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Author | Time | Post |
 I don't know. This Trayvon thing seems to be CONSUMING America (Original post) |
Canuckistanian | Apr 2012 | OP |
| Lost-in-FL | Apr 2012 | #1 | |
| teddy51 | Apr 2012 | #2 | |
| Canuckistanian | Apr 2012 | #7 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Apr 2012 | #13 | |
| Joseph8th | Apr 2012 | #25 | |
| Johnny Rico | Apr 2012 | #47 | |
| Joseph8th | Apr 2012 | #60 | |
| Johnny Rico | Apr 2012 | #70 | |
| socialist_n_TN | Apr 2012 | #59 | |
| Joseph8th | Apr 2012 | #63 | |
| rrneck | Apr 2012 | #78 | |
| csziggy | Apr 2012 | #80 | |
| barbtries | Apr 2012 | #90 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Apr 2012 | #3 | |
| Canuckistanian | Apr 2012 | #8 | |
| Sarah Ibarruri | Apr 2012 | #4 | |
| -..__... | Apr 2012 | #5 | |
| Obamacare | Apr 2012 | #6 | |
| Art_from_Ark | Apr 2012 | #28 | |
| provis99 | Apr 2012 | #9 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Apr 2012 | #11 | |
| socialist_n_TN | Apr 2012 | #61 | |
| hay rick | Apr 2012 | #15 | |
| Canuckistanian | Apr 2012 | #26 | |
| annm4peace | Apr 2012 | #10 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Apr 2012 | #12 | |
| Joseph8th | Apr 2012 | #46 | |
| amandabeech | Apr 2012 | #14 | |
| -..__... | Apr 2012 | #17 | |
| Joseph8th | Apr 2012 | #64 | |
| Meiko | Apr 2012 | #48 | |
| amandabeech | Apr 2012 | #86 | |
| csziggy | Apr 2012 | #82 | |
| timesup | Apr 2012 | #16 | |
| MrMickeysMom | Apr 2012 | #18 | |
| jtuck004 | Apr 2012 | #21 | |
| MrMickeysMom | Apr 2012 | #54 | |
| jtuck004 | Apr 2012 | #81 | |
| Blort | Apr 2012 | #19 | |
| doc03 | Apr 2012 | #20 | |
| EFerrari | Apr 2012 | #22 | |
| mactime | Apr 2012 | #23 | |
| Cali_Democrat | Apr 2012 | #30 | |
| EFerrari | Apr 2012 | #38 | |
| doc03 | Apr 2012 | #34 | |
| Whisp | Apr 2012 | #42 | |
| doc03 | Apr 2012 | #37 | |
| EFerrari | Apr 2012 | #39 | |
| barbtries | Apr 2012 | #91 | |
| Whisp | Apr 2012 | #43 | |
| shadowrider | Apr 2012 | #73 | |
| shadowrider | Apr 2012 | #49 | |
| mainer | Apr 2012 | #50 | |
| doc03 | Apr 2012 | #53 | |
| mainer | Apr 2012 | #56 | |
| doc03 | Apr 2012 | #57 | |
| csziggy | Apr 2012 | #83 | |
| shadowrider | Apr 2012 | #68 | |
| shadowrider | Apr 2012 | #71 | |
| mainer | Apr 2012 | #74 | |
| shadowrider | Apr 2012 | #87 | |
| Canuckistanian | Apr 2012 | #24 | |
| dkf | Apr 2012 | #35 | |
| Canuckistanian | Apr 2012 | #40 | |
| dkf | Apr 2012 | #44 | |
| K Gardner | Apr 2012 | #76 | |
| pasto76 | Apr 2012 | #27 | |
| Canuckistanian | Apr 2012 | #29 | |
| bigwillq | Apr 2012 | #33 | |
| lonestarnot | Apr 2012 | #55 | |
| bigwillq | Apr 2012 | #65 | |
| lonestarnot | Apr 2012 | #66 | |
| bigwillq | Apr 2012 | #67 | |
| rufus dog | Apr 2012 | #31 | |
| spanone | Apr 2012 | #32 | |
| Americana | Apr 2012 | #36 | |
| cherokeeprogressive | Apr 2012 | #41 | |
| Cleita | Apr 2012 | #45 | |
| mainer | Apr 2012 | #51 | |
| Kaleva | Apr 2012 | #62 | |
| mainer | Apr 2012 | #69 | |
| Kaleva | Apr 2012 | #75 | |
| mainer | Apr 2012 | #77 | |
| Kaleva | Apr 2012 | #79 | |
| ecstatic | Apr 2012 | #52 | |
| slackmaster | Apr 2012 | #58 | |
| mzteris | Apr 2012 | #72 | |
| agenda 21. | Apr 2012 | #84 | |
| cr8tvlde | Apr 2012 | #92 | |
| just1voice | Apr 2012 | #85 | |
| indepat | Apr 2012 | #88 | |
| barbtries | Apr 2012 | #89 |
Response to Canuckistanian (Original post)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 10:13 PM
Lost-in-FL (7,066 posts)
1. Fortunately it is the "many" that feel the same way as you do. nt
Response to Canuckistanian (Original post)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 10:17 PM
teddy51 (3,491 posts)
2. I think you know the answer to your question! Killing anyone in cold blood and using a f**k** up
Response to teddy51 (Reply #2)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 10:43 PM
Canuckistanian (42,195 posts)
7. It seems to go against Common English Law
Response to Canuckistanian (Reply #7)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 10:54 PM
13. These laws are indeed a perversion of common law
Response to Joseph8th (Reply #60)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:45 AM
70. Thank you for being so specific, it's appreciated.
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If the SCOTUS would quit their judicial activism and wilful reinterpretation of the 2nd Amendment, to start, then Congress could pass laws to enforce the 'well-regulated' part.
Not about to happen with a Republican majority in the House and more than 40 Republicans in the Senate. * Repeal Stand Your Ground laws (obvious one) Disagree. * Repeal Concealed Carry laws (no individual right to carry) Disagree. * Ban assault weapons, including for hunting (no right to bear an F-16 or nuke... reasonable limits on what can be sold) Disagree with banning the most popular centerfire rifle in America. * Close the gun-show loophole Disagree. * Criminal background checks Disagree, already in place when buying from someone with an FFL. * 3-day min. waiting period Disagree. * Strengthen training and licensing reqs Disagree. * Crack down hard on gun-sellers who break the law -- esp. suppliers to smugglers. Life prison for knowingly arming, i.e., Mexican drug cartels, unregulated militias, ex-cons. Disagree, simply because it's not against the law to sell firearms to someone who belongs to an unregulated militia. * Strengthen sentencing guidelines so that crimes of gun violence are punished more severely than violent crimes that do not involve the misuse of the 2nd Amendment. Partial disagreement. I couldn't care less what weapon someone uses when committing a crime of violence, but I am in favor of strengthening sentencing guidelines for all violent crime. I KNOW who these gun nuts really are. These are not good people, and they should not be armed. What steps would you take to disarm them, and what would be the legal definition of a "gun nut"? As for my recommendations, I would institute unrestricted concealed carry at the national level and repeal the 1986 ban on the new manufacture of fully automatic weapons for civilians. Given this trend: 
I daresay my agenda has a better chance of coming to fruition than yours. 
Obviously we're not going to come to a meeting of minds here; our agendas are diametrically opposed. That having been said, let me reiterate my appreciation of you being open and candid in expressing your agenda; I hope I've done the same. |
Response to Joseph8th (Reply #25)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:09 AM
59. ... then "self defense" wouldn't always be lethal."..............
Response to socialist_n_TN (Reply #59)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:42 PM
rrneck (13,762 posts)
78. I dont think the mere posession of a gun
Response to teddy51 (Reply #2)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:59 PM
csziggy (14,205 posts)
80. Stand Your Ground was drafted by ALEC, not in good faith
Response to csziggy (Reply #80)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 09:39 PM
barbtries (15,011 posts)
90. i think we should change the acronym
Response to Canuckistanian (Original post)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 10:19 PM
3. Yup, many of us feel this way
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #3)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 10:44 PM
Canuckistanian (42,195 posts)
8. I know
Response to Canuckistanian (Original post)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 10:20 PM
4. What is happening here is that the corporate right wing has control
Response to Canuckistanian (Original post)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 10:25 PM
5. No... the system is working (at least so far)
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Despite the...
here, and elsewhere, this is a case still under investigation. Only a fool or biased person would draw a conclusion based on the evidence reported by the MSM...liberal or conservative. |
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #11)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:12 AM
61. A long and mostly undefended and even unwatched ...........
Response to provis99 (Reply #9)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:39 PM
hay rick (3,490 posts)
15. Maybe they thought that they were like us.
Response to provis99 (Reply #9)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:46 AM
Canuckistanian (42,195 posts)
26. I wouldn't say "obsession"
Response to Canuckistanian (Original post)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 10:50 PM
10. people also need to look at their own communities
Response to annm4peace (Reply #10)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 10:53 PM
12. Locally we have at least four hate groups.
Response to Canuckistanian (Original post)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 10:54 PM
14. The killing of Trayvon Martin was horrible.
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Response to amandabeech (Reply #14)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:57 PM
17. And what do we do with Zimmerman?
Zimmerman could easily be indicted or otherwise charged within the next two or three weeks.
Once charged, he will be brought before the court for a preliminary hearing, at which bail and a trial date will be set. I expect that Zimmerman will be required to post a very significant amount of bail. BURN HIM!!  |
Response to amandabeech (Reply #14)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 04:22 AM
48. Well said
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Allow the system to work...
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Response to amandabeech (Reply #14)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 02:11 PM
csziggy (14,205 posts)
82. The reason the family went to Al Sharpton and brought the case to the media
Response to Canuckistanian (Original post)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:57 PM
16. The greed of corporation interests put ahead of individuals...
Response to Canuckistanian (Original post)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:04 AM
MrMickeysMom (10,682 posts)
18. I am embarrassed about a poll I saw tonight...
Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #18)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:20 AM
21. That first point, "nationalism". That was something the folk schools in Denmark
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fostered, and I don't remember them being thought of as particularly fascist. I frequently have this trouble with checklists...  |
Response to jtuck004 (Reply #21)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:47 AM
MrMickeysMom (10,682 posts)
54. What about the 14 points?
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Do you have trouble with the list as a whole and the what has historically been documented in the history of fascism?
I have trouble with lists, too, when they appear as talking points, rather than notations on history in regard to what a particular society experiences. When looking at "nationalism", I compare and contrast the American experience with the rise of Hitler in Germany, but, this can also be compared to other countries. When I think of "nationalism in the United States", I think of our early experiment with each wave of immigration, whether other factors, such as assimilation to society and the health of society assisted in new Americans' assimilation into what we've historically called "culture". Relevant to the status of the other 13, I believe we prosper when we are open to what this nation is becoming. When I think of the extreme nature of one culture over another under the guise of "America - Love it or leave it!", or, "Build a higher fence", or, "Speak English!", or "The United States nuclear capabilities are better than other countries, except Israel", I begin to examine the point of "nationalism" in a more serious way. Taken as a whole 14 point checklist, I'd say we are in dangerous territory. I have no problem evaluating and considering the 14 points of fascism as a checklist |
Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #54)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:07 PM
81. Maybe the problem is that people always, incorrectly, think of Nazi Germany
Response to Canuckistanian (Original post)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:12 AM
19. 2 separate police shootings in Austin today
Response to Canuckistanian (Original post)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:14 AM
20. Lets wait to the facts are all in before we say a white guy hunted
Response to doc03 (Reply #20)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:25 AM
22. Yeah, a white guy twice as big and ten years older than this kid
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Response to mactime (Reply #23)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:53 AM
Cali_Democrat (14,671 posts)
30. shoot first, ask questions later
Response to EFerrari (Reply #22)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:01 AM
34. You don't think it is possible a young wiry guy 10 years younger and 6' 3" could
Response to doc03 (Reply #34)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:47 AM
42. adrenalin starts flowing when you are in self defense mode and
Response to EFerrari (Reply #22)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:12 AM
37. Bottom line is don't rush to judgement before the facts are known, That's what
Response to doc03 (Reply #37)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:16 AM
39. There is no scenario in which Zimmerman shooting Martin is right.
Response to doc03 (Reply #37)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:21 PM
shadowrider (4,583 posts)
73. I've been saying the same thing
Response to EFerrari (Reply #22)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 06:03 AM
shadowrider (4,583 posts)
49. ? Twice as big ? Martin 6'2", 160, Zimmerman, 5'9", 170
Response to shadowrider (Reply #49)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 07:26 AM
mainer (6,650 posts)
50. Wow, Zimmerman keeps losing weight and Martin keeps gaining weight
Response to mainer (Reply #50)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:46 AM
53. In the video of Zimmerman arriving at the police station
Response to doc03 (Reply #53)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:53 AM
mainer (6,650 posts)
56. Zimmerman was described as 200 pounds
Response to mainer (Reply #56)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:03 AM
57. He could have just as well been on foot returning to his vehicle and
Response to doc03 (Reply #57)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 02:32 PM
csziggy (14,205 posts)
83. So if Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle how did he end up shooting Martin
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over a 100 feet AWAY from the road where his vehicle could have been?
NONE of the stories attributed to Zimmerman match where Trayvon's body was laying when the police arrived. 
Trayvon's body was found behind the building marked with the "A", close, but not on the sidewalk. Zimmerman's first story to police was that he was looking for a street sign when Trayvon jumped him. There are no intersections where there would be street signs anywhere near where the body was lying, much less near the closest approach to that point where Zimmerman could have left his car. His second story (from his father's statements) was that he was looking for street numbers. There are no street numbers on the BACKS of the townhouses. It's 130 feet from the street at the curve in the road to the intersection of the sidewalk to get to where the body was. It's over 90 feet from the other road to the same point. Accounts and estimates available to the public vary on the exact location of the body up that sidewalk but the distance is between 30 and 90 feet. So George Zimmerman was between 120 and 220 feet away from his vehicle when he shot Trayvon Martin. How did Zimmerman get that far away from his car if he was NOT stalking Martin? Between those FACTS and the information from the audio experts that it was most likely Trayvon Martin's voice on the 911 recording begging "Help me" for over 40 seconds, I believe George Zimmerman is a murderer. I do want Zimmerman to have a trial. That means he must be arrested and charged with his crime. That is all the Martin family has been asking since their first press conference. |
Response to mainer (Reply #50)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:34 AM
shadowrider (4,583 posts)
68. Early reports had him at 250.
Response to mainer (Reply #50)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:57 AM
shadowrider (4,583 posts)
71. According to the police report (Link included)
Response to shadowrider (Reply #71)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:22 PM
mainer (6,650 posts)
74. The autopsy will give us Trayvon's weight
Response to doc03 (Reply #20)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:42 AM
Canuckistanian (42,195 posts)
24. Well, that's true
Response to Canuckistanian (Reply #24)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:02 AM
dkf (32,614 posts)
35. Once arrested there are 175 days to charge Zimmerman. That means 175 days to find evidence beyond
Response to dkf (Reply #35)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:32 AM
Canuckistanian (42,195 posts)
40. Well, let's not rush into anything, then
Response to Canuckistanian (Reply #40)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:52 AM
dkf (32,614 posts)
44. Nope because Florida has this specific 175 day law which doesn't seem to be the norm.
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Response to doc03 (Reply #20)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:30 PM
76. Not enough evidence? ROFL. Now THAT is the absurdity of which the OP was speaking. n/t
Response to Canuckistanian (Original post)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:50 AM
27. sorry, nope, it isnt consuming anything
Response to pasto76 (Reply #27)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:59 AM
33. It consumed the news cycle for awhile.
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Response to bigwillq (Reply #33)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:51 AM
lonestarnot (71,133 posts)
55. Oh really? Then what do you have to say about Oklahoma this morning?
Response to lonestarnot (Reply #55)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:18 AM
65. Oh really what?
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Response to bigwillq (Reply #65)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:22 AM
lonestarnot (71,133 posts)
66. Here let me help you out. You don't even have to turn on the TV box. DU has it all! As always.
Response to Canuckistanian (Original post)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:54 AM
rufus dog (4,944 posts)
31. It highlights the divide in the U.S.
Response to Canuckistanian (Original post)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:58 AM
spanone (72,109 posts)
32. the united states of insanity
Response to Americana (Reply #36)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:40 AM
cherokeeprogressive (14,955 posts)
41. I don't understand the whole "tears on his face" thing. Trayvon's own father
Response to Canuckistanian (Original post)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 02:22 AM
45. The patients are in charge of this asylum we call our country.
Response to Canuckistanian (Original post)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 07:29 AM
mainer (6,650 posts)
51. What I can't believe is that there are ZM defenders on DU
Response to mainer (Reply #51)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:12 AM
Kaleva (11,406 posts)
62. I haven't seen any Zimmerman defenders here. At least not in GD.
Response to Kaleva (Reply #62)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:42 AM
mainer (6,650 posts)
69. You haven't seen ANY Zimmerman defenders on DU?
Response to mainer (Reply #69)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:23 PM
Kaleva (11,406 posts)
75. And you might want to look at my posting history on this subject.
Response to Kaleva (Reply #75)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:33 PM
mainer (6,650 posts)
77. I've been following your posts on numerous Trayvon threads
Response to mainer (Reply #77)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:51 PM
Kaleva (11,406 posts)
79. So, what di you think of my thread that I gave you a link to?
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Response to Canuckistanian (Original post)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 07:35 AM
ecstatic (18,599 posts)
52. I live in Georgia, and you should see all the Facebook
Response to Canuckistanian (Original post)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:05 PM
72. Oh the "system" is working just fine.
Response to agenda 21. (Reply #84)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:10 PM
92. There is no doubt he has violence/impulse/aggression issues
Response to Canuckistanian (Original post)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 03:54 PM
88. Tens of millions of Americans have lost their mind: the proof lies in what they say, what they do,
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and how they vote against their own interests. Then there are the general garden-variety extremist nuts, be it right-wing, bigoted, racist, anti-abortion, religious, gun et al ad infinitum.
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Response to Canuckistanian (Original post)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 09:28 PM
barbtries (15,011 posts)
89. yeah, it's pretty whack.
