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Thu Apr 19, 2012, 01:58 PM

''We never meant to conceal the information, but it never occurred to us to make it public.''

An example of just how lowly the world's corporate elite consider the 99-percent...



NUCLEAR CRISIS: HOW IT HAPPENED

Government radiation data disclosure--too little, too late

The Yomiuri Shimbun
June 11, 2011

EXCERPT...

At 8:39 a.m. on March 12, about 18 hours after the earthquake, radioactive tellurium-132 was detected in Namiemachi, Fukushima Prefecture, six kilometers from Tokyo Electric Power Co.'s damaged plant, according to the report from the agency.

The detection of Te-132 meant the temperature of nuclear fuel at the plant had shot up to more than 1,000 C. It also meant nuclear fuel pellets in the reactor cores had been damaged and nuclear material had leaked into the environment.

Seven hours later, a massive hydrogen explosion rocked the plant's No. 1 reactor.

Attempting to explain the delay in making the information public, agency spokesman Hidehiko Nishiyama said later, "We never meant to conceal the information, but it never occurred to us to make it public."

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Reply ''We never meant to conceal the information, but it never occurred to us to make it public.'' (Original post)
Octafish Apr 2012 OP
dixiegrrrrl Apr 2012 #1
Octafish Apr 2012 #3
dixiegrrrrl Apr 2012 #5
Octafish Apr 2012 #6
mick063 Apr 2012 #7
Octafish Apr 2012 #8
mick063 Apr 2012 #9
Octafish Apr 2012 #11
gratuitous Apr 2012 #2
Octafish Apr 2012 #4
fascisthunter Apr 2012 #10
Octafish Apr 2012 #12
fascisthunter Apr 2012 #13
SammyWinstonJack Apr 2012 #14
fascisthunter Apr 2012 #16
99Forever Apr 2012 #15
RobertEarl Apr 2012 #17
Quantess Apr 2012 #18
RobertEarl May 2012 #19
Mnemosyne Feb 2013 #20

Response to Octafish (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 03:19 PM

1. oh...well...in that case.....

I can understand overlooking the fact the entire planet might want to know about damaged nuclear plants spewing radiation all over the place.
Just an oversight....got it.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 04:03 PM

3. A Public Service Announcement Regarding PLUTONIUM



What everyone should know:



DOE-STD-1128-98

Guide of Good Practices for Occupational Radiological Protection in Plutonium Facilities


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4.2.3 Characteristics of Plutonium Contamination

There are few characteristics of plutonium contamination that are unique. Plutonium
contamination may be in many physical and chemical forms. (See Section 2.0 for the many
potential sources of plutonium contamination from combustion products of a plutonium fire
to radiolytic products from long-term storage.) The one characteristic that many believe is
unique to plutonium is its ability to migrate with no apparent motive force. Whether from
alpha recoil or some other mechanism, plutonium contamination, if not contained or
removed, will spread relatively rapidly throughout an area.


SOURCE (PDF file format): http://www.hss.doe.gov/nuclearsafety/techstds/docs/standard/DOE-STD-1128-2008.pdf



Some science news that seems to have been missed, with Mayor Bloomberg loving on Lady Gaga and everything...



J Environ Radioact. 2011 Dec 27. (Epub ahead of print)

Radionuclides from the Fukushima accident in the air over Lithuania: measurement and modelling approaches.


Lujanienė G, Byčenkienė S, Povinec PP, Gera M.

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Environmental Research Department, SRI Center for Physical Sciences and Technology, Savanoriu 231, 02300 Vilnius, Lithuania.
Abstract

Analyses of (131)I, (137)Cs and (134)Cs in airborne aerosols were carried out in daily samples in Vilnius, Lithuania after the Fukushima accident during the period of March-April, 2011. The activity concentrations of (131)I and (137)Cs ranged from 12 μBq/m(3) and 1.4 μBq/m(3) to 3700 μBq/m(3) and 1040 μBq/m(3), respectively. The activity concentration of (239,240)Pu in one aerosol sample collected from 23 March to 15 April, 2011 was found to be 44.5 nBq/m(3). The two maxima found in radionuclide concentrations were related to complicated long-range air mass transport from Japan across the Pacific, the North America and the Atlantic Ocean to Central Europe as indicated by modelling. HYSPLIT backward trajectories and meteorological data were applied for interpretation of activity variations of measured radionuclides observed at the site of investigation. (7)Be and (212)Pb activity concentrations and their ratios were used as tracers of vertical transport of air masses. Fukushima data were compared with the data obtained during the Chernobyl accident and in the post Chernobyl period. The activity concentrations of (131)I and (137)Cs were found to be by 4 orders of magnitude lower as compared to the Chernobyl accident. The activity ratio of (134)Cs/(137)Cs was around 1 with small variations only. The activity ratio of (238)Pu/(239,240)Pu in the aerosol sample was 1.2, indicating a presence of the spent fuel of different origin than that of the Chernobyl accident.

SOURCE: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22206700




And what a little bird told no one in particular...



Plutonium bioaccumulation in seabirds

Dagmara I. Strumińska-Parulska, Bogdan Skwarzec, Jacek Fabisiak

University of Gdańsk, Faculty of Chemistry, Analytics and Environmental Radiochemistry Chair, Sobieskiego 18, 80-952 Gdańsk, Poland

Received 7 April 2011. Revised 5 July 2011. Accepted 16 July 2011. Available online 23 August 2011.

The aim of the paper was plutonium (238Pu and 239+240Pu) determination in seabirds, permanently or temporarily living in northern Poland at the Baltic Sea coast. Together 11 marine birds species were examined: 3 species permanently residing in the southern Baltic, 4 species of wintering birds and 3 species of migrating birds. The obtained results indicated plutonium is non-uniformly distributed in organs and tissues of analyzed seabirds. The highest plutonium content was found in the digestion organs and feathers, the smallest in skin and muscles. The plutonium concentration was lower in analyzed species which feed on fish and much higher in herbivorous species. The main source of plutonium in analyzed marine birds was global atmospheric fallout.
Highlights

► We determined 239+240Pu in seabirds living in northern Poland at the Baltic Sea. ► We noticed plutonium was non-uniformly distributed in organs and tissues of seabirds. ► We found the highest plutonium content in the digestion organs and feathers. ► We found Pu content was lower in birds feeding on fish and higher in herbivorous.

SOURCE: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0265931X11001676



Gee. The plutonium must be from Chernobyl, seeing how Lithuania's clear on the other side of the world from Fukushima. Right?

Invisible things don't just "move." Right? Ask any global warming denier or GOP candidate.

Anyone remember reading about any of this in their local newspaper?

How about the tee vee? Anyone? Anyone?

Thank you, dixiegrrrrl, for caring about this.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 04:12 PM

5. Thank YOU for the information, sad as it is.

Mr. Dixie and I have family on the West Coast, as well as numerous friends.

Every day I wonder what else we are not being told about the radiation issues.

Fortunately, I have long ago given up on expecting governments to tell us "small people" the truth,
so, like many of us, I depend on what we can dig up on the internets.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 04:56 PM

6. The news blackout was a tip-off.

The thing was on the tee vee, then -- POOF! All done. All OK. All happy now.

Yet, it's not. The Fukushima disaster continues. It's major and it's global. Still, my kids' friends and my friends look at me like I was from another planet when I bring it up.

Fukushima Radiation Data Quarantined by Governments of Japan and the United States. Why?

The brainwashing of this nation is something serious.




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Response to Octafish (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 05:47 PM

7. I don't know ths specs of Fukishima

 

But it is extremely unlikely there is plutonium involved. More than likely enriched uranium.

The radiological concerns have likely more to do with beta/gamma radiation and related external dose as a health hazard as opposed to the fears of inhalation of alpha particles typically associated with plutonium exposure. Not saying airborne particulates are not a problem, but dose within the general area is the issue here.

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Response to mick063 (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 06:08 PM

8. Parts of the spent fuel rods stored over Reactor 3 went flying through the roof on 14 March 2011.

Reactor No. 3 used MOX - the Mixed Oxide fuel, 94-percent uranium and 6-percent plutonium.



For some cost-cutting reason, the spent fuel rods were stored in the same building, directly above the reactor.

TEPCO said it was a "hydrogen explosion." Nuclear engineer Arnie Gundersen thinks it may've been something else.

I'm with Dr. Gundersen on this one.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 06:44 PM

9. Well then.......

 

If what you say is true, they have a bigger problem than what I imagined.

Those cheap "rubber band strap" dust masks I see them wearing on news broadcasts are nothing more than a false sesnse of security. The cleanup will be very expensive.

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Response to mick063 (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 08:07 PM

11. Please, check my sources to confirm whether what I ''say is true.''

Reactor Number 3 stored the MOX fuel inside the containment building.



Regarding the dust masks, it is truly sad what the people of Japan are facing. Something from March 25, 2011 on the subject of TEPCO's treatment of its brave workers:

First thing I'd do if I were fighting this nuclear disaster is get the Team the best gear.

More from June 1, 2011:

Atomic Samurai -- IAEA Humbled By Worker Courage at Fukushima Daiichi

FWIW: I have friends who live on Honshu and other friends who once worked there but are now in the USA. Were I President, I'd extend an open invitation to all the Japanese people who would like to emigrate to the United States -- even the poor and old.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 03:36 PM

2. This is just alarmist alarmism

Won't someone PLEASE bring some reason and truthiness to this thread??? What's the source on the story? Maybe Hidehiko Nishiyama said a naughty word when he was a kid, so what he says now can be totally discredited? Hey, a difference of 1,000C isn't all that much in some places in our solar system. Like the sun's surface. So this sort of thing occurs naturally all the time!

Whew. All better now.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 04:11 PM

4. Ain't that the Truther?

As you know, my Friend: People who go to, ah, such lengths to ridicule the message only served to increase the damage done.

Remember this shining light:



Interesting how the same techniques of ridicule used against those following the Fukushima disaster have also been employed against people interested in learning about the September 11 attacks and the assassination of President Kennedy.


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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 06:45 PM

10. sick!

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Response to fascisthunter (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 08:12 PM

12. Want to know something else that's sick?

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Response to Octafish (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 08:39 PM

13. Octafish....

...you know why. The very ones making these decisions are sociopaths or weak minded fools who think their small fortune is worth all this destruction... talk about delusional. One day, I hope, the sociopaths are prevented from power, but I see them as a natural occurrence and am not sure what the answer is besides fighting back against their sickness.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 08:52 PM

14. TEPCO did nothing...just like BP did nothing hoping for the best. That turned out... well....we all

know how that turned out and the devastation that is still happening.

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #14)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 09:32 PM

16. It's why we HAVE TO regulate

it's been proven not to work as is...

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 09:02 PM

15. Well it's good to know that..

... should we not be killed by the lack of basic decent medical availability or exposure from being homeless, that the 1% have a radioactive back up plan, just in case.

All hail unfettered capitalistic greed. Profits over people, ALWAYS!


( I wish I could say I was just being sarcastic.)

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 11:00 PM

17. Hey, it's been fun

So glad I am an old man.... sorry kids. Maybe next time?

Anywho.... i have been a bird watcher for 30 years. Used to be, up until the mid 90's, everywhere you looked there was a bird of some kind. Saw hundreds a day. Began puzzling about why birds are now so rare.

Then, after Fukushima, started reading about research from around Chernobyl finding mutations in the birds there. And how a researcher in California found proof of nuke waste killing the birds there.

All that from after Chernobyl in 1986. Bye-bye birdies. The canary in the coal mine scenario. Pandora's box has been opened and it ain't closing.

Hey, it's been fun. Sorry kids.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 08:27 AM

18. Interesting.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Tue May 1, 2012, 09:59 PM

19. Kicking n/t

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 09:59 AM

20. Needs a

:kick:

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