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Uncle Joe

(58,354 posts)
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 09:05 PM Jul 2014

'There Will Be No Water' by 2040? Researchers Urge Global Energy Paradigm Shift



"There will be no water by 2040 if we keep doing what we're doing today," said Professor Benjamin Sovacool of Denmark's Aarhus University, who co-authored two reports on the world's rapidly decreasing sources of freshwater.

Many troubling global trends could worsen these baseline projected shortages. According to the report, water resources around the world are "increasingly strained by economic development, population growth, and climate change." The World Resources Institute estimates that in India, "water demand will outstrip supply by as much as 50 percent by 2030, a situation worsened further by the country's likely decline of available freshwater due to climate change," the report states. " Power demand could more than double in northern China, more than triple in India, and increase by almost three-quarters in Texas."


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In addition to an expanding global population, economic development, and an increasing demand for energy, the report also finds that the generation of electricity is one of the biggest sources of water consumption throughout the world, using up more water than even the agricultural industry. Unlike less water-intensive alternative sources of energy like wind and solar systems, fossil fuel-powered and nuclear plants need enormous and continued water inputs to function, both for fueling thermal generators and cooling cycles.

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The research says that utilizing alternative energy sources like wind and solar systems is vital to mitigating water consumption enough to stave off the crisis. "Unsubsidized wind power costs... are currently lower than coal or nuclear and they are continuing to drop," the report states. When faced with its worst drought in 2011, Texas got up to 18 of its electricity from wind power and was able to avoid the kind of rolling blackouts that plague parts of China, where existing water shortages prevent power plants from operating.

http://commondreams.org/news/2014/07/30/there-will-be-no-water-2040-researchers-urge-global-energy-paradigm-shift




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'There Will Be No Water' by 2040? Researchers Urge Global Energy Paradigm Shift (Original Post) Uncle Joe Jul 2014 OP
India and China should work towards Zero population growth FreakinDJ Jul 2014 #1
+1 million Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #2
Is it just me or -- Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #25
I agree, FreakinDJ and we need to accelerate a major switchover to renewable forms of energy Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #5
the whole world. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2014 #13
To give China their due, they've already been working on that muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #27
Let's stop wasting it on fracking, lawn watering, and other NON ESSENTIAL wastes of water NightWatcher Jul 2014 #3
Here in LA all the freeways are lined with lush green borders that have to be regularly watered. Kablooie Jul 2014 #11
That pipe rupture PasadenaTrudy Aug 2014 #23
No USABLE fresh water. hobbit709 Jul 2014 #4
FRACKING, 2-8 million gallons each well, per frack. Divernan Jul 2014 #6
That's a nice post and link, Divernan. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #7
I had no idea malaise Jul 2014 #8
Here in Colorado, the big sell is on. Two fracking regulating amendments will be on the ballot mountain grammy Aug 2014 #17
And marions ghost Aug 2014 #24
Peak Oil! BootinUp Jul 2014 #9
Look at the maps of extreme drought in California, at this link. Divernan Jul 2014 #10
This is a rapidly growing catastrophe, Divernan. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #12
I've had word that the annual event I go to in Sacramento, HeiressofBickworth Jul 2014 #14
As a local, I suspect construction more than drought. LeftyMom Aug 2014 #18
Sacramento Bee July 28, 2014 HeiressofBickworth Aug 2014 #19
Pretty sure that's not it. LeftyMom Aug 2014 #20
We could just start by stopping or diminishing our eating meat. flvegan Jul 2014 #15
Jeremy Rifkin - 5 Reasons Why Nuclear Power Is A Dead Ender Business Model DeSwiss Jul 2014 #16
a Native American prophesied bigtree Aug 2014 #21
k&r Duppers Aug 2014 #22
i.e. "no safe, cheap and easily available water" 0rganism Aug 2014 #26

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
25. Is it just me or --
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 01:34 PM
Aug 2014

Is there something chortle-worthy about agreeing with a call for zero population growth with a post of "+1 million"?

Not a criticism, just noting.

Uncle Joe

(58,354 posts)
5. I agree, FreakinDJ and we need to accelerate a major switchover to renewable forms of energy
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 09:15 PM
Jul 2014

as well and get off this headlong dash down the fossil fuel dead end.

Humanity needs to find balance and ways of living in harmony with our environment.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
13. the whole world.
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 11:30 PM
Jul 2014

I've been saying for decades that human overpopulation is the ultimate, root cause of every emergency we face on this planet.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,310 posts)
27. To give China their due, they've already been working on that
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:27 PM
Aug 2014

Some say they've been too authoritarian about it. The UN estimate (medium variant) has their population hitting maximum (1,453 million) in 2030, dropping to 1,436 million by 2040 (currently about 1,380 million).

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
3. Let's stop wasting it on fracking, lawn watering, and other NON ESSENTIAL wastes of water
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 09:13 PM
Jul 2014

Make illegal water use punishable by public whipping.

Also try to reign in corporations wasting water. Lets promote desalination research and implementation.

Kablooie

(18,628 posts)
11. Here in LA all the freeways are lined with lush green borders that have to be regularly watered.
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 10:22 PM
Jul 2014

It looks nice but it wastes a hell of a lot of water.
They should explore walls, artwork, rocks or anything that doesn't drink up our water resources.

In the last few weeks California, at least, implemented a 500$ fine for anyone who has water running into the street.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
6. FRACKING, 2-8 million gallons each well, per frack.
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 09:57 PM
Jul 2014
How much water is used during fracking operations?

Generally, 2-8 million gallons of water may be used to frack a well. Some wells consume much more. A well may be fracked multiple times, with each frack increasing the chances of chemical leakage into the soil and local water sources.

The sheer volume of water brought to and from the fracking site means a glut of tanker trucks through your town. The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation estimates each well, per frack, will require 2.4 to 7.8 million gallons of water. This translates into roughly 400 to 600 tanker truckloads of liquids to the well, and 200 to 300 tanker truckloads of liquid waste from the well. An eighteen-wheeler weighs up to 80,000 lbs. Day-in, day-out, these trucks destroy roads and bridges, leaving towns to clean up the mess.

Further, the one-well model is not an accurate representation of fracking operations, which can consist of 20 wells per "pad" and dozens of pads. Overall, 38,400 to 172,800 tanker truck trips are possible over a well pad life.

http://www.gaslandthemovie.com/whats-fracking/faq/water-used

In addition the fracking fluid, containing a witch's brew of toxic chemicals/heavy metals contaminates nearby wells, seeps into water tables, spills via leaky containment vessels into rivers and streams, etc.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
17. Here in Colorado, the big sell is on. Two fracking regulating amendments will be on the ballot
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 12:15 AM
Aug 2014

in Nov. The oil and gas money is being spread thick. Meantime we have 300 days of sunshine and abundant mountain winds.

Safe fracking is like clean coal. It doesn't exist. But every pretty face, Republicans and Democrats, are telling me Colorado needs fracking.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
10. Look at the maps of extreme drought in California, at this link.
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 10:12 PM
Jul 2014

Data released Thursday by the U.S. Drought Monitor shows that 58 percent of California is facing “exceptional drought,” the most severe condition on the center’s scale and the worst ever recorded in the state.

“You keep beating the record, which are still all from this year," climatologist Mark Svoboda of the National Drought Mitigation Center told the Los Angeles Times, noting that this is the first time such dryness has ever been recorded in California since the federal government started releasing drought reports in the 1990s.

The latest assessment is a startling jump from two months ago, when the entire state was first labeled as being in “severe” drought or worse.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/31/california-drought-record-dry_n_5639039.html?cps=gravity

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
14. I've had word that the annual event I go to in Sacramento,
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 11:51 PM
Jul 2014

Gold Rush Days, has been cancelled due to the drought. The festival began 14 years ago, always a Labor Day weekend event, and draws huge crowds (est. 100,000 over 3 days). Think of the hotels, restaurants, saloons, and small businesses that have relied on this annual boost in income and will not receive it this year. Not to mention the vendors, performers, historical re-enactors, and "strollers" (costumed individuals) who look forward to this event all year. I've cancelled my trip and hotel reservations. It will be a long time until Labor Day 2015.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
18. As a local, I suspect construction more than drought.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 12:26 AM
Aug 2014

The mall accross the freeway from Old Sac starts getting knocked down tomorrow (edit: for the arena, which is all the mayor cares about,) and that area is going to be a noisy, dusty traffic snarl without adding tourist traffic.

OTOH, I can't imagine the drought being a factor at all.

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
19. Sacramento Bee July 28, 2014
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 12:58 AM
Aug 2014

"Old Sacramento’s Gold Rush Days, hosted over the Labor Day weekend since 2000, have been canceled because of the drought, city tourism officials announced Monday.

The Sacramento Convention and Visitors Bureau, which organizes the annual event, said it used lots of water. To recreate the atmosphere of the 1850s, the city covers the streets of Old Sacramento in dirt. It then has to dampen the roads to keep the dust down, which requires 3,000 gallons of water a day. Another 100,000 gallons of water is needed at the end of the weekend to wash the dirt away."

As to the suggestion that they dispense with the dirt, the Bee says:

"Hammond said the convention bureau board of directors was also concerned that the lack of soft dirt would make streets hazardous for performers and the farm horses that draw wagons through Old Sacramento during the event. Unlike the horses that pull carriages in Old Sacramento year-round, these horses are not used to walking on asphalt streets for four straight days."

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2014/07/28/6587925/drought-forces-cancellation-of.html#storylink=cpy

Apparently, the mayor isn't pleased with the cancellation because city tourism officials did not consult him first. I love Gold Rush Days and have traveled from Seattle every Labor Day weekend for the past 11 years to participate. I'm one of the "strollers". My friend who lives there keeps my costumes at her place so I don't have to schlep them back and forth every year. I'll really miss the event this year. I always have such a good time.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
20. Pretty sure that's not it.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 01:04 AM
Aug 2014

They could have opted out of the dirt and limited the horses, rather than cancel entirely. But there's a huge construction site next door, which will need the same parking areas and freeway ramps.

Nobody ever made a decision in Sacramento that wasn't about making developers money. The timing of the decision is indicative: the city's construction bond was approved a few days ago, demo starts tomorrow.

flvegan

(64,407 posts)
15. We could just start by stopping or diminishing our eating meat.
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 11:54 PM
Jul 2014

Just saying. It could happen for everyone today, or tomorrow.

bigtree

(85,990 posts)
21. a Native American prophesied
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 01:16 AM
Aug 2014

. . . it will look like water, but it won't be water. We won't be able to drink it.

0rganism

(23,944 posts)
26. i.e. "no safe, cheap and easily available water"
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 01:42 PM
Aug 2014

If you're rich, you'll still be able to get plenty of water to drink, bathe in, and irrigate your spacious lawns. For the rest of us, things are going to be a bit different...

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