I wish we could kill every breathing fucking member of ISIS.....

[trumad]

Nuff Said!

[jtuck004]

1. Huh. That's exactly their thinking. Just about a different group.

But the difference is clear and obvious...

[trumad]

4. Difference is...

We can do it.

Fuck em!

[atreides1]

5. Why not

Let's become just like them...anger makes people do and say really stupid things!

[trumad]

9. tonight I could give a rats ass about liberal claptrap

Like...oh hahaha we will end up just like them.

Kill everyone of those motherfuckers!

[Live and Learn]

13. That is an odd thing to say on a liberal board.

Or are you liberal minded some days and not others?

[trumad]

21. I don't know...what do you think..

Am I liberal or not?

[Loudly]

29. You want to kill them for their deadly intolerance.

I say that makes you a humanitarian.

[bobduca]

54. not

[truedelphi]

40. And even stranger than that, those of us who understand the source

Of weaponry for ISIS (And perhaps outright funding as well!) know that ISIS sprang forward from the same purposeful CIA types out of the Pentagon as Al Queda did.

Except it took years for Al Queda interests to turn around and attack us. Whereas with ISIS, it has only taken some months!

[Gman]

43. No it's not. who defines "liberal"

and why must we only be allowed a set of predefined emotions that meet a certain standard that are approved for a liberal? Who decided and who the hell told them they were authorized to do it?

Every one of the ISiS bastards should be tortured to death.

[Live and Learn]

47. I was not even referring to the ISIS part of the comment but the 'liberal claptrap'

part. I don't appreciate the term.

But, I am against torturing anyone to death, no exceptions.

[Shivering Jemmy]

77. Making them dead is fine.

No need for torture. Torturing them to death would only be to scratch an itch.

Killing them is a legitimate policy goal.

[Live and Learn]

79. Killing is not a legitimate policy goal IMO.

It only provokes an endless cycle of violence.

[Shivering Jemmy]

83. existence is an endless cycle of violence

from the smallest organism to the largest, we are all killing each other all the time.

Humans have ability to at least mitigate that cycle. But end it?

I don't even know what that would look like.

[Live and Learn]

86. Well, killing others won't help mitigate the cycle at all.

It has been tried over and over, ad nauseum and has never worked.

[sir pball]

120. Violence is sometimes the only language people understand.

"Listen, and understand. That terminator is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead."

At this point ISIS has made it pretty obvious they speak, think, exist in violence. They're going to advocate it, perpetuate it, and teach it regardless of what we do - there is no bargaining or reasoning. They have no pity, remorse or fear. Sometimes all the other options are exhausted and we have to speak their language. Unfortunately it's a language where arguments are won quite starkly, by simply overwhelming their violence with our own. Hobbes wasn't so far from the mark after all.

[smirkymonkey]

149. +1000

[shireen]

150. sadly, i feel the same way

How do you negotiate with fanatics? You can't. That's the problem. Doing nothing will allow them to fester. For any meaningful resolution, this conflict has to be resolved by the people--the moderates--who live in that region; But I hope we can find a way to effectively empower them.

[bhikkhu]

50. Liberal, to me, means we believe people are basically good

which makes it problematic to advocate torturing them to death. I'd be more in favor of something like the Nuremburg trials, and there are means to make that happen, at some point. The leaders set the course, and those that row the boat have varying levels of commitment, guilt, and ability to reform.

[BobbyBoring]

52. I'm sorry.

That works with human beings. These pukes are not human. They need to be totally wiped out.

[Scootaloo]

80. Any other subhumans you want to eradicate?

I mean while you're in the business, you might as well clear the list.

Also, what's the plan for eradication, do you suppose? They're operting in a pretty wide territory. Shall we do as one of my more idiotic relatives insists, and "turn the whole place to glass"?

[bhikkhu]

85. Liberal, to me, also means being unable to think about people that way

It helps to have studied history - denying people their humanity never turns out well for either party.

Frederick Douglass was a good mentor in that regard, when he wrote about how he watched his first teacher change, a kind woman who initially treated him as a friend. Under the pressures to adapt to the ideals of slavery she slowly came to consider him less than human. While he grew in understanding regardless, she became something far less than the person she began. He felt sorry for her.

I wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of the equation there - be one that can grow, and don't let hatred take you.

[Live and Learn]

87. Very well said. nt

[GCP]

88. Yes. eom

[delete_bush]

57. Tortured to death? Really?

I presume this means YOU would then be willing to be the torturer.

Tell me...how long would you carry this out before their death? 10 minutes? Several hours? What sort of torment and abuse do you have in mind? Could you live with yourself after doing so? Proud to tell your children/grandchildren about your experience?

Do tell.

[NealK]

71. +1

[Depaysement]

73. "Could you live with yourself after doing so?"

The most salient and underrated question. Spot on.

Killing another human being kills a little part of you.

[SammyWinstonJack]

126. Thank you.

[Dorian Gray]

97. I disagree about the torture

eliminating them is enough at this point.

[Gman]

100. Torturing is too extreme, granted

But eliminating them is what's needed.

[atreides1]

104. Sure

But let's take it a step further and after eliminating ISIL, lets' turn our focus on those that helped to create this monster, which is the child of Al Queda and the Taliban!

Then let's make sure that those sectors of the intel community that had a hand in raising this monster, are denied funding for anymore operations of this type!

[get the red out]

130. YES!!!

Agree.

[Rex]

144. Well the dictionary for one defines a liberal.

lib·er·al adjective \ˈli-b(ə rəl\
: believing that government should be active in supporting social and political change : relating to or supporting political liberalism

Liberal : of or belonging to the liberal political party in countries like Canada and the United Kingdom
: not opposed to new ideas or ways of behaving that are not traditional or widely accepted



I guess wanting to drain the blood of every living ISIS member, could fall under 'behaving in ways not traditional or widely accepted.'

[delete_bush]

62. Claptrap...

"absurd or nonsensical talk or ideas"

You seem to admit that this exists in the "Liberal" world, yet there are OTHER nights when you're supportive of same.

Why support this at ANY time?

[MineralMan]

101. Liberal claptrap?

Really? We're already killing ISIS terrorists. Probably along with others who are not part of ISIS. I think most liberals want to find peaceful solutions to what's going on there. But we're certainly attacking ISIS when we know who they are and where they are.

[randome]

102. You really think that anger is all that's driving ISIS?

Perhaps they're simply misunderstood?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

[jtuck004]

6. Lots of hot air from countries who haven't yet, even though they have tried for years.

Wonder how the dumb cowardly fucks that kill innocent children from the air get a missile lock on a belief?

[sub.theory]

12. Our Righteous is Their Stay of Execution

The US has the ability to utterly eradicate this demonic legion. Make no mistake about it. Our mercy and concern for the lives of innocents is the only reason these monsters have not been sent to meet their dark master. They have no such inhibitions.

[jtuck004]

16. Mission Accomplished, eh? What utter bs. But feel free to sit on that white horse and

believe you are King of the world.

Really, though, you are probably your worst enemy.

bye

[sub.theory]

18. Bye

You heart ISIS. Got it. Bye.

[Katashi_itto]

34. Then sign up for a tour.

[NealK]

72. You didn't hear the warnings?

Do NOT take the Brown Acid.

[Scootaloo]

81. "Demonic legion"? "Dark master"?

Who died and made you Cardinal Ximénez?

[hifiguy]

107. Stone age barbarians, which is what ISIS are

are not amenable to sweet reason or compromise. They have forfeited any claim to humanity by the choices they have made and the actions they have taken. They have a simple goal - convert the world to their stone age thinking and kill everyone who doesn't comply. There times when it is literally kill or be killed. Were it possible to put all of ISIS in one place far away from any innocents, I would pound them with neutron bombs until whatever was left glowed. Civilization has a right and a duty to defend itself from barbarism.

[jtuck004]

137. Is sad, the lack of ability to understand the irony in that sentence.

"I would pound them with neutron bombs until whatever was left glowed. Civilization has a right and a duty to defend itself from barbaris"

I don't see a nickel's worth of difference between someone who would write that, and them.

Enjoy the company you keep. I won't be interested in reading anything else you have to write because to get that level of discourse I just have to turn on John McCain tv. No need to go to all this effort.

bye.

[hifiguy]

141. I am in the same camp as trumad on this issue.

These creatures are proud of raping, murdering, and beheading other human beings - men, women and children, in the name of their so-called gawd. That is a virus that should be stamped out. They choose to believe the insane things they believe. They choose to commit these inhuman and barbaric actions. Given the opportunity to do so they would kill you, me and every other DUer. Sometimes an object lesson is necessary, as it was during World War II. I make no apologies.

[sub.theory]

2. An Army of The Damned

They are indeed an army of the damned. The literal agents of hell whose souls are lost beyond all redemption.

I share your hated of them and everything they stand for.

[flamingdem]

3. I read that some of them are on meth

and that a lab was found but can't find the reference now.

Makes sense that they'd at least have access to drugs if they're not forced to keep them awake longer.

[freshwest]

93. WW2 Nazis were on drugs, too. They called it 'krank.'

Last edited Wed Aug 20, 2014, 01:58 PM - Edit history (1)

The Nazi Death Machine: Hitler's Drugged Soldiers

By Andreas Ulrich

The Nazis preached abstinence in the name of promoting national health. But when it came to fighting their Blitzkrieg, they had no qualms about pumping their soldiers full of drugs and alcohol. Speed was the drug of choice, but many others became addicted to morphine and alcohol...

Many of the Wehrmacht's soldiers were high on Pervitin when they went into battle, especially against Poland and France -- in a Blitzkrieg fueled by speed. The German military was supplied with millions of methamphetamine tablets during the first half of 1940. The drugs were part of a plan to help pilots, sailors and infantry troops become capable of superhuman performance. The military leadership liberally dispensed such stimulants, but also alcohol and opiates, as long as it believed drugging and intoxicating troops could help it achieve victory over the Allies. But the Nazis were less than diligent in monitoring side-effects like drug addiction and a decline in moral standards.

After it was first introduced into the market in 1938, Pervitin, a methamphetamine drug newly developed by the Berlin-based Temmler pharmaceutical company, quickly became a top seller among the German civilian population. According to a report in the Klinische Wochenschrift ("Clinical Weekly&quot , the supposed wonder drug was brought to the attention of Otto Ranke, a military doctor and director of the Institute for General and Defense Physiology at Berlin's Academy of Military Medicine. The effects of amphetamines are similar to those of the adrenaline produced by the body, triggering a heightened state of alert. In most people, the substance increases self-confidence, concentration and the willingness to take risks, while at the same time reducing sensitivity to pain, hunger and thirst, as well as reducing the need for sleep. In September 1939, Ranke tested the drug on 90 university students, and concluded that Pervitin could help the Wehrmacht win the war. At first Pervitin was tested on military drivers who participated in the invasion of Poland. Then, according to criminologist Wolf Kemper, it was "unscrupulously distributed to troops fighting at the front..."

Toward the end of the war, the Nazis were even working on a miracle pill for their troops. In the northern German seaport of Kiel, on March 16, 1944, then Vice-Admiral Hellmuth Heye, who later became a member of parliament with the conservative Christian Democratic party and head of the German parliament's defense committee, requested a drug "that can keep soldiers ready for battle when they are asked to continue fighting beyond a period considered normal, while at the same time boosting their self-esteem..."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/the-nazi-death-machine-hitler-s-drugged-soldiers-a-354606.html

The article mentions that cocaine was added to the mixture. 35 million tablets were sent '...to maintain sleeplessness...'

That is a state in which a person is susceptible to mental influence as if in under hypnosis. It's been reported this is also the state of person who looks at television that moves them emotionally for a very long time, like Faux. Soon people become like zombies, suggestible to demagoguery.

There is little difference between waking and sleeping, one is closer to a dream state. Knowing that when faced with them does not make them any less dangerous. I'm not sure if there is a non-violent solution to escape from them, or prevent being harmed.

I imagine sleeping gas to let them finally work it out while unconscious might be a solution to shooting them. Not very practical, though. IMO, a lot of men (as it's usually men we're talking about) are being egged onto to do things they would never do in civilian life. There are many ways to get people so aroused they will do anything.

If a person can stand aside for a moment to look at what they're being urged to do, there'd be more clarity and manipulation would not work on them. And a lot of grief would be saved.

But then again, we may be dealing with what is a medieval mindset of unrefined lust for power and advantage, with no willingness to respect others who are not of the tribe to which one is in.

The Spiegel article shows a picture of Germans who had surrendered to an Allied soldier:

http://www.spiegel.de/pics/89/0,1020,464489,00.jpg

Towards the end of the war, Germany used younger and younger soldiers. More and more of them relied on drugs or alcohol for courage and endurance.

IDK if the ISIS warriors will surrender, though.

[former9thward]

105. The Americans and British did the same thing.

The grounds on which amphetamine was actually adopted by both British and American militaries had less to do with the science of fatigue than with the drug's mood-altering effects, as judged by military men. It increased confidence and aggression, and elevated “morale.”



http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/JINH_a_00212#.U_Szc_kui18

[GreenEyedLefty]

14. They have to be... completely sick and depraved.

They must be eradicated. I am in full support of US airstrikes.

[kentuck]

7. It's really amazing!

In a matter of just a few weeks, they went from a small group of 3000-8000 rebels to an army big enough to threaten Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, and even, the US. Do they have a basic training for their soldiers?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

56. Where are they getting all of these numbers from???

Especially considering they aren't welcome in any of the towns they storm into.

What would worry me is to see tens of thousands lining the streets hailing them as heroes.

[Depaysement]

75. +1

How about that?

[bluesbassman]

8. Well that's nice.

I wonder what the geometric proportions are on new terrorists created for every ISIS member killed?

For the record, I have zero love for ISIS or any of the assorted terrorist groups operating world wide. However, it seems to me that eradication attempts have not yielded quite the outcome that was intended.

[regnaD kciN]

15. Gee, where have I heard that sort of thing before…?

I know! Faux addicts and Tea-Partiers talking about liberals!

[trumad]

20. Well you're hearing from trumad. ...

A member of DU since 2001....and a member who is sick and tired of religious shit birds like ISIS.

[GCP]

89. I've also been here since 2001

And I agree with you 100%. I'm so sick of the political correctness on here over something so totally black and white.

[bluesbassman]

19. OK, but - and I am only saying this because I care...

there are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market today that are just as tasty as the real thing.

[BainsBane]

27. Could be cable news overload too

Caffeine and cable news are a toxic cocktail of substances.

[freshwest]

91. Good grief, I never expected that from trumad. But now he can't answer you.

[redqueen]

112. Did ISIS post a fresh batch of decapitation pictures maybe?

Kidnap another village worth of women and girls?

[freshwest]

121. IDK, but what they did to the little girls and women already would be enough to push a dad over the

edge, with the rape of the girls and women in front of their husbands and fathers, forced to watch. And killing them, too, only then killing the men after torturing them that way. And the hundreds of girls and women sold into the sex trade. Yes, plenty to get furious on. The OP wasn't hidden, though, it was just that one post, which was not expected.

Part of the trauma of the people on the helicopters being rescued had to be from seeing that. I'm sure before PBO sent planes and aid to them, he was given a first hand account if not seeing pictures and videos of the atrocities to make that decision. I'd hate to know what he has had to see about how horrible people can be.

[redqueen]

125. And there will be more atrocities.

This group is incredibly vicious. And proud of it.

[freshwest]

136. They are proud of the world order they want to create, as Europeans were of slaughtering NA's.

VICE may have shown their videos of them raping those women and girls and killing them, and trumad may have seen those videos. He has kids. I'm sure that Obama saw those before he ordered humanitarian aid and the airpower to support it. But he spoke carefully, not throwing any red meat like Bush did to satisfy the desire of the masses for bread and circuses. Just as he's been circumspect on Ferguson, but it's deprived many of their meal, too.

He is doing so because he cares about results, not what people think of him. Last time his policy words, which most Americans would agree with fully, set two alleged rapists free:

Judge: Obama sex assault comments unlawful command influence.

...Two defendants in military sexual assault cases cannot be punitively discharged, if found guilty, because of “unlawful command influence” derived from comments made by President Barack Obama, a judge ruled in a Hawaii military court this week.

Navy Judge Cmdr. Marcus Fulton ruled during pretrial hearings in two sexual assault cases — U.S. vs. Johnson and U.S. vs. Fuentes — that comments made by Obama as commander in chief would unduly influence any potential sentencing, according to a court documents obtained by Stars and Stripes.

On Wednesday and Thursday, Fulton approved the pretrial defense motions, which used as evidence comments that Obama made about sexual assault at a May 7 news conference:

“The bottom line is: I have no tolerance for this,” Obama said, according to an NBC News story submitted as evidence by defense attorneys in the sexual assault cases.

‘I expect consequences,” Obama added. “So I don’t just want more speeches or awareness programs or training, but ultimately folks look the other way. If we find out somebody’s engaging in this, they’ve got to be held accountable — prosecuted, stripped of their positions, court martialed, fired, dishonorably discharged. Period.”

Continued in article:

http://www.stripes.com/judge-obama-sex-assault-comments-unlawful-command-influence-1.225974

to okaawhatever:

He wasn't talking about Johnson or Fuentes, he was making policy. It was in response and support of a bill to end sexual assaults in the military by not allowing them to be swept under the rug by technicalities, such as how good a soldier they'd been otherwise.

The victims represented by the US never saw justice because of the way that the judge interpreted those words. I think the judge was wrong but that is what happened. So in order to not let that happen again, he cannot visit or say what he thinks on Wilson and all the rest of it...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025408826#post66

Our leaders will be found wrong by all sides no matter what they say or do on these situations, but will stick to the longer term goal, no matter who complains.

In the meantime, there is no national will to stop ISIS in the world by the USA mobilizing to do such and I'm not saying we should. We will stand by and hope it all goes away without overt or covert actions. We can't be seen as endorsing any military or monetary policy to eliminate them on DU. We can't join in the chorus of Islamophobic RWers, they are wrong.

This is a tough time to live in this world with increased population and depleted resources and the ravages of climate change. Things are going to get very rough. JMHO.

[redqueen]

138. Outstanding post.

Thanks for the background re: that judge using his statements as an excuse.

[freshwest]

139. I do tend to remember things I care about deeply, like most. Adding to my Journal for your rec.

[gordianot]

11. You might want to remove the various agents, plants, paid informants first.

On the other hand they probably also engage in bad behavior. In the long run Islam and the wide variety of clerics sheiks etc are not going to be too keen someone rounding up everything under a super Caliphate they just seem a little slow. If this happened in the Christian world they would probably have their throat cut by now one reason the various RW nutjobs have not found a single unifying voice. Ted Cruz may want the crown but I suspect he creates revulsion in even the RW nutjobs.

[Throd]

17. I believe the final chapter for most ISIS members will not end well.

Joining a fundamentalist death cult narrows your retirement options.

[Thor_MN]

49. Well, they do have a defined benefits pension...

slight problem in that the benefits are not in this life.

[freshwest]

147. They don't need to wait for the next life. They're enjoying raping and pillaging now.

They are truly 'living in the now.'

The religious bullshittery is used after the pleasures of power are attained to justify it.

[KT2000]

22. Agree! n/t

[sunnystarr]

23. I felt the same way when I saw the news. (nt)

[Martin Eden]

24. I think the world would be better off if they were dead.

But I think the world would be MUCH BETTER OFF if human beings who begin life as innocent children were not thrust into life experiences of grief and humiliation and rage that molded them into foot soldiers for a movement that is evidently even worse than the tyranny and corruption they fight against.

[sub.theory]

25. There's no saving these monsters

ISIS are clearly the new Nazis. They seek to conquer the middle east (and maybe the world) and purge all those they deem to be impure. They are the new Third Reich. They must be opposed and stopped.

[Martin Eden]

37. I didn't say they could be saved.

And I don't support their cause or excuse their actions.

I merely point out what should be obvious:
These abhorrent killers are the product of the circumstances into which they are born. Many born into the same circumstances reject ISIS, but in any swath of humanity you will find a variety of life experiences and psychological/emotional responses and influences. Cultures are different in different parts of the world, but human beings are human beings.

In other words, these people were born into situations that were orders of magnitude more fucked up than any of us can truly understand.

And abominations like ISIS will continue to arise as long as things are still so abominally fucked up.

[sub.theory]

38. It is indeed sad the conditions of Iraq today

I completely agree with you that it is a terrible injustice and terrible tragedy the conditions that exist in Iraq today. Sadly our nations shares part of the blame for that. I don't know how to resolve the situation at this point and I don't know that anyone has a good solution. I supported Obama's withdrawal of our troops from Iraq, but perhaps it was indeed too soon. It's a complete and total mess.

I didn't mean to imply that you support ISIS in any way. I do think that they must be opposed and defeated and I think we both agree on that point.

[Martin Eden]

39. "I don't know how to resolve the situation at this point"

Neither do I.

One thing I do know is -- what is absolutely essential -- we have to get our own house in order first.

Only then can the USA indeed become a beneficial force for good in this world.

[Boxerfan]

26. I wish we as a nation would prosecute the people who started the Iraq war.

Because without that ISIS would not exist in the form they do today. We made this damnation-every person we killed in Iraq has a family who will hate America/Americans-Forever.

Gonna be a hell of a mop up-I agree with the general sentiment,.

But I'd MUCH rather see the asshats who started this -ON PURPOSE-for profit of course-be prosecuted.

[sub.theory]

30. Agreed!

We remember well who opened Pandora's box 11 years ago. Many of us tried in vain to stop such madness. I don't think we can pin ISIS directly on Bush, Cheney, et al. but they certainly paved the way for them and they need to answer for their crimes.

[Agschmid]

35. I don't think that would solve this...

But it's not a bad start.

[pa28]

28. Go get 'em tough guy.

[MohRokTah]

31. Agreed, Trumad.

If we wiped every last one of them off the face of the earth, the world would be a better place.

Whatever it takes, I'm on board. Any religious fundamentalism that requires beheading those who disagree needs to be wiped from the face of the earth with no compunction or compassion, because none will be offered by these forces of evil.

[cui bono]

46. Whatever it takes? Nuclear bomb? You sure about that statement? n/t

[tkmorris]

61. I wanna see you face EVERY civilian who would die

and tell them why it is necessary. I believe you might change your mind. I am hopelessly naive.

[delete_bush]

64. Tell me,

if you PERSONALLY had to slit all their throats vs. outsourcing your murder to Blackwater/whomever, would you still be such a "macho man" ?

[NealK]

70. Dr. Strangelove I presume?

Then you wouldn't mind if some of those civilian casualties happened to be people you know, loved ones, familly? Yourself maybe? Would it still be worth the cost?

[RedCappedBandit]

94. Even if you were one of them? Your family?

[deutsey]

98. And into the Heart of Darkness we go...

Can you picture what will be? So limitless and free...

[a la izquierda]

111. Fucking hell, that's depraved. Nt

[Marr]

124. That is fucking sick.

I'm not surprised in the least.

[delete_bush]

148. Funny that one who calls for such

tough action self-deletes a mere anonymous post. Rather cowardly, I would say.

[Hippo_Tron]

32. After Germany surrendered, do you wish we had taken every remaining Nazi and executed them?

I certainly don't. I'm glad that we ended the Nazis as a political force, so they could no longer wreak destruction on the world. I'd love for that to happen to ISIS as well. Killing every single member is not required for that to happen.

[tabasco]

33. ISIS needs to be destroyed.

I'm just wondering how I would do it if I were President.

Air strikes, Ranger battalions, 18 Airborne Corps. This might be a war that needs fought.

[fadedrose]

36. Hope your wish comes true

No group ever needed killing more....

[d_r]

41. i hate to be a freaking bleeding heart

but I am.

I watched the vice videos about Isis over the last week.

What broke my heart was the children.

The hatred in the children.

The way the adults were fanning it.

The indoctrination.

And the adults were sort of like children too. Horrible children. Stupid, blind.

And I couldn't help but think we made it. We did that.

The videos are freaking awful. They are so depressing. So heart breaking.

I don't know what the answer is.

I don't know if those kids can be saved or how.

[cleduc]

42. No problem

Airdrop some cheap cigarillos and place a 911 shoplifting call to the Ferguson police

[Aerows]

45. Bunch of nutbags

And I don't agree with you lightly - but they are nutbags.

[Rhinodawg]

108. These people are crazy.

But don't judge an entire religion based on 1 or 2 nutjobs.

islam is a religion of peace.

[longship]

51. "god is not Great: How Religion Poisons everything"

I would like to interpose Christopher Hitchens' wonderful polemic here. It is a brilliant statement of religion in the world, and what god has wrought.


god is not Great

[flamingdem]

65. Atheism is looking better

every day!

[MFM008]

53. ISIL

would do that to every American they catch. I hope airstrikes do lots of damage.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

55. I know people who said we should have done that to the Confederates,...and the Klan.

[HuckleB]

59. Can you name them? Were they in positions of authority?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

60. No, they were 'hair on fire' activists like Thaddeus Stevens.

[gordianot]

67. This was the source of Southern reaction to the so called Carpetbaggers and Scalawags.

Following the Civil War reconstruction did not go well but in no way compares to modern atrocities in Iraq and Syria. Like post Civil War some undesirable elements went in and filled a void. What grew out of that was a segregated South whose poison moved North. Obviously to this day we have not recovered. I shudder to think the outcome in the Middle East

[HuckleB]

76. It was a f-d up, complex situation. I don't get this whole line of attack. It seems .....

.... well, a bit late

[gordianot]

84. I know a little about the Civil War who knows about what goes on with ISIS?

I can't resist one more. Today ex-Confederate James and Younger Gang would be considered outlaw terrorist. When Lincoln University was formed in jefferson City by the Colored Infantry Jesse James donated $100.00 in gold.

ISIS sounds more like a suicide cult.

No more insomnia for me.

[HuckleB]

58. I don't blame you... but, then...

many of them are only trying to survive their environment.

It's not an excuse, but put yourself in their place. 'Nuff said.

[Aerows]

63. I saw the beheading of James Foley, a journalist

I was tepid before, but after seeing that? Fuck them.

[NealK]

66. Is that you, John Wayne? Is this me?

[flamingdem]

68. trumad if you want to see how they think

check out this twitter feed from one of them, or one of their supporters, so disgustingly stupid!

https://twitter.com/Alansarialjanab

I didn't scroll very far down but so far nothing too bloody, others are worse. Twitter should start to block these guys.

[redqueen]

113. Is Twitter not deleting the accounts after they are used to post those pictures?

I assumed they must be.

[flamingdem]

115. They did delete some and the twitter posts refer to

attempts to delete accounts.

Makes me wonder why they leave so many intact though.

If you follow the links there are plenty of Isis accounts still there.

[The River]

69. I See Hatred isn't Limited to RW Web Sites

This place really has jumped that shark if this kind of OP gets rec'd.
I'd focus some of that anger at the people who destabilized the whole region.
How about the neighboring countries who tolerate and even finance these groups?
What's worse, a bunch of fundamentalists who shoot their enemies or
a bunch of fundamentalists who kill people slowly by paying poverty wages, denying medical care
or just shooting them for their skin color?
How about the corporations that kill by polluting the environment?

It must really suck to have that much hatred inside you!

[flamingdem]

74. Well it's a protective reaction to barbaric treatment

and let's face it humans have wiring for aggression - otherwise we'd never go to war.

It may take that wiring to get rid of Isis even if yes, the usa etc have a lot of blame.. but don't forget the aggression between shiite and sunni is 1600 years old

[The River]

82. Exactly, 1600 Years of Conflict

and we're going to fix it forever by killing ALL of them?

My point wasn't about ISIS or assigning blame, it's the call to violence in the OP that I find so sad.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

122. Islam itself isn't 1600 years old... nt

[951-Riverside]

78. Wait until people find out who trained, funded and gave weapons to these rebels

[IMG][/IMG]

[redqueen]

117. I read that their $ was coming from Saudi Arabia

and the black market for oil in Iraq.

[Doctor_J]

90. is this Fox nation or freeperville?

Yeesh. This place has completely come off the rails.

[RandiFan1290]

92. Let's get you signed up, tough guy!

http://todaysmilitary.com/contact-a-recruiter

or pass it along to your kids or grand kids. Sign them up!!

[GiveEmEnoughRope]

95. Why just ISIS? ALL Religions are the problem and create nothing but problems anyways have since man

invented religion to be used as a club against those who do not believe the same as they do.

Christians have been murdering people in America for centuries, even using their religion as justification of killing people so why limit your hate to just one religion when ALL are the problem?

[Chathamization]

96. Hey, maybe you can cut off their heads!

I guess it's reassuring knowing that people are people no matter where they're located.

[NuclearDem]

99. That group is just fucking evil incarnate.

[get the red out]

103. Agree

[NYC Liberal]

106. Agreed 100%.

[Orsino]

109. Killing people is how we got here, facing groups like ISIS.

I don't expect a lot of success in our latest war for peace.

What I would really like to do is to build our nation into one that leads instead of killing.

[Mojo Electro]

110. Couldn't agree more.

I'd be 100 percent okay with erasing every last one of them from the face of the earth.

[GusBob]

114. I didnt say it, but Thom Hartmann did today: this is exactly what they want

they want to draw us into an long term conflict, draw us out and bleed us dry.

Perhaps a better policy would be to take out the criminals responsible for this crime and others on a case by case basis and try to neutralize their supporters in other ways

passive aggressive I know, but full out aggression is exactly what these turds are hoping for...

[Blue_Tires]

116. I know I'm not one to talk, but trust me...I speak from experience...

Once you start wishing and daydreaming about killing everyone who "has it coming", it's self-defeating to your mental, emotional and physical health (not to mention spiritual), and eventually gives you a very jaundiced, unfeeling, and cynical view of your life and everyone else's...

Long-term, unhealthy anger in this sense is like acid that destroys your soul from the inside outward...Don't ask me how I know...

[Rhinodawg]

119. + 1000

[redqueen]

118. Would ISIS even exist if not for our decades-long wars in Iraq?

[maced666]

133. yes

[redqueen]

134. Explain how. Iraq was a secular country before we decimated the country for oil. nt

[Yavin4]

123. How can you tell who is ISIS and who is not?

They don't wear team uniforms which makes it impossible to tell who is who.

[Chathamization]

135. "if anyone insists on fighting our forces, he will be considered an ISIL militant whether he is or

not." Iraqi security official, per Reuters. But we should ignore that and get back to our two minutes of hate.

[mmonk]

127. I'm with you.

Life on earth would be better I think. Murdering a journalist has no positive meaning or justification.

[Chathamization]

132. “They all deserve to die” was the precise mentality behind the murder. N/T

[mmonk]

152. True but when I say it, I'm talking about ISIS, not a whole country,

religion, or non combatants.

[onecent]

128. this is the first thing that has happened that makes me want

to go to war and cream ISIS. ALL OF THE AREA....

[fadedrose]

129. I want a war with ISIS and I hate war

ISIS is the reason weapons were invented ahead of their time.....empty the arsenal and fire away . . .

[onecent]

131. Yep, I agree. But I cannot believe I had never heard

of ISIS before. I am a senior, keep up with politics, alot...hated Bush and worked at the democratic headquarters in North Kansas City back when.....I get confused with the muslim, islam, iraq, syria, and cannot tell who is on our side until my friend updates me, but ISIS need to get blown away...maggots.

I also hate war ...quite sick of the wars....and the racial wars in America are wearing me thin.

[fadedrose]

143. Bewildered

by the turn of events. A while back the President was criticized by everyone for not arming rebels in Syria...who were the rebels? What group? Sunis or Shiites? Our CIA had pegged them as not being a threat elsewhere...

Then, Biden arranged something with Russia where Assad would no longer use chemicals to gas his people, and I thought things were getting better in Syria, except for getting rid of Assad; that still had to be accomplished. All I heard of at the time were the rebels Assad was putting down... I hear of the killing of these Syrians and I don't understand who is doing the killing? ISIS or Assad? or are they one and the same?

Where did ISIS come in? Who started it, and who is their leader? And when's the first time we ever heard of it? I never heard of it until the went after the Iraqis and the religious groups there.

I thought most of the Islamic nations were afraid of ISIS, so who is backing it? Overnight they cause more fear in everyone than any group in the past.

[Lizzie Poppet]

142. Likewise.

I despise war...as does any sane person. But the presence of an armed militaristic group that is genuinely threatening to destroy you makes the case for war as a necessary evil. I'd take up arms against IS, if the opportunity presented itself.

[dilby]

140. Maybe if we just stayed out of their countries and their business we would not have to kill anyone.

Just a thought, seems the only reason they want to kill us is because we kill them.

[fadedrose]

145. The Kurds have been our staunchest ally

and when they get attacked, it would be like stabbing them in the back not to intervene in some way.

We didn't butt in, they asked for our help - they pleaded...

From what little I've seen, they are a very likable people and love Americans.

[flamingdem]

146. On the Ed Show right now guest says that we're screwed re: Isis

because if they fall back to Syria no one can win against them there -- and the US cannot side with Assad + the Free Syrian Army and the like don't have strength or organization or arms to fight -- or more importantly apparently the fervor ....

So Isis probably does feel it can taunt the USA and stay safe. Maybe it's time to discuss some things with Putin.

[AnalystInParadise]

151. We could

It would just involve a lot of collateral civilian death as well. But we definitely could do that.

[lonestarnot]

153. Kick