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Badges? We don't need no stinking Badges. (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Aug 2014 OP
Well played.. :( Cha Aug 2014 #1
It's possible it's fear it's also possible it's both disinhibiting and enabling HereSince1628 Aug 2014 #7
Fearless. GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #2
Just a point Sherman A1 Aug 2014 #3
Just a point Ichingcarpenter Aug 2014 #4
Just a question pintobean Aug 2014 #9
Missouri Code Chapter 575, Offenses Against the Administration of Justice, Section 575.120 gordianot Aug 2014 #22
While I wholeheartedly agree on this point... Earth_First Aug 2014 #5
Looks like an Isis beheader B Calm Aug 2014 #8
"B" Boston Police Department. Are you that thick? Hoppy Aug 2014 #11
Are you sure it's even a guy? Thor_MN Aug 2014 #16
The CIA? (Rumor had it that, during the Dorner Affair, the CIA had VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #21
Visual perception? We ain't got no visual perce---*BONG* NuclearDem Aug 2014 #27
Now, if they were really supportive they would have tags that read, Baitball Blogger Aug 2014 #6
+1 Tommymac Aug 2014 #15
Kick! Heidi Aug 2014 #10
The purpose of the numbered badge is to identify micreant cops. The idea was instituted in NYC Hoppy Aug 2014 #12
Are these guys even physically fit for duty? mwooldri Aug 2014 #13
re:Badges? We don't need no stinking Badges. allan01 Aug 2014 #14
+1 woo me with science Aug 2014 #18
Outrageous and unacceptable, and deliberate. woo me with science Aug 2014 #17
'The Show me State' Ichingcarpenter Aug 2014 #19
Uniformed Secret Police include Stasi, KGB, Gestapo, maybe a new fashion for the USA. gordianot Aug 2014 #20
I doubt they have bullets either RobertEarl Aug 2014 #23
They must be up to something and need to keep their identity hidden. JEB Aug 2014 #24
kick woo me with science Aug 2014 #25
To be fair - they don't even need uniforms in Ferguson to tell who are the cops underpants Aug 2014 #26
Wait, if they don't have badges on, doesn't that mean, they are not acting in a police capacity? Xyzse Aug 2014 #28

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
7. It's possible it's fear it's also possible it's both disinhibiting and enabling
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 07:22 AM
Aug 2014

Obviously there is some fear of retaliation by the population they are preparing to suppress.

In an internet age where facial recognition is available; I'm not sure removal of a badge or name tag provides as much anonymity as it once might have.

But there is also the possibility of the psychology of liberating power of perceiving oneself anonymous. It's pretty well known people feel freer to act out when they can't be held accountable.

And there is also the moral building psychological component of taking steps considered to be preparation for battle that contributes to the acquisition of a conflict ready mindset.

gordianot

(15,234 posts)
22. Missouri Code Chapter 575, Offenses Against the Administration of Justice, Section 575.120
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 03:03 PM
Aug 2014

Actually those uniforms are not that difficult to reproduce including the badge. They do have to identify themselves, and with a Deaf or Blind person meet guidelines of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Just checked all American Military Uniforms except some Special Forces have last name and military branch.

Chapter 575
Offenses Against the Administration of Justice
Section 575.120

August 28, 2013n


False impersonation--penalties.

575.120. 1. A person commits the crime of false impersonation if such person:

(1) Falsely represents himself or herself to be a public servant with purpose to induce another to submit to his or her pretended official authority or to rely upon his or her pretended official acts, and

(a) Performs an act in that pretended capacity; or

(b) Causes another to act in reliance upon his or her pretended official authority;

(2) Falsely represents himself or herself to be a person licensed to practice or engage in any profession for which a license is required by the laws of this state with purpose to induce another to rely upon such representation, and

(a) Performs an act in that pretended capacity; or

(b) Causes another to act in reliance upon such representation; or

(3) Upon being arrested, falsely represents himself or herself, to a law enforcement officer, with the first and last name, date of birth, or Social Security number, or a substantial number of identifying factors or characteristics as that of another person that results in the filing of a report or record of arrest or conviction for an infraction, misdemeanor, or felony that contains the first and last name, date of birth, and Social Security number, or a substantial number of identifying factors or characteristics to that of such other person as to cause such other person to be identified as the actual person arrested or convicted.

2. If a violation of subdivision (3) of subsection 1 of this section is discovered prior to any conviction of the person actually arrested for an underlying charge, then the prosecuting attorney, bringing any action on the underlying charge, shall notify the court thereof, and the court shall order the false-identifying factors ascribed to the person actually arrested as are contained in the arrest and court records amended to correctly and accurately identify the defendant and shall expunge the incorrect and inaccurate identifying factors from the arrest and court records.

3. If a violation of subdivision (3) of subsection 1 of this section is discovered after any conviction of the person actually arrested for an underlying charge, then the prosecuting attorney of the county in which the conviction occurred shall file a motion in the underlying case with the court to correct the arrest and court records after discovery of the fraud upon the court. The court shall order the false identifying factors ascribed to the person actually arrested as are contained in the arrest and court records amended to correctly and accurately identify the defendant and shall expunge the incorrect and inaccurate identifying factors from the arrest and court records.

4. Any person who is the victim of a false impersonation and whose identity has been falsely reported in arrest or conviction records may move for expungement and correction of said records under the procedures set forth in section 610.123. Upon a showing that a substantial number of identifying factors of the victim was falsely ascribed to the person actually arrested or convicted, the court shall order the false identifying factors ascribed to the person actually arrested as are contained in the arrest and court records amended to correctly and accurately identify the defendant and shall expunge the incorrect and inaccurate factors from the arrest and court records.

5. False impersonation is a class B misdemeanor unless the person represents himself to be a law enforcement officer in which case false impersonation is a class A misdemeanor.

(L. 1977 S.B. 60, A.L. 2004 H.B. 916)

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
5. While I wholeheartedly agree on this point...
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 07:20 AM
Aug 2014

At the very least there is a jurisdictional identifier on their uniforms.

Who does *this* guy belong to:

 

VanGoghRocks

(621 posts)
21. The CIA? (Rumor had it that, during the Dorner Affair, the CIA had
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 02:54 PM
Aug 2014

introduced hunter-killer teams into SoCal, obviously in complete violation of its charter, like that's ever stopped the CIA from doing anything.)

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
12. The purpose of the numbered badge is to identify micreant cops. The idea was instituted in NYC
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 07:49 AM
Aug 2014

in the 19th century.

Now they are clearly saving money by not paying for a badge for the guy on the right. No way that ugly mug is gonna be mis-identified.

Same with the DunKin D fan in center.

mwooldri

(10,301 posts)
13. Are these guys even physically fit for duty?
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 08:49 AM
Aug 2014

That bald headed guy in the middle appears to have a gut size bigger than his chest size. The guy right behind and to the right doesn't look that much fitter either.

Sorry but I'm accustomed to police officers having a better physique than that portrayed in that photo.

allan01

(1,950 posts)
14. re:Badges? We don't need no stinking Badges.
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 09:13 AM
Aug 2014

no name plates , no badges, they are out of uniiform and should be fired end of story

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
19. 'The Show me State'
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 10:09 AM
Aug 2014

Missouri
“Show Me State” A name attributed to Representative Willard Van Diver. It connotes a certain self-deprecating stubbornness and devotion to simple common sense.



Time for name change Missouri.

gordianot

(15,234 posts)
20. Uniformed Secret Police include Stasi, KGB, Gestapo, maybe a new fashion for the USA.
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 02:40 PM
Aug 2014

On Dragnet plain clothed officer Sgt. Friday always presented his badge first before saying "Just the facts mam".

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
23. I doubt they have bullets either
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 04:16 PM
Aug 2014

What kind of fool would allow all those pigs to walk around with loaded assault weapons?

BTW: It would be fun to dress like one of the cops and sneak up into their ranks, wouldn't it? Heck, most of those bubs don't know one jack from the other. So it makes you wonder just how many of them are actual cops?

underpants

(182,626 posts)
26. To be fair - they don't even need uniforms in Ferguson to tell who are the cops
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 08:52 AM
Aug 2014

It's pretty easy to make out the cops in that mess of a town.

But your point is accurate - you can't file a report and indentify "that guy"

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
28. Wait, if they don't have badges on, doesn't that mean, they are not acting in a police capacity?
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 10:02 AM
Aug 2014

Please correct me if I am wrong.

If so, they are acting out without police authority.

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