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kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:21 PM Oct 2014

Just watched Hardball. Just sad. The President is alone in anything that is going on. Either he

is in charge and a dictator or an ineffective CEO. That's what the meme is and sadly there is no one to stand up to the media on his behalf. Sure, he's President and big boy and should be able to take all the guff...AND HE DOES. This is just my rant about what I sense that is going on. Probably the most decent, smart, President we have had in a long time and you would think he is a lazy, stupid, community organizer that can't get anything done. Ebola is his fault ...nevermind the brave doctors going to serve and coming back here. Now folks want a Federal law to force a 21-day quarantine of folks coming from the infected countries. We want the government to take over the medical and scientific communities and we want the President to act like a dictator in doing so. The guests on Hardball tonight rattled off a list of events that they claim the President had no leadership in dealing with. They don't know just what the policies are..even though the policies are spelled out clearly by the President. Yes, we may not like the policies but please stop claiming that there are none. Chris asks...who was in charge of the ACA roll out...like Obama never named anyone (I guess he forgot that the person in charge actually was called on the carpet and had to resign) but let's pretend there never was anyone in charge.

It this kind of disingenuous that makes my head spin. Either the President is not doing his job or he is lying. The constant script is being played out by ALL media outlets. Because many things are accomplished behind the scenes..Turkey is on board, there is a coalition formed to fight against ISIL, Iran is also on board and all this was accomplished without great fanfare or the opposition bashing what was going on night and day. We can't get our teeth into it so it must not be happening. Blackwater thugs were finally sentenced, Benghazi culprits on trial, a soldier was returned from captivity amid much rancher, a NK prisoner was returned, the Justice Department is finally getting a chance to change sentencing guidelines for innocuous weed possession. Yes, I don't know what is going on...but it works for me.

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Just watched Hardball. Just sad. The President is alone in anything that is going on. Either he (Original Post) kelliekat44 Oct 2014 OP
why i don't watch it. barbtries Oct 2014 #1
I Posted Something About Tweety The Other Night... ChiciB1 Oct 2014 #2
Good for you. I going to join you. Already fired off e-mail to MSNBC. nt kelliekat44 Oct 2014 #3
What does Hillary Clinton have to do with anything? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #7
I'm NOT Obsessed With Her... ChiciB1 Oct 2014 #20
How is trotting out Lewinsky helpful for Hillary Clinton? Has Tweety gone round the bend again? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #21
The Lewinsky thing is how he got his start. Everyday, weeks on end. Those were his glory days! freshwest Oct 2014 #32
and for the 11th billionty time....Sanders is not a Democrat. Until he becomes one.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #22
I KNOW He's Not A Democrat... ChiciB1 Oct 2014 #24
then why bring him up on "DEMOCRATIC Underground"? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #25
Sanders caucuses with the Democrats AndreaCG Oct 2014 #30
but he cannot run in our Primary....period VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #34
You Betcha! NOT Going To Be Our President! ChiciB1 Oct 2014 #39
because....you are an idealist not a realist... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #43
Youre right, you don't need to do that demwing Oct 2014 #63
Right because some of us understand that no matter WHO we elect.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #67
Yeah...you're just so cool demwing Oct 2014 #68
I know....I get told that all the time....nice of you to notice too! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #70
You've got 13k + posts, do you still not get it? demwing Oct 2014 #60
You have nearly as many posts....do YOU not get it? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #61
Here's the quote that bunched your undies: demwing Oct 2014 #62
I wear thongs....no bunching! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #69
I wish you'd said, For the LAST time, Sanders is not a Democrat. Guess what, VR, WE ALL KNOW THAT! Stardust Oct 2014 #37
NOOOO you must not.....because he is continuously trotted OUT here.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #38
I, for one, am not naive enough to think Sanders has the tiniest chance of being nominated, nor am Stardust Oct 2014 #40
+10,000. My Point Exactly! n/t ChiciB1 Oct 2014 #42
You forgot to add...FAR Left Fringe bashing whoever wins too! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #44
I am in complete agreement. I have been watching Chris for many years and given up on him Stardust Oct 2014 #27
I've watched him for probably a decade to almost two decades - I think his show was first on CNBC & Pirate Smile Oct 2014 #28
I'm with you. Off the DVR for me, too. I'm tempted to send him a tweet letting him know what I Stardust Oct 2014 #29
Oh... I See You Got The "Turn Off The TV Thing Too!" ChiciB1 Oct 2014 #35
You can't click on ANY thread about TV on DU without the anti-TV crowd chiming in! Who cares Stardust Oct 2014 #36
He cited Reagan was in charge wilt the stilt Oct 2014 #4
Bush Sr Was In Charge billhicks76 Oct 2014 #17
Remember that SNL with phil hartman? Ichingcarpenter Oct 2014 #33
Nooooooooooo....Jeb Bush Running According To His Son. billhicks76 Oct 2014 #45
Oh, Reagun was "in charge" of the Aids Crisis? Tweety sounds deranged. Cha Oct 2014 #52
I am sorry about this KT2000 Oct 2014 #5
Its not that....its just the crazy coming from the Republicans....is much more entertaining to watch VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #9
Hillary And Obama and Bill Have Stood Up For Jeb Bush billhicks76 Oct 2014 #46
oh GMAFB with this bullshit line of attack....is that the best you got? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #47
Truth Hurts billhicks76 Oct 2014 #48
Hijacked billhicks76 Oct 2014 #49
do you have any actual links to back up any this ridiculous bullshit??? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #51
You're Ridiculous billhicks76 Oct 2014 #53
NO this is Alex Jones level ridiculous CT! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #55
Your Stubbornness Reminds Me Of Alex Jones billhicks76 Oct 2014 #57
no your CT reminds Everyone of VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #58
Well I a Guess It's A Badge Of Honor billhicks76 Oct 2014 #72
Endless CNN News Stories About Clinton And Bush Being Buddies billhicks76 Oct 2014 #54
If Hillary Goes For Bush's Jugular And Proves Independence Then Ill Vote For Her billhicks76 Oct 2014 #56
It might if there were some to be had! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #50
Politics Iliyah Oct 2014 #6
I absolutely agree- KrazyinKS Oct 2014 #8
look at how he gets treated from the Far Left right here on DU.....no wonder the Dems VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #10
"Follow the money" never more true which is why SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2014 #14
I have many disagreements with the President PAProgressive28 Oct 2014 #11
The Real Phrase I Was Taught Is This... ChiciB1 Oct 2014 #23
they did the same thing to Jimmy Carter. the power of the media is frightening. spanone Oct 2014 #12
It is the exact same playbook they used with Jimmy Carter csziggy Oct 2014 #19
I got that too. Tweety must be covering his ass for the midterms SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2014 #13
it's why I dont watch either. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2014 #15
Just looked up ratings for "Hardball". SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2014 #16
Chris Matthews says what he is told to say and supports who he is told to support. greatlaurel Oct 2014 #18
As I expressed to another poster earlier, he is a much better human being than I am notadmblnd Oct 2014 #26
I DO Agree With That... ChiciB1 Oct 2014 #41
I haven't watched Matthews in ages meadowlark5 Oct 2014 #31
Let me add my voice to the "Walk Away From Matthews" brigade. Paladin Oct 2014 #59
Tweety is a weathervane. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #64
History will judge him far differently. 6000eliot Oct 2014 #65
President Obama is the new Jimmy Carter. the media has turned on him. spanone Oct 2014 #66
I'm sorry. LWolf Oct 2014 #71

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
1. why i don't watch it.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:40 PM
Oct 2014

it's all bullshit and i don't get sad, i get pissed. i already have high bp, so screw it.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
2. I Posted Something About Tweety The Other Night...
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:41 PM
Oct 2014

I was so disgusted, some told me NOT to watch him and I did switch back and forth. When he started his garbage again tonight I just switched it off and said screw it! Seems he just loves Hillary and that's it and I'm SICK OF HIM!! He's getting progressively WORSE as each day goes by. All he does lately is talk trash about how/why/what Obama is doing wrong.

After the debate in FL when the fan was an issue he had Crist on and said how much he liked Crist, hoped he would win. Two days later he's spouting off about how nasty both of them were. Stick your finger in the air Tweety... THAT'S who he's become!

NO MORE FOR ME! He's a snake and because he has gotten a certain amount of power at MSNBC, a VERY DANGEROUS host because he feels what he says is all there is. I've waffled back and forth for quite some time, now he can go screw himself!

And, I REALLY do want Crist to win, I can't bear thinking about having to live with "the alien" for four more years!

I also intend to make my feelings known in every way I can at any sites of his. I don't do twitter, but I'm going to find every way I can to make my thoughts clear to him!

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
7. What does Hillary Clinton have to do with anything?
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 09:54 PM
Oct 2014

Some people seem to be obsessed with this woman.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
20. I'm NOT Obsessed With Her...
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 11:14 PM
Oct 2014

I said HE was obsessed with her. When he started to talk about Lewinski, he said something about this should be helpful to her because of Ken Starr. That's when I switched channels! HE always talks about how there's nobody the Repukes can run against her and win. Then he usually does his poll match ups with people like Romney, Paul, Cruz and the others. Have you never watched him doing this? Generally says Democrats don't have any other candidate they can run and Repukes focus on her as our 2016 candidate.

I rarely talk about her myself, HOWEVER I will say I was never one who supported her the last time, nor did I support Obama in the Primaries when HE became our candidate in 2008. I considered both of them as moderates, which I'm not. But I did vote for Obama both times. Now it seems she's been chosen for 2016, if you call that being obsessed you have a right to your opinion.

While I'm sure Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren will run, and if they did they couldn't win as our ticket, some of us might like that choice.

Regardless, I've watched Tweety enough to know he does support her, he thinks she will win and believes Democrats will choose her as the 2016 candidate. She's not what my problem with him is right now. I'm sick of his barbs directed toward Obama. It's been going on for quite some time now which I don't think is helpful especially with mid-terms almost here.

Why keep reminding viewers what he feels Obama has done wrong during his 1st and 2nd terms? To me it's wrong and in no way helpful to Democrats in general. Done with him!

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
21. How is trotting out Lewinsky helpful for Hillary Clinton? Has Tweety gone round the bend again?
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 11:19 PM
Oct 2014

but he is right about one thing.....She wins against every Republican! There IS no one else in the Party that CAN beat every Republican....that's just Math...

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
22. and for the 11th billionty time....Sanders is not a Democrat. Until he becomes one....
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 11:24 PM
Oct 2014

he can't run in the primary. And as a matter of fact....Elizabeth Warren is not that much different ideologically than Hillary Clinton. Judged on ALL the issues....not just one or a handful of issues....but the vast majority of issues....they line up pretty close to even.

And don't judge her as equivalent to Bill.....he is a Centrist Democrat overalll....she is NOT. They are married....not joined at the hip.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
25. then why bring him up on "DEMOCRATIC Underground"?
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 11:37 PM
Oct 2014

if he doesn't become one.....this forum cannot support him...so until such time....

AndreaCG

(2,331 posts)
30. Sanders caucuses with the Democrats
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 02:47 AM
Oct 2014

So I see no problem in people here supporting him. If he ran as a third party candidate for president you might have a point.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
34. but he cannot run in our Primary....period
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 08:04 AM
Oct 2014

And he becomes the enemy UNLESS he bcomes a Dem....AND BECAUS of all the bullshit bluster about the Dems being too far to the right....if Bernie becomes one it is a symbolic move rightward for Sanders to do so....rock meet hardplace...therefore....I love Bernie....but he is not going to be President....thats reality.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
39. You Betcha! NOT Going To Be Our President!
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 01:41 PM
Oct 2014

YOU DID NOT hear me saying it was a possibility. Don't know your age or much about you, but I'm a BOOMER which kind of dates me, but with that I have always believed "comes some wisdom." Life teaches you things as you roll along, plus I also believe I have something NEW to learn every single day!

Guess what? I remember Tweety from the way, way back time, and as much as he touts his creds about Peace Corps, Tip O'Neill and much more, that did happen but to a lesser extent than he spouts! Hey, I also remember Tip O'Neill too and Nixon who really "was a crook" not so much because of Watergate, but much more. Ronnie Rayguns is liberal compared to the right wing idiots of today and I saw his crap coming from the "get go!" His trickle down theory has proved to be a PISSED ON THEORY for "we the people" simple as that for me.

As for Obama, I'm fully aware of many issues that have disturbed me to no end, because I really do lean left. My father introduced me to politics when I was 11 yrs. old and it's that Democratic Party I was proud of, warts and all. They did stand up and fight back, AND they had their own behind the scenes corruption along the way too. Still, when the shit hit the fan for one of them, for the most part they didn't do the "mea culpa" I'll roll over now act. Most took it, some paid a big price. Politics, ya know? With Obama I've come to realize that in the beginning he should have taken the bull by the horns from day one. It's obvious he felt reaching across the aisle was how he wanted to play the game. That strategy was NEVER possible, it's crystal clear to me. We are now at a place in time where EVERYTHING is his fault. It's been said he could walk across the Potomac and the Repukes would scream, "well he didn't swim!"

I do believe he's an intelligent, good man who wants to do good, but since he was elected racism reared it's head in some very ugly ways. I suppose at this point in time he realizes there's very little he can do and perhaps he wishes he had never been elected. Who knows. In all my years of political activism I've never seen such overwhelming acrimony and it's just NOT going to go away! Far too many literally HATE him and many of the Democratic base simply feel we have been abandoned. I don't blame Obama for how the Democrats in Congress have become limp wimps. He has gotten some good legislation "started" but ACA is baby steps, but steps. He has the weight of the world on him and Repukes won't be happy until he's totally ruined. It's very evident this country is going down the wrong path and to say we're a Super Power isn't true for me. As long as we have wars, we stand tall because WE have Super Weapons! Gung ho, off to war we go! Bull Crap!

So yes I have my gripes, but "Tweety" has a daily show with an audience that tunes in to him thinking he speaks Democratic/Moderate language. I no longer see him that way and his trashing of Obama is no better than what FOX does IMO! So screw him, he went to sleep and the "body snatchers" got him! Trashing Obama with such a loud voice is no better than Democrats who are DINOs like Wasserman/Schultz! I abhor phrases like "the Homeland" shades of Hitler, and The Democrat Party! And this trashing isn't helpful to any new Democrats who might be better and possibly win a mid-term election!

Never intended to this to be such a long rant, but felt a need to explain what I tried to imply in the beginning. So, shall we just quit with your "baiting banter" and try to get along?


 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
43. because....you are an idealist not a realist...
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 04:48 PM
Oct 2014

that is all. I don't need to write whole screeds about the reality on the ground.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
67. Right because some of us understand that no matter WHO we elect....
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 09:12 AM
Oct 2014

if they don't have the House and Senate.....Obstruction will occur...

There are no heroes coming....WE are our own saviors.....because when WE Vote WE win!

stalking me this morning are we???

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
60. You've got 13k + posts, do you still not get it?
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 08:19 AM
Oct 2014
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Since we are discussing Presidential politics--and it's not a Presidential Election year--DUers are free to promote and support whomever they like for that office.

If you can't get over that, and least get your rules straight.
 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
61. You have nearly as many posts....do YOU not get it?
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 08:21 AM
Oct 2014

therefore, advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground.

You were saying?

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
62. Here's the quote that bunched your undies:
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 08:32 AM
Oct 2014

"While I'm sure Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren will run, and if they did they couldn't win as our ticket, some of us might like that choice."

Q. How is that advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates?

A. It isn't. OP seems to be merely ruminating on the potential benefits if Sanders or Warren ran on the Dem ticket.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
69. I wear thongs....no bunching!
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 09:23 AM
Oct 2014

He IS...because Bernie is NOT a Democrat! Period...end of story...

like I said.....UNTIL or IF he becomes one...he IS Third Party!

Stardust

(3,894 posts)
37. I wish you'd said, For the LAST time, Sanders is not a Democrat. Guess what, VR, WE ALL KNOW THAT!
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 01:18 PM
Oct 2014

And we don't give a rat's ass. We KNOW he'd run as a Dem when the time comes.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
38. NOOOO you must not.....because he is continuously trotted OUT here....
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 01:23 PM
Oct 2014

as the savior of Democrats.....by the people who claim ALL Democrats are too far to the Right...SO even if Bernie becomes one....that in and of itself would symbolize him moving to the Right. Because even as President....he cannot perform miracles....his "reign" would not make the Republicans and their filibusters magically disappear now would he? This is the ultimate conclusion of your theory of "including" Bernie.....



Is that really what you want to see?

The Democrat leaning Independents....who can't get their shit together enough to form their own viable party....spend all their time....bashing all things Democrat on a Democratic forum...helping the Right do their Opposition Research and voter suppression...meanwhile in the end they hypocritically vote for the very Democrat they have been bashing for 2 or more years....then they somehow also believe that "if ONLY the RIGHT person got elected President"....SHAZAAM!!!! EVERYTHING would suddenly be different!!!! The Republicans would just GTF out of the way!!!

Stardust

(3,894 posts)
40. I, for one, am not naive enough to think Sanders has the tiniest chance of being nominated, nor am
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 01:46 PM
Oct 2014

I unaware of the pyrrhic victory it would be if by the remotest chance he won the general. I've seen more than one of our "saviors" fail due to media-bashing and/or Republican obstructionism I just happen to admire Sanders and what he represents. So for a brief moment, can't you just let us fantasize about our ideal candidate? Relax, we know he probably won't run...

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
44. You forgot to add...FAR Left Fringe bashing whoever wins too!
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 04:49 PM
Oct 2014

they ALSO cause the trouble...

the Dem. leaning Independents are never satisfied.....they just like to piss and moan about whoever is Democratic President that is doing the best they can against the Republican obstruction is STILL not good enough for them....so under the bus he or she goes!...THAT is ALL!

Even though we all KNOW that unless your party captures the Presidency, the Congress and the Senate....you are NEVER going to see more than incremental change. Since we haven't given that to this President....its our own fault.

But the Indies... just cannot see the Forest for the trees.....Hell they will tell right now that Obama hasn't accomplished much....which is equivalent to the Rightwingers saying he is a failure.

Stardust

(3,894 posts)
27. I am in complete agreement. I have been watching Chris for many years and given up on him
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 12:11 AM
Oct 2014

more than once...but I always come back. And just recently, I've been ready to defend him in the next Tweety-bashing thread. But after tonight, count me as an ex-fan. I couldn't believe the rant Chris went on, excoriating our president. In my opinion, President Obama has the weight of the world on his shoulders and is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't. Chris wants him to show them who's boss, then Replicans would fall into line. And Obama's lack of leadership experience is his downfall.

What a fucking turncoat. Chris has been more and more manic the last few days and I'm very disappointed that he would finally erupt by raking Obama through the coals.

(For anyone tempted to tell me how I should turn off the teevee, please don't bother.)

Pirate Smile

(27,617 posts)
28. I've watched him for probably a decade to almost two decades - I think his show was first on CNBC &
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 12:25 AM
Oct 2014

I'm done, done, done. Off the DVR. His reaction to the first Ebola diagnosis and bizarre fixation on POTUS saying "unlikely" was the last straw. He frankly seems unstable, stupid and shallow.

I don't know who the hell he thought/thinks his normal viewers are or were but this past and no longer current or future viewer cannot say emphatically enough "Fuck that guy". What a massive, massive asshole.

Stardust

(3,894 posts)
29. I'm with you. Off the DVR for me, too. I'm tempted to send him a tweet letting him know what I
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 01:50 AM
Oct 2014

think, but I'm not that familiar with Twitter. And I figure a letter to him or msnbc would be ignored.

You're so right about Chris obsessing over Obama's use of the word "unlikely." Gawd, he just wouldn't let it go! And Obama was merely reiterating what the CDC was telling him!

Fuck that guy!

Stardust

(3,894 posts)
36. You can't click on ANY thread about TV on DU without the anti-TV crowd chiming in! Who cares
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 01:07 PM
Oct 2014

how much more enlightened they are or how much money they've saved since they turned off the TV umpteen years ago?!? Kinda trollish, IMO.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
17. Bush Sr Was In Charge
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 10:50 PM
Oct 2014

And probably still was until very recently. Here's a fun for you...it's been reported today that the Obama administration is counting on Republicans winning the Senate so that the Torture Report doesn't get published. The CIA and Brennan have stated their wish for Republicans to win. That's beyond a conflict of interest. It proves Obama is not in charge.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
45. Nooooooooooo....Jeb Bush Running According To His Son.
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 07:42 PM
Oct 2014

And we can thank our current Democratic leadership for allowing this by excusing Bush crimes. WE are fools for not challenging Obama and Clinton on their covering up of Bush crimes...they have singlehandedly rehabilitated the Bush name. Anyone here other than me predict that a Bush could regain the Presidency???? No one here believed me when I stated it as a fact since 2008 over and over again.

KT2000

(20,576 posts)
5. I am sorry about this
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 09:44 PM
Oct 2014

but Democrats as a rule do not stick up for a Democratic president.
Hell - they aren't even demanding equal time on the talk shows to rebut the ridiculous charges from the Republicans.
The only thing that America hears is the RW crazy talk and Dems let it happen.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
9. Its not that....its just the crazy coming from the Republicans....is much more entertaining to watch
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 09:56 PM
Oct 2014

they draw people in with their drama.....its about who is getting the bills paid....I don't think the Dems are OFFERED rebuttal.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
46. Hillary And Obama and Bill Have Stood Up For Jeb Bush
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 07:44 PM
Oct 2014

How can we accept this travesty? They want us to stand up for them while they stand up for that criminal family. Have fun with Jeb as our next President...I blame all the fools who let our leadership not target that family. This is what we deserve now.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
47. oh GMAFB with this bullshit line of attack....is that the best you got?
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 07:46 PM
Oct 2014

is this how far you have stooped?



PUHLEEEZE!

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
48. Truth Hurts
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 07:52 PM
Oct 2014

Its Jeb vs Hillary if Wall St and the Military/Surveillance/MassIncarceration complex get their way. If Hillary goes after Jeb and exposes their crimes then I would support her but that will never happen as she is an honorary member of that evil family.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
49. Hijacked
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 07:56 PM
Oct 2014

In 2008 it was decided that Jeb Bush vs Hillary Clinton would be the ticket. This was decided by Wall St and the Military/Intelligence/Surveillance/MassIncarceration complex. We have been completely manipulated.The Clintons and The Bushes have long been in bed with each other and people on our side need to wake the Hell up and accept this disappointing truth. There was a reason Clinton covered up and excused Bush Sr crimes in 1993...to pave the way for his son to take the reins when power was traded back. There is a reason Obama didn't go after Bush too and is currently suppressing the Senate Torture Report...its to rehabilitate the tarnished Bush name so Jeb can return the Bush family to power...the Bush family whose name emblazons CIA headquarters. Democratic insiders are saying that Obama is stalling the release of the Torture Report until after the 2014 November elections because he is banking on a Republican victory. How messed up is that. And if Jeb loses in 2016 they have their B-Team back up with Hillary. This whole affair is disgusting. Hillary and Obama have just become puppets of the Republican led intelligence agencies. The Bush family aren't just bad people who steal from our country...they are EVIL beyond belief and people in our party have to approach this election with that mindset or we are all screwed. Time to tac to a different path and start treating these criminals like the dishonest troglodytes that they are.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
51. do you have any actual links to back up any this ridiculous bullshit???
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 08:01 PM
Oct 2014

please provide...WOULD love to have that belly laugh!


Alex Jones maybe???

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
53. You're Ridiculous
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 09:12 PM
Oct 2014

Im sure you love Alex Jones more than I do...I obviously detest the Bush family more than you do.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
57. Your Stubbornness Reminds Me Of Alex Jones
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 12:32 AM
Oct 2014

Try studying history. It's full of high crimes. And cover-ups. But most importantly hubris which always takes down the inflated egos who feel untouchable.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
72. Well I a Guess It's A Badge Of Honor
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 06:15 AM
Oct 2014

To be differentiated from you. In my opinion you're the most right wing person on this site.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
54. Endless CNN News Stories About Clinton And Bush Being Buddies
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 09:35 PM
Oct 2014

Here's but one...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/barbara-bush-gushes-bill-clinton-treats-george-h-w-bush-father-article-1.1113917

And here's one on torture report...try doing some of your own research...I'd bet you would be surprised...invoking Alex Jones name just shows how shallow you're arguments are by the way...last resort of someone who doesn't have a command of the facts is to invoke a bogeyman whether it be Ron Paul, Alex Jones, Saddam Hussain or OBL.

http://open.salon.com/blog/designanator/2014/10/23/froomkin_obama_stalling_torture_report_til_repubs_take_over

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/23/white-house-waiting-gop-senate-kill-feinsteins-torture-report/

http://www.ktxs.com/news/politics/son-jeb-bush-more-than-likely-eyeing-run/29347400

And Im sure these are just social visits, right?

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/30/bush-is-in-town-so-he-stops-by-the-white-house/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/01/obama-hosts-george-hw-and-jeb-bush-at-white-house-112638.html

As far as conspiracy Bush Family websites go I was thoroughly entertained by this piece (Alex Jones is not only an idiot but also a racist Atheist hater but if you're trying to convince me conspiracies don't exist just because of him it won't work)...most of which I agree with beginning with Grandfather Prescott Bush initiating an attempted coup, The Business Man's Plot, against FDR that was stymied by Gen. Smedley Butler who wrote one of my favorite books, War Is A Racket. Prescott then let his bank fund the Nazis until 1942 when he got caught and George Bush may very well have been the low level manager coordinating the hit on JFK. There is a reason he was made head of the CIA in '75 when they had to purge evidence of all the misdeeds that came to light during Congressional hearings. There is a reason CIA headquarters is named after him today. He is quoted as saying," You think the Kennedy boys were something wait till you see what my boys do."

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1331.htm

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
56. If Hillary Goes For Bush's Jugular And Proves Independence Then Ill Vote For Her
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 09:40 PM
Oct 2014

But that won't happen because the only reason she is around at the level she is at is precisely for not seriously attacking the Bushes. If you attack the Bushes they will make you pay dearly. I am not attached to my dislike of Hillary...it almost seems non-consequential at this point. Hopefully her supporters like yourself do us all a favor and push her to be a decent person and go after the criminals running our country.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
6. Politics
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 09:49 PM
Oct 2014

GOPers hate anything that's not them - corporations are in control with the media and polls. Spout negative against the present President because he's sooooooooooooooo un-popular (not true). Gives the next contender re Dem for president a little space.

Jeb Bush said fake news is tooooo negative. . . .

KrazyinKS

(291 posts)
8. I absolutely agree-
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 09:55 PM
Oct 2014

He is getting so blamed for everything that is going on right now, and nobody has the balls to back him up. I have days where I think it is neither right wing or left wing, just the times in which we live. We live in a ball less society. Forgive my French, but where have the people with any courage at all gone?

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
10. look at how he gets treated from the Far Left right here on DU.....no wonder the Dems
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 09:57 PM
Oct 2014

can't stick up for him.....they will be fragged by their own voters! The voters that criticize 24/7 how HORRRRRIBLE all the Dems are!

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,112 posts)
14. "Follow the money" never more true which is why
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 10:33 PM
Oct 2014

Citizens United is soooo horrible and why the one time we visibly saw Obama's temper was when he pointed that out in front of everyone during a SOTU.

PAProgressive28

(270 posts)
11. I have many disagreements with the President
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 09:58 PM
Oct 2014

and overall I feel he didn't turn out to be the guy I voted for in 2008 but the way in which Democrats have turned their backs on him this election cycle is disgusting. It's equally unfair that he is getting blamed for Ebola and ISIS (though we can debate how he's handled ISIS). Obamacare is working better than anyone thought. Unemployment is worse than 5.9% but that's the number that's reported and Americans love numbers. Stand up and be proud of what you accomplished. As someone here said a few days ago, "When you stand for nothing, you get nothing."

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
23. The Real Phrase I Was Taught Is This...
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 11:28 PM
Oct 2014

If You Don't Stand For Something, You'll Fall For Anything. But OK, use your phrase. Am I happy about what Democrats have turned out to be, NO WAY!

Tweety was who I was talking about, and I think that's how the post started. I don't have blinders on, so everyone can carry on now.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
19. It is the exact same playbook they used with Jimmy Carter
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 11:01 PM
Oct 2014

The two most intelligent and decent presidents since I've been an adult and the media trashes them both. If the country had listened to Carter about energy we wouldn't have ended up in so many wars in the Middle East. We'd be energy independent, we wouldn't have fracking and tar sands destroying our environment, and we'd have less reliance on coal. But even now, the M$M will not admit that Carter was right. They still laud Reagan and call Carter a failure when the two men should be flipped. Carter was a success in defining the issues that would damage our country in the future. The only thing Reagan was successful at was to put in policies that guaranteed our country would suffer.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,112 posts)
13. I got that too. Tweety must be covering his ass for the midterms
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 10:27 PM
Oct 2014

expectations. He's such an oportunist, no different from BOR.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
15. it's why I dont watch either.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 10:36 PM
Oct 2014

I can't take it. It's 100% undiluted, raw sewage.
And I hate the disinformation about PBO....although, it's in keeping with the treatment that the best always get.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,112 posts)
16. Just looked up ratings for "Hardball".
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 10:49 PM
Oct 2014

He had the highest ratings on MSNBC yesterday. Beat Maddow by a mile.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/the-scoreboard-thursday-october-23_b243520

Very distressing. However, BOR is only pulling in 3 million. So that is somewhat comforting considering the Ebola case in NYC was breaking.

greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
18. Chris Matthews says what he is told to say and supports who he is told to support.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 10:58 PM
Oct 2014

He is completely owned by the corporation he works for. In 2008, he stated that Obama gave him a thrill up his leg. That was right after Goldman Sachs switched their donations from Clinton to Obama during the primary campaign.

Chris Matthews will do and say whatever the bosses at Comcast tell him to say. He is a complete phony and has no scruples what so ever.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
26. As I expressed to another poster earlier, he is a much better human being than I am
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 11:50 PM
Oct 2014

I never would have been able to tolerate the shit he's had to put up with these past 6 years.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
41. I DO Agree With That...
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 01:49 PM
Oct 2014

And it makes me very sad to see how he's been treated. Regardless if even Democrats don't agree with all his policies, he's been bashed and thrashed and put through a wood chipper! To still be standing is an accomplishment in and of itself. I would have blown a gasket a very, very long time ago. Frankly, I wish he would have a temper tantrum the likes of which none of us has ever seen!

I think it would do him and us a LOT OF GOOD!


meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
31. I haven't watched Matthews in ages
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 03:04 AM
Oct 2014

He is very unoriginal. He gets impressed by things that most of us find smarmy or disingenuous in republican candidates. I've heard him be impressed by slobs from Christie to Cruz.

Why he still has a prime time spot MSNBC still hoping to peel off some Fox viewers, I guess.

Paladin

(28,252 posts)
59. Let me add my voice to the "Walk Away From Matthews" brigade.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 08:09 AM
Oct 2014

His show has devolved into a tiresome, non-stop trashing of Obama. Matthews is clearly looking for a new Man Crush, and it's best to ignore the whole embarrassing process---and with the holidays coming, he'll likely be non-stop pimping his latest book. Stick with Rachel on MSNBC, she never engages in such humiliation.

6000eliot

(5,643 posts)
65. History will judge him far differently.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 08:43 AM
Oct 2014

He will be seen as an historic figure and one of our greatest presidents.

spanone

(135,827 posts)
66. President Obama is the new Jimmy Carter. the media has turned on him.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 08:50 AM
Oct 2014

and today's media is 100% worse

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
71. I'm sorry.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 09:29 AM
Oct 2014

It seems like, from my perspective, you are missing the forest for a single tree.

Your concern for that single tree seems more personal than political. I understand that.

From my perspective, though, politics in the U.S. is a hell of a lot bigger than any president. I know that too much of the general public has a true misconception, fed by misleading propaganda from the media, that the POTUS, any POTUS, has much more power than he actually does. In the world of partisan propaganda, everything is either the POTUS' fault or he's personally responsible for anything good that happens...and that's simply not true, either way.

From my perspective, the POTUS fills a role as leader. Again, from my perspective, this POTUS has been a weak leader, and he often hasn't been leading anyone in the best direction. It's no surprise that he ends up alone, if you can call it that. He's thrown too many of those who would be there, supporting him, under the bus. He's lost the confidence of his natural supporters who aren't under that bus.

This situation was easily predictable. Those who should have held him accountable for being a better, stronger leader from the beginning of his administration spent their time, instead, defending him. Trying to pretend that so many missteps were something other than they were. Making excuses for him. Ignoring the growing crowd under the bus, or vilifying them, or marginalizing them. Now, as a lame duck, he doesn't have the support he should have earned earlier.

Current political events in the nation really are no longer about Obama, one way or the other. I'm sorry that's painful for some, but it's reality.

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