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Fri Apr 13, 2012, 04:40 PM

There's no tougher job in the world than being a Mom, except being a mom and having a job. (nt)

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Reply There's no tougher job in the world than being a Mom, except being a mom and having a job. (nt) (Original post)
enough Apr 2012 OP
Little Star Apr 2012 #1
ejpoeta Apr 2012 #2
zbdent Apr 2012 #3
Iris Apr 2012 #20
ZombieHorde Apr 2012 #4
cali Apr 2012 #5
Tennessee Gal Apr 2012 #17
elehhhhna Apr 2012 #10
ZombieHorde Apr 2012 #11
Iris Apr 2012 #21
demmiblue Apr 2012 #6
JDPriestly Apr 2012 #8
demmiblue Apr 2012 #12
Butterbean Apr 2012 #14
LiberalCatholic Apr 2012 #19
mzmolly Apr 2012 #32
JDPriestly Apr 2012 #7
Raven Apr 2012 #9
on point Apr 2012 #13
LadyHawkAZ Apr 2012 #15
saras Apr 2012 #16
Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2012 #25
Deep13 Apr 2012 #18
Iris Apr 2012 #22
enough Apr 2012 #28
Iris Apr 2012 #31
enough Apr 2012 #34
Iris Apr 2012 #36
Motown_Johnny Apr 2012 #23
Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2012 #24
jp11 Apr 2012 #26
enough Apr 2012 #27
alarimer Apr 2012 #29
RainDog Apr 2012 #30
Octafish Apr 2012 #33
Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #35

Response to enough (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 04:45 PM

1. If you aren't rich enough and have to do both jobs yourself...

I would agree.

Rich enough to have a housekeeper, cook, etc. and work simply cause ya want to, not so much imho.

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Response to enough (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 04:47 PM

2. I totally agree. One of the reasons I became a Stay at home mom

was because I was going to work everyday and working a full day and then coming home and doing all the jobs there too. So I left work and became a full time mom. I honestly don't know how my sister does it. She works a full day and then drives 40 minutes home every day. By the time she gets home and has to make dinner and get the kids to do their homework and clean.... just thinking about it is exhausting!

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Response to enough (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 04:48 PM

3. but then you're a "bad mom" ...

well, you were in the 80s and 90s, according to the "He-Man, Hillary Haters Club" ... a.k.a. the Republicans ...

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Response to zbdent (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:31 PM

20. Still are today

and He-Man Hillary Haters Club has been replaced by other moms.

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Response to enough (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 04:54 PM

4. Soldier seems like a pretty tough job.

The job seems to have a pretty high suicide rate.

Coal miners seem to have it pretty rough too.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 04:56 PM

5. as someone in another thread said

how about being an aide in a Nursing Home- and add being a single Mom to that.

Ann Romney is fucking clueless just like her phony shitbird of a husband.

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Response to cali (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:19 PM

17. "phony shitbird"

LOL! I like that!

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 05:50 PM

10. both jobs that some single moms have

thanks for playing

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 05:52 PM

11. I have a feeling we are not discussing the same subject. nt

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:32 PM

21. excellent point

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Response to enough (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 05:33 PM

6. There is no tougher job in the world than being a SAHM with a special needs/medically fragile child.

There is no tougher job in the world than being a well-paid working mom who has no family/social support to speak of.

There is no tougher job in the world than being a SAHM that has 3 children, yet is moved constantly due to her husband's military career.

There is no tougher job in the world than being a working mom that is single and doesn't know if she can buy her kids shoes or put food in their bellies.

There is no tougher job in the world than being a SAHM who is also a care-giver to her or her husband's aging parents.

There is no tougher job in the world than being a working mom that was just diagnosed with cancer.


I thought that we were past this.



Edit: This post is DEFINITELY not a reflection of how I feel about Anne Romney, but how an OP like this divides women.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 05:47 PM

8. A stay-at-home mom who has plenty of time to ride dressage-style horses

as a hobby shouldn't complain if someone says she hasn't worked a day in her life.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 05:54 PM

12. Like I said, my post was not about Anne Romney.

I agree with you.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 06:43 PM

14. Thank you. The mommy wars are nothing more than unhealthy infighting that divide women.

It gets exhausting. Motherhood, however you slice it, however you do it, is hard.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:31 PM

19. I agree

I've done both and frankly the thing that amazes me is that I feel guilty no matter what. When I was at home I was not putting away money for retirement and college. When I work I feel like I am not doing enough for my kids. For the women who are part of the 99%, this issue is a difficult one. We need to drop this argument- everyone has struggles in their life. Now, that being said, money can make those struggles much easier... duh...

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 01:28 PM

32. Hear hear!

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Response to enough (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 05:44 PM

7. Been a stay-at-home mom and a working mom, and I will take the stay-at-hom

mom any time although I loved working.

It's really hard to leave a small child every morning. And sometimes you have to leave when they are not feeling well. It's just horrible.

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Response to enough (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 05:48 PM

9. Or a Mom taking care of her aging parents or hubby's

aging parents. I know them and they suffer in silence...maybe until now.

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Response to enough (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 06:39 PM

13. Wat she really meant is that Ann Romney doesn't have paycheck experience

Perhaps she could have said it more artfully, but what she was trying to say was that Ann Romney has never worked for a paycheck and thus didn't appreciate the need for pay equity. She didn't mean that she didn't work at all. This is truly gotcha attack instead of listening to what she was trying to convey.

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Response to enough (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 06:47 PM

15. THIS!!

Ann Rmoney can take her nannies and household staff and dressage horses and Caddilacs and shove them where the sun don't shine. How dare she pretend she knows anything about actual work? Fuck these people.

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Response to enough (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:17 PM

16. Sure there is. Mom and soldier in a country with no government and no community.

 

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Response to saras (Reply #16)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:36 PM

25. that is tough

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Response to enough (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:30 PM

18. coal mining, poultry processing, migrant farm worker nt

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Response to enough (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:32 PM

22. There's no tougher job in the world than being your own person

and not getting caught up in all this hype.

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Response to Iris (Reply #22)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:00 PM

28. I meant it to be funny, something about the idiocy of the hype. (nt)

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Response to enough (Reply #28)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:09 PM

31. Lol! I see!

I'm just overly sensitive today.

(But really, I wish women would just chill the fuck out and be satisfied with knowing whatever they are doing for their families is the right thing for THEM and doesn't need anyone else's approval)

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Response to Iris (Reply #31)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 09:55 PM

34. Iris, I'm a bit late to respond, but I agree with you completely especially as the mother of two

young women. This problem of needing to fit in with some societal norm seems to be getting worse and worse, instead of getting better as women get more "empowered." It turns out the secret is to live your life as yourself. Seems simple, but I didn't get there till I got to be ridiculously old. And I think it's actually getting harder instead of easier.

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Response to enough (Reply #34)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 10:21 PM

36. I just keep thinking of the mom in the Sandra Bullock movie - Hope Floats

It's from 1998 and her mother is played by Gena Rowlands. At one point, she basically tells Sandra's character that yes, she was an eccentric woman and didn't fit the mold her daughter saw her friends' mothers play. But she told her she needed to grow up and deal with it and learn how to be her own person or her own child was going to suffer.

There's actually a similar them in Ya Ya Sisterhood - moreso in the book - where the mother is unapologetic for being who she was even if it made her daughter uncomfortable.


And my late mother-in-law raised my husband to be his own person and never pressured us to be anything different as a couple.

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Response to enough (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:33 PM

23. She should have said "Never brought home a paycheck"

instead of "never worked a day".


I think that should be our meme. Yes she has worked but she never had to provide for herself or her family.

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Response to enough (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:35 PM

24. it's tough having no money, no job and being a Mom

Ann Romney - only the third one applies

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Response to enough (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:44 PM

26. Wrong.

Having pride in taking care of your kids is great and doing that and working for someone or running your own business is surely more difficult than raising kids and taking care of a home, even worse doing one or the other on your own.

But lets not champion one parent, be it mom or dad, over the other nor act like taking care of kids and a home is the same as having to swallow your pride and dignity by working at some horrible job taking other people's crap all day cause you need the lousy job, it isn't.

Taking care of your kids is what parents are supposed to do, when they do it they aren't heroes to the world, they should be heroes to their kids and at some point their kids should realize that. It is fantastic that parents take care of their kids, as they should, but it doesn't make them any better than people without kids or the parent that went to work while the other took care of the kids.







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Response to jp11 (Reply #26)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:57 PM

27. I agree, jp11. My OP was meant to be tinged with irony, but not exactly sarcasm.

I consider the "no tougher job on earth than being a Mom" phrase to be one of those meaningless platitudes that gets spouted by politicians and other bullshitters (and even Barak Obama when he says it). My post was only to say that if that cliche is true, then it must be even harder to be a Mom with a job.

I also agree with everyone on the thread who has pointed out that there are many many common situations that can be harder than being a working mom.

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Response to enough (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:02 PM

29. Not so hard if you have millions

And can afford staff to care for those kids and clean your house.

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Response to enough (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:07 PM

30. k&r n/t

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Response to enough (Original post)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 01:31 PM

33. Amen.

Thank you, enough!

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Response to enough (Original post)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 10:05 PM

35. That's right! nt

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