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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 01:25 PM Dec 2014

Think North Korea hacked Sony? Think about this

North Korea or not? There’s still a lot we don’t know about the attack on Sony Pictures and those behind it.

After two weeks of investigations, anonymous government officials told some reporters and politicians on Wednesday that North Korea was behind the attacks. But on Thursday, U.S. officials resisted making the same allegations in public and didn’t release any evidence to back up the anonymous claims.

North Korean involvement is certainly possible. After all, defectors have spoken about North Korea’s cyber attack force and training. But it also plays into a popular and easy-to-believe narrative about the country.

There certainly appears to be circumstantial evidence, but it could be just that. So before calling case closed, here are some reasons to be wary, at least until some evidence is made public.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2861492/think-north-korea-hacked-sony-think-about-this.html

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Think North Korea hacked Sony? Think about this (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 OP
IMO it might have been intended as a boost to the cyber-security business. CJCRANE Dec 2014 #1
Any increase in Sony futures trading? Downwinder Dec 2014 #6
I don't think anything. I KNOW they did. Ykcutnek Dec 2014 #2
You know what you read on CNN. nt CJCRANE Dec 2014 #3
How about BBC? They printed the same story. okaawhatever Dec 2014 #5
Just because something is printed by CNN or even all of the news agencies doesn't make it true. CJCRANE Dec 2014 #8
News media, one and all, are business enterprises. bemildred Dec 2014 #18
Why are so many here so quick to defend North Korea? joeglow3 Dec 2014 #9
Looking for the facts is not defending anyone. CJCRANE Dec 2014 #11
So, what are your facts to support it was the cyber security business? joeglow3 Dec 2014 #12
We have no way of knowing what the facts are at this stage. CJCRANE Dec 2014 #14
Yes you did, you also accused people of having bought relevant investments in advance. Your words: Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #20
That doesn't mean the cybersecurity business did it and neither am I restricting your free speech.nt CJCRANE Dec 2014 #21
Hey! Are you a commie or a terrorist sympathizer CJCRANE? 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #16
+1. Who lost? The american people, the iraqui people and their leadership, etc etc NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #22
Keeping an open mind. Downwinder Dec 2014 #17
+100 nt okaawhatever Dec 2014 #4
This is your second post defending NK. Why is it so hard for you to believe that an evil okaawhatever Dec 2014 #7
Defending the truth is more important. CJCRANE Dec 2014 #10
+1 2naSalit Dec 2014 #13
+2. nt bemildred Dec 2014 #15
What specific truth are you then defending? LanternWaste Dec 2014 #24
I'm defending the right to be skeptical. Allowing ourselves to be spoonfed information CJCRANE Dec 2014 #28
PC World is "defending" them? Looks like they are just trying to get the truth. arcane1 Dec 2014 #23
I miss Hannah Bell/HiPointDem pintobean Dec 2014 #19
LOL. FSogol Dec 2014 #25
+100 ... n/t obnoxiousdrunk Dec 2014 #26
Sony can release the movie free, no strings attached. They're going to write off the losses anyway. Sunlei Dec 2014 #27
the President came out today at his press conference and said it was north korea...speculation over. spanone Dec 2014 #29

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
1. IMO it might have been intended as a boost to the cyber-security business.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 01:31 PM
Dec 2014

Those with inside knowledge have probably already invested in the relevant software companies.

 

Ykcutnek

(1,305 posts)
2. I don't think anything. I KNOW they did.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 01:35 PM
Dec 2014
An FBI investigation linked the malware, infrastructure and techniques a group of hackers called "Guardians of Peace" used in the Sony attack to previous North Korean cyberattacks. The North Korean-backed hackers broke into Sony's servers, published private emails and information and threatened to attack movie theaters screening "The Interview," a comedy film about an assassination plot on North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

The official report that North Korea was behind one of the largest and disruptive cyberattacks on a major company confirms what most already suspected throughout the past few weeks, though the larger question -- how will the United States respond -- remained unanswered.

U.S. officials also tell CNN the hackers routed the attack through servers in countries from Asia, Europe and Latin America, even some in the U.S.

The hackers used common DNS masking techniques to make it look like it was coming from those places, but the National Security Agency and FBI were able to track it back to North Korea.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/19/politics/fbi-north-korea-responsible-sony/index.html

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
8. Just because something is printed by CNN or even all of the news agencies doesn't make it true.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 01:44 PM
Dec 2014

I don't have any specific beef against CNN, but they just report what other people say.

We still have to verify the information, not just take it on trust.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
18. News media, one and all, are business enterprises.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 02:01 PM
Dec 2014

They are there to make money, not to ensure you are well-informed, that is your job.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
11. Looking for the facts is not defending anyone.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 01:48 PM
Dec 2014

We've been down this road before with people being accused of being "Saddam lovers" during the Bush era, Gadaffi apologists etc. etc.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
14. We have no way of knowing what the facts are at this stage.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 01:55 PM
Dec 2014

I didn't accuse the cybersecurity business. That's just my hunch on how these things play out.

As we've seen in these kinds of situations, it takes years for the facts to come out.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
20. Yes you did, you also accused people of having bought relevant investments in advance. Your words:
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 02:05 PM
Dec 2014

"IMO it might have been intended as a boost to the cyber-security business.

Those with inside knowledge have probably already invested in the relevant software companies."

So why do you get to foist unsupported theory but those who actually think North Korea is responsible are not allowed their opinion? Why would your 'hunch' about how 'these things' work be any more valid that CNN's or BBC or FBI? Anyone actually practicing the dubious eye for news and opinion you affect would not listen to your unfounded opinions and would in fact questions the reasons for them. Which is what is happening to you, the OP and others who seem to be invested in the innocence of North Korea. Deal with it.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
21. That doesn't mean the cybersecurity business did it and neither am I restricting your free speech.nt
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 02:07 PM
Dec 2014
 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
16. Hey! Are you a commie or a terrorist sympathizer CJCRANE?
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 01:58 PM
Dec 2014

Askin' questions kinda makes ya one.





*sigh* ...its 2002-2003 all over again.

People just want to be part of the winning team I suppose so they shut off their brains, blindly follow whatever the team leader says without question and smear anyone who dare question anything.

I don't know whats going on here but the last there was a major attack on the US a bunch of innocent people go tortured and held without trial, the government started collecting massive amounts of data on their own people and the police got a bunch of mwrap tanks so, yeah I don't blame or fault anyone for asking questions or being suspicious others motives.

 

NewDeal_Dem

(1,049 posts)
22. +1. Who lost? The american people, the iraqui people and their leadership, etc etc
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 02:11 PM
Dec 2014

It's always the people who lose, and sometimes their out of favor leaders.

okaawhatever

(9,457 posts)
7. This is your second post defending NK. Why is it so hard for you to believe that an evil
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 01:43 PM
Dec 2014

dictatorship like NK would launch a cyber attack to stop a movie that shows the killing of their "dear leader"?

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
10. Defending the truth is more important.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 01:47 PM
Dec 2014

For example, those who didn't believe the reports of Iraqi WMD or links to Al Qaeda weren't defending Saddam. They were defending the facts.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
24. What specific truth are you then defending?
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 02:28 PM
Dec 2014

What specific truth in regards to Sony and North Korea are you then defending?

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
28. I'm defending the right to be skeptical. Allowing ourselves to be spoonfed information
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 05:09 PM
Dec 2014

with no independent thought helps nobody. We saw that in the Bush era.

Trust if you want to, but verify.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
23. PC World is "defending" them? Looks like they are just trying to get the truth.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 02:16 PM
Dec 2014

Why is it so hard to wait for actual evidence?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
27. Sony can release the movie free, no strings attached. They're going to write off the losses anyway.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 03:12 PM
Dec 2014

I hate the idea our Gov. creates a 'CYBERWAR' that will cost Americans more billions of our Federal money

spanone

(135,795 posts)
29. the President came out today at his press conference and said it was north korea...speculation over.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 05:10 PM
Dec 2014

i doubt he would pronounce this to the world if he didn't have some substantial proof.

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