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http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-08-12/more-elderly-americans-are-struggling-with-student-loan-debt#r=hp-lsUntil his Social Security check arrived almost $300 lighter last June, Eric Merklein, 67, didnt know he had outstanding student debt. Hed taken out a loan about 40 years ago to attend Southern Illinois University and believed it had been repaid by his grandmother after he graduated in the early 1970s. When he contacted the Department of Education to ask why he was getting less in his check, Merklein says he was surprised to learn the government was withholding a portion of his benefit to cover the debt.
Merklein is among the more than 2 million Americans age 60 and older carrying student debt, up from about 700,000 in 2005, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. The debts are from old loans like Merkleins and more recent ones that older Americans take to go back to school or pay for college for their kids. In total, this group has $43 billion in unpaid loans, five times what they owed in 2005. The average debt also has risen by more than 60 percent since 2005, to around $20,000 per borrower older than 60.
The government has the power to seize portions of the pay or Social Security checks of those whove stopped paying their federal student loans. It can also confiscate tax rebates. Borrowers can negotiate a repayment plan with the government to get out of default.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)profits before people.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)However, the principal on my loans was paid years ago, what they want is about $20k in interest, aka profits. I'm sure I've paid way than that in 40 years of taxes. Not only that, the Raygun/Bush economy made it nearly impossible to make a career using that education.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)at least the debt dies with the debtor...
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)and yet they were able to find him to seize his SS.
I'm in the income based repayment program right now. My current hope is that next year, I'll be able to live on 1 p/t job and start collecting SS, which I will use to pay off the student loans in 3 years or so, plus continue to do work (more insulation, change heating systems, etc) on the house to slash my utilities costs plus expand my gardening so that over the long haul I'll be able to live on the smaller SS. Then at 65, if HP doesn't steal it, I'll get a couple thousand extra/year in my tiny pension. Plus if I'm able to sell my home I can downsize the house and location to have a little extra cash rolling around and even lower cost of living. That's a big if, though, in this economy.
alcina
(602 posts)With the never-ending mergers and acquisitions in the loan industry, sales and resales of debt, it's quite possible this was dropped and then resurrected. I wish I could find the depressing and infuriating article I recently read about debt collectors. It said that quite often debt that's already been paid is (mistakenly?) sold to second- and third-tier collectors. If the "debtor" no longer has proof of payment -- as the man in this article has stated -- they're pretty much screwed.
My sister took out an $11000 student loan decades ago and, like many, never found the high-paying job she expected. Her loan has been sold a few times and the interest keeps racking up. Thankfully (sarcasm here) she's seriously underemployed and so her repayment is something like $50 a month. She figures she'll be long dead before the $30,000 in interest/fees is ever repaid.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)are able to attach you social security?
I was assuming based on the article that this was a gov. student loan, not private.
DURHAM D
(32,607 posts)I also assumed collections only on government loans.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)when someone defaults, the US government pays the lender and buys the debt, assuming the burden of collecting it.
AllyCat
(16,174 posts)The business in question shows I have paid. My dad is one who faces having his SS check garnished for a loan my brother took out for school. Dad said he'd help him and consigned. Brother isn't paying so they are after my dad.
NJCher
(35,647 posts)What a punitive, mean society has evolved with the compounding of interest rates like what are cited upthread. This is what you get, however, when the bankers run the government.
I recently heard a program on their infiltration and control of the government (practically from its inception). It was shocking, even to me, and I have read quite a bit about it.
Cher
jwirr
(39,215 posts)one side and giving back to the other. I get SSI as well as SSA.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Having had student loans, mine thankfully are paid off, my husband's are far from it, he will be 60 before he gets it paid off, I can tell you it is impacting those of us getting close to retirement. It is also burdening our kids, they are not told when they borrow what the payments will be. Some of them see it as the cost of doing business. What it takes to go to school today.
When we went to school, both of us worked. What put my husband in the hole was the fact his family could not help at all and costs had gone up so much. His doctorate came from a big school, important if you want a job as a professor when you are done, and all the costs that came with that. I worked two jobs while he was in graduate school and we still came out with almost 6 figures in student loan debt. Repayment is the cost of a really nice house. You never seem to make a dent in the balance.
I have a former student who called me in tears, she teaches at an inner city high school, she has tenure and cannot get caught up on her student loans. The penalties make it impossible to try and catch up.
I really believe they want anyone who is not from a wealthy family who can pay for their schooling to be slaves for the rest of their lives.
On top of this teachers, and professors can tell you raises are non-existent and the cost of parking and benefits on campus continue to take a bigger bite out of our checks. My husband is riding his bike to school whenever he can so we could save the 300 dollars for a parking permit.
At our age we hoped to be in better financial shape. I fear for the young people coming out now. I know undergrads who have the debt we had for our graduate program. Six figures is not uncommon these days.
We thought we were eligible for a loan forgiveness after paying for 10 years and working for a public university but we can't get anyone at Sallie Mae to answer our questions. Honestly, we have given up on that option.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)According to St. Peters, private Sallie Mae loans are sold for as little as 15 cents on the dollar. We repeat: a Vice President at Sallie Mae confirmed that they sell private loans for 15 cents on the dollar.
One goal of the Rolling Jubilee campaign has been to educate ourselves and others about how little our debts are actually worth to the creditors who control our lives. If you have a private Sallie Mae loan, you should know that it may be sold at pennies on the dollar, even as the lender and debt collectors demand full payment, plus interest, from you.
Though we were not able to purchase Sallie Mae loans, we have had some success with other portfolios, and we think those who have been petitioning us to buy student debt will be pleased with the results. We will share all of the details on September 17.
http://strikedebt.org/update4/
So, as I read this, if you have a $20,000 student loan, Sallie Mae could sell it to a private third party who will keep collecting the interests and fees. But, you can't buy the loan for that rate yourself! So if a family member passes on and leaves you $3,000, you can't buy your own loan and free yourself from that $20,000 debt!
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)They aren't really interested in collecting the debt. Only in making students into lifelong debt-slaves.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)these loans fully dischargeable in Chapter 7/13, treating them identically with other debts.
They were once, but Reagan took that relief away.
Skittles
(153,138 posts)it's outrageous and ridiculous
Quantess
(27,630 posts)K & R
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)While I was in graduate school, my undergraduate loans were resold a number of times. I kept trying to get them consolidated, but getting them rolled back to the place where they had the zero interest they should have had was impossible. As a student I would often take rooms in other people's houses, and they would receive the calls from debt collectors who had inappropriately received the resold debt. I tried to be proactive about informing banks that I was still in school while never giving anyone my phone number, but they could automatically record wherever I called from.
Anyway, I finally managed to get the loans consolidated, but I had to accept almost $2000 in tacked-on interest that didn't belong there. And once the consolidation was completed there was nothing I could do about it.
So this was basically robbery via secret loan reselling behind my back while I was in school the whole time!!! And this interest itself accrues interest because it has been years since I've been in a position to start paying off these student loans. Right now they are being deferred since I'm in the welfare system, but when I was merely low-income and unemployed they were gathering interest the whole time.
Wella
(1,827 posts)Obviously the debt had not been paid and Merklein claims he didn't know about it and thought it was paid off. Why did the government wait until the guy was practically 70 years old to go after him?
Hestia
(3,818 posts)after 40 years! Jeez, they made enough off of him in taxes and just how much could the loan have been for (no, didn't not click on the link yet). My s-i-l's s-i-l is still paying her debt after 20 years (she didn't get to benefit from the new law because it was before a certain date for discharging the debt), works two jobs, and still is barely paying down the principle.
It's wrong wrong wrong