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Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:23 PM

I am sorry for the loss of your son

"i did not know how old he was: i thought he was closer to my age, and i didn't know if he was armed."

The headline reads: Zimmerman apologizes to the family.

does this sound like an "apology" to you? in typical sociopathic fashion, he takes no responsibility for killing Trayvon Martin.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/ scroll down the page a bit.

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Reply I am sorry for the loss of your son (Original post)
noiretextatique Apr 2012 OP
MADem Apr 2012 #1
noiretextatique Apr 2012 #2
MADem Apr 2012 #5
noiretextatique Apr 2012 #9
Control-Z Apr 2012 #16
noiretextatique Apr 2012 #18
Aerows Apr 2012 #29
MADem Apr 2012 #36
RZM Apr 2012 #39
noiretextatique Apr 2012 #40
RZM Apr 2012 #42
noiretextatique Apr 2012 #44
npk Apr 2012 #58
southernyankeebelle Apr 2012 #4
noiretextatique Apr 2012 #13
MADem Apr 2012 #20
southernyankeebelle Apr 2012 #47
jmowreader Apr 2012 #59
Number23 Apr 2012 #56
WingDinger Apr 2012 #3
noiretextatique Apr 2012 #41
Number23 Apr 2012 #57
Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #6
noiretextatique Apr 2012 #26
Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #43
warrior1 Apr 2012 #7
noiretextatique Apr 2012 #17
blm Apr 2012 #8
noiretextatique Apr 2012 #10
polly7 Apr 2012 #15
Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2012 #11
noiretextatique Apr 2012 #14
Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2012 #27
laundry_queen Apr 2012 #28
Control-Z Apr 2012 #12
MADem Apr 2012 #22
CreekDog Apr 2012 #33
MADem Apr 2012 #35
Control-Z Apr 2012 #52
MADem Apr 2012 #53
Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #19
noiretextatique Apr 2012 #21
MADem Apr 2012 #23
Skittles Apr 2012 #24
noiretextatique Apr 2012 #25
ananda Apr 2012 #34
noiretextatique Apr 2012 #37
WI_DEM Apr 2012 #30
CreekDog Apr 2012 #31
KG Apr 2012 #32
noiretextatique Apr 2012 #38
HangOnKids Apr 2012 #46
fascisthunter Apr 2012 #50
jwirr Apr 2012 #45
LadyHawkAZ Apr 2012 #48
Zax2me Apr 2012 #49
JI7 Apr 2012 #51
shimonitanegi Apr 2012 #54
Number23 Apr 2012 #55
noiretextatique Apr 2012 #66
Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #60
soccer1 Apr 2012 #61
noiretextatique Apr 2012 #62
soccer1 Apr 2012 #63
noiretextatique Apr 2012 #65
MelungeonWoman Apr 2012 #64

Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:24 PM

1. "I am sorry I murdered your son" is closer to the mark. He didn't lose the kid. nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:25 PM

2. no remorse whatsoever

he's only sorry he got arrested.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:29 PM

5. They had him all sharp-dressed and cleaned up for court, didn't they?

And he got his "Get out of jail for a bail bondsman's lien on your parent's house" card.

Wonder if he had a nice little "concealed carry" pocket inside that pricey suit he had on?

He makes my blood curdle, to be blunt.

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Response to MADem (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:32 PM

9. yep...got him all dressed up

but he clearly has ZERO remorse for his actions. in typical racist fashion, he actually tries to blame Trayvon for appearing older than he was. and since he was black, i guess that means he was probably armed, in his racist mind.
i know...he makes my blood boil too 150k bail is outrageous.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:38 PM

16. But the Shackles

looked good.

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #16)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:39 PM

18. loving the shackles

i wish he had been remanded though. he should not be free on bail. perhaps he is not a danger to himself, but he is clearly a danger to others.

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Response to MADem (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 02:07 PM

29. He doesn't care

He got cleaned up for court, is getting away with murder, and his consequence is that the public noticed. Poor, poor Zimmerman. His poor life is forever altered, meanwhile someone else is in the grave, but it's all about poor Zimmerman.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #29)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 02:54 PM

36. I hope he doesn't get away with it.

I do think his lawyer is trying to plead this down to manslaughter, though. Murder 2 can still be a life sentence.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 03:12 PM

39. Few people facing murder two

 

Would say 'I'm sorry I murdered your son' at a bail hearing. No doubt his lawyer instructed him to say what he did. Acknowledge that Trayvon's death is sad and give a nod to the family, but don't use any language that points to you as responsible. And certainly don't use the word 'murder.'

This is pretty much par for the course.

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Response to RZM (Reply #39)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 03:23 PM

40. i understand

still he does not have an ounce of remorse.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #40)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 03:29 PM

42. I think it's a tricky balancing act

 

You have to appear at least somewhat concerned because you don't want to come off as cold and uncaring. But too much remorse might make you look guilty.

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Response to RZM (Reply #42)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 03:50 PM

44. it did not work very well for him

he came off and cold and uncaring.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #44)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 01:18 AM

58. I agree he came off uncaring. But his weak ass apology served it's purpose

Which was to get him bail. He now will get the privilege of being with his family until this case is disposed of at trial, which is a hell of a lot more than most people in his shoes would get. No black man would be so lucky.

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Response to MADem (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:27 PM

4. I don't think right now anything Zimmerman could say will make the Martins forgive him. Only

 

time changes hearts. They look like people who will forgive because they know life goes on and if they allow this to eat at them then they can't move forward in life. I am sure at some time the Martins will meet with him. Out of the public eye.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:36 PM

13. i doubt that...not until he takes responsibility for what he did

it's hard to forgive someone who does not acknowledge what he did.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:44 PM

20. I have to agree with you--the "loss" word was just too distancing, IMO.

Like he misplaced their hedge clippers, or something. And the "If he didn't look older than his age, he wouldn't have been killed by me" excuse stunk up the room, too.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 05:28 PM

47. Thats true. But deep down he knows what he did.

 

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 03:36 AM

59. In the setting where he was, he really couldn't have taken responsibility for it

If he would have went in there and said, "Mr. and Mrs. Martin, I'm sorry I killed your son," he would have instantly convicted himself.

You do not, under any circumstance, go into court and say you killed the person you're charged with killing.

He can apologize for murdering Mrs. Martin's son after he's convicted. (Which, assuming they get an impartial jury, is probably going to happen.)

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Response to MADem (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 01:11 AM

56. EXACTLY.

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:26 PM

3. All really good reasons why not to stalk.

 

could have said, sorry your son is a thug.

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Response to WingDinger (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 03:26 PM

41. i am a black person who lives in a predominantly black neighborhood

i see zimmerman walking down the street, and he doesn't look "right." so i call the cops, and they tell me not to pursue the person. i do so anyway. "something" happens and i pull out my gun and shoot zimmerman dead. my black ass would have been under the jail that very night, and likely charged with 1st degree murder.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #41)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 01:12 AM

57. "my black ass would have been under the jail that very night"

YOU KNOW IT.

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:31 PM

6. It's exactly that - in sociopathic fashion. nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:56 PM

26. something is seriously wrong with this guy

and he belongs behind bars.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #26)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 03:30 PM

43. Oh, no doubt. He's not well. He has 2 arms, 2 legs and a head, but he's a nutjob. nt

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:31 PM

7. then

plead guilty to the crime.

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Response to warrior1 (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:38 PM

17. +1000

if you are sorry, then admit what you did, and pay the price.

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:32 PM

8. If Trayvon HAD a gun he'd have drawn it when he first noticed you stalking him.

So, your concern that you 'didn't know if he was armed' so you shot him before you made that determination is complete............BULLSHIT. Sociopathic bullshit.

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Response to blm (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:33 PM

10. +1 he is revealing his racism

which is also a pathology.

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Response to blm (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:37 PM

15. Yep. nt.

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:35 PM

11. No.

It does not, though I think his attorney may have given him a very tight rein on what he could say -- Zimmerman cannot publicly admit to any type of liability now that he is on trial. As noted, Zimmerman did flat out tell a whopper when talking about how old he thought Trayvon was.

This is going to be an ugly case.

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Response to Hell Hath No Fury (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:37 PM

14. probably...but listen to him

the man doesn't have an ounce of remorse.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 02:01 PM

27. I agree about the remorse.

He's more worried about his own ass and how this has fucked up his life.

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Response to Hell Hath No Fury (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 02:03 PM

28. How hard is it to word something so it sounds sincere?

Not very. He could've said something like, "I'm very sorry for the circumstances surrounding your son's death. If I could turn back the clock and change anything that would make your pain stop, I would. Your son's loss should never have happened." There, he's not admitting anything that he hasn't already admitted, and he sounds sincere.

His faux-pology translates to me (from sociopath-speak to normal-person speak) as "I'm sorry I got caught. And because I'm sorry that I'm now in jail, I'm going to apologize because yesterday you said you wouldn't meet with me unless I apologized, so now I'm apologizing so I look better to the judge. It wasn't really my fault you know, your son did look older than he was, even if I said differently before, I'm saying it this way now so I don't look like such a monster for killing a child. And besides, you can't really blame me for thinking a black guy was packing, c'mon! Aren't they all? So see, I'm not really responsible, and I'm just apologizing because my lawyer said it would make me look like I had a heart."

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:35 PM

12. The old non-apology apology.

I'm sorry if the death of your son has caused you or anyone else pain.

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:47 PM

22. Not "death"--"loss"--kind of like "Ooops, I lost that book you loaned me."

He can't even come to grips with the fact that he killed a kid.

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Response to MADem (Reply #22)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 02:15 PM

33. nope, it's worse, kind of like, "Ooops, that book you loaned me was lost somehow".

see?

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #33)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 02:33 PM

35. Certainly--he is working very hard to diminish his role in the murder of the teen. nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #22)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 08:10 PM

52. Is he afraid he might

smile if he said it?

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #52)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 10:29 PM

53. He seemed very glib when he made the statement, that's for sure. nt

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:43 PM

19. No

 

It's a defense, and a lie. He told 911, Trayvon was in his late teens.

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Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #19)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:45 PM

21. good point

yet another lie.

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Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #19)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:48 PM

23. WOW--that's incredible that he would LIE UNDER OATH with a tape to contradict him.

What sleaze!

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:49 PM

24. that is not an apology

that is the wistful regret of a paranoid gun nut

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Response to Skittles (Reply #24)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:55 PM

25. his only regret is that it is 2012

not 1952. he would have gotten away with it then.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #25)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 02:27 PM

34. Then?

He's getting away with it now.

He's out on bond now, and the case against him looks completely mishandled... on purpose probably.

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Response to ananda (Reply #34)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 03:08 PM

37. correction noted

when you are right, you are right

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 02:08 PM

30. well, maybe you shouldn't have stalked him?

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 02:14 PM

31. classic non-apology apology

not impressed.

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 02:15 PM

32. piss on george zimmerman

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Response to KG (Reply #32)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 03:10 PM

38. triple piss on his apologists

if you can rationalize the murder of an unarmed teenager, you have some deep fng problems.

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Response to KG (Reply #32)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 04:22 PM

46. Absolutely!

 

Add some shit in there too.

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Response to KG (Reply #32)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 07:24 PM

50. so unfair to the psychopath!

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 04:10 PM

45. Not an apology - excuses.

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 05:47 PM

48. "I'm sorry I got caught"

"I'm sorry you didn't buy my story. I'm sorry I'm in jail. I did not know I couldn't get away with this. I didn't realize people would care about the (black) kid I killed."

Not buying it.

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 05:51 PM

49. He should have said ' I should have went home"

 

After I made call, I should have went home.
But he didn't.
Because that would have blown his case.
Would have been more truthful than what he said, though.

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 07:48 PM

51. fucking scumbag murderous piece of shit

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 11:37 PM

54. This apology is a flat out lie, means he isn't sorry.

He says "i did not know how old he was: i thought he was closer to my age,"
But he clearly stated on his 911 call that Martin was a late teen.

911 dispatcher:

How old would you say he is?

Zimmerman:

Hes got something on his shirt. About like his late teens.

911 dispatcher:

Late teens?

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 01:10 AM

55. "does this sound like an "apology" to you?" HELLL NO

That's what you say when someone's kid is killed in a car accident. Or by somebody else.

When YOU are the reason that someone is not able to hold their child in their arms anymore, "I'm sorry for your loss" is cowardly cop-out punk speak.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #55)

Sun Apr 22, 2012, 12:28 PM

66. it most certainly is

what i don't get about this guy is this: why not say it was an accident? that would be far more plausible than the story he is obviously making up. i think he knows he can rely on racism to push his ridiculous version of events, and to absolve himself of responsibility.

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 03:46 AM

60. What this "apology" reminded me of:

I saw a shocking documentary about the Catholic sexual abuse scandal. The kicker was one priest who was so evil, no other word, that he used the documentary filmers to try and gain access to his victims one more time, for an "apology." As I recall, without exception they turned him down.

That's what Zimmerman's attempt to apologize to Trayvon's family felt like to me. It was not at all out of concern for the family. It was an attempt to save his own miserable self. To do it in court when the family had declined his offer was the height of insensitivity. And to actually lie, flat out lie about the circumstances of the shooting while doing so?

If I never hear of Zimmerman speaking again, it will be too soon.

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 09:09 AM

61. "I did not know how old we was."

So, if George Zimmerman had known that Trayvon Martin was 17, he would not have shot and killed him? If he had known Trayvon was not armed, he would not have shot and killed him? Trayvon did not show any weapon. Zimmerman says that he was in mortal danger because Trayvon was bashing his head into a sidewalk. If he had known Trayvon was 17, he would not have feared for his life? Makes no sense. No sense at all. If you are in mortal danger, it would not matter how old the person is.

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Response to soccer1 (Reply #61)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 02:30 PM

62. it makes no sense because he is lying

he told the dispatcher Martin was in his late teens.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #62)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 06:03 PM

63. Yes, I believe he is continuing his lies.

Guess Zimmerman forgot that small detail about what he said to the 911 dispatcher. Very convenient. The point I'm trying to make is that if Zimmerman truly, absolutely believed his life was in danger, what difference would it make how old the person was? Hope the prosecution can use his statement during the trial.

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Response to soccer1 (Reply #63)

Sun Apr 22, 2012, 12:25 PM

65. he's playing to racists

who believe black men are inherently dangerous and threatening. that's why he brought up his age. and that's why all the rw trolls are whining about the media showing pictures of Trayvon when he was younger. it's all very transparent.

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 06:25 PM

64. It was more like an apallogy.

I was apalled when I heard it. He expressed no remorse whatsoever.

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