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polichick

(37,152 posts)
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 01:46 PM Sep 2014

When will Americans take on the biggest threat of all...

The forces that have destroyed the middle class, that have enslaved our children by robbing them of good jobs and saddling them with debt, that stand in the way of sane policies to address climate change; that have bought Congress, the Supreme Court, the White House, and democracy itself?

In comparison, ISIS is a small worry.

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When will Americans take on the biggest threat of all... (Original Post) polichick Sep 2014 OP
Not until we can stop them from buying the government. hifiguy Sep 2014 #1
And not until we take away their ownership of all media deutsey Sep 2014 #7
I could not agree more. Thanks for weighing in. ~nt~ 99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #2
K&R abelenkpe Sep 2014 #3
"If you threaten America, you will find no safe haven." B.O. polichick Sep 2014 #4
+1 leftstreet Sep 2014 #5
"If you threaten America, you will find no safe haven, hifiguy Sep 2014 #20
abso freakin lutely. liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #6
Weird. On the Bernie Sanders segment of Thom Hartmann's radio show today, Cleita Sep 2014 #8
At some point "the people" will have to find a way to set the agenda... polichick Sep 2014 #12
K&R. The well-orchestrated MIC cycle of destabilization -> crisis -> bombs -> profit. woo me with science Sep 2014 #9
PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #10
That should be an OP! hifiguy Sep 2014 #24
Thank-you for this post - and the kicks too! polichick Sep 2014 #38
Do You Have Any Suggestions That Might Work?? Lrobby99 Sep 2014 #11
imo more people have to recognize the real threat... polichick Sep 2014 #17
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #13
Hear, hear! k&r n/t Laelth Sep 2014 #14
K and R bigwillq Sep 2014 #15
A timeworn strategy of dictatorships is to deflect energy outward closeupready Sep 2014 #16
it is almost election time after all. We have to distract ourselves from thinking about liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #18
Yes. Of course, this has been the underlying agenda since Reagan. closeupready Sep 2014 #19
We would have to admit to gross wrong doing by the PTB and that ain't ever happening! Rex Sep 2014 #21
If Pres. Obama really wanted to be remembered for something important... polichick Sep 2014 #23
Yes! Rex Sep 2014 #25
K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2014 #22
It is! We have so many serious problems at home that are going to RKP5637 Sep 2014 #26
Themselves Pakid Sep 2014 #27
When Enough Realize RadicalGeek Sep 2014 #28
I cannot possibly Rec this enough. stage left Sep 2014 #29
+1 woo me with science Sep 2014 #31
Kick Oilwellian Sep 2014 #30
kick woo me with science Sep 2014 #32
Kick grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #33
K & Recommend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! onecent Sep 2014 #34
kick woo me with science Sep 2014 #35
Not until the entire financial market collapses again, but it'll be much worse Corruption Inc Sep 2014 #36
Since you haven't suggested a solution Progressive dog Sep 2014 #37
Assuming the OP is not an elected official, why are you asking HIM/HER for solutions? That is why sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #39
When they start to love wilderness, clean air & water, wildlife and the future for their children raouldukelives Sep 2014 #40

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
7. And not until we take away their ownership of all media
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 02:13 PM
Sep 2014

which isn't about to happen any time soon.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
4. "If you threaten America, you will find no safe haven." B.O.
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 02:09 PM
Sep 2014

Unless you're threatening regular Americans, and then we'll bend over backward to protect you. Hell, we'll even make sure to hand out a ton of new work visas so you don't have to pay those stagnant American wages anymore!

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
8. Weird. On the Bernie Sanders segment of Thom Hartmann's radio show today,
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 02:17 PM
Sep 2014

Bernie started explaining his understanding of the looming war with ISIS, but caller after caller started pulling him back to domestic issues and it struck me that these are the concerns of the average American. Even Bernie admits that when looming war sucks all the air out of the room, domestic problems get conveniently shucked aside.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
12. At some point "the people" will have to find a way to set the agenda...
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 03:13 PM
Sep 2014

But it looks like things will have to get considerably worse first.

It's an ugly train wreck to watch!

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
9. K&R. The well-orchestrated MIC cycle of destabilization -> crisis -> bombs -> profit.
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 02:24 PM
Sep 2014

Rinse in blood and repeat.

ISIS is not the first former "ally" we have ended up bombing.

We have a long history by which to evaluate the behavior of the MIC. This is part of a well-established pattern of crisis, intervention, destabilization, and crisis. It is a cycle, and it is linked to the military INDUSTRY which profits from it all. We have to stop reacting to the crises that the MIC's own behavior creates.

I'm going to link again to this post by JackRiddler that I think should have hundreds of recommendations:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025355401

Add in the one by IchingCarpenter for good measure: We are at this point bombing our own guns:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025359142

The MIC's own behavior ensures the continuation of this cycle of violence. As JackRiddler's post points out, there are things they could do to show good faith in actually trying to end the violence rather than perpetuating this cycle, but their behavior, and the behavior of US politicians, does exactly the opposite.

It's a racket. It's shock doctrine. We're always reacting to a crisis we helped create, and we ignore the ones behind the scenes getting filthy rich from it all. Meanwhile, our country is hollowed out from all our money being poured into war.

And more mothers will weep over graves, more nations will be devastated for profit, and the warmongers laugh all the way to a new private island.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
10. PLUS ONE, a huge bunch!
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 03:11 PM
Sep 2014
"It's a racket. It's shock doctrine. We're always reacting to a crisis we helped create, and we ignore the ones behind the scenes getting filthy rich from it all. Meanwhile, our country is hollowed out from all our money being poured into war."

polichick

(37,152 posts)
17. imo more people have to recognize the real threat...
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 03:21 PM
Sep 2014

...and the scams that have stolen our country, then stop allowing "them" to divide and conquer.

That would be a beginning.



Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
13. K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 03:14 PM
Sep 2014

The vultures are a far greater threat to the general welfare of the people of the United States.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
16. A timeworn strategy of dictatorships is to deflect energy outward
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 03:19 PM
Sep 2014

while fleecing citizens domestically. The European colonial powers did that in the 19th and 20th centuries, as do the oil kingdoms today.

While the US is not a dictatorship, it certainly does seem that DC elites employ that strategy regardless of party, with some success. They will continue to do it - why not? It's cheap, profitable, and it works most of the time.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
18. it is almost election time after all. We have to distract ourselves from thinking about
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 03:25 PM
Sep 2014

how Corporate America and Washington D.C. destroyed the middle class somehow.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
19. Yes. Of course, this has been the underlying agenda since Reagan.
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 03:41 PM
Sep 2014

The agenda still has unfinished business, such as looting the social security trust fund, and making the income tax regressive (in the form of a flat tax). Those are two just off the top of my head.

It's painful also to consider how most mainstream Democrats have colluded with Republicans to make life as an everyday American more taxing and tenuous.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
21. We would have to admit to gross wrong doing by the PTB and that ain't ever happening!
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 03:43 PM
Sep 2014

Much easier to keep the plutocracy going and just ignore the populace...not like we have a third or fourth choice.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
23. If Pres. Obama really wanted to be remembered for something important...
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 03:45 PM
Sep 2014

He would use his next State of the Union address to explain to the people what we're really up against.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
25. Yes!
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 03:47 PM
Sep 2014

Just lay it all out for us, don't be scared we will get mad...we are already mad. He might just do that! Not like he has to worry about being re-elected again.

RadicalGeek

(344 posts)
28. When Enough Realize
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 04:03 PM
Sep 2014

That the real threat to America's freedom comes from within. . .

We, I fear, are the exceptions.

 

Corruption Inc

(1,568 posts)
36. Not until the entire financial market collapses again, but it'll be much worse
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:46 PM
Sep 2014

Our currency will become almost worthless and the entire world will go into another depression.

Us Amurkens don't build bridges until somebody gets run over despite how many times we're told it's going to happen.

Progressive dog

(6,900 posts)
37. Since you haven't suggested a solution
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 08:59 AM
Sep 2014

to those "problems" , I'm assuming you don't have one. Do you propose we make a list of priorities and if we can't fix them in order, we just stop?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
39. Assuming the OP is not an elected official, why are you asking HIM/HER for solutions? That is why
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 12:03 PM
Sep 2014

we elect politicians. They tell us what they think the solutions are and then we choose the one we think has the best ideas to implement those solutions.

The problem is, what they SAY and what they DO it has become obvious, are often very different things.

If someone applies for the job of finding and implementing solutions and we give them the job, THAT is who you need to be questioning, not those who trusted them and gave them that job.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
40. When they start to love wilderness, clean air & water, wildlife and the future for their children
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 01:40 PM
Sep 2014

more than money.
For every person trying to address to those issues. Trying to GOTV for liberal candidates. There are 100 Wall St investors forming symbiotic relationships with the very corporations funding the efforts against achieving the goals we strive toward. Funding climate deniers, funding war, funding attacks on education and labor, funding efforts at denying minorities the vote. The deck is stacked mightily against those of us who would like to save a small slice of what this world used to be for future generations.
Some people try do to both. And bless them for at least trying to be better people. But in the end, for them, it is at best a zero sum game.

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