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Mon Apr 9, 2012, 04:20 PM

FYI. Syria, or local commanders

Might have escalated to international conflict.

Per BBC, while in the car, snipers fired into Turkey, killing a few people including a medic. Turkey has demanded to see the Ambassador.

Also sniper took out a photographer on the Libanese side of the border. Want to bet Israel and Jordan are on alert?

Oh and this could be considered an act of war.

Yup this is very serious in spite of some people's snark.



The unprecedented cross-border battles, which claimed the lives of two Syrian refugees and a Lebanese reporter, came just hours before a ceasefire deadline came into force.

The Turkish government, which has already threatened to take military action to protect its border, summoned Syria's envoy to Ankara to demand an official explanation.

According to Turkish officials, Syrian troops pursued rebels across the border following an attack on a checkpoint that killed six soldiers. Two Syrian nationals, described as civilian, were subsequently shot dead as they tried to escape to the nearby Killis refugee camp.

It was unclear whether the two victims had already crossed the frontier but five more people including a Turkish policeman were later shot and wounded, this time indisputably on Turkish soil.
Shortly afterwards, Lebanon's Al-Jadeed Television network said that one of its cameramen, Ali Shabaan, died after Syrian troops opened fire on his car on the Lebanese side of the border. A colleague in the same vehicle was wounded.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9194463/Turkey-states-Syrian-peace-initiative-dead-after-Syrian-troops-fire-across-border.html

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nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 OP
greytdemocrat Apr 2012 #1
nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #2
leveymg Apr 2012 #3
nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #4
Fool Count Apr 2012 #5
tabatha Apr 2012 #6
zappaman Apr 2012 #8
tabatha Apr 2012 #7
nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #9

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Mon Apr 9, 2012, 04:22 PM

1. Thanks for the heads up

General.

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Response to greytdemocrat (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 9, 2012, 04:24 PM

2. So you think it's normal for snipers to take shots into another country?

Casus belli, look it up.

(What a nasty response by the way...miss manners, you could learn some)

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 9, 2012, 04:44 PM

3. ""There were clashes between FSA and Syrian army . . . not clear if injured

were refugees or FSA members. While Syrian army was shooting on Syrian, bullets injured 4 people in the camp too." This was no unprovoked sniper attack on innocent refugees. Here's a link to a local account: Fixer, Syrian border ‏ @Fixer_Turkey, reposted at: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=536975

To avoid any misunderstanding, let me explain what has happened today in Kilis at Syria Turkey border around Syrian refugee camp

The Syrian refugee camp in Kilis is right at official border border gate Oncupinar in Kilis

In late nihgt early morning Syrian army attacked on a village near Al izzaz and there were clashes between FSA and Syrian army

Many refugees came to Turkey border very early morning and were trying to cross into Turkey where Kilis camp is

Turkish police and military did not let refugees to cross into Turkey from there because the area is a land mines filed

Syrian refugees in the camp were angry went out of teh camp and were trying to bring new refugees into Turkey

While those refugees were trying to cross into Turkey, Syrian army's snipers were shooting them at the same time

Finally the refugees were able to brought to Turkish side of the border but 21 people were injured in Syrian side

It was not clear if injured were refugees or FSA members. Whlie Syrian army was shooting on Syrian, bullets injured 4 people in the camp too

2 of those 21 injured died and 19 have been taken to hospital. 2 Syrian and 2 Turks have been injured
in camp also taken to hospital.

Fixer,
Syrian border

@Fixer_Turkey

Fixer/Translator for foreign media. Speaks Turkish, Kurdish, English, German, Persian and some Arabic. In Hatay at Turkey Syrian border at the moment.


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Response to leveymg (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 9, 2012, 06:15 PM

4. When the story broke, not clear

As is even hot pursuit and firing into another country, while provoked, is considered a very serious escalation.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 9, 2012, 06:34 PM

5. When western press reports say "not clear" it is almost certainly anti-Assad forces

 

that did it and there must be at least some evidence implicating them. The rule in
covering this conflict seems to be always blame Assad if you can get away with it.
If there is a chance that evidence to the contrary might come to light, then say
"not clear" and everyone will think on Assad anyway.

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Response to Fool Count (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 9, 2012, 07:09 PM

6. The Syrian forces have burned down a small wooded area to have a clearer shot at the

people fleeing into Syria.

There is so much baseless conjecture in some of these replies, it is not what left fact-finders do.

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Response to tabatha (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 9, 2012, 07:12 PM

8. uh oh

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 9, 2012, 07:10 PM

7. This is plainly false conjecture.

See post #3.

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Response to tabatha (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 9, 2012, 07:14 PM

9. That somebody took pot shots across the border

is not conjecture. That is well established.

That the Ambassador of Syria was called on emergency basis to the equivalent of state in Ankara is not conjecture either.

That this could be a nasty international incident, is not conjecture either given established precedent.

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