Here's the Hell of It: What Advice does a Father of a 17 yr. old Black Male Give His Son?

[Junkdrawer]

Now, if a cop says stop, the smart move is to throw up your hands and surrender.

But what if a creep in a pickup or SUV says stop? Maybe if Trayvon in THIS circumstance obeyed, he'd be alive. But what if it's a Tulsa-type creep?

And what kind of message is sent IF Bill Lee and Norm Wolfinger (who clearly, clearly engaged in a coverup - a coverup that will probably mean that Zimmerman eventually walks) are not held accountable?

If afraid the message is: Get a gun. And where the hell will THAT lead?

[Bigmack]

1. I'd tell the kid what my Gunny told me...

... and that is to RUN... Zig-zag... Run... Zig-zag... Run!

That's not cowardice... that's prudence.

It's a fucking combat zone out there!

[Bucky]

3. "Serpentine!"

When that was from a movie, it was a comedy. Now that it's from reality, it's just a grim joke.

[NNN0LHI]

18. This

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26. What I know

This is my 2nd response to the many posts. The 1st: a 17 year old teenager followed, threatened & murdered.
I know we have an incredible President who gave a dignified response.
I know there is a parallel investigation of what is civil rights and the abuse of.
I know SYG is a loophole to the constitution and will not stand the test of time.
I KNOW: TRY THEY MAY TO INCITE, WE WILL ONLY

UNITE

[bart95]

2. here's what a cop i knew told me

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pull over as soon as you are signaled

turn on your dome light

have license, reg and ins ready

keys out of the ignition

hands on the steering wheel

dont reach for anything, and in particular, dont make eye contact if you do

why? to tell him your arent armed, and you dont plan to run. (which also implies you're not a dangerous felon or an escaped convict) that's what they're trying to figure out as they approach the car. so the driver can calm down the armed stranger walking towards him

i've been pullled over once since i heard it, and got a warning (seat belt)

that's what the cop told this clean cut white guy

[Junkdrawer]

4. If it's a cop, you bet. But the problem is now the non-cop want-to-bes. And the racist nut jobs.

Because now there's a large number who defend Zimmerman. And do they think they're empowered to follow his lead?

[Rex]

6. And of course we are not talking about a cop, but a gun totting murderer.

I clear difference to anyone paying attention. Kinda like night and day.

[bart95]

11. 'do i think they're empowered to follow his lead'? -> no, I dont

it is not in anyone's self interest to put themselves in Zimmerman's position

rightly or wrongly, he is at serious criminal charge, liability and personal safety risk

i would never have considered using a gun for those reasons, and i didnt need this incident to come to that conclusion, i already had

[Junkdrawer]

12. Do you think Zimmerman should be arrested?

[bart95]

13. it certainly looks like it

but i'm on neither the police or the da's payroll

that's their burdon, not mine

in any case, i dont have any sympathy for the predicament he (zimmerman)chose to put himself in

by arming himself, he exposed to put what he claimed to be protecting, at massive financial risk

any type of security detail, beyond unarmed non confrontational watch, needs to be handled by trained, bonded professionals

[exboyfil]

5. Or a Wayne Williams, John Wayne Gacy, or Jeffrey Dahmer

Who all killed children or young adults near Trayvon's age.

So when two licensed carriers have a gunfight, who is at fault - are one or both standing their ground? How can you even sort it out? How quickly do you reach for your gun in a bar fight? If an unarmed child can be gunned down in a public space (even if he threw the first punch in defense), how are you ever going to sort this out?

A crazy guy in a SUV is following you with a gun on his hip? What the hell are you supposed to do?

[freshwest]

7. I don't really care for Robert Heinlein, but he is purported to have said:

An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.

This is a favorite among gun rights enthusiasts. There are different mind sets among different people. Most people do not ever feel the need to carry a gun.

If we are devolving to something akin to the wild west, the days of dueling or the like, and we appear to be, blacks could resort to CCW or open carry as the state they live in allows, as a matter of course.

Would it stifle white supremacists to know that blacks are armed and trained to fight back with their weapons of choice?

I don't know. But at one time we had infrastructure and law enforcement that was supposed to be regulated, by citizens review commissions, to keep them fair and all citizens treated as they should be. Now we don't have much of any regulation or citizen input in the way these things are being done.

Someone else can give you a better answer, I'm sure.

[Junkdrawer]

9. Once the 911 tapes were released, a sane society would have united in a call....

for Zimmerman's immediate arrest. If there were mitigating circumstances, let that come up at the trial.

But instead, the RW media rallied to Zimmerman's defense. One wonders if they think anything through.

[freshwest]

17. They're paid to deliver anxiety to keep their viewers' focus on underlying fear without thinking:

Anxiety leads to a narrowing of the field of attention, the so-called tunnel vision, and when people are anxious, they are unable to attend to the total situation as is necessary to enable them to act rationally, but impulsively do the first thing that comes into their heads, which is usually determined by what others are doing at the same time. -- J. A. C. Brown, 'Techniques of Persuasion'

And at that point, RW media loads the gun of the mind toward liberals, Democrats, immigrants, minorities, etc. We are trapped inside our flesh and can't help but react.

[Junkdrawer]

20. In a dark moment, I suspected a domestic strategy of tension....

I don't think we're there yet, but it's looking less crazy every day.

[freshwest]

21. I've had a lot of dark moments like that, but none of them have come true. Think 50-50.

The chance of our worst nightmares coming to pass are never any better than 50%.

[provis99]

10. an armed society is a rude, aggressive society.

for a lot of people, having a gun makes them more confident in pushing other people around.

[freshwest]

19. No more proof is needed than the actions of Zimmermann.

[davekriss]

24. An armed society is ... Beirut, not a lovely place to be (nt)

[Zax2me]

8. Nothing different than what a white father might say.

In 99+% of cases the correct advice would apply to either race.

[Junkdrawer]

14. I don't worry that a black man with a gun will profile my son as a burgler - not a real threat.

I honestly could not say the same were races reversed.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. You really need to read on white privilidge

no, not made up, it is very real.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. I really do not know

we are back in a very dark place in American history, if we ever left...

I don't have kids, but as a White Jew I know that my kids would have far less chances of being stopped, and question for walking or driving while black. I also know security will not become like dirt to them.

That said, since I do have an accent, once they hear me at stores, I tend to get some of that treatment as well.

[saras]

22. Mutual Assured Destruction. Everyone should always wear a BIG suicide vest.

You'd better use a sniper rifle if you want to mess with someone, because 16 square blocks will turn to dust.

[applegrove]

23. This Trayvon Martin case ****s them up. How are you supposed to judge someone harrassing

you & following you on the street after this? Same as racism cause it is racism. It is a big piece of shit the world has put on these kids young lives which traumatizes them. I mean the police and the lawyers are having a hard enough time dealing with the this specific case and they have had weeks ........ how they hell are 17 year old boys supposed to be any wiser in the seconds it took for this to happen to Trayvon.

[davekriss]

25. Gun, Gil Scot-Heron

Brother Man nowadays living in the ghetto...

This is a violent civilization
If civilization's where I am
Every channel that I stop on
Got a different kind of cop on
Killing them by the million for Uncle Sam

Saturday night just ain't that special
Yeah, I got the constitution on the run
'Cause even though we've got the right
To defend our home, to defend our life
Got to understand to get it in hand about the guns

Saturday night just ain't that special
Freedom to be afraid is all you want
Yes if you don't want to be next
You've got a family to protect
9 out of 10, you've got a friend, you've got a gun.

Everybody got a pistol, this mosty be the NRA
Yeah 'cause when it's time to shine up
You know damn well they're gonna line up
Everybody...

And the philosophy seem to be
At least as near as I can see
When other folks give up theirs, I'll give up mine


Or, per an earlier post: We're all livin in Beirut