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Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:20 PM

 

SS Disability

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I am sick at what is occurring

I see patients every day on SS disabilty who have no reason to be on it

Girl with a deviated septum
Man w back pain who works as a firewood cutter
Girl with a seizure disorder- Never been on meds or had a seizure
Young man born premature-no health problems

All on SS disability

And that is just in the last two days

PH

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Pigheaded Dec 2011 OP
PeaceNikki Dec 2011 #1
PeaceNikki Dec 2011 #2
unapatriciated Dec 2011 #27
Survivoreesta Dec 2011 #59
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Matariki Dec 2011 #3
closeupready Dec 2011 #4
mdmc Dec 2011 #5
alfredo Dec 2011 #73
gratuitous Dec 2011 #6
obamanut2012 Dec 2011 #63
WhollyHeretic Dec 2011 #7
Dragonfli Dec 2011 #8
The Genealogist Dec 2011 #9
ejpoeta Dec 2011 #10
Why Syzygy Dec 2011 #11
Little Star Dec 2011 #12
jwirr Dec 2011 #13
one_voice Dec 2011 #14
mysuzuki2 Dec 2011 #15
DonCoquixote Dec 2011 #16
MineralMan Dec 2011 #17
Riley18 Dec 2011 #18
coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #19
PA Democrat Dec 2011 #20
Douglas Carpenter Dec 2011 #21
etherealtruth Dec 2011 #35
thucythucy Dec 2011 #22
Lunacee2012 Dec 2011 #25
Flatulo Dec 2011 #23
Lunacee2012 Dec 2011 #24
thucythucy Dec 2011 #29
Lunacee2012 Dec 2011 #33
Matariki Dec 2011 #26
Capn Sunshine Dec 2011 #28
Zalatix Dec 2011 #53
Ian David Dec 2011 #61
eShirl Dec 2011 #30
otohara Dec 2011 #31
w8liftinglady Dec 2011 #32
etherealtruth Dec 2011 #34
Why Syzygy Dec 2011 #36
freshwest Dec 2011 #52
me b zola Dec 2011 #37
Odin2005 Dec 2011 #38
Vincardog Dec 2011 #39
JoePhilly Dec 2011 #40
sarcasmo Dec 2011 #41
sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #42
A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2011 #43
HappyMe Dec 2011 #44
thucythucy Dec 2011 #45
freshwest Dec 2011 #56
aquart Dec 2011 #46
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GobBluth Dec 2011 #48
PeaceNikki Dec 2011 #49
GobBluth Dec 2011 #51
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TheManInTheMac Dec 2011 #64
cstanleytech Dec 2011 #54
MADem Dec 2011 #55
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jberryhill Dec 2011 #58
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zanana1 Dec 2011 #62
Fuddnik Dec 2011 #65
motely36 Dec 2011 #67
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Romulox Dec 2011 #68
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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:23 PM

1. Oh BS

You aren't privy to their full medical records, are you? Who the hell are you to say such a thing?

Next are you going to tell us about Cadillac driving welfare queens?

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:25 PM

2. Also, what is your point, exactly?

Are you suggesting SSID be abolished because a few people abuse the system? Reformed? Have you ever been through the application process with a loved one?

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 05:38 PM

27. I was about to say the same.

It took two years to qualify my son, in the mean time the medical bills mounted and we had to sell our home to continue care.
btw did I mention we had "cadillac" health insurance.
He is now an adult (33) and he is not getting rich on $865.00 a month. I still cover the cost of a lot of his medical.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 07:53 AM

59. Yes>

 

If Opie wants to see major abuse of the system, he should check out Our Wonderful Bankers!

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 10:20 AM

72. Rejected Condition

You aren't bitter that "pigheaded" was rejected as a qualifying condition, are you?

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:25 PM

3. Are you a doctor, able to make medical diagnosises?

Are you suggesting that these people are receiving disability dishonestly? What do you mean by "sick at what is occurring"? Do you mean where you work or are you trying to use a personal anecdote to suggest that most people on SS disability are cheats?

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:25 PM

4. Unrecced.

nt

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:26 PM

5. I see disabled people daily that look like they can work

 

but looks can be deceiving..

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Response to mdmc (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 10:31 AM

73. I'm 100 percent disabled, but I have no visible symptoms.

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:26 PM

6. Cool story, bro

Do they drive Cadillacs to your "clinic"? Or are they in chauffeured Rolls Royces?

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 08:57 AM

63. They pay with their food stamps card

On their way to the Cadillac dealership.

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:26 PM

7. Where did you see this?

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:27 PM

8. I find that hard to believe as I know people with cancer that have been denied

After contributing to their SS insurance for thirty years.

It is not very easy to receive your benefits even with medical proof. I believe you are merely guessing at the state of the health of those you speak of or you are repeating stuff you "heard" on the Internets and mistakenly took propaganda for testimony.

Do you have any proof?
Also what are your thoughts on SS disability used as intended?

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:32 PM

9. I too am waiting to hear about welfare queens driving in Caddies

I am not sure where you are seeing this. Are you looking at people's files or claims? Are you just seeing people with these issues going into an office? Getting SS disability is exceedingly difficult. They don't just hand it out to everyone who asks for it. Too, people get it for a variety of reasons that are not necessarily visible to the eye. So where are you getting your examples?

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:37 PM

10. I think you judge without knowing.

I would qualify for disability according to my doctor because I have a mental illness. I have never tried to get it because I always felt I could work, but the fact that I can barely get myself out of the house says plenty. Could I work? I don't know.

The thing is, that there are a lot of people who might 'look' like they are just fine. But you have no way of knowing what is going on. My husband has back pain and yet cuts wood and lifts heavy things because he has to.

How about my niece.... She is legally blind and learning disabled. She has had hip surgery and will have another soon. She is 7 years old. My sister has only tried to get her medicaid as the health bills are killing them. But they apparently make too much to qualify. I know that is off topic, but I couldn't help myself.

I had a friend who worked picking cherries. He had so many problems and was denied disability three times. He had to stand on his feet and work all day when he was in pain. Yet he was denied. And for the record, to look at him you probably would have said the same thing.... he did finally get his disability btw.... to you he would not look disabled, but he is.

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:39 PM

11. Those decisions

are made by doctors. I know people who wish they didn't need it but their doctors contradict.

True reform can never happen as long as about 33% of the public, with support of corrupt politicians, spout off misinformation matching your post.

Unless SOME people GET REAL and stop w/ the mind games, no reform will be forthcoming.

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:39 PM

12. Sure you do. Give us a break. Mighty "Right" of you to say! n/t

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:39 PM

13. Did you report them? My guess is that you have no idea how hard it is to get on SS Disability. They

are thoroughly investigated and seen by more than one specialist.

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:42 PM

14. How would you know?...

did they tell you their medical history?

Bet they had cell phones and big screen teevees too.

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:43 PM

15. As I have mentioned several times before, I worked for SS for many years.

I have heard many people say similar things. First of all, I don't think anyone would ever say there is no one on SS disability (about 12 million) who should not be getting it. There are always a few who manage to put one over on us. That being said, it is not easy to get on SS, or to stay on it. Frivolous claims get weeded out pretty fast. The number of fraudulent claims are minimal. A couple of observations though. Many times people do not understand their own problems well. Lots of would apply citing "bad back" or "headaches." Then you see the medical records and you see that yes, their back hurts but the real problem is schizophrenia or hallucinations. I had one young woman apply because she had calluses on her fingers. It turned out that she heard Jesus talking to her on her car radio.. Also, people will somtimes not tell you their real diagnosis for fear of embarassment. It is, in this case as well as in life in general, not to judge or generalize about people until you are sure you have enough information.

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:43 PM

16. Unless you are an MD

You cannot make diagnoses, PERIOD.

Only America is willing to make sure their government serves them poorly for fear that it might help someone they feel undeserving.

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:43 PM

17. Yeah, right. Of course you do.

And then there's the guy with the hangnail, right.

Lazy bums!

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:50 PM

18. Do you also by chance see Russia from your porch? You do not have valid point because you cannot

have access to their medical records. Did you also see that welfare lady with the cadillac??

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:56 PM

19. Thank God (and Skinner) we have the Ignore function back now - n/t

 

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:59 PM

20. Hey, if that's true, we will ALL qualify for SS Disability

because we have been the victims of a HIT AND RUN.

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 05:17 PM

21. people I knew with serious diabilities had to wait a long long time to collect

even when their was absolutely no question that their conditions made them unemployable

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Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #21)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 06:50 PM

35. That appears to be the universal experience

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 05:17 PM

22. I call BS!

First of all, are you talking about SSI (Supplemental Security Income) or SSDI (Social Security Disability Insurance)? These are two entirely different programs, and if you don't understand the difference then you can't possibly know anything about your "patients."

To get on SSDI one has to have been in the workforce and paid into the system for a certain number of quarters. So any "girl" with a "deviated septum" or "girl" with epilepsy couldn't possibly qualify, unless by "girl" you mean woman, in which case you're being sexist.

A girl "with a seizure disorder" whose never had a seizure and is not on meds would never qualify for SSI, period.

"Prematurity" without any other condition would never qualify as a disability under SSI or SSDI, period.

To get on SSI or SSDI you need to get a doctor to sign a sworn statement testifying that the condition is indeed disabling. You have to provide medical records and documentation on the disability. Then you have to go through an SSA approval process. Then you need to be periodically re-certified as continuing to have a disability.

There may be a few instances of abuse, but for every one of those there are hundreds of people who should be on the rolls but get stymied by the bureaucratic hoops you have to jump through to qualify. Among them: if you don't have health insurance, how do you get to see a doctor willing to evaluate you, so you can qualify and thus get health insurance? The system historically has been riddled with such Catch 22s--which always work to keep deserving people out of the system, as opposed to non-disabled people in.

Peddle your BS somewhere else.


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Response to thucythucy (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 05:30 PM

25. I think I may <3 you.

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 05:20 PM

23. Actually there are lots of frivolous claims. They usually get weeded out.

My son works for a law firm that handles SSDI claims. People call in with absolutely no medical history, compaining of being 'forgetful' or 'getting easily confused'. Without medical diagnosis and documentation to back it up, the firm will not touch such cases, as they will surely lose.

Almost all claimants use an attorney these days, and the rule (at least here in Massachusetts) is that the firm only gets paid if the case is approved. So, logically, they will not touch cases that have little or no chance of approval.

It may have been different back in the day, but today it is very difficult to get approved for SSDI.

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 05:23 PM

24. I'm a type 1 diabetic, I'm also about 70%

blind (thank God for Crtl +.....++++), I have nerve damage and a completely unrelated heart issue. On top of that I got cancer 2 years ago, but it's gone now.

Unless you where around me 24/7 you might not ever notice anything was wrong with me. I guess what I'm trying to say is just because you can't see a disease or injury, doesn't mean it's not there.

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Response to Lunacee2012 (Reply #24)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 05:42 PM

29. Best of luck to you, Luna.

Diabetes, type I or II, is such a burden to bear. And to add cancer and heart problems on top of that... well, my heart goes out to you.

Best wishes and happy holidays to you and yours.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #29)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 06:34 PM

33. Happy Holidays to you, too!

I use to post under a similar name and made a thread about my health issues, maybe I should post an update and let others use that to argue for universal health care. It would make one hell of a convincing point.

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 05:32 PM

26. Is this a 'hit and run' OP

that failed miserably? I'd love to hear what 'pigheaded' was intending by their post.

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 05:39 PM

28. but you're not sick of Welfare queens in Cadillacs?

Oh yeah. That Right Wing meme is worn out.

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Response to Capn Sunshine (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 12:53 AM

53. Because the real welfare queens in Cadillacs are bankers.

 

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Response to Zalatix (Reply #53)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 08:08 AM

61. Bankster welfare queens have chauffeur-driven Bentleys. n/t

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 05:58 PM

30. I'm guessing even YOU know how full of shit you are.

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 06:22 PM

31. It's Not Easy to Get SSDI

and FYI... being born prematurely can mean more often than not, a lifetime of health issues.

How do you know so much about these people and their health?

As a disabled person, I can tell you I spent a whole lot of time, money trying to hide my disability. Especially from employers who discriminate against the disabled.

You're horns are showing!


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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 06:30 PM

32. You are so misinformed it isn't funny.

It took me 8 months to qualify for SSDI...for seizures,yes...that removed my ability to work and drive.I had brain surgery,a dvt and a pulmonary embolus.I have been getting blood and iron IV since them.I am one of the healthier SSDI folks I know....and,yes,I am also a long-time registered nurse.Let's talk about disabilities on a professional level.Thanks for your patient empathy.It's wonderful to know you are in the caring field.

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 06:40 PM

34. Wow .... this flies in the face of reality for most Americans

How does one encounter these people ....? I have difficulty believing this ...unless someone is a disability fraud investigator

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 07:27 PM

36. And don't forget!

Due to opinions such as yours, there is a tremendous STIGMA connected to anyone on SSDI.
Those who express such stigmatizing opinions are ghouls. They eat human flesh. Pass the mustard.

Don't worry. They will soon learn not to tell you the truth about their life.

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Response to Why Syzygy (Reply #36)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 12:50 AM

52. +1,000

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 07:41 PM

37. The funny things about conservatives

Is that they spew this crap all the time, but aim it at strangers whom they no nothing about let alone their circumstances. Yet inevitably these conservatives have family members who are exactly what they are griping about, but don't see them as a problem.


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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 07:51 PM

38. The jury voted to keep this hateful screed?

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 07:55 PM

39. Pigheaded you are

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 07:56 PM

40. How many were Republicans???

On edit ... enjoy your stay.

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 07:56 PM

41. Rush, is that you?

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 07:58 PM

42. Really? And I've seen the opposite It is extremely difficult to get SS disability and most people

even those who actually need it, like war veterans eg, are turned down automatically it seems and have to keep applying, sometimes for years, before they finally get it.

Where is this place where people who are not disabled are getting all this money so easily? I know a war vet who would like to know.

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 08:01 PM

43. Here...

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 08:21 PM

44. If being full of

crap is a disability, you probably qualify.

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 11:07 PM

45. I was upset when I first read

this OP, but seeing all my fellow DUers smack some sense into Herr Schweinkopf has put a smile on my face.

Happy holidays and best wishes to you all!

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #45)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 01:55 AM

56. Yes, and same to you!

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 11:33 PM

46. What a plate of pasture pastry.

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Response to aquart (Reply #46)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 12:28 AM

47. So prettily put!

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 12:38 AM

48. As a late deafened person, don't be so quick to judge

I deal with it constantly. I do not get any type of government aid, as I have been VERY FORTUNATE to marry comfortably and have connections with people who find me jobs when needed.

I know it is hard not to judge things you may deem "not handicapped enough", but you most likely will be wrong. Dealing with misconceptions is, quite honestly, the hardest part of losing my hearing. Maybe you think they can work, most likely than can, the problem is finding people willing to hire them based on the EMPLOYERS ridiculous assumptions.

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Response to GobBluth (Reply #48)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 12:40 AM

49. COME ON!!

Gob Bluth!?! Welcome to DU, Gob!

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #49)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 12:46 AM

51. Best Protest Sign Ever

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 12:43 AM

50. And I am a bisexual 24 year old gymnast who is on the internet looking for an overweight 52 year

old who chews tobacco and has gas problems to join me and my roommate Tiffany for a

pillow fight tonight.

Afterwards we can roast marshmellows in the fire place and make smores.

When the clock strikes 10 we can play 'truth or dare".

Ain't the internet grand?

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Response to grantcart (Reply #50)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 09:00 AM

64. Well, hi there. ;-)

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 12:58 AM

54. Might be time for a job change

(if thats where this happened) since it seems to be causing you distress.

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 01:47 AM

55. Notice something special about this thread?

It's customary to keep an eye on a topic you start, and join in with those who reply to your OP, engaging in a little back-n-forth.

The thread starter is nowhere to be found!

Isn't that different?

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 01:57 AM

57. Make shit up much?

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 02:17 AM

58. My daughter is blind


She is intellectually disabled and employed full time at a low wage job.

Do you think the cost of living is higher or lower for her?

Because she works, she doesn't get much from SSI, but her position is not the most secure one on the planet either.

There are a lot of things I'm sick of seeing, but SSI doesn't even make the list.

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 07:58 AM

60. So report them. DU can't do anything about it.

(We need that unrec. feature back.)

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 08:47 AM

62. I am on SS disability.

I have been since the age of 39. I didn't want it; I wanted to go on working. I liked my job and the people I worked with. But when you have a heart attack at 38 and have six clogged arteries that require open heart surgery, you recover and try to go back to work. When, a year later, you're diagnosed with Muscular Dystrophy, it's impossible to hide your condition any longer. Believe me, alot of people try to hide their medical conditions. When I go out, I wear my braces and a cane, but I try to walk straight and tall. I exaggerate my normal gait so I won't look feeble. It wears me out. As for my heart, I do everything my doctor tells me to do, but after three hours of normal activity, I can't do any more. Some people just think I'm a "homebody", and I'd rather that they think that than know the truth. It's just pride, I know. But disabled people have pride, too.

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 09:17 AM

65. Pigheaded hit and run artist.

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Response to Fuddnik (Reply #65)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 09:31 AM

67. my thoughts exactly!

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 09:18 AM

66. Woo Hoo , a thousand bucks a month to live on

Please go be sick in private. Hey maybe they'll let you have it too.

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 09:33 AM

68. "Too much safety net" is not this country's problem. Jesus. nt

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 09:33 AM

69. LOL TROLL

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 09:36 AM

70. You guys act like fraud doesn't exist

I'll grant you the OP was trolling, and does not have the full information to declare those people fit, but the responses go way too far in the other direction.

If we want to preserve entitlements, we need to assure they are not abused.

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Response to Courtesy Flush (Reply #70)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 10:15 AM

71. And he acts like fraud is the rule.


You said he was a troll, basically full of shit, so, how can you then agree with him? If you want preserve entitlements, you also don't load them down in red tape out of the extreme fear that everybody is stealing from them. Our troll wants to spread that fear. He deserves "way too far in the other direction," and after you smack-down the delusion, then you can get a separate thread on how common abuse really is.

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 10:54 AM

74. Wow, one rec....

I guess in DU3 you can self rec.

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Response to Pigheaded (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 10:54 AM

75. This person is a troll. (nt)

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