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US embassy in Berlin got illuminated last night (Original Post) nationalize the fed Jul 2014 OP
I don't know if it is real or not former9thward Jul 2014 #1
Projections on the facades of buildings is a common practice in public art BainsBane Jul 2014 #18
video nationalize the fed Jul 2014 #2
that image and statement appear very racist too me PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #3
Agreed... Cooley Hurd Jul 2014 #4
A German Redditor responds nationalize the fed Jul 2014 #5
"We made him a stereotypical cartoon hip-hop guy because most hip-hop guys are black and so is he" Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #12
all of their explanations just shows why it's so offensive JI7 Jul 2014 #24
Agreed, quite racist. That's their 'thug' meme to call for support. Guess they didn't have an image freshwest Jul 2014 #7
uh, not at all reorg Jul 2014 #10
sorry, it's still racist as hell. cali Jul 2014 #17
to put this contention to the test, reorg Jul 2014 #19
this is like bringing up some restaurant owned by a black person that serves fried chicken JI7 Jul 2014 #20
Winner! Winner! Chicken dinner! Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #21
No, it shows that "in da house" in connection with Obama is not perceived as somehow pejorative - reorg Jul 2014 #23
Sooooo...are you now claiming the lightshow is actually relaying "coolness?" Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #25
it is an expression of disappointment reorg Jul 2014 #28
So basically, you have no clue as to why it is racist. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #42
I would certainly like to talk to the Germans who did this about this version of CTyankee Jul 2014 #26
on the coolness of Hip-Hop in the German mind reorg Jul 2014 #29
I understand that, which is why I said I'd like to talk to them about it and give them CTyankee Jul 2014 #30
97% of Reddit gets it nationalize the fed Jul 2014 #31
When were you "slimed as a racist"... SidDithers Jul 2014 #37
Good question. nt sufrommich Jul 2014 #38
So because.... Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #39
Well, if you could EXPLAIN why you feel it's racist reorg Jul 2014 #40
This post explained it well Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #44
No, I don't think so reorg Jul 2014 #51
Oh, and "It's time for me to move on to more sophisticated debate forums"... SidDithers Jul 2014 #45
nope, sorry, still racist as hell. cali Jul 2014 #22
I agree JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #33
not racist but it does look like it was done by a 14 year old... snooper2 Jul 2014 #32
if you're explaining a racist comment it's probably racist spanone Jul 2014 #36
LOL ... Yep! ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #43
yes sirree. spanone Jul 2014 #47
No, you see, it's not racist 'cause Eminem... SidDithers Jul 2014 #50
Green for victory!!...nt SidDithers Jul 2014 #6
You see! Because Obama's black! Get it? Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #8
Yep. Has nothing to do with the character of Obama. Using the RW racist 'gangster' slur. freshwest Jul 2014 #34
he already did this in Vienna reorg Jul 2014 #9
Yo! Yo! Yo! Dat's da SHIT! Fo-shizzle! Homies up in the hiz-ouse!! Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #11
Maybe someone, I dunno, like Eminem, might take offense to what you just said The Straight Story Jul 2014 #13
A color blind society is just as racist as basing opinions on someone BECAUSE OF race. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #15
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #48
It manages to be both inane AND offensive. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #14
YUP! Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #16
Thanks. Was wondering if I was being 'too sensitive' to appreciate the humor. freshwest Jul 2014 #35
You weren't being too sensitive, others are being insensitive and calling it OK... Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #46
No, you're not being "too sensitive" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #49
Thanks for wondering about the 'backwards goobers.' Could very well be. freshwest Jul 2014 #41
Yes, all the more reason NSA should be spying on them. nt kelliekat44 Jul 2014 #27

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
18. Projections on the facades of buildings is a common practice in public art
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 05:09 AM
Jul 2014

at the moment. I'm sure it's real. Though I agree the image is not well-chosen and cartoonish at best.

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
2. video
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 11:21 AM
Jul 2014

#NSAindaHouse "echte" Agenten im Passat / Lichtprojektion US Botschaft



Published on Jul 19, 2014

An image with the slogan 'NSA in da House' (National Security Agency in the house) and a stylized victory sign are projected, for several minutes, on the outside of the US embassy in Berlin, Germany, 19 July 2014, during an art event by German light artist Oliver Bienkowski. Germany has called on Washington to end its spying on Europe's biggest economy after relations between the two nations plunged to a new low in the wake of allegations of US espionage in the nation. Berlin expelled the US top intelligence officer in Germany amid claims that two German officials - one working for the domestic secret service (BND) and the other for the Defence Ministry - had handed over sensitive material to Washington.
 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
3. that image and statement appear very racist too me
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 11:25 AM
Jul 2014

I certainly do not approve of NSAs actions, but that is something that kkk tea baggers would do in the states.

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
5. A German Redditor responds
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 11:42 AM
Jul 2014
How is that racist? Most American Hip-Hoppers are black and "In da house" is black slang. It's a play on words.
pixartist http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2b4mou/us_embassy_in_berlin_got_illuminated_last_night/cj1tkuo

"In da house" is generally considered rap-slang, and since Obama is black, it was probably an easy link to make, since a huge portion of the American rap / hip-hip scene is black. It's not racist, maybe a bit stereotyping. Europe is not as hyper-sensitive about the terminology here.
pixartist http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2b4mou/us_embassy_in_berlin_got_illuminated_last_night/cj1tjyf

We won't. It's your turn to come towards the international community. We've had enough of your shit
pixartist http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2b4mou/us_embassy_in_berlin_got_illuminated_last_night/cj1ti0k

Most of the comments calling this racist are being downvoted into the void.

This redditor makes the central point:

Isn't that terrible. Other countries protesting against our government but Americans are either too apathetic or too afraid. America home of the "Free" and the lazy.
ferriolom http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2b4mou/us_embassy_in_berlin_got_illuminated_last_night/cj1tj9m

Some people get it.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
12. "We made him a stereotypical cartoon hip-hop guy because most hip-hop guys are black and so is he"
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 04:44 AM
Jul 2014

"Why in heavens name would anyone think that is racist?"

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
7. Agreed, quite racist. That's their 'thug' meme to call for support. Guess they didn't have an image
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 01:04 AM
Jul 2014
of Obama the witch doctor in white face with blood dripping from his teeth. Maybe they've already used that one. It never gets old with the rightists.

reorg

(3,317 posts)
10. uh, not at all
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 02:10 AM
Jul 2014

Perhaps your interpretation is conceivable in the US, but there simply aren't any "thugs" who would fit that description in Germany. The baseball cap and hiphop lingo is clearly meant to show someone trying to be "cool". So, the intended and most likely reaction to the sound bite is more like "yeah, bro, we love you!".


In da house
An exclamation used as a compliment, especially if the person is considered very knowledgeable and has helped a person out in some way with little difficulty doing so.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=In+da+house

reorg

(3,317 posts)
19. to put this contention to the test,
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 05:22 AM
Jul 2014

I searched for "Obama in da house".

The result: a very friendly, almost fawning article about a presidential visit to a university campus in an Austrian paper:

Obama in da house

Der amerikanische Präsident schafft es immer noch, die Massen zu begeistern. Bei einem Auftritt in Colorado lässt er wieder die Funken sprühen.



Barack Obama mag in Umfragen an Beliebtheit verloren haben. Wenn er auf einen Uni-Campus kommt, ist er aber immer noch ein Superstar. Seit halb acht in der Früh stehen Aisha, Marissa und Sarah vor den Toren des Basketballstadions der University of Colorado in Boulder, um den Präsidenten am Abend reden zu hören.

„Ich finde, er macht sich sehr gut“, sagt Aisha. So wie ihre Freundinnen trägt die Studentin ein T-Shirt mit einem Obama-Foto. „Er kann ja nicht alles alleine reparieren“, sagt Marissa während Sarah hinzufügt: „Die Gesundheitsreform war jedenfalls eine große Sache.“

http://www.datum.at/artikel/obama-in-da-house/


Rough translation:

The American president still manages to inspire the masses. At his gig in Colorado, his charm is sparkling.

Barack Obama may have lost in popularity polls. But when he appears at a university campus, he is still a superstar. Since half past seven in the morning Aisha, Marissa and Sarah are at the gates of the basketball stadium at the University of Colorado in Boulder to hear the President talk in the evening.

"I think he is doing very well," says Aisha. Like her friends she is wearing a student T-shirt with an Obama photo. "He can't fix everything," says Marissa while Sarah adds: "The health care reform was certainly a big deal."

JI7

(89,244 posts)
20. this is like bringing up some restaurant owned by a black person that serves fried chicken
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 05:52 AM
Jul 2014

to defend someone making jokes about black people and fried chicken.

Behind the Aegis

(53,944 posts)
21. Winner! Winner! Chicken dinner!
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 05:58 AM
Jul 2014

Pun...well, not really intended, but...

I see it is the same as someone saying "Well, why is calling a gay person a "queer" bad, when they have a group called "Queer Nation?!" or saying "Heeb isn't really an anti-Semitic slur because there is a magazine by the same name!" or, more on point, "Why is it "racist" to portray Obama as a chimp? Many artists did the same with Bush and that wasn't considered "racist!""

Context matters. It seems to be lost on some.

Good post. So much more succinct than mine.

reorg

(3,317 posts)
23. No, it shows that "in da house" in connection with Obama is not perceived as somehow pejorative -
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 06:15 AM
Jul 2014

on the contrary, the article headline is used to underline and confirm the impression of coolness.

Nobody made racist jokes, the light show contrasts Obama's coolness with the actions of the NSA which are considered uncool.

Behind the Aegis

(53,944 posts)
25. Sooooo...are you now claiming the lightshow is actually relaying "coolness?"
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 06:25 AM
Jul 2014

Or is the display pejorative?

reorg

(3,317 posts)
28. it is an expression of disappointment
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 06:57 AM
Jul 2014

that this guy



cannot reign in these types, apparently



(sorry, I just noticed the shades - stereotyping? racism?)

Behind the Aegis

(53,944 posts)
42. So basically, you have no clue as to why it is racist.
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 05:27 PM
Jul 2014

I understand now as your rank "question" at the end explains it all.

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
26. I would certainly like to talk to the Germans who did this about this version of
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 06:38 AM
Jul 2014

"coolness" if that is what this purports to say, as you state. Someone needs to tell them that Americans who may completely agree with them on the NSA would find this image quite offensive and troubling and the wrong way to send your message. They need to hear that their erstwhile allies on this issue have very strong objections to this kind of off the wall and totally unnecessary image making. It distracts from the larger issue and defeats their purpose. It is damningly insensitive on their part.

And it is a huge international faux pas to project it on the American embassy. Bad form, indeed...

reorg

(3,317 posts)
29. on the coolness of Hip-Hop in the German mind
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 07:29 AM
Jul 2014
Hip-Hop ist einer von Obamas Coolness-Faktoren
(Hip-Hop is one of Obama's coolness factors)

Präsidentschaftskandidat Barack Obama hat sich vorsichtig als Anhänger des aus dem schwarzen Milieu stammenden, oft mit Militanz und Sexismus spielenden Hip-Hop zu erkennen gegeben. Schmälert das seine Siegchancen?
(Presidential candidate Barack Obama has tentatively outed himself as an adherent of Hip-Hop, which originated from Black culture and frequently makes allusions to militancy and sexism. Does this narrow his chances of winning?)

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/machtwechsel-in-amerika/musik-kritiker-john-mcwhorter-im-gespraech-hip-hop-ist-einer-von-obamas-coolness-faktoren-1713917.html

Hip-Hop: Wo Coolness die Straße regiert
(Hip-Hop: Where coolness reigns the street)

http://www.rhein-zeitung.de/nachrichten/deutschland-und-welt_artikel,-Hip-Hop-Wo-Coolness-die-Strasse-regiert-_arid,576599.html

In both cases, articles in conservative newspapers, the "coolness of Hip-Hop" is ultimately understood as something positive and not used in any pejorative way.

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
30. I understand that, which is why I said I'd like to talk to them about it and give them
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 08:25 AM
Jul 2014

some insights into the way progressive Americans might interpret it. They may think it is perfectly fine. But they need to learn about our feelings, given all the strife and misery here caused by racism. A word to the wise...

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
31. 97% of Reddit gets it
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 09:41 AM
Jul 2014
this post was submitted to Reddit /r/pics on 19 Jul 2014
4,399 points (97% upvoted)
2316 comments
http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2b4mou/us_embassy_in_berlin_got_illuminated_last_night/

this post was submitted to Reddit /r/cyberpunk on 19 Jul 2014
597 points (97% upvoted)
http://www.reddit.com/r/Cyberpunk/comments/2b53v3/us_embassy_in_berlin_got_illuminated_last_night/

Imgur stats:
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Younger minds haven't been poisoned with so much partisan bs.

This "racist" sliming has gone way way way too far. I for one will never forgive or forget being slimed as a racist for opposing Obama's health insurance ripoff -even though he himself opposed it when he was campaigning...er...lying to get into office. It's time for me to move on to more sophisticated debate forums, it's just not worth it anymore at some places- there's so much division and hate. Screw it.

If a repub had been caught behind the NSA revelations there would have been outrage throughout this board, and damn rightfully so. I wouldn't be surprised of some see claiming racism absolves their regret over having accepted this kind of thing.
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
39. So because....
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 03:44 PM
Jul 2014

...a bunch of anonymous posters on a message board (most likely white posters) don't think it's racist, that means its not racist.

Brilliant logic.

reorg

(3,317 posts)
51. No, I don't think so
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 06:45 PM
Jul 2014

It's an arrogant little rant. Do I REALLY believe these guys would have pictured Bush with a baseball cap and a "black" (and rather mainstream, nowadays) phrase? Yes, I REALLY believe they would. And although I don't know them personally, I'm positive that I know them much better than Mr. Aegis does.

This is what Wikipedia says, in a surprisingly well-written article on the subject:

Racism consists of both prejudice and discrimination based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. It often takes the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems that consider different races to be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities. It may also hold that members of different races should be treated differently.


This first paragraph is obviously not applicable, neither prejudice nor discrimination towards biological difference are even remotely hinted at in the lightshow display.

Some consider any assumption that a person's behavior is tied to their racial categorization is inherently racist, regardless of whether the action is intentionally harmful or pejorative, because stereotyping necessarily subordinates individual identity to group identity.


This wider definition by "some" is perhaps what you are basing your perceptions on. But the display does not imply that Obama uses hip-hop phrases (however mainstreamed these days). The display also doesn't imply Obama wears baseball caps backwards (like deejays or Holden in "Catcher in the Rye&quot . It doesn't imply any stereotypical behavior at all. It only implies that sneaky NSA agents are snooping in da house, from the one the projection is pointing at, whose boss happens to be a relatively cool guy, and we still don't like it one bit.

As regards the references to chicken and so forth - it took me a very long time of reading American literature and watching TV series to even learn that they are somehow perceived as denigrating or pejorative, kind of like Germans are stereotypically portrayed as beer drinking boors who are always drunk. Well, feel free to imagine me sitting in front of my screen in lederhosen, and, actually, I have two pounds of sauerkraut in my fridge right now, it's true!

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
45. Oh, and "It's time for me to move on to more sophisticated debate forums"...
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 05:39 PM
Jul 2014

C'mon. You know that's not going to happen. You'll just change names again, like you did when you were:

court jester
Gravel Democrat
green for victory (though, to be fair, you got banned with that one)
solarhydrocan

If you've taken the trouble to register at DU 5 times, you're not going to "move on to more sophisticated debate forums"

To the jurors, I'll take the hide, if you think this is bullshit. But I assure you it isn't, the poster has been cut and pasting their own posts from their previous accounts with every new name.



Sid

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
33. I agree
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 01:57 PM
Jul 2014

Anyone who thinks the Germans haven't bought into the stereotypes of black Americans is being deliberately ignorant.

As well - wouldn't an "Urkel" have fit better? Oh wait - Alex Jones wouldn't approve of that. Carry on!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
34. Yep. Has nothing to do with the character of Obama. Using the RW racist 'gangster' slur.
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 03:00 PM
Jul 2014
And as a 'criticism' of PBO, it's definitely not affection or just about policy. Germans are not 'color blind,' nor is this statement. Just some harmless humor, laughing it up here? As Rush says, 'You liberals can't take a joke.'

reorg

(3,317 posts)
9. he already did this in Vienna
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 01:50 AM
Jul 2014


(UNO City), and previously at the US Embassy in Berlin (commissioned by Kim Dotcom):

Behind the Aegis

(53,944 posts)
11. Yo! Yo! Yo! Dat's da SHIT! Fo-shizzle! Homies up in the hiz-ouse!!
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 04:33 AM
Jul 2014

What?! No traditional Black History menu items of watermelon and fried chicken! Dat'd be d'bomb!

I would ask if I need , but clearly I do as some don't see that shit as racist twaddle! Ooo...Obama is black, hip-hop artists are black, therefore, it is OK! If you can't see the racism in that "art," ask yourself, if it was Bush, do you HONESTLY think they would have portrayed him with a backwards ball cap (despite pictures of him wearing caps that way) and "black slang"? Just because the same racial stereotypes aren't the same worldwide doesn't mean they aren't magically inoffensive!

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
13. Maybe someone, I dunno, like Eminem, might take offense to what you just said
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 04:46 AM
Jul 2014

You basically just stated that a form of music is related to a single race.

As of June 2014, he is the second best selling male artist of the Nielsen Soundscan era, the sixth best overall selling artist in the United States, and the best-selling hip-hop artist having sold 45,160,000 albums and 31 million digital singles

He also wears his baseball cap backwards.

But hey, if it sounds like 'black slang', as you mentioned, it must only be music black people use and any use by others (as in the case of the op) is just racism.

Will be glad when we become an actual color blind society.

Behind the Aegis

(53,944 posts)
15. A color blind society is just as racist as basing opinions on someone BECAUSE OF race.
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 04:58 AM
Jul 2014
You basically just stated that a form of music is related to a single race.


I would say that is laughable, but I have seen other posts by you. So, still 'laughable' just not "ha ha" funny, more "bless your heart" funny. If you truly understood what I wrote, then you would realize it was the "artist" that sees "hip-hop" as "black" music. Did you even bother to ask yourself the question I posed, especially given your Eminem example?
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
48. Well ...
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 06:13 PM
Jul 2014

Someone, I don't know, like Eminem recognizes that, but for his being white and coopting Black stereotypes, he wouldn't have a "rap" career. (See: White America http://www.trshady.com/eminem-songs/11-white-america)

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
14. It manages to be both inane AND offensive.
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 04:47 AM
Jul 2014

And makes the anti-NSA protesters look like such backwards goobers, one has to wonder if the NSA themselves did it.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
35. Thanks. Was wondering if I was being 'too sensitive' to appreciate the humor.
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 03:03 PM
Jul 2014

Last edited Sun Jul 20, 2014, 05:26 PM - Edit history (1)


Behind the Aegis

(53,944 posts)
46. You weren't being too sensitive, others are being insensitive and calling it OK...
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 05:42 PM
Jul 2014

...because they believe the end justify the means. I usually see this with conservative or right-leaning people, except when it comes to Jews. The movement is trying to use racism to further their cause, and it obviously works for some.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
49. No, you're not being "too sensitive" ...
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 06:16 PM
Jul 2014

and don't let those defending their "really clever, but completely tone deaf" idea dissuade you.

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