Israel Sniper Executes Palestinian Civilian in Gaza--YouTube video GRAPHIC

[Comrade Grumpy]

This is a group of people looking for survivors of Israel shelling. A sniper shoots and wounds the guy in the green shirt, then shoots him twice more as he lays on the ground, killing him.

We provide $3 billion a year in military aid to Israel. Your tax dollars at work.

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[Luminous Animal]

1. Words... I tried but I do not have.

[Luminous Animal]

2. Must be another one of those people that Goebbels...er...Netanyahu describes as "telegenically dead"

Benjamin Netanyahu, yesterday, on CNN, addressing worldwide sympathy for the civilian victims of Israeli violence in Gaza:

They want to pile up as many civilian dead as they can. They use telegenically dead Palestinians for their cause. They want the more dead, the better.

Joseph Goebbels, November 16, 1941, essay in Das Reich, addressing Germany sympathy for German Jews forced to wear yellow stars:

The Jews gradually are having to depend more and more on themselves, and have recently found a new trick. They knew the good-natured German Michael in us, always ready to shed sentimental tears for the injustice done to them. One suddenly has the impression that the Berlin Jewish population consists only of little babies whose childish helplessness might move us, or else fragile old ladies. The Jews send out the pitiable. They may confuse some harmless souls for a while, but not us. We know exactly what the situation is.

https://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/07/21-3

[LuvNewcastle]

8. It's striking how similar are the minds of mass murderers and propagandists.

[sabrina 1]

10. 'Telegenically dead'. There are no words fit to print for this war criminal.

Omg, that Goebbels quote, sickening to see the similarities. I guess people with dark hearts think alike regardless of their positions in life. It's a sickness, and Netanyahu has it. So does Cheney and a few more of our own War Criminals.

He can't control the internet, he knows our media is working hard to cover his crimes, but it's no good, the world sees the children he has killed. He can't hide it anymore.

If he is not brought to trial for this mass murder and all the others, then evil has taken over the world. Same thing for Cheney et al.

'Telegenically dead'. Wow!

[bravenak]

16. Wow.

That is eerily similar to hat Netanyahu said about 'Telegenically Dead' Palestinians.

[DeSwiss]

26. They ''seem'' similar because they ''are'' the same thing.

- Netanyahu is the epitome of the victim whose victimhood has turned inward on itself. And as a result, he has become the monster he hates most.

''No one who lives in error is free.'' ~Euripides

"Battle not with monsters - lest ye become a monster." ~Friedrich Nietzsche

''To fight the empire is to be infected by its derangement. Whoever defeats part of the empire becomes the empire; it proliferates like a virus... thereby it becomes its enemies.'' ~Philip K. Dick

[Eleanors38]

44. So, he fancies himself a movie critic?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

87. So, here you make a Goebbels analogy and in another thread you compare Hamas to

the French resistance in WW2. Yet, you bristle at the suggestion you're comparing Israel to the Nazis.

[Hissyspit]

3. War Crime, if true.

Last edited Tue Jul 22, 2014, 04:10 AM - Edit history (1)

"The Geneva conventions state that protections must be afforded to people who 'collect and care for the wounded, whether friend or foe.'"

Israel is signatory to first and fourth conventions, if I'm not mistaken. Although I believe they argue that the rules don't apply to occupied territories. Ugh.

[billhicks76]

4. War Crimes

Disgusting

[msongs]

5. ok so who the guys in the dayglo green vests in background who dont seem to be hiding at all? nt

[Hissyspit]

9. "international and Palestinian volunteers accompanying Gaza municipal workers"

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/video-shows-sniper-shooting-gaza-civilian-2014721142115430364.html

Palestinian's killing caught on camera
Civilian appears to be targeted by Israeli sniper during humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza as rescuers approach him.
Last updated: 21 Jul 2014 19:10

A video has been released on YouTube that claims to show an Israeli sniper shooting a wounded Palestinian civilian in Gaza, reportedly during a humanitarian ceasefire.

The International Solidarity Movement of Palestine organisation published the video on Monday.

Al Jazeera is unable to verify its authenticity.

The video shows a group of international and Palestinian volunteers accompanying Gaza municipal workers as they searched for survivors during a short-lived humanitarian ceasefire on Sunday.

Al Jazeera warns it contains graphic images.

Workers wearing what appear to be municipal uniforms can be seen in the background.

The group is shown moving towards a young Palestinian man in a green T-shirt, who is lying in rubble and appears to have been injured in the hand.

When the man moves to get up, he is shot by a sniper as the group approaches.

The man was reportedly searching for family members in rubble after an Israeli shelling.

Aid workers were unable to retrieve his body.

[Behind the Aegis]

6. This isn't proof of the claims made.

Between the editing and the lack of proof, this is nothing more than a video of undetermined sources. Well, ISM, there's an honest, unbiased source.

[Hissyspit]

11. I'm trying really, really hard to figure out what else it could be besides what it claims to be.

Are you saying he isn't dead? That he has been shot by a Palestinian?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/video-shows-sniper-shooting-gaza-civilian-2014721142115430364.html

A video has been released on YouTube that claims to show an Israeli sniper shooting a wounded Palestinian civilian in Gaza, reportedly during a humanitarian ceasefire.

The International Solidarity Movement of Palestine organisation published the video on Monday.

Al Jazeera is unable to verify its authenticity.

The video shows a group of international and Palestinian volunteers accompanying Gaza municipal workers as they searched for survivors during a short-lived humanitarian ceasefire on Sunday.

Workers wearing what appear to be municipal uniforms can be seen in the background.

The group is shown moving towards a young Palestinian man in a green T-shirt, who is lying in rubble and appears to have been injured in the hand.

When the man moves to get up, he is shot by a sniper as the group approaches.

The man was reportedly searching for family members in rubble after an Israeli shelling.

[Behind the Aegis]

12. What could it be? Really?!

Propaganda!

claims to show an Israeli sniper

Al Jazeera is unable to verify its authenticity.

Yet, it is being presented as fact! Oh, and during "a humanitarian ceasefire".

[Hissyspit]

13. No.

I'm talking about what we're seeing in the video.

Explain what is happening to me.

[Behind the Aegis]

14. Did you see an Israeli bullet?

Did you see blood? Did you see anything that confirms the man in the green shirt was in fact dead?

[Sherman A1]

15. Precisely

While I am (as you know) no fan of Israel and not particularly pleased as to their current actions in Gaza, this video has the look of the "Blair Witch Project" to me. Perhaps the account is accurate, but I for one cannot accept it. As we all know truth is the first casualty of war, photos and videos can and are edited, staged and manipulated in many ways.

[Hissyspit]

18. Absolutely,

but the flip side of that coin is propaganda whose purpose is to cast doubt on any actualities that come out of a war zone, too.

[Hissyspit]

17. Here is a reddit discussion where "georgesucks" explains why you don't particularly see any blood.

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/2bb0lu/cellphone_video_captures_gaza_civilian_shot_and/

[–]goergesucks 2 points 5 hours ago
Now, at 2:23, you hear a shot but green t-shirt guy is stood directly in front of the camera, the camera man covers the camera with his hand, seemingly shakes it around and only 1 second later at 2:24, green t-shirt guy magically appears a good 5 feet away, laying down past several obstacles which would take a lot longer than 1 second to get to - the amount of edits in the video made me suspicious about this.
This is actually pretty stupid. The shots heard at 2:23 are not the shots that hit the man in the greenshirt. In fact, when the camera cuts, and when it returns, the trio have travelled quite a long distance as they flee, back towards the way they came.
Here's an image at 2:19 just seconds before the shots. Here's another at 1:29 that shows the same perspective with a better view. This is where they are when the shots at 2:22ish are heard.
And here is where greenshirt is lying when the camera resumes. Notice the rubble and background; they are ~50 feet (it's hard to tell) from where they were. Here's an image I did in MSPaint in 30 seconds to showcase this fact.
It's pretty clear what happens; when they are shot at, at 2:23, they all scramble to take cover and the recording cuts off, either accidentally or purposely ended. The trio (greenshirt, the cameraman and the female worker) then run back where they came from, but greenshirt is hit and falls; the cameraman only begins recording because they were forced to stop.
As for the "amount of blood", blood takes time to accumulate. He clearly has blood all over his left hand (though some people call it 'red paint'). But more importantly the examples you've linked to clearly show the entry wound being the source of the blood. Judging by the direction of the ricochet at 2:55 the sniper appears to be directly behind greenshirt, or directly left of the camera. When he is shot (fatally) at 2:37, he is sitting with his back towards the source of the shot, so naturally the entry wound would be on his back and out of view, since he doesn't turn over.
And lastly as for the sound, the pop (or "click" as you call it) is not just the distant sound of the rifle firing but also the actual bullet itself as it passes by at faster than sound. I don't know why you linked a bunch of videos showcasing the sound of a rifle firing from right next to the gun itself; it sounds much different to those being shot at. It also depends on the quality of the microphone.Here is a pretty good video showing what it sounds like to be shot at from a distance. You don't really hear the report of the gun shooting at you, but the snap of the bullet't sonic boom as it passes through the air nearby.

I'm not sure that I've ever seen a dying person on video that I could confirm was dead or not by looking at the video (unless half their body is missing). That's kind of a non-point. The issue is whether this is faked or not, not whether he is dead or not.

I need to go to bed and can't stay up all night debating this. It is true that there is no way to confirm this, at this point. I did actually post the article in this thread pointing out that this incident had not been confirmed and that there is not way to confirm who may have been shooting, if, indeed, there was an actual event.

But if these people are acting, they're damn good.

There's nothing wrong with asking people to be skeptical. Unfortunately, even if this video were to turn out to be fake, there's plenty of what has been going on in Gaza that has been accurately documented that is deplorable.

[Behind the Aegis]

21. They aren't really that good.

The explanation is silly too.

"As for the "amount of blood", blood takes time to accumulate." WTF?! No, it doesn't. Blood also has this nasty habit of getting all over things, yet when he places his hand on his shirt, removes it, places it back, moves it again, there is no sign of blood. Watch the video in FULL screen.

" Unfortunately, even if this video were to turn out to be fake, there's plenty of what has been going on in Gaza that has been accurately documented that is indefensible."

And yet...

[Hissyspit]

39. Palestinian Family Finds Missing Son in YouTube Video of His Shooting

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/23/world/middleeast/palestinian-family-finds-missing-son-in-youtube-video-of-his-shooting.html

Salem Khaleel Shamaly, 23, in the green T-Shirt, searched for missing family members in Gaza City on Sunday before he was shot.
JOE CATRON, VIA FLICKR
By ROBERT MACKEY
JULY 22, 2014
After two days of searching for a son they lost contact with during a rushed evacuation from their home in Gaza City, one Palestinian family was surprised to hear the young man’s voice, calling out for a missing cousin, in video posted on YouTube on Monday by human rights activists.

A sister and a cousin of the missing 23-year-old, Salem Khaleel Shamaly, were horrified to see video of him lying on the ground in the ruined neighborhood they had fled, Shejaiya, wounded by an unseen sniper, according to activists from the Palestinian-led International Solidarity Movement who witnessed the incident and released the footage. As the man tried to get to his feet, two more shots rang out, and he stopped moving.

[Hissyspit]

41. From NYT article:

Last edited Tue Jul 22, 2014, 07:32 PM - Edit history (1)

Joe Catron, a human rights activist who witnessed the shooting and documented the incident in photographs posted on Flickr, said in a telephone interview from Gaza that, although it seemed certain the young man would die without emergency medical treatment, the rest of the small party with which he was traveling had no choice but to retreat when shelling resumed in the area after the filming had stopped. The two people closest to the gunshot victim were convinced that he was dead by the time they left, Mr. Catron said.

[Behind the Aegis]

46. Yes, you look at the "human rights activist"'s pictures at flickr.

Be sure to unhide the EXIF and watch the video.

[Marrah_G]

56. Not sure why you have human rights activist in quotes?

Is he not? I see he is from Virginia.

Also I am new to flicker, I unhid the EXIF but I am not quite sure what is there that you are pointing to....

[Behind the Aegis]

60. Because I am familiar with him.

Look at the time stamps, then look at the video.

[jaycrewz]

85. smh

zionist apologist

[JI7]

20. something does seem off about it, i could be wrong

but so far i would need to see more info.

[Behind the Aegis]

25. Yeah, you can even see more of the propaganda in a post below.

The man is still alive, moving his arms and murmuring the Shihada, the Muslim affirmation of faith (“there is no God but God,” similar to the Jewish Shema or “Hear O Israel”), when the sniper shoots him once more. And then again. In the background, one can hear the foreign volunteers shouting into a mobile phone, “But what the fuck should we do? They’re going to shoot us all if we move.”


http://972mag.com/nstt_feeditem/video-sniper-shoots-and-kills-a-man-as-he-searches-the-rubble-of-his-home-for-relatives/

And yet, anyone watching the video, will know that is NOT what was actually said.

They are going to start going around us now. Because they know there are more people here. So, we actually need to...move. I know, I know, but what the fuck should we do? I know, look, everybody is going to get shot. Can you find a cable or rope anything you can throw to him if he can grab it we can just drag him CUT

[liberalhistorian]

34. You just can't handle the fact

that Israel can be anything less than perfect, pure and holy, can you? Never mind a near-fifty-year brutal occupation that has devastated an entire people. And never mind the pictures of Israelis taking picnics and binoculars to hills where they could then cheer all the bombing and subsequent killing (check out the pics in the Guardian, unless you think THOSE are somehow "doctored" as well). You know what the sniping, bulldozing, ground operations and those pictures of the picnics and cheering remind me of? The actions of Nazi soldiers during the Warsaw Ghetto operation in WWII, and the reactions of the Poles as they saw right in front of them what was happening to those in the ghetto. Unbelievably disappointing and disgusting.

[Behind the Aegis]

35. I am not the one with the problem with facts.

Make up your own narrative, then toss in a wild word salad, change the subject, and voila, no need to address the actual post.

[liberalhistorian]

36. Yep, that sounds

just like Bibi and company!

[Behind the Aegis]

37. You do, doesn't that distrub you?

[JI7]

47. i think Israel is more at fault in what is going on but i think the Video is Fake

[Violet_Crumble]

63. Does that mean you think al-Jazeera also can't handle that fact?

After all Al-Jazeera said it can't verify the authenticy of the video. BtA's pointed out a few things, the main one being that there's no evidence that it was an Israeli sniper. That seems a pretty reasonable thing to question, considering that if it's true that it was an Israeli sniper, it's a war crime. Me, I don't know. All I know is hundreds of people are dead and it's horrifying....

You know what we're seeing happen in Gaza reminds me of? Not the Warsaw Ghetto, which was a whole few big levels up on the scale of horrifying atrocities and was aimed specifically at Jews who were taken from their homes elsewhere and shoved in there, but of Operation Cast Lead on steroids. It reminds me of what the US did to Iraq. It's what happens when governments put out public proclamations that they're trying to avoid civilian casualties while their actions show they don't care one iota about whether civilians are killed or not. But it's not the Warsaw Ghetto...

[Uncle Joe]

7. Damn!

Thanks for the thread, Comrade Grumpy.

[azurnoir]

19. a bit of background on this video

A video making the rounds on social media shows a Palestinian man getting shot and killed by a sniper while he is searching for lost relatives in the rubble of his Shuja’iyah home. Shuja’iyah has been under intense Israeli bombardment for more than a day, with harrowing stories and images reported by the international media. Journalists have reported seeing bodies strewn on the street, often entire families —parents and children—shot down as they were running away.

...........................................

The man is still alive, moving his arms and murmuring the Shihada, the Muslim affirmation of faith (“there is no God but God,” similar to the Jewish Shema or “Hear O Israel”), when the sniper shoots him once more. And then again. In the background, one can hear the foreign volunteers shouting into a mobile phone, “But what the fuck should we do? They’re going to shoot us all if we move.”


http://972mag.com/nstt_feeditem/video-sniper-shoots-and-kills-a-man-as-he-searches-the-rubble-of-his-home-for-relatives/

[rollin74]

22. I'm not sure this is authentic

obviously edited. seems like it might be staged

[countryjake]

23. Here's the report that goes with that video...

Rina Andolini, an international living in Gaza, shared this journal entry on Facebook. Photos are from Joe Catron’s Flickr page. This post has been updated with the video above.


International volunteers following Palestinian youth into Shuja’iyeh, photo by Joe Catron

A beautiful brother went looking for his family in the death zone ~ Rina Andolini and Joe Catron

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/beautiful-brother-looking.html

Shajiya – There was a ceasefire today for 3 hours – so some of us internationals went to the area which I refer to as the ‘Death Zone’ – Shajiya, we went to see if we could help with the masses of injured amongst the rubble.

The Death Zone is unlike any destruction I have seen in my life – there is no place left without bombing, shelling or sniper shots. Total devastation.

We reached and there was a beautiful brother who was looking for his family. Doing our job, we made the decision collectively to help find the brother’s family amongst the annihilation.

Unfortunately, the danger starts, there is constant bombing very very very close by, drones literally above our heads and sniper shooting. We are ducking and diving, and weaving in and out of the rubble and destruction.

We have so much to worry about – 1- to find this brother’s family, 2- to not get struck on the head by falling debris from the tops of buildings/houses, 3 – to ensure our safety from the Israeli Occupational Forces.

And here is the original thread about it posted by TeeYiYi on Sunday:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025267349


As sad as it is, thanks for sharing that video, Comrade Grumpy; I'd only read the story and looked at Joe Catron’s pictures this past weekend.

[Aerows]

24. This is why I hang out

in gardening, and cooking and baking. Unreal.

[PAProgressive28]

27. There definitely could be something up with this video

It would not surprise me if it turned out to be fake.

It also wouldn't surprise me if 100% true. The world is a crazy place right now and stuff like this can now be viewed worldwide because of the Internet. Between Gaza and the plane crash I've seen so many horrific images this week that I'm starting to get desensitized.

Whatever the case may be with this particular piece of footage, for a country claiming it's not targeting civilians, Israel is either lying or has the worst military in history.

[redgreenandblue]

28. k&r

[DeSwiss]

29. Insanity.

"How many does it take to metamorphose wickedness into righteousness? One man must not kill. If he does it is murder. But a state or nation may kill as many as they please, and it is not murder... Only get enough people to agree to it, and the butchery of myriads of human beings is perfectly innocent. But how many does it take?" ~Adin Ballou, 1845

[2banon]

33. Hear, Here!

for this excellent quote.

[Comrade Grumpy]

30. Gotta love the Zionist deniers on this thread. Kick for a new day.

[Bonx]

38. Is resonable skepticism a sign of being a 'Zionist denier' ?

Count me in.

[Hissyspit]

42. NYT article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/23/world/middleeast/palestinian-family-finds-missing-son-in-youtube-video-of-his-shooting.html

OPEN SOURCE
Palestinian Family Finds Missing Son in YouTube Video of His Shooting

- snip -

A sister and a cousin of the missing 23-year-old, Salem Khaleel Shamaly, were horrified to see video of him lying on the ground in the ruined neighborhood they had fled, Shejaiya, wounded by an unseen sniper, according to activists from the Palestinian-led International Solidarity Movement who witnessed the incident and released the footage. As the man tried to get to his feet, two more shots rang out, and he stopped moving.



A video report showing the apparently fatal shooting of an unarmed Palestinian civilian, recorded on Sunday in Gaza City by a local activist.
INTERNATIONAL SOLIDARITY MOVEMENT PALESTINE, VIA YOUTUBE
Joe Catron, a human rights activist who witnessed the shooting and documented the incident in photographs posted on Flickr, said in a telephone interview from Gaza that, although it seemed certain the young man would die without emergency medical treatment, the rest of the small party with which he was traveling had no choice but to retreat when shelling resumed in the area after the filming had stopped. The two people closest to the gunshot victim were convinced that he was dead by the time they left, Mr. Catron said.


An American activist's photograph of Salem Khaleel Shamaly, 23, a Palestinian man who was apparently shot in Gaza City on Sunday.
JOE CATRON, VIA FLICKR
Mr. Shamaly’s cousin, Mohammed Alqattawi, said in a telephone interview from Gaza on Tuesday that his family had tried to get rescue workers from the International Committee of the Red Cross at Shifa Hospital in Gaza City to retrieve the body, only to be told that the situation in Shejaiya remained too dangerous. At least 60 Palestinians and 13 Israelis were killed there during a fierce battle between the Israel Defense Forces and Hamas militants.

[JI7]

49. what are "zionist deniers" ?

[davidpdx]

70. .....

On Wed Jul 23, 2014, 07:38 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Gotta love the Zionist deniers on this thread. Kick for a new day.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5275568

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This post smacks of anti-Semitism.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Jul 23, 2014, 07:48 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Context is everything. This poster is not known for anti-Semitism
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Explanation: How is accusing other DUers of denying Zionism anti-Semitic?
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
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Explanation: Dog whistle.
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[LordGlenconner]

31. And all of this over religion

What a fucking waste.

[Dreamer Tatum]

32. ISM said it. It HAS to be true. nt

[Hissyspit]

40. Palestinian Family Finds Missing Son in YouTube Video of His Shooting

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/23/world/middleeast/palestinian-family-finds-missing-son-in-youtube-video-of-his-shooting.html

Palestinian Family Finds Missing Son in YouTube Video of His Shooting

Joe Catron, a human rights activist who witnessed the shooting and documented the incident in photographs posted on Flickr, said in a telephone interview from Gaza that, although it seemed certain the young man would die without emergency medical treatment, the rest of the small party with which he was traveling had no choice but to retreat when shelling resumed in the area after the filming had stopped. The two people closest to the gunshot victim were convinced that he was dead by the time they left, Mr. Catron said.

[JI7]

43. so it was fake

maybe the OP needs to edit or delete

[Hissyspit]

45. How did you get that?

Last edited Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:04 PM - Edit history (1)

The article seems to confirm the video.

[JI7]

48. here is an analysis of the timeline of the video and why it's questionable

even before these details the video seemed really weird to me.

<Around 02:20 - You can see the distance between the green shirt and his group and the workers wearing the yellow vests. Pretty far away.

02:24 - Green shirt is standing right in front of the cameraman. Close enough they could touch each other. Shot is heard on camera or dubbed in.

02:25 - Green shirt is now laying on the ground a fair distance from the cameraman. Let's say approximately 15 feet. Inexplicably, they are now separated by twisted metal and concrete. There is no blood or visible gun shot wound. Just one round from a sniper rifle though. Hey, maybe it's a fluke.

02:30 - Miracle of miracles. We now see they are incredibly close to the aid workers. Which is convenient if you are trying to recite dialogue. At the distance they were when the first shot rang out, it would be tough to pick up what the workers might say on the camera's microphone. This makes it more compelling and believable. It's tough to create heart-wrenching theater when you're shouting at each other from long distances.

02:37 - Second alleged shot. Again, there is still zero blood or visible gun shot wounds. It's starting to look a little suspicious, but let's give them the benefit of the doubt. These people are nothing if not honest and trustworthy.

02:54 - It's an early Christmas miracle. 3rd hit. The 'kill shot'. Three shots to the body with no impact seen on camera, no visible gunshot wounds, and not even a speck of blood.>


Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=340_1406013332#gzGudHDz8R64mEJA.99

[Gravitycollapse]

50. It seems obviously fake to me. The "impact" and gunshot are simultaneous in the video.

Consider, that a high powered sniper rifle has ammunition which travels more than 2.5 times faster than the speed of sound.

At 200 yards, the bullet would impact after 2/10 of a second but the sound would impact after 6/10 of a second. At 500 yards, the bullet would impact in slightly over half a second but the sound would impact at 1.5 seconds.

The difference between the impact of the bullet and the sound grows greater as the distance increases. It would be noticeable in the video assuming the sniper isn't very close.

[progressoid]

51. Oh good. An anonymous internet poster gives it the 'Apollo missions are fake' treatment.

That's just as convincing.

[Gravitycollapse]

52. There are many reasons why that analogy is ridiculous.

Not the least of which is that there is an overwhelming abundance of evidence spanning several decades from an almost innumerable number of independent sources verifying that man was on the moon.

This video is brand new, hasn't been verified by news outlets and seems to contradict basic physical laws.

[countryjake]

55. I'm sure that his grieving family will care as they bury their son...

whether or not some anonymous DUer believes that he was shot dead.

Palestinian Family Finds Missing Son in YouTube Video of His Shooting

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/23/world/middleeast/palestinian-family-finds-missing-son-in-youtube-video-of-his-shooting.html?_r=0

The video was recorded by a local activist, Mohammed Abedullah, at about 3:30 p.m. on Sunday, during a two-hour ceasefire brokered by the Red Cross, when a group of volunteers and Palestinian rescue workers searched for survivors in Shejaiya. It had been under intense Israeli shelling since early that morning.

Mr. Abedullah’s video was edited by the International Solidarity Movement Palestine’s West Bank media office, which posted the video on YouTube with a headline assigning blame for the shooting to an unseen Israeli sniper. The activists provided 15 minutes 45 seconds of raw footage to The New York Times for review, and although it bears no apparent signs of manipulation, it also offers no clear evidence of the gunman’s identity.

[Gravitycollapse]

57. Listen, I could be incorrect in my analysis. But I'm not incorrect because a family is grieving.

That is a fallacious claim on your part.

[JI7]

53. see post 50 , the video is more like the Acorn and other James O'Keefe videos

[Hissyspit]

62. Yes, they fake it by NOT bringing any fake blood.

?

"These people are nothing if not honest and trustworthy."

Yeah, that's good analysis. Sure.

[JI7]

82. that doesn't even make sense

[Marrah_G]

54. This is incredibly sad

I can't imagine having to live in a prison like Gaza. I can't imagine having my children growing up there.

[enid602]

58. fake?

Whether the video was faked or not, I cannot conceive that an urban landscape can be so totally destroyed. It looks like all 600 Palestinians killed so far could well be under the rubble of that single block. What a sad and tragic use of Israeli and US treasure. We are the enablers in this country. We can't blame this on Israel alone.

[Marrah_G]

59. It's frightening

I can't imagine the level of fear in Gaza right now. Fear that will turn into more hate. The vicious circle continues.

[B Calm]

64. Wondering if sniper has dual US citizenship with Israel. .

Reported on national news Monday that there are thousands of US citizens in the Israel military.

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65. You identified the bullet's origin?

That's impressive. If you were able to do that, why ask if the shooter is also American?

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66. . . .

Hell I even wonder how many US politicians have dual citizenship and where their loyality stands.

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67. Can't say I am surprised, but do you have a list?!

BTW, you didn't say how you determined the bullets origin. I know there are many needing the information.

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68. Do you have a list? I

really would like to know.

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69. You made the comment...so, no? No list of "dual citizens?"

What list would I have? I made no comment about having a list.

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71. thousands of US citizens in the Israel military.

And thousands more veterans of serving in both militaries rom over the years.
Some may even be members of this site..

What is your point?

of course I am always suspect of Pallywood's newest blockbuster having seen them do far worse than this, in person, to make a point.

This looks fake, which is truly fucked, because we are now talking about that instead of the real conflict and real atrocities that are going on right now, by BOTH sides.

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72. I guess my point is if there are that many US citizens

with dual citizenships in their military, how many of our politicians also have dual citizenships and also where their loyalties lie in the USA or Israel.

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73. So, do you question their patriotism?

Or their legal status.
I know many good and decent Americans, VERY liberal, solid Democratic voters and contributors, of both time and money, that are IDF veterans and American citizens.. One specifically is currently boycotting Israeli products and funding the hell out of the Havoda party, due to his disgust with the Likud party's constant war mongering and ruthless treatment of the Gazans.

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74. I question all of our politicians decisions on important matters,

don't you?

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75. Yes.

But not based on some absurd idea of the Jews are infiltrating our country kind of idea.

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78. 121 Billion Dollars in foreign aid to Israel. We have reason

to question why our elected politicians make these decisions while ignoring our health care.

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79. If you are comfortable with your reasons

OK. Ask away

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80. Do you think it's reasonable for a politician who votes to send our tax dollars to

a very wealthy country (that already has national healthcare) but votes against the ACA?

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81. Straw man

One of my litmus tests for MY political support is support of Israel.

The other is a support for single payer, so ACA is a load of shit to me, just more enriching the insurance companies at the expense of all Americans.

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83. Do you have dual citizenship with Israel?

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84. I have been a Machal, but did not choose to make Aliyah

So, no I am not a dual citizen, I was born in the US and am quite proud of my homeland, and my service to it as well as the home of my ancestors and service to it.

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89. My Rabbi cousin is Aliyah.

He owns two properties in Israel!

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86. We also send hundreds of billions of dollars to Muslim nations as well.

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88. That's why we should question politicians who vote against their citizens, but

are more than willing to send our tax dollars to wealthy countries.

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90. We're paying them to have leverage over them.

"Don't start trouble or you'll have to pay for your own luxury yacht."

I'm not saying its etchical or practical or even effective. Just sayin'