| Author | Time | Post | |
| stevenleser | Apr 2012 | OP | |
| kysrsoze | Apr 2012 | #1 | |
| Poll_Blind | Apr 2012 | #2 | |
| seabeyond | Apr 2012 | #3 | |
| Lizzie Poppet | Apr 2012 | #4 | |
| orwell | Apr 2012 | #5 | |
| Jamaal510 | Apr 2012 | #14 | |
| left coaster | Apr 2012 | #36 | |
| ZombieHorde | Apr 2012 | #16 | |
| stevenleser | Apr 2012 | #6 | |
| seabeyond | Apr 2012 | #13 | |
| stevenleser | Apr 2012 | #19 | |
| tex-wyo-dem | Apr 2012 | #37 | |
| freshwest | Apr 2012 | #31 | |
| Whisp | Apr 2012 | #7 | |
| CakeGrrl | Apr 2012 | #8 | |
| hifiguy | Apr 2012 | #9 | |
| bullwinkle428 | Apr 2012 | #10 | |
| Ken Burch | Apr 2012 | #11 | |
| Zalatix | Apr 2012 | #15 | |
| Egalitarian Thug | Apr 2012 | #27 | |
| KG | Apr 2012 | #12 | |
| PassingFair | Apr 2012 | #17 | |
| treestar | Apr 2012 | #18 | |
| Dragonfli | Apr 2012 | #20 | |
| Pilotguy | Apr 2012 | #21 | |
| samplegirl | Apr 2012 | #22 | |
| meeksgeek | Apr 2012 | #23 | |
| Electric Monk | Apr 2012 | #24 | |
| stevenleser | Apr 2012 | #25 | |
| LeftishBrit | Apr 2012 | #32 | |
| Skittles | Apr 2012 | #34 | |
| Incitatus | Apr 2012 | #41 | |
| Fumesucker | Apr 2012 | #26 | |
| xtraxritical | Apr 2012 | #40 | |
| Fumesucker | Apr 2012 | #43 | |
| RKP5637 | Apr 2012 | #28 | |
| craigmatic | Apr 2012 | #29 | |
| stevenleser | Apr 2012 | #30 | |
| ErikJ | Apr 2012 | #33 | |
| stevenleser | Apr 2012 | #35 | |
| rhett o rick | Apr 2012 | #38 | |
| Quixote1818 | Apr 2012 | #39 | |
| Uncle Joe | Apr 2012 | #42 | |
| 4lbs | Apr 2012 | #44 | |
| Glaisne | Apr 2012 | #45 | |
| nolabear | Apr 2012 | #46 | |
| andym | Apr 2012 | #47 | |
| Tarheel_Dem | Apr 2012 | #48 |
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 01:31 PM
kysrsoze (3,320 posts)
1. yeah, that's pretty much it. nice illustration.
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 01:33 PM
Poll_Blind (23,156 posts)
2. SO true! K&R! nt
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PB
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 01:40 PM
seabeyond (85,892 posts)
3. so, when white men say they do not hold privilege, .... it is about class
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look at that man that at the determent to himself, lives his privilege, regardless of class.
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Response to seabeyond (Reply #3)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 01:52 PM
Lizzie Poppet (2,345 posts)
4. "Privilege" implies benefit.
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What actual, substantive benefit does the guy on the left derive from being white?
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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #4)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 01:59 PM
orwell (5,711 posts)
5. Not getting shot...
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...while carrying Skittles and iced tea?
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Response to orwell (Reply #5)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:50 PM
Jamaal510 (3,128 posts)
14. Also
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not being accused of being a foreigner if he becomes president.
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Response to orwell (Reply #5)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 09:35 PM
left coaster (1,090 posts)
36. Oh, and he's a male, so he isn't being told what he can and cannot do with his own body.
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You know, like what's happening to women. Regardless of our color.
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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #4)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 03:06 PM
ZombieHorde (23,826 posts)
16. When he gets a job, no thinks it is because of affirmative action.
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When he gets a job, he may get paid more than a woman.
When he goes shopping, he isn't followed. When he travels down the road, he doesn't suspicious. |
Response to seabeyond (Reply #3)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:01 PM
stevenleser (13,249 posts)
6. I think the photo makes the opposite argument.
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Last edited Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:03 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) I think the wealth privilege of the man on the right enables him to not only live an opulent lifestyle, it enables him and those like him to use the political and media infrastructure of the country to fool non-wealthy people into voting against their own interests.
But I want to make sure my position is clear, Gender, Orientation, Race and various other factors are all powerful impacts on a persons privilege or lack thereof. However, I believe that wealth is more powerful still. |
Response to stevenleser (Reply #6)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:44 PM
seabeyond (85,892 posts)
13. then, you would be arguing your own photo
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Last edited Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:45 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
because of his racism, sexism and homophobia he votes repug. and how do you believe these people are able to sit in those positions? thru the feel of superiority. and where do they get that feel? the patriarchy. and what does the patriarchy create for white man? privilege. |
Response to seabeyond (Reply #13)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 03:21 PM
stevenleser (13,249 posts)
19. Nope, it does not require privilege to be a bigot. Absolutely not. (Edited...)
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Last edited Wed Apr 11, 2012, 03:46 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) The entire point of the person on the left is that his opinion is irrational in every way. He is not making those statements in some sort of enlightened state of recognizing his privilege.
There is no possibly way that " 'gays' are ruining his life" or women, minorities, etc. He has been duped by the man on the right and others like him to believe that. |
Response to stevenleser (Reply #19)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 11:02 PM
tex-wyo-dem (2,100 posts)
37. Exactly...
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The guy on the left lives in a state of ignorance with a complete lack of a greater world view. His thinking is narrow-minded, provincial, etc and he feels he is absolutely right and everyone else who doesn't think like he does is not only wrong, but un-American, a socialist or communist (the same thing as a liberal), a threat to his "liberty". He also equates "liberty" as the "free" market system, free of big government intervention/regulations. Gays are a threat to his "traditional American values", illegals are a threat to his job and blacks are a threat to his safety.
The guy on the right knows exactly how the guy on the left thinks and uses it to get millions just like him to elect people who will turn his one bag-o-cash into 20. The guy on the left doesn't realize that the guy on the right is fucking him over blind while using him to work against his own interests. The guy on the right is very happy about being able to dupe dupes and make tons of $$$ in the process. He doesn't give a shit about gays, illegals, blacks or even the good ole U.S. Of A. The only thing he cares about is profit. |
Response to stevenleser (Reply #6)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 06:57 PM
freshwest (31,239 posts)
31. Agreed, it cuts across all physical differences. The wealthy, despite the reputation of promoting
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Last edited Wed Apr 11, 2012, 06:58 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Hatred among the various qualities of human beings, are not confined by those prejudices and illusions. Thus it is the responsibility of those lower down to discard them.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:03 PM
Whisp (17,143 posts)
7. this is right on the money!
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:04 PM
CakeGrrl (9,029 posts)
8. Nails it.
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:11 PM
hifiguy (13,029 posts)
9. How true, how true. nt
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:14 PM
bullwinkle428 (11,382 posts)
10. Fox News : Rich people paying middle-class people to tell poor people
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to hate minorities! (credit to John Fugelsang)
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:24 PM
Ken Burch (31,216 posts)
11. On one level, this is sort of funny...on another, it may actually hurt our work
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In order to truly flip this country, we've got to find some way to break through the false consciousness that drives people like the guy in the overalls.
This kind of humor works on the assumption that there's no chance of that and that those people should be treated like they're dead losses. Do we really have the luxury of going there? |
Response to Ken Burch (Reply #11)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:51 PM
Zalatix (8,994 posts)
15. I am not so sure about that.
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I think it suggests that we cut off the propaganda from guy on the right, and that could solve the problem.
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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #11)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 05:30 PM
Egalitarian Thug (7,005 posts)
27. Thankfully we don't, because he will never, ever under any circumstances vote for
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any candidate or party that fails to pander to his unassailable ignorance and superstition. I say thankfully because their numbers are dwindling to insignificance.
They know they are ignorant, they know that they are simply mules to be worked to death by their "betters" and they are proud of it. |
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:37 PM
KG (23,252 posts)
12. i'd speculate the on the right doesn't vote all, and cares not which party is in power.
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 03:08 PM
PassingFair (20,429 posts)
17. Four S's
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Selfish
Superstitious Stupid Scared Any of the above will produce a Republican vote. |
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 03:09 PM
treestar (40,398 posts)
18. That about says it
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I know so many of the type on the left. They're white. That's what they got. They want to keep that.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 03:40 PM
Dragonfli (5,051 posts)
20. That IS pretty good /nt
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 03:45 PM
Pilotguy (410 posts)
21. Brilliant!!!
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 03:52 PM
samplegirl (5,581 posts)
22. Talk about the Truth...
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This nails it!
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 05:03 PM
meeksgeek (186 posts)
23. I am a white male
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and I am neither of those two stereotypes.
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Response to meeksgeek (Reply #23)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 05:12 PM
Electric Monk (7,677 posts)
24. Do you vote Republican?
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Response to meeksgeek (Reply #23)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 05:22 PM
stevenleser (13,249 posts)
25. That's good. And? nt
Response to meeksgeek (Reply #23)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 07:19 PM
LeftishBrit (29,610 posts)
32. I don't think anyone was implying that all white males resemble these stereotypes
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I think it was about wealthy Republicans using divide-and-rule tactics to get some working-class people to vote against their own interests.
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Response to meeksgeek (Reply #23)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 09:27 PM
Skittles (86,204 posts)
34. if you are voting repuke
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and are not in the top .001 % financially, you're an idiot
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Response to meeksgeek (Reply #23)
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:38 AM
Incitatus (4,175 posts)
41. Your response indicates that you vote Republican, so your time here is obviously limited.
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So please tell us, why do you vote for them. Take this one chance, if your reasons are just, maybe you will convince at least one person. What your your problems with the Democrats and why are Republicans better? Avoid ad hominem attacks and your post might last a while.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 05:23 PM
Fumesucker (31,549 posts)
26. And everyone that looks like that thinks that way..
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You can tell how someone votes by looking at their race and apparent class.
Right? |
Response to Fumesucker (Reply #26)
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:30 AM
xtraxritical (2,919 posts)
40. Fumesucker is right, what's race got to do with it?
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To many reverse racists here.
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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #40)
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:50 AM
Fumesucker (31,549 posts)
43. I see it more as prejudice and bigotry than racism..
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Thinking that you can tell everything about someone by their physical appearance isn't necessarily racism but it's certainly prejudice and could well be bigotry.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 05:42 PM
RKP5637 (25,580 posts)
28. That picture sums it up well! n/t
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 05:46 PM
craigmatic (3,200 posts)
29. Issues like racism and gay bashing are a motherfucker because if they didn't exist as wedge
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issues this country wouldn't just be democratic but full blown socialist as well.
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Response to craigmatic (Reply #29)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 05:56 PM
stevenleser (13,249 posts)
30. Not sure if I agree. If you erase homophobia from the Republican agenda, I think some LGBT would be
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Republicans, perhaps more than some. As a group, LGBT folks earn more and have more disposable income than straights, that makes them a better target for GOP tax policies. Hard to say for sure, but it seems likely. I think that explains Log Cabins.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 08:17 PM
ErikJ (2,580 posts)
33. From "Age of Ignorance"
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Review:
......In the past, if someone knew nothing and talked nonsense, no one paid any attention to him. No more. Now such people are courted and flattered by conservative politicians and ideologues as “Real Americans” defending their country against big government and educated liberal elites. The press interviews them and reports their opinions seriously without pointing out the imbecility of what they believe. The hucksters, who manipulate them for the powerful financial interests, know that they can be made to believe anything, because, to the ignorant and the bigoted, lies always sound better than truth: Christians are persecuted in this country. The government is coming to get your guns. Obama is a Muslim. Global Warming is a hoax. The president is forcing open homosexuality on the military. Schools push a left-wing agenda. Social Security is an entitlement, no different from welfare. Obama hates white people. The life on earth is 10,000 years old and so is the universe. The safety net contributes to poverty. The government is taking money from you and giving it to sex-crazed college women to pay for their birth control. |
Response to ErikJ (Reply #33)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 09:27 PM
stevenleser (13,249 posts)
35. Can I steal most or all of this for a Facebook post? nt
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 11:58 PM
rhett o rick (26,604 posts)
38. I have always said that the Republican Party is made up of the rich and the gullible. nm
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:16 AM
Quixote1818 (16,562 posts)
39. PERFECT! Big K and R. nt
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:40 AM
Uncle Joe (24,997 posts)
42. Kicked and recommended.
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Thanks for the thread, stevenleser.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 02:46 AM
4lbs (5,129 posts)
44. The one on the left looks like John Goodman.
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Hmm...
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 11:57 AM
Glaisne (97 posts)
45. To add to the list:
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Teachers, College Professors, Public Workers, Unions, Union Members, Secularists, Atheists and the omnipresent elitist Liberal Media!!.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 11:59 AM
nolabear (14,653 posts)
46. As Pogo would say, Perzackly.
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 01:29 PM
andym (2,473 posts)
47. Need to add "Big government" and "stealing my freedom" to the guy on the left
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those are the most abused conservative talking points.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 02:09 PM
Tarheel_Dem (16,603 posts)
48. K&R
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