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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGo Bernie! Sanders for President for sure! He nailed it. Ate Chuch Todd for brunch!
And Chuck Todd could not even handle him. Bernie did call out the anger on both sides and included the media in the public's displeasure. He ate Chuck Todd for Brunch!
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I am the adding the NBC video a helpful poster added below. It was not available at the time I posted the thread. I was so excited by what I heard, and the roasting of Todd, I could not wait!
enjoy! If we have his back, he'll be the next president of the U.S.A.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)Last edited Sun Sep 14, 2014, 11:51 AM - Edit history (1)
This is what Bernie needs from the people now. Kick this interview into the nooze cycle all week!
mimi85
(1,805 posts)Elizabeth Warren is another one. Neither one will get the nomination though. Warren maybe someday. Good ole Bernie's time is past. I love Bernie - such a great guy. I didn't watch MTP. Just not a TV watcher, especially on Sunday mornings. Football will be on soon enough. Ugh.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)and if Hillary runs might as well give up now..
mimi85
(1,805 posts)I don't want her to run, but I don't want to vote for someone else and siphon votes away. My main concern is having Bill back in the White House. He won't be able to resist telling her what he thinks she should do. I voted for Bill and don't regret it. But his time is past. I know this is a VERY long shot, but I like Martin O'Malley. Right now, I'm more concerned with the mid-terms.
I seriously hope we don't have another fiasco with the GOP, although it was rather humorous in retrospect. Maybe i DO want a fiasco! Remember Paul's fake eyebrow almost falling off? And Perry's now infamous "oops?" The debates were absolutely surreal. And some of those idiots are talking about running again! Along with Rand, Jindal, Cruz (god, he annoys the shit out of me) and the other class of clowns. They really don't have a viable candidate that I can see.
I'm not sure we do either.
elzenmahn
(904 posts)...because the more viable Sanders is as a candidate, the more it pulls Hillary towards his side of the fence - not to mention the entirety of the Democratic Party.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)if HRC goes up against anyone else not owned by Goldman-Scahs, she'll get eaten alive during the debates.
Best way to ensure that never happening is to declare HRC "inevitable", or scare them off with her money.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)I know if I'm patient, there will be video later in the day. And I will watch it.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)He spoke on the middle class and that Kock Brothers and Citizens United WILL allow them to get in and dismantle Soc. Sec. and Medicare.
Another great point he made was that citizens of BOTH parties were not just fed up with the leadership, the citizens were EQUALLY fed up with the MEDIA SHENANIGANS! Ha! Chuck Todd was 'deer in headlights' for sure.
Sanders kept control of the interview much to the frustration of Todd. MSNBC will probably switch him out before the prez cycle begins.....Sanders nailed it! Use the link below to listen or yourself once the show is uploaded.
Chuck kept goading him, "are you against Hillary"? Is she not for these issues? Sanders kept repeating, "I'll let Hillary speak for herself, while I speak for the middle class"
ha ha ha......he was just so great...unlike ANYTHING we have ever had since they shot the Kennedys. I am not confusing this either with 'charisma' ala Bill Clinton.
I look at what they did to policy, all of them, like NAFTA and ending the Glass Steagall Act.
Enough of the B.S. Enough of the center DLC. Enough of pleasing corporations. Bernie nailed it.
wyldwolf
(43,865 posts)... if Sanders ran and won, how would he get his agenda through congress? Would Republicans suddenly become socialists? Would red state Dems?
At this point he's a motivational speaker with no real way to back up his words.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I think he will have an easier time than Obama did. Despite two terms of Republican obstruction, the POTUS has done a lot of stuff even without their help.
Why would they (GOP) change just because Sanders becomes POTUS...your argument doesn't really make much sense.
wyldwolf
(43,865 posts)We lost the house and senate in '94 and didn't get them back for 12 years.
I think he will have an easier time than Obama did.
You think a bona fide socialist will have an easier time with Republican obstruction than Obama did? You know, there were those on DU in 2008 who swore up and down Obama would have an easier time than Bill Clinton.
Why would they (GOP) change just because Sanders becomes POTUS...your argument doesn't really make much sense.
I've not made that argument.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Not that that translates into votes. Just an observation.
RoverSuswade
(641 posts)If Bernie carried his bible around he would win the red states for sure.
mimi85
(1,805 posts)And a great avatar. Makes me smile which is a good thing.
RoverSuswade
(641 posts)He doesn't have the baggage Hillary does. My avatar was frozen for 9 years, but all of a sudden he started dancing again on DU.
Stardust
(3,894 posts)olegramps
(8,200 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)on the right AND the left, the 99 percent.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)tblue37
(64,979 posts)from doing most of what he tried to get done.
wyldwolf
(43,865 posts)Democrats had substantial majorities in both houses of Congress so Republicans weren't players much at all unless they struck deals with Democrats. The House Majority during Carter's term were quite liberal with speaker of the house Tip O'Neill.
Anyone who believes 'established Dems' obstructed Carter from passing liberal legislation has it backwards. President Carter was not the same man he is today.
calimary
(80,693 posts)DO NOT make that mistake. DO NOT assume we've got this. I hope like hell you're correct but I don't see any guarantees presenting themselves out there. At least not yet. The only way we can be sure to keep the Senate is if EVERYBODY on our team gets off his or her apathetic or disgruntled or complacent ass and go vote. including all the "they're all the SAAAAAAAAAAME" voters get off their idiot asses and go vote.
GO VOTE.
mimi85
(1,805 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)I just LOVE this defeatist attitude certain people have around here...no wait, I find it sad.
calimary
(80,693 posts)in public - bank teller or grocery store clerk or whoever - my parting words for them after "thank you" are "and don't forget to vote!"
I've even concluded phone orders that way.
You can also write "VOTE!" on every dollar bill as you circulate the currency. We used to do that with "?W" (Question dubya).
Everyone should do at least a little something. Just one thing. If everybody even just here on DU did a mere one thing to get the vote out, that would be hundreds of thousands of "a mere one thing." Might make a difference. Especially when you recall that it was a difference of a mere 500 votes that mattered at the end of Selection 2000. Maybe FIVE HUNDRED VOTES in one little corner of Florida might have kept us out of Iraq - from the get-go.
modeforjoe
(15 posts)While technically you are correct re Sanders' initial impotence to legislate, I hope that he would do what Obama has not often done: take the hard stand, go to the people, and edu-ma-cate them about the issues, about what is at stake. So Sanders' program would suffer defeats...but in time his message might gradually begin to resonate and we can begin to turn this country around. It makes no sense to me to elect another neocon or corporatist Dem; they really are not on our side, though they give very few progressive ideas insincere lip service. I would take a risk on any candidate who pledged to go down fighting and go down educating.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)El Shaman
(583 posts)kinda like Theodoro (El Cubanito) Cruz, huh?? Don't forget, el viejo, his daddy!!
cui bono
(19,926 posts)What if for us to do is elect someone who will fight for us. Really. Not just someone who says they will or someone who will crap on us less than the other person from the other party. And then it's up to us to make the govt do what is good for us.
But remember, with Sanders we would have him always on fire, fighting for us. If he got elected and had the momentum and mandate that Obama had he wouldn't squander it away playing nice with the GOP and giving them what they ask for before they even started negotiating. The GOP isn't as powerful as some thing they are, they are being enabled by the current admin and Dem leaders.
Then we have to not be complacent once we get them elected. Look at how everyone was relieved when Obama got elected and sat back and trusted that he was doing the right thing. Well he didn't do the right thing on so many issues.
As a whole Americans are disengaged in the very process that determines their quality of life.
Most politicians are snake oil salespersons. They say what you want to hear then change their tune once they are elected. It's happened with every recent president. Sanders is the real deal. He's not going to let himself be pushed around by the GOP - or the Dems - he will fight to do the people's work. He's not going to go to the table with a compromised position to start with so that the outcome is more favorable to the GOP than to the people, he's going to go to the table asking for what we want and need.
Who do you really think is going to be able to go in there and accomplish what we need them to? Who is not just words until they are in office? Sanders has the track record to prove he's not just blowing smoke, he means what he says. That puts him so far out in front of the pack it's actually a sad commentary on politics in the USA.
Dustlawyer
(10,493 posts)other Politicians to make things happen. The President can use the Bully Pulpit to get us behind what he is doing, Obama did fail us on many issues and did the bidding of the 1%. The biggest tell was not going after the law breakers who caused the needless war in Iraq and the ones who crashed the economy. WTF! "Look forward, not back" is a rational response? He created, or at least openly continued to prove that there is a class of Americans above the law. I am sorry, but if a Democrat had lied us into war and allowed torture I would be screaming to prosecute them just as loudly. Where are the Republicans? For that matter, where are the politicians (other than a very small number) who should have been demanding prosecution for these blatant crimes?
Our country is corrupt to the very core and it all stems from campaign contributions. How idiotic can we be to allow legalized bribery of our politicians and then wonder why we cannot pass very common sense legislation that over 90% of Americans agree to (background checks on assault weapons). Wake up and quit bitching about the symptoms caused by this and help attack the real problem head on. It is a shame that Bernie is about the only politician to come out for publicly funded elections.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,493 posts)on board with a few exceptions. I believe that if half of the people that come to DU would get involved in spreading the word and setting up protests for the midterms we could get things going. I thought it would be sweet to protest outside TV stations with the sole goal of outlawing campaign contributions and install Publicly Funded Federal, State, and local Elections (PFE).
We could have signs showing just how much money each candidate received and ask the question, "What do you have to do for all that money?"
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)It is the correct fight, one we should be waging with everything we have, including protests as you mention. Thank you. Perhaps you can use DU to organize some efforts along these lines?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)about. Someone like Bernie would get support across the political spectrum from what I am hearing from people in RL, both Dems and Repubs.
He is an Independent and should remain so. The biggest voting bloc in the country now IS Independent as more and more voters are becoming Independents. I believe the last poll I saw stated that only 29% are Repubs and only 32 are Dems with the numbers dropping all the time.
He seems to be aware of that as he stated that a majority of voters don't vote, see the 2010 election where Independents stayed home after coming out in large numbers in 2008. Those are thinking people who won't vote for anyone who has demonstrated they are not working for them.
OWS was a result of the increasing disgust with both parties by the people. And it was scary for those in control to see how swiftly the idea of non-party affiliation spread across the country, making it necessary to quash them.
Maybe we are going through one of those historical political shifts and someone like Bernie is there to take advantage of it. I hope so. I could cheerfully support this many who has demonstrated his intelligence, independence and ability to do what is best for those who elected him.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)is still working it, supporting the wealthy on the backs of working people. Good book, "Stress Test".
Here is Jon Stewart tossing the weasel's words back in his face, and an audience of voters laughing in it. His face, that is.
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/qd03iv/exclusive---timothy-geithner-extended-interview-pt--1
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)... if Hillary ran and won, how would she get her agenda through congress? Would Republicans suddenly become democrats? Would red state Dems?
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)her far right corporate agenda. Just like Obama's
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Cool prophecy...
tazkcmo
(7,286 posts)Republicans will fight a Democratic president no matter who it is. Also, never let your enemy dictate who your leadership is. Why would you let them influence who leads you? You way of thought GIVES the Republican party partial control of your strategy.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)We might as well have a real fighter for the 99% in the White House, even if Congress gots fully to the R's.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)However, congress is less popular than the flu, and people are getting very sick of it....congress that is.
eridani
(51,907 posts)--surely stop trying to push the country even farther to the right. Are you series!?!?!?
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)You see, it is *progressives*, asking for progressive policies, that force the Democrats to move to the right and offer up warmed over Republican policies.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)And what is really going on is exactly what the Third way and their Republican kin don't want the people to know.
He'd use the bully pulpit of the Presidency to arm the people with real information, and the people will keep Congress in line by voting Republicans and Third Way Party candidates out of office in droves.
Just like FDR, the President that the Third Way and Republicans love to hate, did.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... I can almost guarantee you that both sides of the Capital will turn blue, and many of those red state govs will be gone too. This country is pissed, both on the left and the right. Don't count Bernie out.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)I've also see the video posted here. I didn't think it would be up this soon.
I agree with you that Senator Sanders is speaking to somebody other than the 1%. I also agree that Bill Clinton wasn't one of our truly great presidents, and neither is Obama. However, they are the best two presidents we've had since the end of the Vietnam War. My expectations of Mrs. Clinton as president are rather low.
However, I do not agree with you that Senator Sanders had the Toad for lunch. For one thing, the Toad was smart enough not to put himself on the menu today. He asked questions, and let Senator answer them. Senator Sanders was also smart enough to say what he wanted to say, which wasn't anything about Mrs. Clinton. Returning to the Toad, at least he didn't make an ass of himself today by telling Senator Sanders that he didn't say something right after he said it.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)Chuck the Toad tried to pit Sanders against Obama as well as Hilary Clinton. It didn't work. He replied that Obama has been obstructed by the Republicans. His only criticism was that he should have been more forceful in damning their obstructionism. In regard to Clinton he said let her speak for herself. The Toad came armed with anti-Democratic talking points and ran into a person that is far more intelligent than that half-assed twerp. He quickly saw through his intent and simply turned the tables on him.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Senator Sanders downplayed his differences with the President without denying he had them. He did what any good politician would do. He got his message out.
The Toad probably heard from some unhappy campers at NBC about his absurd performance the week before in his interview of the President. He had only ten minutes and didn't spend it resetting traps that Senator Sanders clearly knew how to evade.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)I welcome your comments. This is what I admire about him. He has never, to my knowledge, wavered from his socialistic economic views and his dedication to the working class. There have been several times that I have seen in which he could have compromised to make his position more attractable to Republicans and right leaning Independents.
I have come to regard the vast majority Democrats to be little more than middle of the road opportunists who only show up at the labor unions to collect a check. Obama is one hell of a lot better than any to days Ayn Rand Republican. But he isn't FDR, that's for damn sure. I love the response that FDR had for the wealthy when he said they viewed him as a traitor to his privileged class and he welcomed their hatred. This is my major criticism in regard to Obama. I have wondered if his bi-racial heritage has a lot to do with his determination not to offend anyone. I hope no one interprets my "wondering" as in any way as being racist. I believe that we all go along to get along to a certain extent. Sanders seems to be a very special cat.
House of Roberts
(5,119 posts)Considering how long he's been in Congress, that alone tells you why the program loses in the ratings. If you want to appeal to the majority, have their champion on your show once in a while.
underpants
(182,271 posts)I really was looking this morning to see how many shows McCain was on
(0 it turned out) and saw Bernie's name. Not doubting you but if this was his first time on MTP well that tells you something by itself.
House of Roberts
(5,119 posts)Other shows have had Bernie on recently because he is chairman of the Senate Veteran's Affairs committee, during the VA hospital scandal. Not MtP though.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I think they'd rather lose MTP entirely than have Bernie in the Oval Office. Hell, he's the longest serving Indie ever in Congress. That alone made him newsworthy. So did his filibuster. Still, they did not have him on. That tells me they are more interested in the oligarchy than in viewers, even for MTP.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)And Chuck Todd... ugh. Bernie delivered some absolutely profound truth bombs in the course of the interview, such as his comments on the Koch Bros agenda. Rather than taking even a fraction of a moment to acknowledge what Bernie said, Todd stepped on the last syllables as Bernie was talking to change the subject... what a jackass.
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valerief
(53,235 posts)CanonRay
(14,036 posts)Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)That was just outstanding - some of the fastest 5 -1/2 minutes of my life! GO, BERNIE!
K&R
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Go, Bernie.
Chuck Todd didn't know what hit him!
That was fantastic.
100% proof truth. That's Bernie Sanders.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)Standing applause from me Sen. Sanders!
I love his passion, his message and most of all, his "telling it like it is" FACTS.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)He just wanted him to be able to bash Dems and he totally turned it around and took total charge there.
He was able to list what he is for.
Let's just say Todd won't have him on anytime soon since he won't go by the right wing playbook on meet the press.
ybbor
(1,552 posts)Bernie: I'm not concerned about them/her, I'm speaking to those who are angry with the status quo.
Go Bernie!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)What a condescending little weasel.
lastlib
(22,978 posts)Fuck Chuck
Fuck Chuck
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sunnystarr
(2,638 posts)Yes Bernie was great. And immediately afterwards Todd and his crew minimized and marginalized Bernie - in essence laughing him off. Reminded me of what they did to Kucinich. It was disgusting but I know it from the past that it works.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Senator Bernie Sanders Presidential Campaign? Whether he runs as a Independent or Democrat, he's the RIGHT MAN for THIS TIME to be President of the United States. Here. here Bernie 2016!!!
merrily
(45,251 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)I am going to do an OP with that link, too.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)antigop
(12,778 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Senator Obama says he is not a Muslim. I take him at his word.
IIRC, that was Hillary during the 2008 primary. She could have given many answers when asked about that. That is the one she chose to give.
Duppers
(28,094 posts)Go Bernie!!
Faux pas
(14,580 posts)saves me from having to listen to Phuck Wodd any more than I have to.
RUN BERNIE RUN
PADemD
(4,482 posts)What's that supposed to mean?
antigop
(12,778 posts)PADemD
(4,482 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)Maybe code to tell ammosexuals open season? Heaven forbid! Toady would never do that.
southerncrone
(5,506 posts)Was it a warning, or some type of veiled threat?
Cluck Clod is a piss ant.
think
(11,641 posts)spanone
(135,631 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Polls show that this is the biggest voting bloc in the country right now.
Next time Chuck invites him, hopefully he learned that Bernie won't fall for baiting, he is there to speak for the people, not for Hillary or the Dem Party which Chuck tried so hard, and failed, to force him to do.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)very sharp guy.
CrispyQ
(36,222 posts)Todd's masters want to divide us. They are terrified we might coalesce from our profound anger.
Go Bernie!
markpkessinger
(8,381 posts)Some have expressed reservations about Sanders' age, but as this interview so clearly demonstrates, at 75 he is sharper and quicker on his feet than a lot of folks half his age!
calimary
(80,693 posts)"This is Bernie Sanders' FIRST appearance on 'Meet the Press.'"
WELL, THERE'S YER PROBLEM. RIGHT THERE!!!!!!
How many times have Tweedledee and Tweedledum been on there (mccain and his little dog lindsey graham)? How many times has bill kristol and the many many neoCONS been on there? How many time has cheney been on there?
And this is the FIRST TIME, in all these years - these DECADES - that Bernie Sanders has been on?
I'm sorry, I'm about to boil over!!!!
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)He had complete control of the conversation! Awesome! Simply awesome!!!
BumRushDaShow
(127,270 posts)This was Bernie's first and will probably be his last time on there after that. And note that this "first time" appearance wasn't even part of any panel, but was some standalone election-related piece.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Bernie spanked him.
adirondacker
(2,921 posts)I also appreciated the way he addressed both Hillary and The President.
rurallib
(62,342 posts)But Sanders stood firm. Very well done.
Bet the ratings dropped like a rock when the segment was over.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)media/internutz "must present Progressives vs. Hillary (and/or Democrats) as a wedge" narrative ... Talk about what you see as what the people need/want and whack the republicans; there is no need to talk about what other Democrats are, or are not, doing.
rurallib
(62,342 posts)Pisces
(5,592 posts)and the ratings will be worse than Gregory's. I would not want to help out his ratings in any way.
merrily
(45,251 posts)of trying to be like every other talking head show.
Oh, and be honest.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)Then turned it off.
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)I blogged my opinion of the interview directly after watching it. Used to like Todd until he came out with his it is not our responsibility to call out the lies and so on.
He is just another mouthpiece for the powers that be. Will not watch the show again unless Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or Zephyr Teachout is on.
totodeinhere
(13,034 posts)siphon off enough Democrats to give the election to the Republicans. If he runs he must run as a Democrat, not an independent.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)At the very, very least, he is going to force some people to at least campaign to the left.
Whether anyone else will govern to the left is another issue.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)He knows there is no room for third parties. Just being a long time independent will please voters on BOTH sides.
merrily
(45,251 posts)It's all in the clip.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)he runs against Hillary. I want to vote for him even if he cannot win. I want to know in my heart that I did the right thing.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)It clears up myths and slogans and gives voice to those who get lost in the shuffle. There are too many to be ignored, if we get out and vote.
Bernie also speaks of the chief danger that people won't vote in November. Those who will be hurt the most seem oblivious to the GOP agenda. The GOP has announced their agenda, the Koch agenda.
The parties aren't the same even though it's popular to say so, since media repeats that and people want to go with the media picked winner - the GOP.
Bernie is caucusing with the Democrats for a reason and doesn't let the GOP off the hook. Many who are not now Democrats will heed his call and get out and vote and make the changes.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)instead of against the worse of two evils!
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)You can tell voters are being herded by the 1%ers to so-called "open primary" (top two but first known as "jungle primary" in Louisiana) that has already been unfortunately put in place in California and Washington, and I'm trying to help on many fronts fighting here in Oregon this election.
People WANT to feel represented and not to feel like they have just a choice of the "lesser of two evils". That is what is getting us in to these other crappy voting reforms that seep through with 1%er blessing and money. We need to make sure it is done right if it is done! I hope a challenger like Bernie or Elizabeth Warren can lead at some point in this happening.
If we had instant runoff voting in place in 2000, there's no doubt in my mind we would have had president Gore for 8 years instead of the bringer of bad times George Bush! And Ralph Nader wouldn't be demonized today like he has been so much in the past here.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Thank you for what you are doing in Oregon!
mimi85
(1,805 posts)and am getting a bit tired of kicking the President. He really has done a lot of great things which I'm sure history will reflect.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)I will be working with others to try to prevent Wall Street and corporate Democrats from shoving another yes-man (or woman) for Wall Street predation and the surveillance state down our throats.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Go, Bernie! K&R
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)What a zero. All the massive problems facing the nation and Todd can't get out of tiger beat mode. Jesus the press corp leads a sheltered and privileged life.
lark
(22,996 posts)Chuckie kept trying to make it about Hillary and Bernie just wouldn't go there.
Run, Bernie, run - as a Democrat! You've got my vote!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Bernie will have a level of support that will shock the political establishment.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I don't think USians have heard things like this for a long time. It's going to be like an oasis in the desert.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)how do you really feel?
I'm with you on his run! I posted an OP that link and added the Facebook link that you provided, so thanks. I also linked to this thread and valerief's post with the video.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)I hope he is being very, very careful.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)The status quo establishment will grow wary once they see the surge in support for Bernie.
I guess they don't have a UFO story this time. I'm sure they will fabricate something.
mimi85
(1,805 posts)don't think Bernie has anything to worry about, except illness. He just turned 73 this month, no one is going to chance giving the nomination to a 75 year old by election time. What a great man! Damn, I hope Hillary doesn't get it, but we'll see.
In the meantime, we need to stop doing so much conjecturing about 2016 and get busy to GOTV. The mid-terms are less than two months away! We need to get on it - NOW!
And, yep, with lil Luke joining Todd, someone is going to go or the show just might get dumped. I'll have to look up the ratings. We make fun of Luke, and many times, deservedly so....I think he'll be ok when he grows up. Hey, who got Todd's front row seat at the press conferences?
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)He has done a very nice job for them.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)You know, since they believe PBO is a dangerous black, non-American, socialist Muslin.
Bernie would be in danger from the Wall Street thieves and MIC war profiteers.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,481 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)I would not wish that on Bernie.
Meanwhile, how great is that clip?
Toad kept trying to put words in Bernie's mouth and Bernie kept refusing to let Toad do that.
Hell if Bernie doesn't become President, they should at least give him that show.
The ratings would quadruple.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)It was a work of art.
weaselbit
(18 posts)There was a link to Chuck Toad's "First Read", found on the MTP transcript page from the deceptively edited President interview last week. Link is gone now. But here it is!
https://www.facebook.com/firstread
LOOK AT IT! Nothing has been posted there for over a year. It reads like a Mitt Romney promo page. Nothing but news propping up Romney and Chris Christie. This is a great look into how partisan Chucky is. They'll probably take it down soon. Too revealing.
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mimi85
(1,805 posts)People go on there mainly to show others what a wonderful, perfect life they have. Todd wasn't even on MTP when that page was made, so even though I'm not a Todd OR FB fan, I don't think the page means anything.
redwitch
(14,933 posts)He refused to be sidetracked by Mr. Todd, stuck to his message. I would be so proud to cast my vote for Bernie!
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)still_one
(91,937 posts)not fall in that trap.
Bernie would be a terrific candidate, the problem is the media would spend the whole time not concerning themselves with what Bernie is saying, but with the name "socialist", and inflections of "communism", and though it would be an outright lie, the media would freely exploit it as they did with the "swift boat pukes". Remember, it was bad enough that the swift boat pukes had ads, but the worst thing is the wonder MSM made those ads NEWS, which effectively gave those ads even more exposure, and didn't cost a thing.
Unfortunately, if Bernie ran as a Democrat, and won the nomination, they would do the same thing, and even worse.
I hate to say it, but the elimination of the fairness doctrine, equal time doctrine, and deregulation and mega mergers in the media would be a huge, if not impossible obstacle to overcome.
Bernie would make a truly great president, but the demographic as it exists today has moved far more "joe mccarthy", and right wing since Reagan.
How would Bernie win a red state, or even a purple one in the bible belt. It would be tough, because he would need to get his message out, and I cannot see the media letting that happen, without distortion and lies. Look what they did to Howard Dean. They twisted his enthusiasm in the Iowa primary to paint him as "unstable", and then gave him very little time to respond, but had not problem having his critics respond.
The greatest risk to our Democracy is the lack of a free press, and ironically by the way the media is constructed today, that is effectively what has happened. 90% of the media is right wing. Every outlet cares only for ratings, and uses fox as their emulation
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)Keep kicking!
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)And the GOP is not going to give up their media monopoly without an ugly, bloody fight. Democrats are screwed.
I continue to be surprised every time someone starts a sentence about the MSM and a Democrat with "Why didn't they cover", or "When will they", or "I wish they'd have talked about".
The MSM will NOT do anything to help Democrats, for all the reasons you stated.
If they have Dems on their cable shows, it's to create the illusion of "balance". And it's usually either to denigrate the sitting President outright (the reason Tavis Smiley and Cornel West get ANY airtime whatsoever), and play divide and conquer. It sounds like Sanders evaded that trap.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)zazen
(2,978 posts)Honestly, I think 1/3 of Republicans need someone to explain to them that a populist fighting for economic justice will do more to promote what they call "traditional family values" than a Mitt Romney or a Libertarian. I think 1/3 of them are "reachable," as well as many lower-info on the fence independents.
Seriously, the golden 50s-60s (while also a result of unprecedented cheap oil and American imperialism) also had labor regs in place that enabled Dad to work and Mom to stay at home and supervise the kids, volunteer, build/maintain community, etc. The patriarchal set up the RW keeps advocating for all of us is now impossible among most classes unless there are living wages for a primary breadwinner. THAT's THE ARGUMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE. Many men erroneously associate the Democratic party with emasculation, even though corporatist policies have done more to erode their traditional economic power than any feminist movement. I don't agree with traditional masculinist norms, but if we can begin to disrupt that structured metaphorical gendering (a la Lakoff) of R-D equals Man-Woman, we can made a lot of headway for the future.
We know (here at DU) that that breadwinner can be a woman (and that both partners can be female, or that there's only one parent, or no children, or whatever), but the whole thing could be framed as a return to the best values of the 1930's-50's. Throw in some feminist homemakers to connect withe the homeschooling, root cellar, canning, gardening Christian Moms and you'll begin to start a grassroots upheaval in the Republican party.
DFW
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How much crud would a Toddchuck chuck
if a Toddchuck could chuck crud?
As much crud as a Toodchuck could
If a Toddchuck would chuck crud.
valerief
(53,235 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)was his absolute refusal to allow that little bootlicker to frame the conversation and divert to the same old, tired, partisan garbage.
He was focused on the People, The 99 percent, which is what this country desperately needs.
Go, Bernie...and I would be hiring a food tester about now.
valerief
(53,235 posts)ZX86
(1,428 posts)And then have Bernie come on and repeatedly trash them.
Sweet!!!
adirondacker
(2,921 posts)Americans by "creating" a paltry 60 thousand jobs.
Simple math 100 Billion divided by 60 thousand = 1666666.666666666666666666666666...MARK OF THE BEAST!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)Blue Owl
(49,902 posts)TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)tosh
(4,422 posts)This makes my day!
Uncle Joe
(58,107 posts)Thanks for the thread, TheNutcracker.
djean111
(14,255 posts)of his policies through Congress - I am very very concerned about how easily Hillary could get some of HER policies through Congress.
If the TPP has not been jammed down our gullets already, I think one of her priorities would be to push it through. Same for Keystone.
It struck me that, as an Independent, Bernie is more of a Democrat than an awful lot of Democrats.
antigop
(12,778 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)gordianot
(15,226 posts)As Robert Kennedy and Jerry Litton follower that line stands out to me. I cannot imagine the Toad using that line on a Republican Candidate.
Bernie stay off of small planes.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)And I love that he can't be "handled".
Run, Bernie, Run!!!
K&R
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)supercats
(429 posts)He was strong and on point!!!
democrank
(11,052 posts)glinda
(14,807 posts)That means he has to have a majorities in House and Senate.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Keep trying to drag democrats back to being....well democrats.
mackerel
(4,412 posts)stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)He's a propagandist that has zero desire to correct untruths that are spoken on his show. He has publicly stated this.
He knows his job is to divide, distract, and allow misinformation and lies to flow freely to the public. Again, this is why he got the job.
mackerel
(4,412 posts)Jake2413
(226 posts)Chuck is another MTP tool
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)I'd like to see this on the nooze cycles during the week!
Thanks everyone!!!!!
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)You can't help but hit the rec button after you watch the short clip of what a Sanders presidency would look like!
It's almost too good to even dream about....
NikolaC
(1,276 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)For Bernie Sanders!!!!
TexasTowelie
(111,287 posts)Yes, I'll vote for Bernie in the primaries and the general election if he decides to run.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Seriously, ewwww.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)C Moon
(12,188 posts)"Okay, Hillary didn't work, how about Obama?"
"Okay, Obama didn't work, how about the Democratic party as a whole?"
Todd is an obvious puppethe belongs on Fox!
Rock on Bernie!!! You saw what that jack ass was doing.
You made Todd look like a FOOOOOOOL!
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Go, Bernie.
I'm beginning to think that a Sanders/Warren ticket would be possible after all. The message is so clear and so appealing. The usual politicians dare not take the stances that Warren and Sanders take because their donors would abandon them. And if their donors abandoned them, they would have to answer for their voting records. That's something most of them could not do and remain electable.
Veganhealedme
(137 posts)totodeinhere
(13,034 posts)Veganhealedme
(137 posts)mdbl
(4,972 posts)Even though Tool tried to pigeon hole Sanders as some kind of fringe politician, which is exactly what the Koch bros will try to do.
djean111
(14,255 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)Bernie is the real thing. He has the expertise in politics. He tells it like it is. He is extremely supportive of the middle class, because he knows if the middle class fails/shrinks, this country we know today, will no longer exist. He is also right about the anger that is going on in politics and spot on with Citizens United. CU is sure to be the collapse of society. It must be stopped.
And the GOP is all in on CU. How ANYONE can support the GOP at this stage is insanity.
If we do not elect someone to support the middle class, we're all in for a very very rough ride ahead.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)olegramps
(8,200 posts)I believe that as much as I admire Senator Sanders that he could not get the nomination and certainly could not win a national election for presidency. He is totally committed to socialistic principles and will not compromise his unwavering support of the working class. I think that the bias of the MSM would paint him as a wild eyed communist. I can just imagine what the right wing fanatics would do when you consider what the Swift Boat liars did to Kerry.
His greatest asset in running for the nomination would be to force the Democrats to realign themselves with the working class and their struggle against the oligarchs who, with the support of ignoramus fundamentalists, are threating to destroy what remains of the middle class. It will take someone like Sanders to bring the stupid working class Republicans to realize they have allowed their racial hatred to commit to eventual economic suicide.
I associate with a lot of working class Republicans and even when their job has been outsourced or disappeared in the endless mergers they are unable to grasp the fact that their support for the Republican oligarchs has reduced them to a desperate state of poverty and working for minimal wages. They are so damn brainwashed that the actually blame their situation on Obama. I have very little problem grasping what took place in Germany bringing Hitler to power when I see my fellow Americans swallowing the propaganda spread by the likes of FOX and hundreds of radio outlets.
totodeinhere
(13,034 posts)call them, are the very reason why he would win. The American people are hungering for a candidate of principle who is not bought and paid for. IMO he would take 40 states.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)Its not that I don't admire him, always have, its just my take on the reality of the situation. We will have nearly two years to debate it. Best of regards. I can only wish that you are right in the end.
Reter
(2,188 posts)Zero chance Bernie could win against Bush III. Sucks but it would not happen.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)He closed drug courts, then allowed HIS daughter to use one out of jurisdiction.
His wifey? Got mad when he was "caught in the act" and moved out the the mansion, back to S. FLA. Then to get back at him, she went to Paris and shopped. When she returned, she went through customs and LIED. She actually had 20K worth of shit she lied about and tried to bring back into the country! Some say, she did it to embarrass Jebby, while governor. Regardless, a first lady she will never be. She is also the daughter of a Mexican mafia boss.
And, Jebby, the so called 'educational governor' is the one that signed vouchers into law, and began to suck out the tax dollars from public edu in Florida. Then he put in this 'testing', while he brother owned the software to correct it! Now it's common core. Jebby is transending his bullshit across the united states...and HE CANNOT WIN. Fla is still the mess he left it.
And, after VACATING, SO THE RECOUNT WOULD BE A FIASCO, DON'T THINK ANYONE HAS FORGOTTEN.
Look, Jebby is learning right now, not enough time has passed. And if you think a Bush/Clinton race again, will excite already pissed off voters, especially in Fla, you are mistaken.
Why do people parrot this "cannot win" thing, when it's Bernie or Warren who is the clear alternative? Liz says she's not running. Bernie says he's thinking he will!
Go Bernie.
Reter
(2,188 posts)Fact is nearly anyone is electable against Sanders. Cruz would even be a tossup. But we'll never know because he'll never come close to getting the nomination. It'll be Clinton vs. Bush or someone else. Doubt Paul can get the nomination.
Reminds me of someone on the old DU around 2004 who said Sharpton would beat Bush. Some people are just not realists.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)This....is.....telling!
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)That would be great....it's obvious no one else is creating such excitement, and real hope.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)Thanks Bernie Sanders
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)Yeah!
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)GO BERNIE!!!
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)The argument is lost on that DU thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025548755
It's time to get organized....for President Sanders!
TheKentuckian
(24,934 posts)TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)Though I don't expect to see him on MTP!