The Real Asshats

[Octafish]

Ted Kennedy survived Richard Nixon's Plots

By Don Fulsom

In September 1972, Nixon’s continued political fear, personal loathing, and jealously of Kennedy led him to plant a spy in Kennedy’s Secret Service detail.

The mole Nixon selected for the Kennedy camp was already being groomed. He was a former agent from his Nixon’s vice presidential detail, Robert Newbrand—a man so loyal he once pledged he would do anything—even kill—for Nixon.

The President was most interested in learning about the Sen. Kennedy’s sex life. He wanted, more than anything, stated Haldeman in The Ends of Power, to “catch (Kennedy) in the sack with one of his babes.”

In a recently transcribed tape of a September 8, 1972 talk among the President and aides Bob Haldeman and Alexander Butterfield, Nixon asks whether Secret Service chief James Rowley would appoint Newbrand to head Kennedy’s detail:

Haldeman: He's to assign Newbrand.

President Nixon: Does he understand that he's to do that?

Butterfield: He's effectively already done it. And we have a full force assigned, 40 men.

Haldeman: I told them to put a big detail on him (unclear).

President Nixon: A big detail is correct. One that can cover him around the clock, every place he goes. (Laughter obscures mixed voices.)

President Nixon: Right. No, that's really true. He has got to have the same coverage that we give the others, because we're concerned about security and we will not assume the responsibility unless we're with him all the time.

Haldeman: And Amanda Burden (one of Kennedy’s alleged girlfriends) can't be trusted. (Unclear.) You never know what she might do. (Unclear.)

Haldeman then assures the President that Newbrand “will do anything that I tell him to … He really will. And he has come to me twice and absolutely, sincerely said, "With what you've done for me and what the President's done for me, I just want you to know, if you want someone killed, if you want anything else done, any way, any direction …"

President Nixon: The thing that I (unclear) is this: We just might get lucky and catch this son-of-a-bitch and ruin him for '76.

Haldeman: That's right.

President Nixon: He doesn't know what he's really getting into. We're going to cover him, and we are not going to take "no" for an answer. He can't say "no." The Kennedys are arrogant as hell with these Secret Service. He says, "Fine," and (Newbrand) should pick the detail, too.

Toward the end of this conversation, Nixon exclaims that Newbrand’s spying “(is) going to be fun,” and Haldeman responds: “Newbrand will just love it.”

CONTINUED...

http://surftofind.com/tedkennedy

Reagan obstruct justice when Jim Garrison investigated the New Orleans connections to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Then-governor of California, Reagan denied Garrison's request to extradite a suspect in his case, Edgar Eugene Bradley. Some investigators believe disruptors within his office fed Garrison a false lead -- one Eugene Hale Brading. The thing is, Braden was arrested in Dealey Plaza.

So, remember: Nixon and Reagan couldn't give a damn about the Kennedy brothers, liberal Democrats. Nixon and Reagan devoted their public "service" to helping end the New Deal and install the New War State. Those two are worse than asshats. They, and those who think like them, are un-democratic.

[shenmue]

1. I almost tossed my breakfast there

[Octafish]

2. I smile just by being thankful I'm not him.

[Octafish]

3. Real Asshats are Traitors

(with apologies to the First Ladies and other experts on asshats)



Nixon's Vietnam Treason (George Will Confirms)

Reagan's Iran Treason (Gary Sick Confirms)

[NuclearDem]

4. Plenty of asshattery to go around.

[sabrina 1]

42. Did you know that a SS Agent has offered his services to Assassinate Ted Kennedy?

I find that shocking, especially since it was, apparently known for quite some time.

That, it would seem to me, is more than just 'asshattery' it is a major crime.

Why, do you think, this was never reported and investigated as a threat to National Security?

If our elected officials are plotting to install would be assassins in the details of other elected officials I would consider this to be a major issue that REQUIRES an investigation. It is WAY BEYOND asshattery.

[NuclearDem]

48. Hey, Octafish was the one calling them asshats, not me.

Take it up with him.

[sabrina 1]

49. What would you call them?

[NuclearDem]

51. Criminals.

Only reason for my post here was to point out that though Nixon and friends were total criminals, that doesn't lessen RFK Jr's actions in his anti-vax crusade.

It is, as the OP would call it, a propaganda technique.

[zappaman]

54. +1 n/t

[sabrina 1]

56. That is what I would call them. Which begs the question, why was there no investigation

of such a crime?

As for RFK Jr, he is a great Democrat and a great American whose father would be proud of him I am sure.

Calling a Democrat an asshat and whatever else he has been called on this Dem forum for a disagreement over something that is controversial at least, simply serves to expose the name callers. It is just as easy to say 'I believe he is wrong about this and here's why'. But then you have to have respect for Democrats and for the great contributions the Kennedys have made both to the Dem Party and this country, including their incredible perfsonal sacrifices.

[zappaman]

58. Yes, I'm sure RFK would be soooooo proud of his anti-vaxxer son.

cuz RFK absolutely HATED science.

[sabrina 1]

60. If his son hated science you'd have a point. n/t

[NuclearDem]

67. His uncle might be disappointed.

Let both sides seek to invoke the wonders of science instead of its terrors. Together let us explore the stars, conquer the deserts, eradicate disease, tap the ocean depths, and encourage the arts and commerce.

[zappaman]

69. Did you know...?

Did you know that a SS Agent has offered his services to Assassinate Ted Kennedy?

I read it here!

No links, but who needs links for assertions?

[NuclearDem]

68. So can't confront anti-vaxxers until all the crimes of the Nixon administration

have been dealt with. Got it.

So, if I may ask, what's your opinion on Dianne Feinstein?

[sabrina 1]

70. I despise Diane Feinstein's support for Bush's policies. How about you?

What is this thread about again?

You are free to confront whoever you want to confront, any time you wish, and so can the rest of us.

Put it this way, anonymous posters on the internet don't have the credibility that a great Dem like RFK Jr has, so good luck to them in their efforts.

Not really into the vax thing, but without knowing much about it, and seeing the 'sides' if one can call them that, I'm leaning towards the one with the most credibility at this point. Those on the opposite side are not very convincing, seem more interested in thrashing a Democrat from what I've seen so far. Maybe there's more to what they have to say, but frankly I don't read past the 'RFK Jr is an moron' or whatever epithet is applied on whatever day.

Which is why HE who doesn't engage in such personnel attacks, seems to be more convincing overall.

[NuclearDem]

71. So you can despise a Democrat for ideas you don't agree with.

Because just a second ago you were implying being a Democrat meant inability to be wrong on some things.

RFK Jr has no credibility on vaccinations. You letting him off the hook because he's a "great Democrat" is no better than the cult of personality around Obama--which I'm sure you're no fan of.

[sabrina 1]

72. Yes, I can despise the right wing views expressed by a Democrat without calling her an 'asshat' or

attacking her with nasty epithets.

I did know what you were going for, just so you know.

If you can find any OPs of mine using those kinds of epithets to attack her with, post it.

This is the problem for you, I didn't say you can't criticize or disagree with a Democrat. Did I?

But posting hateful, insulting attacks usually reserved, and even then not something I need to do to get my point across, for Right Wing Nut Jobs, is what I am talking about.

Thankfully it doesn't get much traction here, nor should it. RFK Jr is a Liberal who has done more good at the age of 7 than all his detractors combined. See I could say that without calling those detractors 'morons' and 'asshats'.

Want to try something else given the failure of this attempt at 'gotcha'. I like gotcha games but mostly for fun.

[NuclearDem]

73. So a Democrat in the MIC's pocket and thus partly responsible

for the butchering of Iraq you disagree with, but heaven forbid someone call them a mean word! The scandal!

This cult of personality some people have built around the Kennedy family is just as despicable in principle as the ones erected around the Clintons and Obama.

RFK Jr is an asshat for fueling an ideology that kills, and is just as despicable as DiFi fueling a different ideology that kills.

That you take more offense with the name calling is telling.

[Octafish]

5. Real Asshats are Warmongers

Harold Pinter explained in his Nobel speech:

Art, Truth & Politics

EXCERPT...

The invasion of Iraq was a bandit act, an act of blatant state terrorism, demonstrating absolute contempt for the concept of international law. The invasion was an arbitrary military action inspired by a series of lies upon lies and gross manipulation of the media and therefore of the public; an act intended to consolidate American military and economic control of the Middle East masquerading - as a last resort - all other justifications having failed to justify themselves - as liberation. A formidable assertion of military force responsible for the death and mutilation of thousands and thousands of innocent people.

We have brought torture, cluster bombs, depleted uranium, innumerable acts of random murder, misery, degradation and death to the Iraqi people and call it 'bringing freedom and democracy to the Middle East'.

How many people do you have to kill before you qualify to be described as a mass murderer and a war criminal? One hundred thousand? More than enough, I would have thought. Therefore it is just that Bush and Blair be arraigned before the International Criminal Court of Justice. But Bush has been clever. He has not ratified the International Criminal Court of Justice. Therefore if any American soldier or for that matter politician finds himself in the dock Bush has warned that he will send in the marines. But Tony Blair has ratified the Court and is therefore available for prosecution. We can let the Court have his address if they're interested. It is Number 10, Downing Street, London.

Death in this context is irrelevant. Both Bush and Blair place death well away on the back burner. At least 100,000 Iraqis were killed by American bombs and missiles before the Iraq insurgency began. These people are of no moment. Their deaths don't exist. They are blank. They are not even recorded as being dead. 'We don't do body counts,' said the American general Tommy Franks.

SNIP...

The 2,000 American dead are an embarrassment. They are transported to their graves in the dark. Funerals are unobtrusive, out of harm's way. The mutilated rot in their beds, some for the rest of their lives. So the dead and the mutilated both rot, in different kinds of graves.

CONTINUED...

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/2005/pinter-lecture-e.html

Mr. Pinter's gone to his eternal rest now, another Buddha we can only hear through his words.

Our world would be a far better place were we to base our policies and actions on his principal ideal: Truth.

[zappaman]

6. All of those guys and this one...

who, if listened to by a gullible public, can be responsible for kids dying.
Thats kind of asshattery, wouldn't you say?

[sabrina 1]

43. Installing a would-be assassin of Ted Kennedy's SS detail seems a lot more than

asshattery to me. So the CTs were right after all when they worried if the Kennedys could even trust the SS.

[Octafish]

7. Real Asshats are Assassins

In 1963, assassins killed President John F. Kennedy. In 1968, assassins killed Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and then his brother, Sen. Robert F. Kennedy. In today's world, an assassin may disparage one's character. Why would someone want to speak ill of a good Democrat like Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.?

Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy believed President Kennedy was killed by a conspiracy.

That's what his son and daughter, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and Rory Kennedy, reported in an interview with Charlie Rose last year in Dallas.



It's also what author and Salon founder David Talbot reported, when he called Robert F. Kennedy the "first conspiracy theorist" in 2007.

Here's why the news from Robert and Rory is so important:

The important issue is that he and his sister reported their father -- the president's principal counselor and the nation's chief law enforcement officer -- privately thought a conspiracy was behind the assassination of President Kennedy.

RFK called the Warren Commission report "shoddy workmanship."

Attorney General Kennedy knew about the Ruby-Mafia connections immediately, which is vital when considering the Mafia were hired by Allen Dulles and the CIA during Eisenhower's administration to murder Fidel Castro -- an operation which the CIA failed to inform the president and attorney general.

The interview with Charlie Rose marked the first time members of the immediate Kennedy family have voiced the attorney general's doubts about the Warren Commission and its lone gunman theory.

Those are the facts we learned Friday, Jan. 11, 2013. It's called history.

[zappaman]

8. Yes, Lee Harvey Oswald was an assassin/asshat.

So was Sirhan Sirhan.
We agree!!!!

[Octafish]

9. Testimony and evidence indicates Lee Harvey Oswald did not fire a shot that day.

Read Harold Weisberg for details.

[zappaman]

11. Not true.

Have you read Bugliosi's book?
It's called Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
You will find it meticulously researched.
Hopefully, you're not afraid to read it.

Also, have you read his other book which is about Bush?
It's called The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder.
Also very good.

[Octafish]

15. Only if you don't know more than what Bugliosi chose to discuss.

What Harold Weisberg reported -- information ignored by the Warren Commission:

Mr. Weisberg writes:

"The (Warren Commission) made two trips (in reconstructing Oswald's alleged movements from the SE 6th floor corner window to the 2nd floor where he was confronted by Baker).

The 1st one 'with normal walking took (78) seconds' while the 2nd faster walk 'took (74) seconds'.

Harold Weisberg points out that one must consider Oswald would have 'had to clean & hide the rifle & then go down to the lunch room (on the 2nd floor) & 20 feet inside of it.'

The Warren Report concluded, none the less, that "Tests of all of Oswald's movements establish that (he) could have accomplished (them) in the time available to him."

Mr. Weisberg explains that even if this were true, Baker testified that Oswald appeared "calm & collected."**

**May I point out that this description is not consistent with a man who has just shot the President, crossed to the other end of the building, wiped the rifle clean of prints, hidden the weapon & then climbed down 4 flights of steps.

The officer first saw Oswald in a window of a doorway to the 2nd floor lunch room in the process of moving away from the door. That's what caught his attention & caused him to stop following Superintendent Roy Truly up the steps.

It was when Baker opened the door that he saw Oswald "calm & collected" & when Truly told him "this man works here," Baker continued up the stairs.***

***If Oswald had appeared out of breath or fearful of being confronted by the police officer in the aftermath of a crime, Baker would have taken him into custody.

Weisberg points out that the commission had no witnesses to Oswald's alleged movements from the 6th to the 2nd floor & in fact there was a witness, Jack Dougherty, positioned at the stairway on the 5th floor, who "saw no one going down the stairs."****

****The elevators were on the 5th floor at the time of the assassination & so the only way anyone could have moved from the 6th to the 2nd floor would have been down the stairs.

SOURCE: http://jfk50d.blogspot.com/2012/04/april-8-2012-whitewash-report-on-warren.html

You really should read more than one source, especially when it comes to the assassination of President Kennedy.

[MinM]

17. Bugliosi and Talbot squared off in Time magazine ..

Speaking of Talbot and Bugliosi .. here's a link that links to Bugliosi v Talbot and other pieces thoroughly debunking Bugliosi's dubious work on JFK.

One more note on debunking Bugliosi ...

Jim DiEugenio's Reclaiming Parkland has it covered.

[deutsey]

80. Thanks for the link

about Talbot and Bugliosi et al.

And for reminding me I want to get a copy of Reclaiming Parkland.

[bobthedrummer]

47. There's another arena of asshats to consider-the behavioral engineers in the intelligence community

Last edited Tue Sep 16, 2014, 04:40 PM - Edit history (2)

The US intelligence community came up with folks like Dr. Louis Jolyon West who was quite an asshat asset in sunny California where the POTUS asshats soaked up the sunshine knowing that "experts" like Dr. West would mesmerize critics of the "offiCIAl reports".

Louis Jolyon West "performed" psychiatric assessments of Jack Ruby, Sirhan Sirhan and others-he was also Director of The American Family Foundation, and "advisor" to The False Memory Syndrome Foundation, the Cult Awareness Network and other front organizations.

Here's his Wikipedia entry as a refresher to those of US that know our previously hidden history, to those of US that never believed the Warren Report or any other nonsense issued by the perception managers. The OP has my utmost respect as one of the very best DUers ever.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Jolyon_West

There are many more recent articles to explore in our post-WikiLeaks, Chelsea Manning, Edward Snowden, whistleblowing 21st century for those that love the truth.

K&R

[sabrina 1]

40. Thanks, it's probably very disturbing to those who thought they had fooled a nation

that the questions just won't go away. In fact they only get louder the more time passes.

[sabrina 1]

44. Robert F. Kennedy Jr is a great American and a great Democrat. Thanks for this

Octafish.

[stevenleser]

10. Happy to 100% agree with this OP. nt

[Rex]

12. Two of the biggest asshats ever to curse politics.

As usual, you make pitch perfect sense Octafish.

[Octafish]

39. Thanks, Rex! For some reason, this isn't on ABCNNBCBSFakeNoiseNutworks.

In this address, Abraham Bolden talks about the Chicago Secret Service (accidentally) busted up an attempt on JFK's life in Chicago in early November 1963.

For DUers and all interested in important information the media ignore:

Agent Bolden was personally selected by JFK to serve as the first African American SS agent to serve on the White House presidential protection detail. He discovered the agency was filled with racist conservatives who HATED President Kennedy and were lax in their protection. After being subjected to treatment and ridicule that would make lesser men violent, he quit. After Dallas, he approached the Warren Commission with his accusations. For his trouble, he was railroaded and put into federal custody, including the penitentiary and psych wards. In reality and for history, Mr. Bolden is a hero.

Some background for those still interested in how we got to where we are:

Former Agent: Plot to Kill JFK in Chicago Foiled Before Assassination

Ex-Secret Service agent reveals Chicago JFK plot

The great author and journalist Edwin Black broke the story, "The Plot to Kill JFK in Chicago," way back when. Scribd has a copy, posted by Mr. Black (an outstanding author, New York Times journalist, and a good friend of someone I met once):

http://www.scribd.com/doc/49710299/The-Chicago-Plot-to-Kill-JFK

On the above article, from Edwin Black:

This file has been transcribed from a poor set of photo-copies. The images in those photocopies are, at best, very poor and I chose not to include them except to reference them and provide any subtext attached.The text in the original article was formatted in one to three columns per page and, to make referencing the original a bit easier, I’ve referenced those columns as well. I hope I’ve maintained the integrity of the original article to everyone’s satisfaction.

But first…

Five years ago on a commission from Atlantic Monthly, I began investigating a Chicago conspiracy to assassinate President John F. Kennedy just 20 days before Dallas. When I asked the wrong questions and came too close to sensitive information, I was followed and investigated by a Defense Intelligence Agency (D. I. A.) operative. By examining my own file, I identified him and embarrassed the DIA into halting the harassment. There's a record of their "project" in the credit bureau where it began, Credit Information Corporation. (named Cook County credit bureau at the time). The DIA's inquiry listed my employer as Atlantic Monthly although, that assignment was my only work for the magazine.

Unfortunately, the harassment didn't end until after my apartment was broken into. No valuables were taken. But all my files were obviously and clumsily searched.

But that was five years ago, before Watergate, a different era. Today, when reporters edge close to dirty government secrets, it is the agencies who become nervous. And they think thrice before attempting the retaliation and tactics once common to the game.

My investigation, revived within the past eight months, took me to New York, Long Island,Houston and Washington as well as through courts, warehouses, police stations and federal offices in Chicago. Hundreds of hours scrutinizing federal, state and local documents,dozens of interviews, hundreds of leads. And always with the Secret Service and FBI working against me, doing what they could to make the investigation tedious, time-consuming, and expensive. Perhaps they hoped the investigation would just disappear after all the obstructions.

I hope they now know they must come up with the answers. It is simply unacceptable to wait until the 21st century for the release of seventy or so top secret Warren Commission documents.

(image: Edwin Black’s signature)

Other than that, the national press has done about as much as the Department of Justice on the matter: zero.

[sabrina 1]

13. And people still say Secret Service Agents would never do anything wrong!

Haldeman then assures the President that Newbrand “will do anything that I tell him to … He really will. And he has come to me twice and absolutely, sincerely said, "With what you've done for me and what the President's done for me, I just want you to know, if you want someone killed, if you want anything else done, any way, any direction …"

Newbrand, SS Agent, willing to KILL if necessary, kill an American politician! Why were none of these people taken out of society and put in jail where they would not be a threat to our national security?

[Octafish]

16. 'Nixon by Nixon' on HBO provided audio -- absolutely chilling to hear Nixon say he's OK with murder.

If you get a chance, please give the documentary a viewing. The relevant passage is about 40:minutes in.

http://www.hbo.com/#/schedule/detail/Nixon+By+Nixon:+In+His+Own+Words/556679

For those new to the subject, background:

Nixon approved hiring a Secret Service man who said he'd 'kill on command' to guard Ted Kennedy. You can hear Nixon and Haldeman discuss it, about 40 minutes into the HBO documentary "Nixon by Nixon." While I had read the part of the transcript available years ago, and wrote about it on DU, almost no one I know has heard anything about it.

Ted Kennedy survived Richard Nixon's Plots

By Don Fulsom

In September 1972, Nixon’s continued political fear, personal loathing, and jealously of Kennedy led him to plant a spy in Kennedy’s Secret Service detail.

The mole Nixon selected for the Kennedy camp was already being groomed. He was a former agent from his Nixon’s vice presidential detail, Robert Newbrand—a man so loyal he once pledged he would do anything—even kill—for Nixon.

The President was most interested in learning about the Sen. Kennedy’s sex life. He wanted, more than anything, stated Haldeman in The Ends of Power, to “catch (Kennedy) in the sack with one of his babes.”

In a recently transcribed tape of a September 8, 1972 talk among the President and aides Bob Haldeman and Alexander Butterfield, Nixon asks whether Secret Service chief James Rowley would appoint Newbrand to head Kennedy’s detail:

Haldeman: He's to assign Newbrand.

President Nixon: Does he understand that he's to do that?

Butterfield: He's effectively already done it. And we have a full force assigned, 40 men.

Haldeman: I told them to put a big detail on him (unclear).

President Nixon: A big detail is correct. One that can cover him around the clock, every place he goes. (Laughter obscures mixed voices.)

President Nixon: Right. No, that's really true. He has got to have the same coverage that we give the others, because we're concerned about security and we will not assume the responsibility unless we're with him all the time.

Haldeman: And Amanda Burden (one of Kennedy’s alleged girlfriends) can't be trusted. (Unclear.) You never know what she might do. (Unclear.)

Haldeman then assures the President that Newbrand “will do anything that I tell him to … He really will. And he has come to me twice and absolutely, sincerely said, "With what you've done for me and what the President's done for me, I just want you to know, if you want someone killed, if you want anything else done, any way, any direction …"

President Nixon: The thing that I (unclear) is this: We just might get lucky and catch this son-of-a-bitch and ruin him for '76.

Haldeman: That's right.

President Nixon: He doesn't know what he's really getting into. We're going to cover him, and we are not going to take "no" for an answer. He can't say "no." The Kennedys are arrogant as hell with these Secret Service. He says, "Fine," and (Newbrand) should pick the detail, too.

Toward the end of this conversation, Nixon exclaims that Newbrand’s spying “(is) going to be fun,” and Haldeman responds: “Newbrand will just love it.”

Nixon also had a surveillance tip for Haldeman for his spy-to-be: “I want you to tell Newbrand if you will that (unclear) because he's a Catholic, sort of play it, he was for Jack Kennedy all the time. Play up to Kennedy, that "I'm a great admirer of Jack Kennedy." He's a member of the Holy Name Society. He wears a St. Christopher (unclear).” Haldeman laughs heartily at the President’s curious advice.

Despite the enthusiasm of Nixon and Haldeman, Newbrand apparently never produced anything of great value. When this particular round of Nixon’s spying on Kennedy was uncovered in 1997, The Washington Post quoted Butterfield as saying periodic reports on Kennedy's activities were delivered to Haldeman, but that Butterfield did not think any potentially damaging information was ever dug up.

SOURCE:

http://surftofind.com/tedkennedy

Why does that matter? The Warren Commission, and the nation's mass media, never heard about the CIA-Mafia plots to kill Castro until the Church Committee in 1975. You'd think that would be a matter of concern to all Americans, especially considering how then-vice president Nixon was head of the "White House Action Team" that contacted the Mafia for murder.

This is the sort of information citizens of a democracy shouldn't have to search the Internet to learn. It should be taught in school, or at the least, discussed in the nation's mass media. I certainly think it's unfair for people -- especially those who consider themselves Democrats or democrats -- to label those interested in such subjects "Conspiracy Theorists."

I had read the transcript years ago, but actually hearing Nixon and Haldeman discussing the details, I knew what has happened to our nation. Thank you, sabrina 1. Your understanding means the world to me.

[sabrina 1]

24. Thank you very much, Octafish, for these links. I had never heard of it before either.

I will view the video and hopefully pass it around. I see the efforts even here to suppress these facts.

It is unconscionable that this has been keep from the American people for so long.

And it puts a whole new light on the deaths of all those politicians who were conveniently removed from the political arena.

Thanks for all you do to keep us informed, Octafish. Knowledge is power which is why it is so dangerous to those who have ulterior motives.

[SidDithers]

14. And another...

Sid

[Octafish]

18. Thankx for reminding me.

This is from a former Republican Assistant Secretary of the Treasury:

The Kennedy Assassination (November 22, 1963) 50 Years Later

Paul Craig Roberts
November 21, 2013

November 22, 2013, is the 50th anniversary of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The true story of JFK’s murder has never been officially admitted, although the conclusion that JFK was murdered by a plot involving the Secret Service, the CIA, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff has been well established by years of research, such as that provided by James W. Douglass in his book, JFK And The Unspeakable, published by Simon & Schuster in 2008. Ignore Douglass’ interest in the Trappist monk Thomas Merton and Merton’s prediction and focus on the heavily documented research that Douglass provides.

Or just turn to the contemporary films, taken by tourists watching JFK’s motorcade that are available on YouTube, which show clearly the Secret Service pulled from President Kennedy’s limo just prior to his assassination, and the Zapruder film that shows the killing shot to have come from President Kennedy’s right front, blowing off the back of his head, not from the rear as postulated in the Warren Commission Report, which would have pushed his head forward, not rearward.

SNIP...

To briefly review, the facts are conclusive that JFK was on terrible terms with the CIA and the Joint Chiefs. He had refused to support the CIA organized Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba. He had rejected the Joint Chiefs’ “Operation Northwoods,” a plan to commit real and faked acts of violence against Americans, blame Castro and use the false flag events to bring regime change to Cuba. He had rejected the Joint Chiefs case that the Soviet Union should be attacked while the US held the advantage and before the Soviets could develop delivery systems for nuclear weapons. He had indicated that after his reelection he was going to pull US troops out of Vietnam and that he was going to break the CIA into a thousand pieces. He had aroused suspicion by working behind the scenes with Khrushchev to defuse the Cuban Missile Crisis, leading to claims that he was “soft on communism.” The CIA and Joint Chiefs’ belief that JFK was an unreliable ally in the war against communism spread into the Secret Service.

SNIP...

[font color="red"]Robert Kennedy knew what had happened. He was on his way to being elected president and to holding the plotters accountable for the murder of his brother when the CIA assassinated him. A distinguished journalist, who was standing behind Robert Kennedy at the time of his assassination, told me that the killing shots came from behind past his ear. He submitted his report to the FBI and was never contacted.[/font color]

CONTINUED...

-- [link:http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/11/21/kennedy-assassination-november-22-1963-50-years-later/|]

This should be front page news. For those interested, I've written about "Why?" here.

For the Record: Dr. Thomas Noguchi, then Los Angeles coroner, agreed with the distinguished journalist. Dr. Noguchi said Sen. Kennedy's fatal wound was shot from very close behind his right ear. The evidence included powder burns around the wound.

What have you written about the assassination of President Kennedy, SidDithers of DU, that matters?

[SidDithers]

19. It's interesting that you so admire the opinion of racist, white-nationalist Paul Craig Roberts...

More from PCR:

But the most fearsome fact is that the demonization of white people in the universities today is more extreme than the demonization of the Jews that was a prominent feature of German university life for 60 years prior to the rise of National Socialism.

Demonization of whites is the weapon used by multiculturalists to breakup western civilization. But teaching hatred has other consequences. Demonization has already demoralized some whites, making them ashamed and fearful of their skin color.

By the time whites become political minorities, decades of demonization will have prepared the ground for legislation prohibiting their propagation and, perhaps, assigning them to the gulag as a final solution to “the cancer of human history.”

http://web.archive.org/web/20110719200202/http://www.vdare.com/roberts/west_future.htm


Personally, that's not the kind of man that I'd promote on a progressive website.

Guess I'm just not a fan of racists.

Sid

[Octafish]

22. But that's not what I wrote, is it?

Direct your indignation at Paul Craig Roberts:

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/contact/

Why do insist on putting words in my mouth?

That is a propaganda technique.

[SidDithers]

23. You're not promoting the writings, and the website, of racist, white-nationalist at DU?...

Again, I wouldn't promote the writings or the website of racists like Paul Craig Roberts, just like I wouldn't promote the opinions or websites of David Duke, or Pat Buchanan, or Ernst Zundel, or Gordon Duff.

You see, I don't think racists belong anywhere at DU.

Sid

[Octafish]

25. You brought him up.

For some reason, you continue to imply that those are my positions. Why do you do that?

[SidDithers]

27. You created a thread about Nixon and Reagan era asshats...

Paul Craig Roberts is a perfect example. He's the father of Reaganomics.

He's also a racist and a white-nationalist.

What I can't fathom is why you continue to promote Paul Craig Roberts, despite being told many, many times that he holds odious and offensive opinions on race and immigration. Even the Admins thought Roberts wasn't appropriate for DU2.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=437x1149



Sid

[Octafish]

32. So you blame me for bringing him up in your post because I started the thread?

You are something.

[SidDithers]

34. No, I blame you for not agreeing he's a racist asshat...

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and instead, promoting his writings as if he were a reputable source.



Sid

[zappaman]

45. Not sure why anyone on a democratic website would promote that guy

or any hateful sites that carry his writings.

[sabrina 1]

41. It's called a distraction. No matter that it doesn't work, attempting to put words in people's

mouths is an old, though thoroughly ineffective these days as we can all access the ACTUAL words spoken.

Your words are very clear, Octafish, and always backed up with some incredible research.

[NuclearDem]

50. Oh, this is just too funny

[zappaman]

55. +1

[sabrina 1]

26. It's even more interesting that you never address the facts but veer off into

attacking the messenger.

What do you think about Nixon's agent stating his willingness to 'kill' a US politician for Nixon? Seems to be an irrefutable fact regardless of WHO the messenger is it not?

You haven't offered any opinion on that explosive revelation? I can tell you what the reaction is by people in this country who are just finding out.

Polls already show that a majority of Americans do not believe the findings of the Warren Commission. THIS is going to increase those numbers as it is now no longer a CT that there were actual SS Agents willing to pull the trigger on an American Democrat.

But you haven't commented on that fact so far, so I wonder, what do you about the issue? We know about the tactic of smearing messengers, most Americans simply yawn now when the see it in practice. I am not, like most Americans, interested in the messengers, only in 'are they telling the truth'.

[SidDithers]

28. What do you think about Paul Craig Roberts, sabrina?...

Surely even you would agree that he's a racist asshat, and deserves to be listed with the other asshats that octafish has put up in this thread.

Sid

[sabrina 1]

29. Is there a thread on this person somewhere? Did I wander into the wrong thread? I see you

don't want to answer my question but prefer to continue the tactic of 'attack the messenger'.

A US SS Agent stated his willingness to assassinate Ted Kennedy. I find that to be way, way more important an issue than the personal practices of someone barely known to the American people.

I just wanted to see where YOUR priorities were.

Thanks for the response.

Assassinate Ted Kennedy, not long after the assassinations of his two brothers. With PROOF now.

This country needs to get off its rear end and start an actual, real investigation of these criminal thugs if any of them are still alive. I would settle for a post mortem conviction if they are dead.

The threat to this democracy is simply stunning and hiding in plain sight.

Thanks to DUers like Octafish who actually care about this country for keeping us informed.

[SidDithers]

36. ...

You wandered into a subthread about asshat Paul Craig Roberts, in a thread about Nixon and Reagan era asshats, then complain when you're asked about Paul Craig Roberts.

Too funny.

Sid

[sabrina 1]

38. A SS Agent caught stating his willingness to Assassinate Ted Kennedy!

You have no comment on that information?

I see you are obsessed with this Roberts character, has he ever been threatened with Assassination by a SS Agent, as Ted Kennedy was?

[H2O Man]

20. Thanks for this.

Recommended, of course.

I's add Dick Cheney as a more recent example of the anti-American shitheads. It's sad that there are forum members who delight in attacking the Kennedy family here on DU.

[sabrina 1]

30. There are just a few people here who attack the Kennedys, not many give much credence

to their ramblings, thankfully. It IS a Democratic Forum after all.

[H2O Man]

35. !

[Rex]

77. HUGE asshat...probably has to get a custom made asshat.

Cheney is a total asshat.

[Initech]

21. I'll take this to a place where the law doesn't matter - The Supreme Court!

Haroooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

[zappaman]

31. Plenty of asshats to go around...here's another.

Judging from website reports, Lane’s supporters are unaware of his previous shenanigans which stretch back to December 1963; yes, Lane was present at the creation. In 1966, Lane’s first book, Rush to Judgment, was persuasive with the mainstream media who were taken in by Lane’s lawyerly tricks and silver tongue as he debated supporters of the Warren Commission around the world. As Commission lawyer Wesley Liebeler observed, Lane’s antics during these debates reminded him of “an old legend about frogs jumping from the mouth of a perfidious man every time he speaks . . . . If (Lane) talks for five minutes, it takes an hour to straighten out the record.” Even the counter-culture Rolling Stone magazine characterized Lane as a “huckster” and “hearse chaser.” Bugliosi describes Lane as having “infidelity to the truth” . . . a person who commits “outright fabrications” . . . “a fraud in his preachments about the known assassin” . . . and that he had “deliberately distorted the evidence” and repeatedly omitted “evidence damaging to his side.”

In Rush to Judgment, Lane abused the Warren Commission testimony of Jack Ruby, Oswald’s killer, and others like Charles Brehm, an alleged “grassy knoll” witness, who said Lane took his statements out of context and added a different meaning to them. Lane also omitted the statements of key witnesses like Johnny C Brewer, who observed a nervous Oswald avoid police patrols after the shooting of Officer Tippit.

But Lane has a long history of playing fast and loose with the facts. In the early 1970s he used unreliable testimony to accuse American soldiers of multiple atrocities during the Vietnam War, according to New York Times correspondent Neil Sheehan, a prominent critic of US involvement in the Vietnam War. Sheehan investigated the accounts in Lane’s book, Conversations with Americans Testimony from 32 Vietnam Veterans, and found most of them to be bogus.


Whole article is worth a read about this asshat.

http://www.washingtondecoded.com/site/2012/05/lane.html

[sabrina 1]

37. What do you think of the evidence of a US SS Agt. stating his willingness to Assassinate Ted Kennedy

Is your comment intended to state that the life story of someone most people never heard of is WAY more 'INTERESTING' than this explosive information that we now have proof of? A Secret Service Agent working for Nixon offering his services to ASSASSINATE TED KENNEDY?

Sorry, I'm sure your link is interesting, but definitely not going to be able to distract from this incredible revelation, which certainly PROVES that the majority of Americans have been correct in doubting the findings of the Warren Commission.

Smear campaigns only work when people are not in possession of the facts the smear campaigns are attempting to distract from. Just trying to help btw.

[zappaman]

46. Wow!

You should start your own OP with this amazing revelation!
Don't forget links!

[sabrina 1]

52. Which amazing revelation? That an SS Agent was willing to assassinate Ted Kennedy

or the more well known fact, that people understand the smear campaign tactic now better than ever before?

I'll be more than happy to start on OP on either one btw. Bot are important issues, thought the killing of a Democrat by an SS Agent seems to me to be far more important, one that was placed in his detail supposedly to protect him.

Yes, I find that shocking. You apparently see nothing wrong with it, or that is the impression you are giving which could be a wrong impression. You are free to correct me if I am wrong.

[zappaman]

53. yes please start an OP on the amazing revelation that a secret service agent

was asked to assassinate Ted Kennedy.

[sabrina 1]

57. If that was a fact, I would. What is a fact is that an SS Agent stated his willingness

to assassinate a Democrat if a Republican President asked him to so. That SS agent was placed in the detail of Ted Kennedy in order to protect him.

I do believe this is information that people need to have, so yes, I may find the time to post an OP here, and on every other forum I have access to.

Thanks for the advice.

[zappaman]

59. Great, now how about posing links to that assertion?

Or an OP.
However you wish to proceed would be nice.

[sabrina 1]

62. So you didn't read the thread?

[zappaman]

64. I must have missed the links that say

"a SS Agent has offered his services to Assassinate Ted Kennedy"
or
"A SS Agent caught stating his willingness to Assassinate Ted Kennedy"

Please provide them.

[sabrina 1]

65. I guess you did, what can I say?

[zappaman]

66. Looks like you made something up...

Again.
Otherwise, you would provide a link.

Why am I not surprised?

[zappaman]

61. Thank you for this most entertaining thread!

[underpants]

63. +

Marking for later read

[grasswire]

74. shame that Octafish was locked out of his own thread..

...for a very dubious hide.

[NuclearDem]

76. No, it was petty, stupid, and vindictive.

Just another in a very long line of posts suggesting nonsense about Sid.

[bobthedrummer]

79. Sid, that poster from Canada? That one??? Kick, n/t

[johnnyreb]

75. Detractors' routine vitriol is routine.

K&R.

[MinM]

78. Nixon: the Original October Surprise

We know about Reagan's October Surprise but here's some information on a lesser known one that involved Tricky Dick. Where the Reagan campaign undercut Carter's efforts to release hostages. Nixon and his people undercut LBJ's plans for a negotiated ceasefire ..

Original airdate: September 4, 2014

Jim DiEugenio (1:24:05) Real Media or MP3 download

*Jim's coming book review at Consortiumnews.com, Chasing Shadows by Ken Hughes (2014)
*Directly related to BOR concerns, what happened in Vietnam after Kennedy?
*NSAM 273, NSAM 288, the Gulf of Tonkin, Rolling Thunder, the Tet Offensive
*LBJ's 1968 bombing halt and withdrawal from the Presidential race
*Candidates Nixon, Humphrey, Wallace, real progress towards peace would help Humphrey
*Nixon was leading by 15 points, Nixon's unethical and probably illegal electioneering history
*Negotiation success by Johnson would threaten Nixon, Thieu began dragging his feet
*Bugged communications found that Anna Chennault was a Nixon go-between
*July 1968, Nixon met with Chennault to set up a back channel to stop negotiations
*Johnson was briefing the candidates, Humphrey hints there might be a change in his policy
*Humphrey announces that he would stop the bombing for good
*The North Vietnamese don't want to deal with Nixon
*Bundy left - 1966, McNamara left - 1967, Ball left - 1968, over the escalation
*As the North Vietnamese began to concede, Theiu backed out, due to Nixon/Chennault efforts
*Johnson confronted Nixon, Noxon denied it, Johnson called it treason
*In public, Nixon supported the peace talks, in private he prevented them
*Hoover told Nixon of the bugging, blaming Cartha DeLoach
*The "Plumbers", the Special Investigative Unit, to plug leaks
*Nixon wanted to count the Jews in the Treasury Department
*Nixon's irrational fear of the "Harvard people", the Ivy League
*The Nixon Tapes: 1971-1972 (Brinkley/Nichter 2014)
*Robert Blakey, Eddie Lopez, and Dan Hardway are scheduled together on next week's BOR
*Listeners are encouraged to e-mail questions for their appearance
*Their report was originally classified by CIA and not included in the HSCA Report
*CIA involvement in the "Oswald in Mexico City" charade
*Antonio Veciana, Marie Fonzi, and Maurice Bishop/David Atlee Phillips
*Phillips name does not appear in the Warren Report, the CIA anti-FPCC campaign

http://www.blackopradio.com/archives2014.html

Speaking of surprises .. it's surprising to see which DUers are attempting hijack this thread.