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devilgrrl Apr 2012 OP
Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #1
progressoid Apr 2012 #74
Ecumenist Apr 2012 #2
NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #3
Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #7
NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #12
Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #14
NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #22
Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #23
anti-alec Apr 2012 #39
MADem Apr 2012 #27
BiggJawn Apr 2012 #40
devilgrrl Apr 2012 #53
pansypoo53219 Apr 2012 #56
mopinko Apr 2012 #66
laundry_queen Apr 2012 #75
COLGATE4 Apr 2012 #59
NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #60
COLGATE4 Apr 2012 #83
DefenseLawyer Apr 2012 #10
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2012 #11
Arugula Latte Apr 2012 #13
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2012 #15
tammywammy Apr 2012 #17
Logical Apr 2012 #21
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2012 #25
Logical Apr 2012 #34
Arugula Latte Apr 2012 #37
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2012 #76
proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #65
NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #68
proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #73
obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #78
proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #82
Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2012 #4
valerief Apr 2012 #5
ScreamingMeemie Apr 2012 #8
Ikonoklast Apr 2012 #19
MADem Apr 2012 #28
BiggJawn Apr 2012 #38
HillWilliam Apr 2012 #69
guitar man Apr 2012 #6
ScreamingMeemie Apr 2012 #9
ellisonz Apr 2012 #16
lonestarnot Apr 2012 #18
Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #20
NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #26
Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #33
Chorophyll Apr 2012 #31
Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #35
HillWilliam Apr 2012 #72
Heddi Apr 2012 #24
Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #30
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2012 #32
Ikonoklast Apr 2012 #36
juxtaposed Apr 2012 #29
devilgrrl Apr 2012 #41
Canuckistanian Apr 2012 #42
progressoid Apr 2012 #71
Speck Tater Apr 2012 #43
ScreamingMeemie Apr 2012 #48
REP Apr 2012 #44
MissB Apr 2012 #45
Nye Bevan Apr 2012 #46
Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2012 #47
ScreamingMeemie Apr 2012 #49
Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2012 #54
Trajan Apr 2012 #50
Blue_In_AK Apr 2012 #51
Raine Apr 2012 #52
Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #55
cali Apr 2012 #57
Quantess Apr 2012 #58
NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #61
Quantess Apr 2012 #63
HiPointDem Apr 2012 #79
NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #80
HiPointDem Apr 2012 #81
Maine-ah Apr 2012 #62
Typical NYC Lib Apr 2012 #64
mopinko Apr 2012 #67
NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #70
mopinko Apr 2012 #77

Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:05 PM

1. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!



"Nascar Thunder", 2004

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:03 AM

74. We have lost a national treasure...




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Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:08 PM

2. Wow! Peace and Blessings on his family.

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Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:09 PM

3. Dreck.

Mass-produced, sold as originals, scammer crap bought up by millions of suckers.

Good riddance...

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:10 PM

7. At least we still have Jeff Koons. nt

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:19 PM

12. How about the bushy haired guy on PBS, I liked him!

Didn't care for his art, but i liked him!


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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:22 PM

14. Bob Ross just has funny hair and looks odd. But that's the worst I can say about him.

He's no swindler.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:41 PM

22. I think he taught well enough. The guy that REALLY teaches drawing well is Mark Kistler...

http://www.draw3d.com/faq.html

I use his book with students, I think everyone should be encouraged to doodle and to draw.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #22)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:43 PM

23. That is a badass Crayoleer! nt

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #22)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:11 AM

39. OMG! I remember this guy!

 

he was a pretty damn good artist too.


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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:50 PM

27. I remember him from the odd times I was in country and saw TV--he had a thing for pine trees~!!

Landscapes!! Lotsa fluffy clouds~!!!

I'll bet it was better in color...!

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Response to MADem (Reply #27)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:13 AM

40. "Happy Little Trees"

Bob was one of the best things to come out of Indiana.
I have friends who worked with him at WPIB, they say he was the real deal.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 03:34 AM

56. old foreign guy before him better.

but probably better than krapcaid.

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Response to pansypoo53219 (Reply #56)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:47 AM

66. bill alexander

i loved him. i thought being a painter was a rarified thing. he knew better.
he forgot to tell me that it didn't pay, but i love my almighty brushes.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #66)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:32 AM

75. I loved him too

he made me feel like I could do art too, even though I was 6 and everyone told me art 'wasn't my thing'. And he sounded a bit like my Ukrainian grandpa.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 09:51 AM

59. Is he the idiot that paints Obama

burning the Constitution?

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #59)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:08 AM

60. No, that idiot is McNaughton.

This idiot is a schemer scammer who takes credit for others' work and made millions and millions.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #60)

Sun Apr 8, 2012, 03:01 PM

83. Thanks. I like to be able

to keep my RW assholes straight.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:17 PM

10. Damn

Bad art is enough to wish the guy dead? What a pleasant outlook.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:19 PM

11. Mediocre art, yes. But that's no reason to celebrate his death.

Jeez.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:20 PM

13. Well, jeez, his art sucked massively, but I don't wish death on the guy.

If anything, his ridiculous over-the-top crappy paintings and figurines were always good for a laugh.

Rest in Peace, Thomas Kinkade, painter of schlock, we'll miss you and your little lighted cottages and even Cheesey Jesus appearing to white people.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:24 PM

15. That one isn't a Kinkade - the "artist" is one Jon McNaughton

who makes Kinkade look like fuckin' Rembrandt.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:26 PM

17. Jon McNaughton painted that, not Kinkade

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:40 PM

21. Wow, that made you look foolish!

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Response to Logical (Reply #21)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:50 PM

25. No, not really. McNaughton is schlockier, is all.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #25)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:00 AM

34. No, you look really silly and uneducated!

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Response to Logical (Reply #34)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:08 AM

37. Okay. I'm an idiot.

Agreed.

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Response to Logical (Reply #34)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:51 AM

76. I wasn't the one who made the error; I pointed it out. See #15.

I merely defended the person who confused the two (#13) by noting that they are both schlocky artists who could be easily confused. I would also suggest that confusing Kinkade with McNaughton does not make a person "look silly and uneducated." Not only is this a gratuitous insult, inappropriate on DU, but simply wrong: Sensible, educated people, who should know the difference between Matisse and Degas, shouldn't be able to recognize either Kinkade or McNaughton in the first place since these are not respectable artists. So where does that leave all of us?

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:43 AM

65. He's dead. He had a family.

I wasn't a fan either but good riddance is a disgusting thing to say.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #65)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:49 AM

68. Good riddance to bad rubbish who abused and scammed millions, no better than scum.

Part of the same cesspool of humanity as Bush and Cheney and Zimmerman.

Having families doesn't mean a damned thing, every fool has a family, dude was gonna die sooner or later.

For all you know they're HAPPY this his substance abusing piss on statues at Disneyland ass is dead.

You don't know, I don't know, could be a good thing for them.



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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #68)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:58 AM

73. We're going to have to agree to disagree on this.

Grave dancing is disgusting. He was a PAINTER, not Dick Cheney. What that mother fucker dies, I'll post the first thread celebrating. But a painter? No way.

One of my closest friends is a gifted artist (she makes more money every year than I do. LOTS more.) She water colors in her spare time. She loves Kincaid's work and admires his marketing skills. I consider her opinion to be an expert one.

No I wouldn't hang one of his paintings in my house. But I will offer sympathy to his family.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #73)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 03:31 PM

78. He caused quite a few people financial ruin

They lost their business, their homes, everything, because he was a scam artist. He was no better than someone like Bernie Madoff, he just did it on a smaller scale. It just rubs salt into the wounds that he did it waving the flag of Good Christian Values.

I'm speaking specifically of the way he grifted his gallery owners,but he also scammed the folks who thought they were investing in original art, when they weren't. He also went on to devalue his work even more, by mass reproductions.

I am not denouncing his work, that is personal opinion, but rather his immoral and unethical character.



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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #78)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 06:50 PM

82. That's horrible.

But I still say let's not dance on his grave.

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Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:09 PM

4. He went to the light.

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Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:09 PM

5. Is dying at 54 natural? nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:12 PM

8. He had his issues with alcohol.

Too much alcohol can "naturally" end your life I imagine.

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Response to valerief (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:34 PM

19. If you drink like a fish, it will naturally end your life at an early age.

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Response to valerief (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:52 PM

28. Naaah. I wonder if there's more to this story? nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:08 AM

38. I sure as shit hope not...

I'm 55.

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Response to BiggJawn (Reply #38)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:52 AM

69. Hooboy! I heard that!

I'll be 55 in a couple of months. Ya feel that clock tickin', yannow?

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Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:10 PM

6. Wow, 54, that's young

RIP TK

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Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:13 PM

9. Hated his art, but hope he RIP's...

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Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:25 PM

16. And on Sunday...

He climbed out of his tomb and haunted us all!

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Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:30 PM

18. What happened to him? Cause of death? Poor thing.

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Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:37 PM

20. OMG, it just hit me again. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

First official tribute painting, by Leah Saulnier...



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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #20)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:50 PM

26. That's funny...

So, if I understand the scam, just based on inspecting these things in different galleries (first one was Carmel-by-the-Sea, of all places)...

The "paintings" are sold as originals for hundreds and thousands of dollars, but they are really prints with little "points of light" painted on them by, presumably, underfed children in underdeveloped countries.

Because no two are alike, and each one has been individually "painted", they aren't "prints", they're "originals".

Brilliant, right?

So, really, there is a circle of hell for that kind of thing, in my imagined inferno.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #26)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:00 AM

33. Well, that's not so unusual and honestly that kind of crap goes back to Dali and beyond. What...

...he had done that really put him on my list was he'd used the Christian faith to lure a fuckload of Christians into sinking enormous sums of money into franchise stores ($150k+ each) and then undercut them on QVC. Franchise store owners won close to a $3m judgement against him for those and other shenanigans.

Oh, plus there was pissing on Winnie the Pooh at Disneyland and forcibly groping women. Not to mention the Sigfried and Roy incident.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #20)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:52 PM

31. That. Is. Brilliant!

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #31)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:04 AM

35. Ya, I _would_ hang that one in my house. Something about that popcicle stick poopin' tail...



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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:55 AM

72. LMAO

I had to go look her up. I like her stuff -- suitably twisted to suit my twisted sense of humor

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Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:49 PM

24. His favourite work of mine



brings a tear to m'eye

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Response to Heddi (Reply #24)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:52 PM

30. I....LIKE IT! Must've been his Robert Williams period! nt

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Response to Heddi (Reply #24)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:57 PM

32. I kinda like this one:

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #32)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:07 AM

36. I liked his 'Realist' Period.

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Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:52 PM

29. sorry he died, he was a shit poor artist.. From one that has sold art

for over 20 years...... shit poor. look at his 60 minutes clip..

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Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:25 AM

42. Oh, no

This was one of my favorites of his.


It's called "Meth Lab in the Woods"

I love the delicate interplay of light on the mud puddle and the soft glow from the chemical burning process.
It reminds me of home in a weird way.

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Response to Canuckistanian (Reply #42)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:53 AM

71. I'm also find his attention to detail fascinating.

A lessor artist would have only have painted a TV antenna or a dish, but not both. Amazing.

Such a loss.

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Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:31 AM

43. The first time I saw a painting of his ...

 

I thought it was beautiful.

When I saw the second one I thought, "Oh, that again."
By the third painting I was getting really tired of his work.

It was kind of like a painting of Elvis on black velvet in that respect. The first time you ever see one it's like "Wow! How cool!" The second time, you're already sick of seeing them.

You have to give him credit for one thing. He knew how to market "elevator music" pictures to little old ladies.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #43)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:32 AM

48. You have nailed it I believe.

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Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:42 AM

44. ...in related news, the value of my house just went up

(it's in Los Gatos).

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Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:09 AM

45. This whole thread has me in tears.

RIP and all that.

But omg the humor. The meth trailer. I'm dying here.

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Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:19 AM

46. RIP. He could certainly paint better than me (nt)

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Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:24 AM

47. Dreck.

Joan Didion:

"A Kinkade painting was typically rendered in slightly surreal pastels. It typically featured a cottage or a house of such insistent coziness as to seem actually sinister, suggestive of a trap designed to attract Hansel and Gretel. Every window was lit, to lurid effect, as if the interior of the structure might be on fire."


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Response to Manifestor_of_Light (Reply #47)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:32 AM

49. Manifestor_of_Light comments on Painter of Light...



Okay, I should go to bed now.

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #49)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 02:58 AM

54. He said he was the painter of light. Someone on DU gave me the handle M_O_L.

When we were busy changing our handles.

I've never been busted for DUI, unlike Kinkade.

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Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:42 AM

50. How awful ....

WAY to young .... Not my cup of tea, but still very talented .... The world needs Thomas Kincade still ....

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Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 02:03 AM

51. Too bad he's dead,

but he was a hack.

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Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 02:33 AM

52. WOW that's a shock! 54 is so young

I thought his stuff was crapola but still R-I-P.

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Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 03:05 AM

55. Day 2: Still the denial stage. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!



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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #55)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 05:54 AM

57. oh dear, pb

It's far too early in the morning to be laughing this hard.

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Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 06:54 AM

58. I am sorry to hear it BUT he doesn't get to call himself "the painter of light".

Not even posthumosly.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #58)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:11 AM

61. He's the painter of shit. Little underpaid peons painted the light part.

Go to a gallery if you can bear to, and you'll see that the "paintings" are, in fact, prints with little stipples of white and yellow- highlights of actual paint applied not by him but by underpaid workers who get no credit.

The art world is a better place without that sort of shit.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #61)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:37 AM

63. Oh, boy. Sweatshops?

His "art" is mind numbing and I never thought much about it. But, now that you say so, it sounds about right. No wonder he raked in so much money. There's no way he could produce all those by himself.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #61)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 04:41 PM

79. That kind of thing goes way back. Plenty of artists have done more or less the same. Maybe

 

Kincaide's innovation was having the anonymous apprentices put their daubs on prints, but passing off the work of one's helpers as one's own after you've made your name -- long history.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #79)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 04:50 PM

80. Shit, he couldn't even be original in the way he screwed people over!

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #80)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 05:11 PM

81. lol.

 

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Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:24 AM

62. beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I am not a fan of his work...but others were, and that's fine.

Such a young age, condolences to his family and loved ones.

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Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:42 AM

64. Rec

 

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Response to devilgrrl (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:49 AM

67. whew!

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Response to mopinko (Reply #67)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:52 AM

70. LOL!

Also:

During the years 1997 through 2005, court documents show at least 350 independently owned Kinkade franchises at its peak.

By May 2005, that number had more than halved.


YAY!!!



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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #70)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 03:02 PM

77. at least i have outlived the bastard.

cold comfort, but...

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