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Wed Apr 11, 2012, 10:50 PM

To all the right wing 'visitors' - why do you keep talking about the New Black Panthers???

I turn on your cable news station and there is Bill O talking about the New Black Panthers.
I go over to another political website and there are all these comments about the New Black Panthers.
Ooooo - are you trying to scare people?

Who gives a f*ck about them? Liberals don't!

They are a fringe group with 5? members.

They don't matter to anyone but YOU!

It is YOU that is giving them the attention they want, not liberals.
Not even Black Liberals.



Go back to telling people that President Obama was friends with Alinsky - who died when Obama was 10.

You guys really crack me up

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Reply To all the right wing 'visitors' - why do you keep talking about the New Black Panthers??? (Original post)
jillan Apr 2012 OP
Hugabear Apr 2012 #1
jillan Apr 2012 #3
K Gardner Apr 2012 #2
Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #4
Angry Dragon Apr 2012 #5
GoCubsGo Apr 2012 #54
jillan Apr 2012 #6
Zalatix Apr 2012 #23
jillan Apr 2012 #32
Lilyeye Apr 2012 #42
Arctic Dave Apr 2012 #7
Zalatix Apr 2012 #24
RZM Apr 2012 #8
freshwest Apr 2012 #9
Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #10
freshwest Apr 2012 #14
NOLALady Apr 2012 #11
freshwest Apr 2012 #16
Mopar151 Apr 2012 #48
treestar Apr 2012 #61
libodem Apr 2012 #15
freshwest Apr 2012 #17
libodem Apr 2012 #21
limpyhobbler Apr 2012 #37
freshwest Apr 2012 #38
limpyhobbler Apr 2012 #51
Sea-Dog Apr 2012 #62
NOLALady Apr 2012 #12
libodem Apr 2012 #19
emulatorloo Apr 2012 #26
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2012 #13
Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #18
libodem Apr 2012 #20
Hoyt Apr 2012 #28
jillan Apr 2012 #34
janx Apr 2012 #22
Brother Buzz Apr 2012 #25
freshwest Apr 2012 #30
Brother Buzz Apr 2012 #35
freshwest Apr 2012 #39
Brother Buzz Apr 2012 #46
Mc Mike Apr 2012 #45
Brother Buzz Apr 2012 #47
Mc Mike Apr 2012 #49
HiPointDem Apr 2012 #50
HiPointDem Apr 2012 #52
Mc Mike Apr 2012 #56
HiPointDem Apr 2012 #57
Mc Mike Apr 2012 #58
HiPointDem Apr 2012 #59
tex-wyo-dem Apr 2012 #27
Gurgen4 Apr 2012 #29
provis99 Apr 2012 #31
jillan Apr 2012 #33
Bucky Apr 2012 #36
HiPointDem Apr 2012 #40
Mc Mike Apr 2012 #44
ecstatic Apr 2012 #41
secondwind Apr 2012 #43
JHB Apr 2012 #53
hifiguy Apr 2012 #55
bigtree Apr 2012 #60

Response to jillan (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 10:52 PM

1. Scary black people

They fit the perfect stereotype of the Scary Black Person for rethugs.

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Response to Hugabear (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 10:57 PM

3. Yep - the right wing wackos are afraid of 5 Black people.

They are a joke.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 10:54 PM

2. Following orders from Captain Hannity of the White Brigade. n/t

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 11:00 PM

4. Any time faux shows clips of the "New Black Panthers"

It's always the same clip...the same three guys standing in the same place.

Bill Maher mentioned this. I don't think they have more than 3 members.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 11:01 PM

5. Allen West is a scary black man

and they love him ........... just a thought

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 08:45 AM

54. I'd rather have to deal with the NBPs than that kook.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the New Black Panthers are a bunch of actors hired by Rupert Murdoch. West, on the other hand, is a psychopath with political power. That's far more dangerous than three supposed thugs.

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Response to jillan (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:28 AM

23. We laugh at the New Black Panthers but we take the Tea Party seriously.

 

This planet is seriously upside-down.

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Response to Zalatix (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:48 AM

32. No - I am laughing at the republicans trying to scare their audience with bogeymen.

It's always someone.
Soros, Alinsky, Al Gore.

The teabaggers have effected politics - just look at the republican party.
The New Black Panthers haven't effected anybody - that's why I laugh at them.

The NBP are extremely anti-semitic, and I am Jewish, and I am not afraid of them, but Faux news watchers are.

Faux news is all about fear and they are tying the Trayvon case to the NBP - it's ridiculous.

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Response to Zalatix (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 01:33 AM

42. So when did the NBP start running the democratic party?

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 11:02 PM

7. The original Black Panthers don't consider them legitimate.

 

Keep trying angry right wingers. LOL

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:29 AM

24. whingers, not wingers.

 

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 11:09 PM

8. It's the same reason we talk about Westboro Baptist, Terry Jones, and the Neo-Nazis

 

Because they are complete morons. Same with the NBP. They are a small handful of racist dumbasses who do far more harm to their own side than they do to harm the other. That's why they are trumpeted by the right. In their idiocy, they end up making the opposite case, just as the groups in my headline do.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 11:21 PM

9. I think they turn them on somehow. They're obsessed with blacks 24/7. They have no lives.

I am sure they dream about blacks, imagine they are under their beds, in their closets, looking at them through their bathroom windows, maybe dancing in the dark in their front yard.

Honest to God, they spend more time talking about black people than blacks probably do, or more than any black person ever thinks about whites. They can't get their minds off of African-Americans.

What is it, are they jealous of their color, their hair or what they perceive as some advantage in the arts or sports or whatever it is? Anyone agree with me? Any other reasons?

I mean, WTH is wrong with conservatives?

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Response to freshwest (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 11:28 PM

10. You've nailed it. They have a mental disease that I have long called NOB (Negroes On the Brain)

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Response to Tom Ripley (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 11:50 PM

14. That sounds like it. They can't let a day go by without thinking about blacks. Every talk show nut,

Rush, Boortz, etc., and every POTUS candidate, like Santorum, Gingrich, etc., talking to all white crowds, just has to bring up blacks. NOB is right, because there are none in sight or listening to them.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 11:44 PM

11. And if they lived in a world

of all whites, they would turn on each other. They would probably go after all the black haired people first. And when they are left with all blonds, they will go after the dark eyed blondes.

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Response to NOLALady (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:00 AM

16. Their heads would explode in my neighborhood. They wouldn't know who to turn on.

In my building it's no use even bothering to figure out stereotypes. We have every imaginable combination of couples, and they all have kids.

All kinds of people, browns, blacks, whites and yellow in the old way of thinking, in every mixture one can imagine. You can't figure out the languages, you can't tell where they came from, they are just all here and happy. The kids don't notice as far as I can tell, and neither do the older people. We've got the different kinds clothing, too.

Nobody has a problem. I think this is a huge success story here. And all kinds of income levels, too, for the RWers who think they are paying for us to be happy, no, you are not. We're doing well.

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Response to NOLALady (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 03:17 AM

48. They already turn on each other, constantly!

A whit of difference in ideological purity, and they start backbiting like only idiots can do. Look at all the Evangelicals who foam at the mouth about Mormonisim.

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Response to NOLALady (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 10:10 AM

61. Good point!

Yes, they would. And yet the suggest there is not as much violence where people are of a similar ethnicity. Little realizing they would just start the Catholic/Protestant wars all over again even if they could live in a society of Christians only, for example.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 11:58 PM

15. Maybe the weak white sauce O'Liely

Is jealous of the studly factor, and the athletic build factor, and the year round brown factor. Hannity go suck rocks and stare at the sun. You're a goon and a racist.

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Response to libodem (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:04 AM

17. I haven't watched those brownshirts in years, I hope they get run off the air.

And I think you have a point. Feelings of inadequacy lead some people to drag others to their own level. Or else simply sowing hatred and dissension for money. I'd rather be broke than do that.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #17)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:23 AM

21. You and me both

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Response to freshwest (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:59 AM

37. Totally. Fox is obsessed with black people. It's really weird.



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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #37)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 01:02 AM

38. It's like they really want to be black, maybe?

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Response to freshwest (Reply #38)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 04:52 AM

51. I think maybe they're just pandering to their racist viewers.

But then they also end up reinforcing those views. It's a bigotry feedback loop. They also enjoy hearing about "illegal immigration", "the gay agenda", and how to control everyone's vaginas. I get the impression they tend to present Black people in the news stories as stereotypes. Either angry militants or gangsters or clowns or "welfare queens". Just an impression, not a research study. I know they do have some Black people on as commentators and stuff, but a lot of them seem kind of phony to me, like all the Fox commentators, they just seem to read whatever they are told and then collect the paycheck.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 10:52 AM

62. i thought for a minute you said 'in their beds'

 

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 11:46 PM

12. I don't think the NBPP is legit.

I believe they are paid agitators. No one takes them seriously.

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Response to NOLALady (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:17 AM

19. I think it is a faked up front

To cause entrapment of anyone seeking to get involved with a phony britebart okeefe beck propaganda faux homeland security, home group. We have more spy money loose in this country to invade our right to privacy than the budget for any other spying. I betchya.

(I probably inspired them and had to step back.) Kidding.

Power to the people. Big black fist in the air. Equal rights for sex, race, religion, disability, whatever, whomever,wherever, whenever, Amen

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Response to NOLALady (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:31 AM

26. Always seemed like a Breitbart/James O'Keefe type production to me

Low budget, tacky, made for Fox News.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 11:48 PM

13. They need a boogie man

Nothing frightens them more than black guys.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:09 AM

18. Bill Maher's New Rules on this was great. I'll try to recall

 

New rule. You can't keep trying to make the New Black Panthers into a national threat until they recruit a fourth guy. I refuse to be afraid of any domestic terrorist group with fewer members than The Spinners.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:19 AM

20. Funny guy

I wish I had cable. I watch his clips when I can.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:32 AM

28. You nailed it. The photos were perfect, making it a really funny/true bit.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:51 AM

34. I loved it when he did his bit on Alinsky.

Who?



Bill Maher cracks me up.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:23 AM

22. Lovely!

Thanks, jillan.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:30 AM

25. There Is No New Black Panther Party: An Open Letter From the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation

Last edited Thu Apr 12, 2012, 01:14 AM - Edit history (1)

In response from numerous requests from individual's seeking information on the "New Black Panthers," the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation issues this public statement to correct the distorted record being made in the media by a small band of African Americans calling themselves the New Black Panthers. As guardian of the true history of the Black Panther Party, the Foundation, which includes former leading members of the Party, denounces this group's exploitation of the Party's name and history. Failing to find its own legitimacy in the black community, this band would graft the Party's name upon itself, which we condemn.

Firstly, the people in the New Black Panthers were never members of the Black Panther Party and have no legitimate claim on the Party's name. On the contrary, they would steal the names and pretend to walk in the footsteps of the Party's true heroes, such as Black Panther founder Huey P. Newton, George Jackson and Jonathan Jackson, Bunchy Carter, John Huggins, Fred Hampton, Mark Cark, and so many others who gave their very lives to the black liberation struggle under the Party's banner.

Secondly, they denigrate the Party's name by promoting concepts absolutely counter to the revolutionary principles on which the Party was founded. Their alleged media assault on the Ku Klux Klan serves to incite hatred rather than resolve it. The Party's fundamental principle, as best articulated by the great revolutionary Ernesto "Che" Guevara, was: "A true revolutionary is guided by great feelings of love." The Black Panthers were never a group of angry young militants full of fury toward the "white establishment." The Party operated on love for black people, not hatred of white people.

Furthermore, this group claims it would "teach" the black community about armed self-defense. The arrogance of this claim is overwhelmed by its reactionary nature. Blacks, especially in the South, have been armed in self-defense for a very long time; indeed, the spiritual parent of the Party itself was the Louisiana-based Deacons for Defense. However, the Party understood that the gun was not necessarily revolutionary, for the police and all other oppressive forces had guns. It was the ideology behind the gun that determined its nature.

Because the Party believed that only the masses of people would make the revolution, the Party never presumed itself to be above the people. The Party considered itself a servant of the people and taught by example. Given massive black hunger, the Party provided free breakfast for children and other free food programs. In the absence of decent medical facilities in the black community, the Party operated free medical clinics. In the face of police brutality, the Party stood up and resisted. Considering the overwhelming number of blacks facing trials and long prison terms, the Party developed free legal aids and bussing-to-prison programs.

The question the Foundation raises, then, is who are these people laying claim to the Party's history and name? Are they reactionary provocateurs, who would instigate activities counterproductive to the people's interests, causing mayhem and death? Are they entertainers, who would posture themselves before the media, and, according to numerous sources, with empty guns, to spin gold for themselves? Are they, given the history of their late-leader Khalid Muhammad, a group of anti-Semites like the very Ku Klux Klan they allegedly oppose? What is their agenda?

Conditions for blacks in America today are worse than when the Black Panther Party was formed in 1966. Blacks in the main continue to live in poverty; disproportionate percentages of blacks die from AIDS and cancer, as the black infant mortality rate continues to be double that of whites. There is a desperate need for liberation agenda. The Black Panther Party unarguably set the example, espousing principles and a history that certainly should be embraced by all those still struggling for freedom. Rather than appropriating the Party's name, however, groups that purport to represent African Americans ought to follow the Party's true historical example. In the absence of such commitment, the Foundation denounces the usurpation of the Black Panther Party name by this questionable band of self-appointed leaders.

For further reading on the Black Panther Party, please visit our website at www.blackpanther.org. Books by and about the Black Panthers can also be purchased online through this site. Suggested reading includes Revolutionary Suicide, To Die for the People, War Against the Panthers, This Side of Glory, and A Taste of Power.

http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #25)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:35 AM

30. This should be the final word to the FOX demagogues. Thanks.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #30)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:53 AM

35. If Fox was fair and balanced, they would have had Bobby Seale speak eons ago

Wonder why they haven't?

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #35)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 01:17 AM

39. Well, he was way before their time. I think they believe history began in 1983 with Reagan. I was

Grossed out the other day to see O'Reilly's book on the Civil War being purchased by a young couple who probably don't know anything about O'Reilly. I can just imagine the garbage that propagandist wrote in it.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #39)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 02:23 AM

46. The Ford Theater bookstore rejected O'Reiley's book - lack of documentation and the factual errors

Seriously, I was tickled to find O'Reilly's book on the Lincoln assassination misfiled in with the fiction at my library; those wacky library workers have a keen sense of humor. True story.

Governor Reagan was plotting and planning with Hoover against the Black Panther party in the late sixties; COINTELPRO (Counter Intelligence Program) attacks against the Black Panther party intensified in late '68 through '69. Those were crazy times. I knew Pirkle Jones (family friend and photography mentor) and was fairly hip to what was going on for a teenager. This was one of his poignant images that was branded into my mind:

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #25)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 01:53 AM

45. + 1, (99%)

But Elaine Brown is not legit. 'A Taste of Power' should be caveated on the suggested reading list.

Thanks for the info in your post, BB.

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Response to Mc Mike (Reply #45)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 02:39 AM

47. I don't disagree but Elaine Brown played a part in it

I'm of the opinion the party was mortally wounded long before Elaine Brown came to power.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #47)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 03:18 AM

49. True. I did read her book when it was released, but

if you watched the coverage she got during her book release, both televised and print, you could see that she was pushing government sponsored lies about the Panthers. I saw her being interviewed at that time on a television show, along with Dave Hilliard. He seems to be great, (and he wasn't with her, just sharing the same interview) but she promoted the gov's fake propaganda charges of misogyny, organized crime thuggery, etc., against the Panthers. This was decades after Sieze the Time refuted those charges, and she just recycled them. I'd rather hear from Ericka Huggins or Angela Davis, than hear any further from Brown.

She didn't mortally wound the panthers, but she helped Cointelpro nail the lid on the coffin, then decades later, danced on the grave for money.

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Response to Mc Mike (Reply #49)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 04:12 AM

50. Interesting.

 

Brown grew up in the ghetto of North Philadelphia, with a single, working mother and an absent father. Despite desperate poverty Brown’s mother worked to provide for Elaine’s private schooling, music lessons, and nice clothing...

Upon arriving in California... she met Jay Kennedy, a married white fiction writer, and the two became lovers.... Jay Richard Kennedy (aka Jay Richard Solomonick)... was, she says, a white man who 'taught her how to appreciate her blackness' and that his love caused her to join 'The Movement'...Kennedy was in fact then CIA U.S. Domestic Security Branch Informant A.


Jay Richard Kennedy was the agency's KEY informant within Rev. Martin Luther King's inner circle. Historically, Jay Richard Kennedy was in fact from 1939-1942 an agent of the US Bureau of Narcotics assigned to Latin America. During WWII, Kennedy became an agent of the OSS. He later was in short order, manager for both Frank Sinatra and Harry Belafonte (who summarily fired him), a part owner of the Sands Hotel in Las Vegas, full owner of a prominent Wall Street brokerage that bore his name, a sitting member of the New York Stock Exchange, owner of an electronics firm in Canada specializing in radio proximity artillery fuses for the US military in Vietnam, and from the late 1960s, concurrently, head of the American Psychological Association.

Civil Rights historians have long questioned why amongst all 'prominent' Black Panther Party leaders, only Brown has no FOIA file of any length, whilst files of other Panther leaders were frequently as long as twenty thousand pages. This is especially glaring as Brown was the Chairman of the Party for several years. Additionally, Brown was demonstrably the ONLY Panther national leader never to have been extensively incarcerated or exiled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_Brown

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #50)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 05:02 AM

52. one thread leads to another...

 

I thought I knew about all of the dirty tricks Hoover’s FBI unleashed -- the red-baiting smear campaigns against civil rights leaders, most prominently Martin Luther King, Jr., as well as entertainers, writers and journalists, scores of whom Hoover helped ruin.

But a story Belafonte tells in “Sing Your Song” nearly made me throw up.

In the 1950s, the singer relates, he was having trouble adjusting to his almost instant fame and riches. He sought emotional counseling from a Columbia university professor by the name of Janet Alterman Kennedy.

She persuaded him to replace his business manager. Her idea for a replacement: her husband, Jay Richard Kennedy...

According to FBI files obtained years later under the Freedom of Information Act, Jay Kennedy, born Samuel R. Solomonick, was an FBI informant. His wife almost certainly was an FBI asset, too, Belafonte says in retrospect.

“Why had Janet, in my sessions with her, kept trying to worm out information about Paul Robeson,” the hugely popular Black baritone, “if not to pass it to her husband?” Belafonte writes in the book accompanying (and expanding on) the film...

in those terrible days of Red Scares and witch-hunts. Belafonte would eventually be black-listed, too, his career a shambles.

And so it went. Year after sickening year...

http://spytalkblog.blogspot.com/2011/11/why-nothing-said-about-j-edgar-hoover.html

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #50)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:11 AM

56. It's been ~ 20 years since I read 'A Taste'

But I think that creep J. R. Kennedy was also involved in demolishing the Motown music scene.

Brown looks very suspicious, but Huggins and Davis are still in the game, doing good.

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Response to Mc Mike (Reply #56)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:19 AM

57. how was he involved in motown?

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #57)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 01:21 PM

58. Sorry HPD, can't give you a link.

Your post # 50 is the # 4 result in hits on Yahoo for jrkcia (so I'm chasing our tail on-line on this issue), and Yahoo result # 3 is an amusing discussion from a dot com (called 'whose media' drums in the global village). Basically a fight between several high level 'panthers' with CIA ties -- Malik Shabaaz, Katherine Cleaver, Elaine Brown, Geronimo Pratt. Here's why I say that:

Post 31 on this site has a good link from the SPLC about Malik Shabazz, the fake new black panther. If you combine Dallas, Farrakhan' NOI, a designation as a hate group, and the repug effort to make these new paper panthers into a credible underground conspiracy (the point of the original post here), if you combine them all into one neat package like Shabaaz's outfit represents, you're looking at 'the government' and intelligence agencies, as well as repug campaign media propaganda efforts. 'The government' isn't just the Obama Admin, it's also 'old hands' who are holding power over the course of many presidential administrations.

The Cleavers' connections with the CIA are undoubtable.

Pratt took over the LA Panthers when Ms. Huggins' husband was killed by Karenga's United Slaves outfit. (Seale discussed Karenga's Los Angeles gas station venture as being backed by the Rockefellers in 'Sieze The Time'. CIA.) Newton didn't trust Pratt, and Pratt is connected to Ward Churchill(CIA) through 'Studies on the Left' magazine. Churchill is a 'professor' like Karenga (who used to be Ron Everett, before all his name changes.) 'Pratt and LA' is important because the Wiki info on Jay Richard Kennedy and Brown put them in the music business, and LA, at that time.

Wiki's Elaine Brown info has her moving to LA around '61, to be a pro songwriter, but she winds up working in a wise guy strip bar, and meets the CIA's Kennedy. It also indicates her cutting records for the Panthers in '68 and '73, but whether she recorded in LA or Motown isn't indicated.

Wiki of Motown shows they had 110 top 10 records from '61 to '71. They started moving to LA in '69, (after Bunchy Carter and John Huggins were assassinated and Pratt took over the LA Panthers) and Motown completed the move by '72.

I tried to get an on-line link for you on Kennedy and Motown, that avoids citing wiki and Brown's autobiography, since my caveat on 'A Taste of Power' started the whole original conversation, and I don't really like citing wiki. But I couldn't. I don't own the book, but read it from the library in '93. I dug up a hard-copy Essence Magazine article from Feb. of '93, that promotes her book (starts on p. 58), but she spends too much time bashing Newton in it, to mention her musical career and CIA friend Kennedy. I have an absract from New York Times Magazine for 1-31-93, page 20, by author Rosemary L. Bray, but no way to get the Times site to cough it up. It interviews Brown about her book, her early life in Hollywood, and her relationship with Jay Kennedy. Ms. Bray seems to be good, unlike Brown, and she used to edit the NY Times Magazine, but I can't get it on-line for you.

So to bite the bullet, all I can say it that Brown's 'Taste' discusses Kennedy more thoroughly than I can find available in internet sources. He went to Motown, or Motown came to him in LA. He was involved in representing acts, and on the business end of Motown, according to Brown. She wasn't blowing the whistle on him, she was discussing his accomplishments. That's what I remember about her discussion of Kennedy in her book, but my memory doesn't prove anything to you. When Motown got broke is a matter of individual listeners' taste. I think the complete move to LA killed it, but some good music lingered in Detroit and LA, even after that. Then those sparks faded too.


So to cut to the chase, I can't prove a connection on-line between the CIA's Kennedy and Motown, and must recommend Elaine Brown's book for further reference(!) Lifes a bitch, sometimes, I guess. I won't be re-reading it myself, because I disliked and distrusted Brown enough the first time around. I'm sorry that I couldn't get something credible for you as a link on-line, and hopefully I didn't waste your time with the long response.

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Response to Mc Mike (Reply #58)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 05:29 AM

59. thanks, interesting.

 

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:32 AM

27. You see, this all plays into the...

Scare tactic of a massive radical left-wing/liberal/socialist/communist conspiracy...you know the same one that wants to take your guns away, kill the "free" market system through global warming policy, give all the power to the government and take your liberties away. The "New Black Panthers" is a perfect foil for this meme, even though they are a tiny fringe group that no one gives a shit about except for faux snooze.

Their notion of a massive left-wing conspiracy is similar to our notion of a massive right-wing/corporatist/fascist conspiracy, only we have reams of data and bold-faced reality to draw our conclusions from...the basis for their fear is bullshit conjecture, wishful thinking and fairy tales.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:34 AM

29. Thanks for posting this.

 

I'm tired of hearing white racists talk about these supposedly "threatening" groups like the NBPP or La Raza just because they represent minorities. The Black Panther Party has no history of violence (only in the right-wing media is this claim ever made), white neo-Nazis on the other hand have committed thousands of acts of terrorism killing hundreds of people, second to only Islamic terrorism. No I'm not saying that the NBPP is completely free from controversy (their anti-semitism is one thing that they should be called out on) but then there are no groups which are perfect and have never done any wrong either so we either criticize everyone or we criticize nobody.

There are far greater enemies we as a country should focus our attention on. There are human rights abuses going on all over the world; Iran has threatened to wipe Israel off the map just for being a Jewish country. Anyone who thinks the NBPP with all there 5 members are some sort of threat, when compared with, the KKK or say Iran, really needs to get a reality check.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:47 AM

31. the New Black Panthers: two guys from Dallas.

 

number of white supremacist hate groups (groups, not members) in Texas: 32.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map#s=TX

that about says it.

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Response to provis99 (Reply #31)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:49 AM

33. Exactly!

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:56 AM

36. New Black Panthers are the Prescott Bush Nazi investments of the left

politically embarrassing among the fringe, but not particularly relevant to anything going on now.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 01:18 AM

40. NBP seem to be led by ex-Nation of Islam people, and their ideology is supposedly Ron karenga's --

 

the guy who invented kwansa and used to head the Panther's rivals, US. I didn't realize it, but Karenga's relationship with NOI apparently preceded the formation of US.

But I swear I read about the NBP years ago and at that time, the son of a famous Panther was part of it -- maybe Geronimo Pratt's son? I can't remember, but I remember having the impression the group was legit at the time and no impression it had anything to do with NOI.

When former Nation of Islam (NOI) minister Khalid Abdul Muhammad became the national chairman of the NBPP from the late 1990s until his death in 2001, the group attracted many breakaway members of the NOI. The NBPP is currently led by Malik Zulu Shabazz; it upholds Khalid Abdul Muhammad as the de facto father of the movement.

Although the NBPP says it sees capitalism as the fundamental problem with the world and "revolution" as the solution, the new party does not draw its influences from Marxism or Maoism as the original party did. Instead, it promotes the Kawaida theory of Maulana Karenga, which includes black unity, collective action, and cooperative economics. The NBPP says it fights the oppression of black and brown people and that its members are on top of current issues facing black communities across the world. Also, it notes that not all its members are members of the Nation of Islam, though the group acknowledges universal "spirituality" practices within the organization.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #40)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 01:45 AM

44. + 1 Thanks. NT

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 01:25 AM

41. I'm all for freedom of speech, but FNC

needs to be shut down or recategorized/renamed. They are NOT a news network.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 01:33 AM

43. This must be their 'flavor of the week'... the BP are being mentioned



all over the political discussion pages on FB, from Paul Ryan page to the Reagan page.

Karl Rove must have inserted this in the memo.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 07:03 AM

53. Charlatan Tactics 101: Tell them what, deep down, they REALLY want to hear

Psychic version: Tell people you can contact their dead loved ones... and give cold readings so that you can glean just enough information from them that they'll believe it's a miracle when you use it to make whatever else you tell them convincing. After all, they want to believe they can have some contact with their loved ones again.

Neocon in the 70s and 80s version: give dire warnings of Soviet capabilities and intentions, leavened with analysis that none of your audience is really in a position to fact-check (after all, you are the "Soviet expert" and it's not as if the Roooskies are going to cooperate (and wouldn't be believed if they did)). After all, the "hawks", "hardliners", and "anti-communists" who make up your audience want to believe their worst fears are true! That "I was right! and those wheedling softies are selling us to our doom!" It gets a lot more attention (and room for advancement) than telling them that their fears are overblown and the Soviets are moribund and decaying.

"Do you want another Santo Domingo?" version: Blacks (except for a handful of OK ones) are just raring to rampage and kill everyone, except that they're too shiftless to do it unless some one riles them up. After all, it's not racist to think like that, it's just telling it like it is. And there! There are (you know whos) just hankering to do it! If they stir the rest up, well, that's why you should stock up on guns and ammo.


NBPP gets airtime (especially on FOX) because it lets some people tell themselves that their worst, nastiest fears and opinions are right, that they are not bad people for thinking it and saying it, and it's all those other people who are wrong, and dangerous because they are so wrong and blind.

Validation sells.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 10:36 AM

55. They're racist assholes

stirring up other assholes with The Threat of Scary Negroes.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 07:27 AM

60. because they're adorable



( . . . not the same ones? oh. alright.)

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