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"Rioting" is in quotation marks because it's so much fucking better to hurt property when filled with rage than it is to go door to door killing people. People questioning the looting can kiss my ass. Some people, I don't want to point any fingers, have a history of lynching people when filled with rage. Goddamn your precious fucking property. Is it too much to ask to have murderers arrested? It's bad enough that they ain't going to get convicted, but can we get a goddamned arrest? And assholes are running their pieholes about why looting is stupid. KISS MY ASS! Keep on talking shit. One day you going to wish it's looting instead of something else.
End of rant. (Until I hear the next asshole pissing me off) We can never even get a fucking arrest without burning up shit. And assholes are questioning why the looting.
KG
(28,751 posts)edgineered
(2,101 posts)who used to talk that crap around me at work. I'm the only liberal around here but no one evens dares talk like that around me anymore. Good rant.
Baitball Blogger
(46,702 posts)Even people committed to Civil Rights causes have been known to question the commitment and motivation of the looters.
Activists or Opportunists? If it waters down the message, how can it be helpful?
I would prefer to see them spray painting messages of freedom on the buildings, rather than see them loot.
Solomon
(12,310 posts)goddamned well why people burn and loot. Don't be naive. What the fuck is so goddamned hard about arresting a motherfucker? Hunh? Can you answer that? What the fuck is the problem? And don't give me that "he was armed with the sidewalk" bullshit since in this case, he never made it to a sidewalk.
Baitball Blogger
(46,702 posts)So let's not confuse that part of the argument.
What we're debating has to do with the effectiveness of looting to achieve that purpose, right?
Wouldn't it make more sense to march in protest, as in Selma, rather than to perform a criminal act that will play right into the police's hands?
Solomon
(12,310 posts)If burning property is necessary to make that happen, then so fucking be it. Marching in "free speech" zones ain't gonna make that happen.in the year 2014. Sorry that's uncomfortable for you, but enough is fucking enough.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)RKP5637
(67,107 posts)and broken, and works against them. So often in the US civil rights and justice have only been served once people assembled and went over the top. Being nice generally never works.
TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)worked at all is the less discussed other alternative that allowed folks like King to be negotiated with.
Power never gives peaceably, not truly. Power will negotiate to keep power but even the most peaceful will be regarded and treated as radicals until there are some real radicals that constitute a real threat to transform the peaceful into moderates that can be worked with.
Peaceful marching around with correctly spelled signs and getting your fair share of abuse has never done a damn thing on its own in this country, that is sanitized bullshit to keep you dreaming, saying baaaaa, living a delusion, and trying to keep going despite the frustration of the impotence of knowing you really are just taking a stroll that might get you jailed, beaten, or killed so people stop bothering to even do that.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)Certainly they were better armed than those real radicals. Why didn't they just shoot them all?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Better to use the word "motherfucker" as often as possible and sound really, really tough and cool.
NOLALady
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movement. It was common knowledge that many of the "rioters and looters" were plants. I have no reason to believe that anything has changed.
I doubt if they are Activists or Opportunists. I suspect plants to give the PTB an excuse to mow them down. I could be wrong, but that's JMHO!
RKP5637
(67,107 posts)was one of my first thoughts ... and MSM is always more than willing to advance the cause of provocateurs, seldom questions asked and hardly ever any real investigative reporting. MSM is a tool.
One of my worries is what happens when the owners and operators of private prisons want some 'work' done?
Baitball Blogger
(46,702 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)for all to see.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)The owners of the small businesses can't afford to rebuild. And, they did nothing to deserve the destruction of their livelihood.
I understand rage. I don't understand advocating for taking the rage out on innocent people.
Lets just see if it is. If I owned a business, I would do a lot of searching to see if there is a better location to go to before I rebuilt.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Do I need a sarcasm thingie?
marble falls
(57,079 posts)you'd be looking at a jury result.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)The issue is death and abuse but some have wanted to turn it around to fit the 'thug' meme.
If anyone wants peace, it won't work without wanting justice first. He should be arrested, but it's very hard to do that, it usually takes years.
The people need to be shown that they are safe from him and that there will be consequences. At this rate, he'll be out of the country by the time anything gets done.
Every action the cops have taken since the beginning has just made things worse. I feel bad for the people living in and around that town.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)The governor, and if not, the President, needs to step in and stop these lunatic police from attacking the citizens of this town.
The cops have lost they damn minds.
GReedDiamond
(5,311 posts)...they are out of control, the Feds need to step in.
National Guard needs to rein in the local militarized cops.
This is way-crazy shit by the cops in Ferguson.
Or, more practically, reveal the name of the murdering cop, indict him, charge him with murder...and the people of Ferguson will most likely stand down without Federal intervention.
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Solomon
(12,310 posts)the rage that I feel. I want to hurt someone. Do you understand that? I really don't think you do. Would you prefer that property get burned or people? Hunh? You have absolutely no concept of the "death by a thousand cuts" existence that black folk in this country live day by day, do you? We have to watch white guys point guns at law enforcement and see law enforcement back down while gunning down unarmed black males day after day. You have absolutely no idea of the rage generated by that. But go right ahead and stay on your high horse.
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aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)If not, the chief of police must be completely high on drugs.
Solomon
(12,310 posts)Their bent on further enraging is by claiming the guy was trying to get into the police car and grab the cop's gun.
I thought the Trayvon Martin case was bad enough with the idea that he doubled back to attack Zimmerman after trying to get away from him. NOW THEY WANT US TO BELIEVE THAT A BLACK MAN WAS ACTUALLY TRYING TO GET INTO A POLICE CAR! What the fuck! Was he trying to arrest himself!!? I mean, what the fuck!!
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)supposedly Michael Brown ran away from the car after the first bullet he took inside the car. As i recall reading, the cop then emerged from the car and shot him in the back to finish him off. I'm not sure how far away Brown's body ended up from the police car, but shooting a wounded fleeing man in the back when self-defense is no longer an issue is still murder.
RKP5637
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Solomon
(12,310 posts)Pfft!!
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http://theobamacrat.com/
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Quite frankly, they're way out of their depth.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Milquetoast pacifist?
Gandhi?
Just wondering.
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)and not just the romanticized parts.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)For instance, would MLK's movement have been so successful, if not for the threat of a more "extreme" or less peaceful response represented by the likes of Malcolm X?'
Ideally, I think the MLK's and the Malcom X's of the world should complement and reinforce each other. I was also in a pretty foul mood when I made that previous post, so take that into account as well.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)I think that the police should be arrested and tried, that would start the healing. Enough with black youths being shot to death by a few racist police, but no, they get benefits, they get a desk job and fuck the victims family. That is how is was and it will continue, some lives are good and some are expendable. Land of the fucking free and brave! You and I both know, the system will never change.
Imagine a black mother with a son, always having to worry when he goes out. And fuck that shit about being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Does the child know where is the right place at the right time to be!
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)exactly what happened. A child got killed, gunned down in the back for no reason, his arms were up in the air. Imagine if he/she were your child! Won't you be angry? I know I would but how do you get justice when the DOJ is equipping the police to be exterminators against one group of people? This is not the first time, there are many and Zimmerman is a hero for some on here!
Solomon
(12,310 posts)So please allow me to say it again:
ARREST THE MOTHER FUCKER!
Why do we have to burn a city down just to get an arrest?
He will have his fucking day in court. Why the fuck can we never get a goddamned arrest?
mythology
(9,527 posts)But also at this point, there hasn't yet been an established probable cause to arrest the officer. So you're basically saying that we should give in to mob mentality because a bunch of people say the cop is guilty. That's not the way it works.
Solomon
(12,310 posts)and bullets in his back. I guess probable cause only exists if witnesses are white? Arrestingc a perpetrator has absolutely nothing to do with mob mentality. The fucker will post bond have his preliminary hearing and his day in court. Your post is disgusting. There's obviously no probable cause when a white cop kills a black man. People are angry because they are not stupid!
Trayvon was armed with the sidewalk. This guy never even got to the sidewalk so what the fuck was he armed with?
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Is there a link to the autopsy yet? I believe that will confirm such a charge.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Interesting how this has become a meme.
qazplm
(3,626 posts)you cant definitely tell there isn't a single bullet in his back just from the pics/video we've seen so far.
Obviously, an autopsy will be enlightening.
djean111
(14,255 posts)and that Michael's family may even been billed for the bullets and the clean-up.
These are police who tried to charge a guy they had beaten up, who was the wrong guy (although no one should be beaten up) for getting his blood on their uniforms.
NOLALady
(4,003 posts)Without Malcolm and Huey, TPTB would not have paid attention to MLK.
TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)that must ever be maintained because there will be none of this systemic problem and correction talk.
If all else fails then with infinite reluctance this fine patriot will be sacrificed to the bloodthirsty mob but the idea is to never address root causes including new folk hero cop, Johnson and most Democrats.
djean111
(14,255 posts)we have seen the militarization of the American police in all of its ugly glory, we see patterns, we see a lot of very ugly asses - political and otherwise. This has all been very enlightening to some people, including the press. While I deplore what happened to that reporter in the MacDonald's, I think it was very educational.
TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)and they are not going to placated until that happens.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)The looters are merely opportunistic crooks taking advantage of the situation. They are not 'filled with rage', they're simply stealing while they've got a chance. The folks who want justice have even put themselves in danger confronting the looters.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)And "opportunistic crooks" will always exist where possible. Ultimately, they're fairly irrelevant to the situation.
Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)There are people that are actually protesting an injustice, but they aren't the ones burning down their neighbor's stores and stealing their neighbor's things. They are two different groups of people.
Solomon
(12,310 posts)Some people know that Kum by ya doesn't do diddly without the alternative on display. You are naive. You presume that all burners and looters are animals. I think you're wrong.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)are helping no one.
Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)You are wrong for saying that I do.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)And it has nothing to do with anyone being "animalistic" - at worst, they're opportunistic and mercenary, at best, they're simply human beings harboring more rage and pain than they can handle.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)It doesn't matter how you try to justify it. It's just a criminal act.
VanGoghRocks
(621 posts)the language of the unheard," I think you might find this article illuminating. (Apologies if you've already seen it.)
From the Boston Tea Party to Shays Rebellion, riots made America, for better or worse. In the past, white rioters have had access to institutional power, which allowed some of their grievances to be legitimized and politically resolved, at least to extent possible in a capitalist society. The key for the Ferguson uprising, as with any unsustainable political moment, is to transition outrage and disruption into constructive political organization. Easier said than done but its a better reaction than dismissing the riots and only making it more difficult for the people to accomplish this herculean task.
Malcolm X reminds us that media is a key instrument of subjugation because it determines which acts are respectable and which are extreme and thus illegitimate. Instead of following that familiar script, lets push back against narratives about rioters being devoid of politics. Lets find ways to honestly observe and discuss their political needs, rather than simply criticizing the nature of their response to social violence.
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/08/in-defense-of-the-ferguson-riots/
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)and which are extreme and thus illegitimate."
Exactly. And I'm sure the irony of a regressive political movement named after the Boston Tea Party is not lost on many of us.
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)(umm, but apparently I'm saying it anyway)
Until there is recourse and accountability this state of 'emergency' will not end.
You are on point.
The obsession with property has to end, particularly in *this* context when the life of a young black man is worth nothing, when there is a war against the poor and against minorities and so many people refuse to see that this is SYSTEMIC, it is not an exception. FUCK property. It is becoming so obvious that protecting property is the ultimate purpose of the police. And a human body doesn't count as property unless it is lucky or well-connected.
What is a community supposed to do when there is NO RECOURSE?
All these people who thought getting a black man from the highway patrol on the job would do the trick, a symbolic move, while 2 days later after more bullshit from the local cops and now a patronizing paternalistic 'curfew', man this is so deep and the only fucking silver lining is that people are finally seeing it.
The state of 'emergency' is that the people in power are freaked the fuck out and they don't want to dig their hole any deeper in violence but the only way to do that is to *be straight* about what the fuck is going on. To stop with this nominal symbolic shit and confront the fact that CONDITIONS ARE FUCKING TERRIBLE AND THERE IS A WAR AGAINST THE PEOPLE.
This is not just in Ferguson, MO, this is in NYC and Oakland and Ohio and Hollywood. --MoJo
Damn.
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Solomon
(12,310 posts)The worst is yet to come because next we get to see the demonization of the victim and the black community. All the excuses for why it's okay to shoot a black kid who has his hands in the air and why I'm the problem for being pissed about it.
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)I only have so much time/patience/energy to post here, especially about something like this, but my thoughts have been building all week and I thank you for providing a thread that helped me get it out.
This situation is really showing where the lines are drawn.
Logical
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