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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAmerica didn't cave. Hollywood didn't cave. Capitalism caved.
An organization made a threat to a corporation and its customers if it released a certain product. Distributors of said product decided not to risk carrying that product, as a market decision. The corporation decided to pull the product from shelves--for market reasons.
That's capitalism. Capitalism doesn't care about standing for the principle of free speech, or for patriotism, or for standing up to bullies. It cares about money. Theater chains don't make money if they lose customers too afraid to show up to the movie theaters. Production companies don't make money if not enough theaters show their movie. It's just business.
If conservatives want to see a little more backbone in standing up to international bullies looking to squash free speech, they might want to start by looking in the mirror at their ideological elevation of profit over principle.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2014/12/america-didnt-cave-hollywood-didnt-cave.html
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)people would claim the theaters put "profits over people's safety".
steve2470
(37,457 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)multi-million dollars in sunk costs ... there was far more going on here, than we will ever know.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)All this stuff about clearing the plot with the gov't, the sheer outrageousness of making a comedy of the assassination of a foreign leader--I think there was some spooky black game & not just financial profit behind all this. This is so like the CIA's Twitter & Facebook schemes trying to destabilize shit-listed regimes.
The question now is whether the operation is still going according to plan or if the threat--and Sony's response to it--caught them in a surprise checkmate.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)intended to destabilize them.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Priming some random potential assassin to take action Who knows how these spooks think?
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)And it's fun to make jokes about him.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)IS that
Hell, I dunno; just speculating aloud to see what others think.
cheyanne
(733 posts)I take it that the movie is a comedy? Even then, if the country was England or France, it would never be made. True, North Korea could request that the movie not be shown, or could issue a rebuke to US or request apology from US. But what did the makers think that North Korea would do? Laugh it off?
closeupready
(29,503 posts)They all like to talk tough, but they obviously aren't.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)the lawyers will get rich and the victims' families will get some recompense, all while losing their family members or seeing their family members get horribly injured. Granted, the chances are very low, but still... I can see why the chains cancelled. The chains could have amped up security to 11 but that might have been too expensive and might have turned off some audience members to not going. It sucks, all the way around. If people want to see the film, fine with me. NK is just a rogue state at this point.
BKH70041
(961 posts)No way that is filed under "profit over people."
Unless we can know for sure why they did it, it's all speculation. In that case, my speculation is as good as theirs.
But Hollywood is all about free speech and money. So as long as we're speculating, it could be some Sony execs trying to avoid jail time. If that's the case, then "pull(ing) the product from shelves--for market reasons" goes out the window. They're trying to save their ass.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)They obviously think that eating the cost of this movie is far less damaging to them than having more of their dirty laundry aired.
It has to be some super filthy laundry.
JI7
(89,244 posts)Emails and other things which make some in top positions look bad.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)want to screen a product that came with extra cost or expense to themselves when the profit is all on Sony's side. Theaters have other films screening, films from which parents would keep their kids even if there was no real risk. And how are the theater chains going to make any reasoned assessment of the actual risk? By trusting Sony?
And for all this high blown talk of capitalism, the author of this piece is suggesting that low wage movie theater employees should be required to make some 'stand for free speech' which the author would not be taking, which Sony would not be taking, but some 8 dollar an hour popcorn kid would be taking.
I can see why multiplex chains would not want to screen the thing at Christmas. If anything did happen, it would not be Sony employee harmed. It would be the popcorn kid, who really should not even have to think about some threat or free fucking speech for to make his money.
The author here seems to think that the Big Corp should be able to use smaller companies and their employees as some front line defense of bad choices made by really rich people. I'm not exactly sure how sound that is in terms of being for the workers and all that anti capitalist stuff. 'Those kids should have risked it all for Amy Pascal!!!'
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)egduj
(805 posts)in conducting normal business because of a threat from an outside party.