"I don't need a semi-automatic rifle to shoot a duck. Maybe you do"

[kpete]

Rep. Nolan, Mills spar over guns, taxes, health care
It’s the only scheduled debate in 8th District race, Minnesota’s hottest.

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On guns, Mills touted his “A” rating by the National Rifle Association and said Nolan’s positions on restricting semi-automatic weapons and limiting magazine capacities were not in line with the district’s values.

“We need to enforce the laws we currently have rather than making up new ones,” Mills said.

Said Nolan to Mills: “I don’t need a semi-automatic rifle to shoot a duck. Maybe you do. Maybe you should spend more time on your shooting range.”


http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/278450731.html

[kelly1mm]

1. You don't shoot ducks with rifles (generally). Shotguns are used in the vast majority of

duck hunts. Semi-auto shotguns are used quite often for multiple targets.

[NYC_SKP]

4. This lack of knowledge has been the undoing of those waging the war on guns.

Which, like the war of drugs, is doomed to fail.

Here's one of our state congress critters showing how much he knows:

[Go Vols]

17. +1

[Whiskeytide]

7. I don't know whether he knows that or not, but...

... I think his point might have been that no one needs an assault rifle for anything other than assaulting. They aren't hunting weapons. He may not have gotten it right in the context he used it, but his point was valid. If he had said "I don't need an assault rifle to to hunt game, maybe you do..." there wouldn't be a kerfuffle about it.

[Eleanors38]

9. His point was to advocate, ignorantly, for a ban...

on a class of weapon -- semi-auto rifles -- that have been in the field (hunting land animals) for over a century. I have a .22 semi-auto that was built in 1905. Another, the Remington Model 8, is a big-caliber rifle used in deep wood/brush conditions since 1909; in fact, this early big-game rifle was modified for law enforcement use, and not the other way around. Nowadays, the "assault weapon" (the same old semi-auto class of weapons) is re-calibrated for hunting, esp. feral hogs. Nothing new, except the wizz-bang sighting systems.

I prefer pump action SHOTGUNS for bird hunting: It's the legal thing to do.

[Whiskeytide]

15. Oh, I agree. And I'm not necessarily...

... for a ban - well, maybe a ban IN the Wal-marts would be okay. I'm more in the "a little more common sense regulation" camp. I was just trying to explain his language error. Not his potential policy error.

[Eleanors38]

18. I understand. But being that far off base regarding 2A issues

and gun culture calls into question his real goals.

[Bandit]

11. With no more than three shells allowed to be loaded.

No one bitches about that restriction but to make it so only ten round magazines are allowed is to establish communism in america.

[Mnpaul]

21. Mills had a problem with that restriction

but the big slam came when Nolan, responding to claims by Mills that he treats their workers well, said "I have spoken to one of your workers and he calculated that he would have to work 34 years to make what Mills makes in one."

I was an interesting debate. Mills had to take on two liberals Nolan and an American Indian candidate for the Green party(Ray Sandman). Sandman was quite good.
http://theuptake.org/

It was also probably the first time a candidate used the word "turd" in a debate. Nolan was concerned about water quality. "We used to have condoms and turds floating in the river."

[Drahthaardogs]

20. Shooting migratory waterfowl with a rifle is illegal.

I love the Browning Auto 5 though as a waterfowl gun. Such a nice, well made, shotgun for hunting upland birds and hardly kicks at all.

[PeoViejo]

2. ....

[MineralMan]

3. Hunting is a major deal in Minnesota.

That's especially true in Nolan's district. What Stewart Mills doesn't get is that Nolan has supported hunting for just about ever. Restrictions on firearms for hunting are already on the books. For example, the shotgun you use for ducks and other game birds are restricted to magazines that hold only 3 shells. Since most shotguns are built with 5-round magazines, you have to use a rod that restricts their a capacity. Nobody hunts ducks with any sort of rifle.

For large game, hunters are restricted by the caliber of the rifle, if a rifle is used. Nothing less than .223 caliber can be used for deer, for example.

Existing laws already include many restrictions. Mills is an overgrown, narcissistic frat boy. That is what will keep him from winning that race. He's smarmy and self-absorbed.

[Baclava]

6. He sounds like a complete idiot - hunting has NOTHING to do with the 2nd Amendment...

...anyway you look at it

[Brickbat]

13. He's not, but I can see how someone may think that reading this piece.

[michreject]

16. Only 15% of gun owners hunt

Someone needs to use a different line of reasoning.

[Jenoch]

23. That 15% figure does not apply to

the MN-8th district. Nolan should not have made this comment. I don't know the context, but he made his race closer by saying it. The hunting 'culture' in the 8th is a pretty big deal. Rod Grams was elected to the senate because his Democrat opponent expressed her supoort for gun control and for the first time, a Republican won the 8th in a statewide race. That was 20 years ago, but I'm quite sure the seniments are still nearly the same.

[linuxman]

5. Shows how out of touch they are.

Most gun owners don't hunt. Trying to shame someone with a crack about hunting prowess when nobody is talking about hunting really is the essence of just how out of touch they are. Furthermore, I wonder what sort of rifle Mr. Nolan uses to hunt ducks.

I couldn't give a fuck about hunting. Trying to shame me over how many shots I use to take down all the ducks
I've never hunted (with a rifle, of all things) speaks loads.

[aikoaiko]

8. That tired old dog doesn't hunt anymore.

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The so called Assault Weapons Bans and mag bans have virtually nothing to do with hunting.

"I don't need a semi-automatic rifle to hunt duck" must sound awfully stupid to most Minnesota gun owners - especially duck hunters.

[Eleanors38]

10. Some controllers & journalists still think that line is a real zinger.

It's like trying to push a transistor radio as the latest thing.

[Brickbat]

12. I thought the better line was when Nolan said he had bought his rifles at Mills'

"daddy's and granddaddy's store." Too bad that didn't make the article.

[madokie]

14. This old Vietnam Vet would rather not see ar15's

and ak47's on our streets and especially with large capacity magazines.
Maybe its just the war talking I don't know but I don't like seeing them on our streets

Wild animals don't shoot back so why does a hunter need a big ass magazine and rapid fire anyway?

[Taitertots]

19. You don't NEED "x" to do "y". Doesn't apply to rights.

Because you don't NEED any of your rights.

[VScott]

22. Assault weapons bans are so 90's...

Somethings are better left undisturbed...

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[edgineered]

24. At the upcoming birthday parties next month

you can bet that I will find and play La Macarena. It's a two day Filipino celebration, the house will be full and La Macarena will have everyone dancing. I love these parties!!!!!!!!!