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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 07:31 AM Aug 2014

Student Debt Threatens the Safety Net for Elderly Americans

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-08-12/more-elderly-americans-are-struggling-with-student-loan-debt#r=hp-ls



Until his Social Security check arrived almost $300 lighter last June, Eric Merklein, 67, didn’t know he had outstanding student debt. He’d taken out a loan about 40 years ago to attend Southern Illinois University and believed it had been repaid by his grandmother after he graduated in the early 1970s. When he contacted the Department of Education to ask why he was getting less in his check, Merklein says he was surprised to learn the government was withholding a portion of his benefit to cover the debt.

Merklein is among the more than 2 million Americans age 60 and older carrying student debt, up from about 700,000 in 2005, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. The debts are from old loans like Merklein’s and more recent ones that older Americans take to go back to school or pay for college for their kids. In total, this group has $43 billion in unpaid loans, five times what they owed in 2005. The average debt also has risen by more than 60 percent since 2005, to around $20,000 per borrower older than 60.

The government has the power to seize portions of the pay or Social Security checks of those who’ve stopped paying their federal student loans. It can also confiscate tax rebates. Borrowers can negotiate a repayment plan with the government to get out of default.
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Student Debt Threatens the Safety Net for Elderly Americans (Original Post) xchrom Aug 2014 OP
Now, now.... daleanime Aug 2014 #1
k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t Laelth Aug 2014 #2
I'm one of those rickyhall Aug 2014 #3
I hear ya... handmade34 Aug 2014 #4
Oh yeah, I remember that part. rickyhall Aug 2014 #18
I find it hard to believe that in 40 years, he never got a bill or contacted re: the debt magical thyme Aug 2014 #5
I don't find it that hard to believe alcina Aug 2014 #6
so are you saying the US Gov is collecting for *private* student loans? Or private loan companies magical thyme Aug 2014 #7
Good question. DURHAM D Aug 2014 #10
I think what's being said: since the US gov't guarantees student loans, closeupready Aug 2014 #14
This is true. I am still getting collection calls for bills that even AllyCat Aug 2014 #12
this is just sad beyond belief NJCher Aug 2014 #8
I don't think I have any school debt that I owe anymore but even if I did they would be taking from jwirr Aug 2014 #9
Student Loan Officers are loan sharks. redstatebluegirl Aug 2014 #11
And Sallie Mae will sell your student loan for as little as 15 cents on the dollar KansDem Aug 2014 #13
well I guess that makes their intention pretty clear magical thyme Aug 2014 #16
We need to start demanding reforms, including making closeupready Aug 2014 #15
agreed Skittles Aug 2014 #22
Terrible. Quantess Aug 2014 #17
Interest Unfairly Added Via Consolidation daredtowork Aug 2014 #19
How did the government forget to contact Merklein in the 80s, 90s and 00s? Wella Aug 2014 #20
Once we win this year, we need to lobby *hard* on getting student debt abolished especially Hestia Aug 2014 #21

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
3. I'm one of those
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 09:05 AM
Aug 2014

However, the principal on my loans was paid years ago, what they want is about $20k in interest, aka profits. I'm sure I've paid way than that in 40 years of taxes. Not only that, the Raygun/Bush economy made it nearly impossible to make a career using that education.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
5. I find it hard to believe that in 40 years, he never got a bill or contacted re: the debt
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 09:34 AM
Aug 2014

and yet they were able to find him to seize his SS.

I'm in the income based repayment program right now. My current hope is that next year, I'll be able to live on 1 p/t job and start collecting SS, which I will use to pay off the student loans in 3 years or so, plus continue to do work (more insulation, change heating systems, etc) on the house to slash my utilities costs plus expand my gardening so that over the long haul I'll be able to live on the smaller SS. Then at 65, if HP doesn't steal it, I'll get a couple thousand extra/year in my tiny pension. Plus if I'm able to sell my home I can downsize the house and location to have a little extra cash rolling around and even lower cost of living. That's a big if, though, in this economy.

alcina

(602 posts)
6. I don't find it that hard to believe
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 09:50 AM
Aug 2014

With the never-ending mergers and acquisitions in the loan industry, sales and resales of debt, it's quite possible this was dropped and then resurrected. I wish I could find the depressing and infuriating article I recently read about debt collectors. It said that quite often debt that's already been paid is (mistakenly?) sold to second- and third-tier collectors. If the "debtor" no longer has proof of payment -- as the man in this article has stated -- they're pretty much screwed.

My sister took out an $11000 student loan decades ago and, like many, never found the high-paying job she expected. Her loan has been sold a few times and the interest keeps racking up. Thankfully (sarcasm here) she's seriously underemployed and so her repayment is something like $50 a month. She figures she'll be long dead before the $30,000 in interest/fees is ever repaid.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
7. so are you saying the US Gov is collecting for *private* student loans? Or private loan companies
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 09:56 AM
Aug 2014

are able to attach you social security?

I was assuming based on the article that this was a gov. student loan, not private.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
14. I think what's being said: since the US gov't guarantees student loans,
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 10:49 AM
Aug 2014

when someone defaults, the US government pays the lender and buys the debt, assuming the burden of collecting it.

AllyCat

(16,174 posts)
12. This is true. I am still getting collection calls for bills that even
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 10:29 AM
Aug 2014

The business in question shows I have paid. My dad is one who faces having his SS check garnished for a loan my brother took out for school. Dad said he'd help him and consigned. Brother isn't paying so they are after my dad.

NJCher

(35,647 posts)
8. this is just sad beyond belief
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 10:01 AM
Aug 2014

What a punitive, mean society has evolved with the compounding of interest rates like what are cited upthread. This is what you get, however, when the bankers run the government.

I recently heard a program on their infiltration and control of the government (practically from its inception). It was shocking, even to me, and I have read quite a bit about it.


Cher

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
9. I don't think I have any school debt that I owe anymore but even if I did they would be taking from
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 10:05 AM
Aug 2014

one side and giving back to the other. I get SSI as well as SSA.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
11. Student Loan Officers are loan sharks.
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 10:26 AM
Aug 2014

Having had student loans, mine thankfully are paid off, my husband's are far from it, he will be 60 before he gets it paid off, I can tell you it is impacting those of us getting close to retirement. It is also burdening our kids, they are not told when they borrow what the payments will be. Some of them see it as the cost of doing business. What it takes to go to school today.

When we went to school, both of us worked. What put my husband in the hole was the fact his family could not help at all and costs had gone up so much. His doctorate came from a big school, important if you want a job as a professor when you are done, and all the costs that came with that. I worked two jobs while he was in graduate school and we still came out with almost 6 figures in student loan debt. Repayment is the cost of a really nice house. You never seem to make a dent in the balance.

I have a former student who called me in tears, she teaches at an inner city high school, she has tenure and cannot get caught up on her student loans. The penalties make it impossible to try and catch up.

I really believe they want anyone who is not from a wealthy family who can pay for their schooling to be slaves for the rest of their lives.

On top of this teachers, and professors can tell you raises are non-existent and the cost of parking and benefits on campus continue to take a bigger bite out of our checks. My husband is riding his bike to school whenever he can so we could save the 300 dollars for a parking permit.

At our age we hoped to be in better financial shape. I fear for the young people coming out now. I know undergrads who have the debt we had for our graduate program. Six figures is not uncommon these days.

We thought we were eligible for a loan forgiveness after paying for 10 years and working for a public university but we can't get anyone at Sallie Mae to answer our questions. Honestly, we have given up on that option.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
13. And Sallie Mae will sell your student loan for as little as 15 cents on the dollar
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 10:43 AM
Aug 2014
Since the beginning of the Rolling Jubilee campaign, we’ve wanted to buy and abolish student debt. But most student loans are guaranteed by the federal government, and so they are not available for purchase. As part of our effort to buy private, unsecured student loans, we talked to Doug St. Peters, the Vice President of Portfolio Management at Sallie Mae, who packages that company’s debt into securities and sells your loans on the secondary market. He confirmed that Sallie Mae does sell its private loans to two large debt buying companies. He would not name names, and he refused to sell us any of these portfolios when he learned that we intended to abolish the debt.

According to St. Peters, private Sallie Mae loans are sold for as little as 15 cents on the dollar. We repeat: a Vice President at Sallie Mae confirmed that they sell private loans for 15 cents on the dollar.

One goal of the Rolling Jubilee campaign has been to educate ourselves and others about how little our debts are actually worth to the creditors who control our lives. If you have a private Sallie Mae loan, you should know that it may be sold at pennies on the dollar, even as the lender and debt collectors demand full payment, plus interest, from you.

Though we were not able to purchase Sallie Mae loans, we have had some success with other portfolios, and we think those who have been petitioning us to buy student debt will be pleased with the results. We will share all of the details on September 17.


http://strikedebt.org/update4/

So, as I read this, if you have a $20,000 student loan, Sallie Mae could sell it to a private third party who will keep collecting the interests and fees. But, you can't buy the loan for that rate yourself! So if a family member passes on and leaves you $3,000, you can't buy your own loan and free yourself from that $20,000 debt!
 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
16. well I guess that makes their intention pretty clear
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 10:58 AM
Aug 2014

They aren't really interested in collecting the debt. Only in making students into lifelong debt-slaves.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
15. We need to start demanding reforms, including making
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 10:52 AM
Aug 2014

these loans fully dischargeable in Chapter 7/13, treating them identically with other debts.

They were once, but Reagan took that relief away.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
19. Interest Unfairly Added Via Consolidation
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 03:32 PM
Aug 2014

While I was in graduate school, my undergraduate loans were resold a number of times. I kept trying to get them consolidated, but getting them rolled back to the place where they had the zero interest they should have had was impossible. As a student I would often take rooms in other people's houses, and they would receive the calls from debt collectors who had inappropriately received the resold debt. I tried to be proactive about informing banks that I was still in school while never giving anyone my phone number, but they could automatically record wherever I called from.

Anyway, I finally managed to get the loans consolidated, but I had to accept almost $2000 in tacked-on interest that didn't belong there. And once the consolidation was completed there was nothing I could do about it.

So this was basically robbery via secret loan reselling behind my back while I was in school the whole time!!! And this interest itself accrues interest because it has been years since I've been in a position to start paying off these student loans. Right now they are being deferred since I'm in the welfare system, but when I was merely low-income and unemployed they were gathering interest the whole time.

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
20. How did the government forget to contact Merklein in the 80s, 90s and 00s?
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 03:42 PM
Aug 2014

Obviously the debt had not been paid and Merklein claims he didn't know about it and thought it was paid off. Why did the government wait until the guy was practically 70 years old to go after him?

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
21. Once we win this year, we need to lobby *hard* on getting student debt abolished especially
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 03:52 PM
Aug 2014

after 40 years! Jeez, they made enough off of him in taxes and just how much could the loan have been for (no, didn't not click on the link yet). My s-i-l's s-i-l is still paying her debt after 20 years (she didn't get to benefit from the new law because it was before a certain date for discharging the debt), works two jobs, and still is barely paying down the principle.

It's wrong wrong wrong

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