Hagan won the exit polls. How did she lose the race?

[FourScore]

Exit polls used to be a very precise method to ensure that elections weren't stolen. Not anymore. That stopped when electronic voting was implemented.

This race was stolen.

[shenmue]

1. Diebold

[Recursion]

12. Diebold hasn't owned any voting machines in 6 years (nt)

[marions ghost]

14. same trash

whether you want to call it Diebold or not.

[maced666]

23. Oh, that's proof.

Not.

[marions ghost]

25. what's your point?

[Dont call me Shirley]

2. Flippity-Floppity diebold machines

[GoCubsGo]

4. Yep.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025748740

[dflprincess]

3. And exit polls are considered so accurate that the U.S. has

accused other countries of election fraud when the outcomes don't match the polls.

Strange how they haven't worked here since 2000.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

5. Note to Dems - don't get too close to let them get away with cheating. nt

[marions ghost]

17. A tired adage

--you can only do so much to try to overwhelm with numbers.

Think about it--why should we have to? Why should we COUNT on having to overcome election manipulation and suppression?

[libtodeath]

6. Same with Georgia

was neck and neck but suddenly a repuke blowout.
Bullshit.

[KatyB2U]

22. All the machines in GA are touch screen

See here:

https://www.verifiedvoting.org/verifier2014/#state/13

[cilla4progress]

7. Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

I came to DU in 2004 when Kerry won the exit polls and lost the election.

Would you put it past them? I wouldn't.

[southerncrone]

8. And how many more were using the same tactic?

This is a little too over the top in the RED category all across the country. As I stated on another thread, the country has steadily become more & more RED since the advent of these riggable devices. Up until just a few wks ago, we kept hearing how the Repuke party was on life support & on the way out! These results tonite just don't jibe w/that. Is there any other explanation that justifies these incongruent results?

[roamer65]

9. Because of electoral fraud.

That one was stolen.

[brooklynite]

10. UNREC

The only thing worse than conspiracy theories are lazy ones. Exit polls are POLLS; they're not a gold standard of actual votes.

[FourScore]

16. Vote flipping on the machines was reported very early in NC.

I have 2 friends who head the computer science dept at a major ivy league university. They shake their heads with dismay that these machines are used. They are much too easily manipulated.

[brooklynite]

18. Vote flipping where the result was displayed on the screen....

...do you seriously believe a vote rigging conspiracy couldn't achieve the same thing without showing it.

[FourScore]

21. I'm too tired to argue with you, brooklynite.

I find your stance naive, you find mine a "conspiracy theory". Whatever.

[AtomicKitten]

20. Actually it is the gold standard.

It's the standard by which we monitor other countries for election fraud.

[J_J_]

28. +100000

n/t

[mwooldri]

11. I don't trust exit polls - not since 1992.

1992 UK general election.... projected Labour win, actual result was a Conservative hold. Paper ballots, so no electronic flip flopping going on.

So for Hagan to win the exit poll but not the election itself doesn't surprise me.

[customerserviceguy]

26. Me, either

Exit polls have margins of error, but they never tell us what they are, like they do with ordinary pre-election polls. They're a guess (educated, perhaps) about what will happen, and sometimes they just don't predict results with 100% accuracy.

[Recursion]

13. Ergodicity

It's the problem with any sample technique like polling.

[LittleBlue]

15. Exit polls aren't as useful in razor thin elections.

There is a reason they are used to confirm non-competitive races and not close ones. The results are probably well within the margin of error

[roamer65]

19. These elections need to be on auditable paper ballots.

Otherwise they will always have credibility problems.

[maced666]

24. To the streets!

Taking it to the streets....

[SoCalDem]

27. because exit polls are not valid

and people can say (and do say) things that may not be true

[Calista241]

29. Exit polls would work if the electorate was a nice vanilla, homogenous body.

But it isn't. And 2% of North Carolina's voting population is less than 20,000 votes. The problems come when exit polls are 35%+ out of whack.

[J_J_]

30. kick

n/t