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Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:44 AM

Peggy Noonan: staying at home a "sacrifice" for mothers of children.

Her pronouncement, delivered in her most unctuous, condescending way, on Morning Joe today.

Well, I have a question, Peggy!

'Memba back in the 90s when Bill Clinton announced plans to "end of welfare as we know it" and proceeded to do so?

Were you, Ms. Noonan, arguing that same line about stay at home moms on welfare THEN?

Gee, I missed that column you MUST have written, wringing your hands about how women who want to stay home and take care of their children will now be forced out of that home to work.

Please speak up, Peggy. I can't hear you...

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Reply Peggy Noonan: staying at home a "sacrifice" for mothers of children. (Original post)
CTyankee Apr 2012 OP
Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2012 #1
malaise Apr 2012 #2
Guy Whitey Corngood Apr 2012 #3
malaise Apr 2012 #4
Guy Whitey Corngood Apr 2012 #6
eShirl Apr 2012 #5
Guy Whitey Corngood Apr 2012 #7
Grammy23 Apr 2012 #8
TwilightGardener Apr 2012 #9
CTyankee Apr 2012 #10
TwilightGardener Apr 2012 #21
CTyankee Apr 2012 #22
SoCalDem Apr 2012 #11
laundry_queen Apr 2012 #12
SoCalDem Apr 2012 #13
laundry_queen Apr 2012 #15
DefenseLawyer Apr 2012 #14
GoCubsGo Apr 2012 #18
CTyankee Apr 2012 #19
DefenseLawyer Apr 2012 #26
CTyankee Apr 2012 #27
Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #25
RandySF Apr 2012 #16
Taverner Apr 2012 #17
CTyankee Apr 2012 #20
jwirr Apr 2012 #23
Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #24

Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:46 AM

1. If she sticks her nose up any higher when she talks she's going to scrape it on the lighting grid.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:46 AM

2. Peggy is the quintessential

narcissist better known as Ms. 'fugging stupid and contemptuous'

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:47 AM

3. Did she deliver her pronouncement in the usual drunken country club

stepford accent?

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:48 AM

4. And then some

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Response to malaise (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:57 AM

6. And let me guess. She was so outraged she could pass out

on a big ass 1950s fainting couch. "Why I never!!!"

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:55 AM

5. I think she's actually gotten worse.

She almost sounds like a contender for Upper Class Twit of the Year.

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Response to eShirl (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:12 AM

7. If anybody knows about the plight of every day women it surely

is her. Why the fuck is her stupid irrelevant ass still on TV (he asked rhetorically)?

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:41 AM

8. I heard that discussion this a.m. and wondered why no one

Brought up the fact that many women (especially those in lower paying jobs) are caught between the proverbial rock and hard place when it comes to working outside of the home. When they run the numbers on how much they will make and how much it will COST them to work, they find out it's just not worth it to get a "paying job". Between the cost of childcare, clothing and transportation, it just makes more sense to stay at home. So even if more income would theoretically help their situation (in a two parent home), it just doesn't work out mathematically.

All of that talk about "choosing" to stay home ignores some of the major factors that go into whether a woman works outside of the home or not. Her education and training, where she lives, the availability of decent paying jobs and whether she has a partner or spouse may be very important factors regarding the decision to have a paying job.....on top of whether it will actually cost her to go to work outside of the home. There are also personal values about this subject and some people truly believe that their job is staying home to raise the children---at least until they reach school age. If you have several children, that can span over a number of years of staying at home until the last one is old enough to go to school.

I find that Peggy Newnan is an arrogant snob and probably has no clue what it's like to be a person who works in lower paying jobs, but feels fully qualified to put in her two cents just the same. I cringe when she is on TV because she comes across as such an elite twit. I do not like watching her and often find myself talking back to the TV when she is on. Just wish she could hear what the viewers are saying to her. LOL Maybe that would remove that self satisfied grin off her face.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:48 AM

9. Well, that's bullshit.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:54 AM

10. Not sure what you mean...could you elaborate?

I mean, I think her stuff is bullshit. Always was. I was just trying to get to the hypocrisy which no one on MJ today even brought up. Someone (I was hoping Jonathan) needed to ask her my question. I emailed a copy of my OP to the show...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 02:02 PM

21. That it's a sacrfice to stay home, for mothers who have adequate income

and especially household help. It's a luxury to stay home. I do it now, and anyone who says it's easier to hold down a job while being a mother is lying.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #21)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 03:46 PM

22. I did both myself and what stands out in my memory was that when I was at home with

my kids (when they were very young) it was hectic, esp. with demanding little babies and toddlers. But when they got into preschool I had more time to myself, which was great. It was great also to know that you are the boss of home. You can mop the kitchen floor on Monday or wait til Tuesday if you wanted. It was up to you. Whereas, at work you are at the whim of someone else, your boss, and if he holds the power to whether you can pay your mortgage and keep your house, you can have a miserable feeling.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:01 AM

11. It's only a sacrifice if Mom does not WANT to stay home, but a husband "makes" her stay there

or if her faith/culture loads her up with SO MANY children that she cannot afford the daycare vs job income divide

and if the husband later "trades her in for a newer model" and does not provide for her old age.

Women who take many years "off" to raise kids suffer when it comes time to retire because of the empty spots in their Social Security work record, and ones who are lucky enough to work in a field that still offers pensions, they are often "behind" in the vesting process.

If they have a long marriage to a very rich man, and they are included in the finances, they do well, but for the ones who have the rug pulled out from under them at 50-something, it's another story altogether.

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Response to SoCalDem (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 12:02 PM

12. I have a question about Social Security in the US.

Here in Canada, if you divorce and you've been a stay at home parent you get to split the amount that was put into the Canada Pension Plan with your ex for the amount of time you were together and not working, because the government has decided it's unfair that the spouse that's working has more put in to CPP for their retirement and the other spouse gets left with crap for staying at home, so they've leveled the field in the case of a divorce. Is there no such equalization in the case of a divorce for Social Security in the US?

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Response to laundry_queen (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 12:17 PM

13. There is some equalization for long marriages, but

a super rich guy who dumps a wife, does not get social security beyond the maximum paid. We stop collecting a a bit over 100K, so if the wife is not provided for well in the divorce and is not taken care of by his golden parachute, she's stuck with half of whatever he would get from SS..

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Response to SoCalDem (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 12:27 PM

15. I see.

Not that much different than here. Thanks for your answer!

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 12:25 PM

14. This issue is a dog for Romney

The more they try to spin this as an "attack" on Mrs. Romney and and attack on "family values" the more it puts the Romneys' lavish, ultra-rich world into the public eye. It's hard for anyone to be a victim with $500,000,000.00 in the bank. Just talking about how she "raised" her children will carry with it a discussion that she had nannies and maids and chefs and tutors and all the rest. They'd be wise in the long run to let it go.

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Response to DefenseLawyer (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 01:30 PM

18. And, speaking of dogs...

Anne was complicit in forcing their dog to ride on the roof of the car. If she had as much sway on her husband as he claims, and a sense of decency, Seamus would have been inside the car on that trip.

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Response to DefenseLawyer (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 01:31 PM

19. In a more perfect world, it would be better, but I've seen how republicans handle this stuff.

They always paint us into the corner and then taunt us.

Obama should stay on course pointing out his record, the LL Act for equal pay, fighting for free contraception for women, etc. The more we talk about the Rosen comment, the more it hurts us.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #19)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 05:08 PM

26. I'm not talking about us, I'm talking about them

I don't know that we need to talk about it at all. What I'm saying is there is a big downside for the rich guy to play the victim and the less they draw attention to their "world", whether it's car elevators or paltry $300K speaking fees or $10,000 casual bets or nannies and maids, the better for Mitt. There's just no way to push the issue about Mrs. Romney's "choices" as a mother without putting it in the context of the options that are available to her because she is ultra-rich.

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Response to DefenseLawyer (Reply #26)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 05:13 PM

27. well, from your mouth to god's ear! I hope you are right!

But I fear another Swift Boating coming in my dreading heart...

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Response to DefenseLawyer (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 04:05 PM

25. +1,000,000

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 01:28 PM

16. It would be a sacrifice for most families.

But for the Rmoney's, it's a luxury they can afford.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 01:28 PM

17. Pshaw!

 

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Response to Taverner (Reply #17)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 01:32 PM

20. stuff and nonsense!

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 03:50 PM

23. Peggy, this has nothing to do with stay at home or not - this has to do with having a choice. Most

of America's women do not have a choice to stay at home.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 04:04 PM

24. I can't believe that loon is still around

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