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former9thward
(31,970 posts)but it is funny either way.
BainsBane
(53,029 posts)at the moment. I'm sure it's real. Though I agree the image is not well-chosen and cartoonish at best.
nationalize the fed
(2,169 posts)#NSAindaHouse "echte" Agenten im Passat / Lichtprojektion US Botschaft
Published on Jul 19, 2014
An image with the slogan 'NSA in da House' (National Security Agency in the house) and a stylized victory sign are projected, for several minutes, on the outside of the US embassy in Berlin, Germany, 19 July 2014, during an art event by German light artist Oliver Bienkowski. Germany has called on Washington to end its spying on Europe's biggest economy after relations between the two nations plunged to a new low in the wake of allegations of US espionage in the nation. Berlin expelled the US top intelligence officer in Germany amid claims that two German officials - one working for the domestic secret service (BND) and the other for the Defence Ministry - had handed over sensitive material to Washington.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)I certainly do not approve of NSAs actions, but that is something that kkk tea baggers would do in the states.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)...not cool.
nationalize the fed
(2,169 posts)How is that racist? Most American Hip-Hoppers are black and "In da house" is black slang. It's a play on words.
pixartist http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2b4mou/us_embassy_in_berlin_got_illuminated_last_night/cj1tkuo
"In da house" is generally considered rap-slang, and since Obama is black, it was probably an easy link to make, since a huge portion of the American rap / hip-hip scene is black. It's not racist, maybe a bit stereotyping. Europe is not as hyper-sensitive about the terminology here.
pixartist http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2b4mou/us_embassy_in_berlin_got_illuminated_last_night/cj1tjyf
We won't. It's your turn to come towards the international community. We've had enough of your shit
pixartist http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2b4mou/us_embassy_in_berlin_got_illuminated_last_night/cj1ti0k
Most of the comments calling this racist are being downvoted into the void.
This redditor makes the central point:
Isn't that terrible. Other countries protesting against our government but Americans are either too apathetic or too afraid. America home of the "Free" and the lazy.
ferriolom http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2b4mou/us_embassy_in_berlin_got_illuminated_last_night/cj1tj9m
Some people get it.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)"Why in heavens name would anyone think that is racist?"
JI7
(89,244 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)reorg
(3,317 posts)Perhaps your interpretation is conceivable in the US, but there simply aren't any "thugs" who would fit that description in Germany. The baseball cap and hiphop lingo is clearly meant to show someone trying to be "cool". So, the intended and most likely reaction to the sound bite is more like "yeah, bro, we love you!".
An exclamation used as a compliment, especially if the person is considered very knowledgeable and has helped a person out in some way with little difficulty doing so.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=In+da+house
cali
(114,904 posts)reorg
(3,317 posts)I searched for "Obama in da house".
The result: a very friendly, almost fawning article about a presidential visit to a university campus in an Austrian paper:
Der amerikanische Präsident schafft es immer noch, die Massen zu begeistern. Bei einem Auftritt in Colorado lässt er wieder die Funken sprühen.
Barack Obama mag in Umfragen an Beliebtheit verloren haben. Wenn er auf einen Uni-Campus kommt, ist er aber immer noch ein Superstar. Seit halb acht in der Früh stehen Aisha, Marissa und Sarah vor den Toren des Basketballstadions der University of Colorado in Boulder, um den Präsidenten am Abend reden zu hören.
Ich finde, er macht sich sehr gut, sagt Aisha. So wie ihre Freundinnen trägt die Studentin ein T-Shirt mit einem Obama-Foto. Er kann ja nicht alles alleine reparieren, sagt Marissa während Sarah hinzufügt: Die Gesundheitsreform war jedenfalls eine große Sache.
http://www.datum.at/artikel/obama-in-da-house/
Rough translation:
The American president still manages to inspire the masses. At his gig in Colorado, his charm is sparkling.
Barack Obama may have lost in popularity polls. But when he appears at a university campus, he is still a superstar. Since half past seven in the morning Aisha, Marissa and Sarah are at the gates of the basketball stadium at the University of Colorado in Boulder to hear the President talk in the evening.
"I think he is doing very well," says Aisha. Like her friends she is wearing a student T-shirt with an Obama photo. "He can't fix everything," says Marissa while Sarah adds: "The health care reform was certainly a big deal."
JI7
(89,244 posts)to defend someone making jokes about black people and fried chicken.
Behind the Aegis
(53,944 posts)Pun...well, not really intended, but...
I see it is the same as someone saying "Well, why is calling a gay person a "queer" bad, when they have a group called "Queer Nation?!" or saying "Heeb isn't really an anti-Semitic slur because there is a magazine by the same name!" or, more on point, "Why is it "racist" to portray Obama as a chimp? Many artists did the same with Bush and that wasn't considered "racist!""
Context matters. It seems to be lost on some.
Good post. So much more succinct than mine.
reorg
(3,317 posts)on the contrary, the article headline is used to underline and confirm the impression of coolness.
Nobody made racist jokes, the light show contrasts Obama's coolness with the actions of the NSA which are considered uncool.
Behind the Aegis
(53,944 posts)Or is the display pejorative?
reorg
(3,317 posts)that this guy
cannot reign in these types, apparently
(sorry, I just noticed the shades - stereotyping? racism?)
Behind the Aegis
(53,944 posts)I understand now as your rank "question" at the end explains it all.
CTyankee
(63,901 posts)"coolness" if that is what this purports to say, as you state. Someone needs to tell them that Americans who may completely agree with them on the NSA would find this image quite offensive and troubling and the wrong way to send your message. They need to hear that their erstwhile allies on this issue have very strong objections to this kind of off the wall and totally unnecessary image making. It distracts from the larger issue and defeats their purpose. It is damningly insensitive on their part.
And it is a huge international faux pas to project it on the American embassy. Bad form, indeed...
reorg
(3,317 posts)(Hip-Hop is one of Obama's coolness factors)
Präsidentschaftskandidat Barack Obama hat sich vorsichtig als Anhänger des aus dem schwarzen Milieu stammenden, oft mit Militanz und Sexismus spielenden Hip-Hop zu erkennen gegeben. Schmälert das seine Siegchancen?
(Presidential candidate Barack Obama has tentatively outed himself as an adherent of Hip-Hop, which originated from Black culture and frequently makes allusions to militancy and sexism. Does this narrow his chances of winning?)
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/machtwechsel-in-amerika/musik-kritiker-john-mcwhorter-im-gespraech-hip-hop-ist-einer-von-obamas-coolness-faktoren-1713917.html
(Hip-Hop: Where coolness reigns the street)
http://www.rhein-zeitung.de/nachrichten/deutschland-und-welt_artikel,-Hip-Hop-Wo-Coolness-die-Strasse-regiert-_arid,576599.html
In both cases, articles in conservative newspapers, the "coolness of Hip-Hop" is ultimately understood as something positive and not used in any pejorative way.
CTyankee
(63,901 posts)some insights into the way progressive Americans might interpret it. They may think it is perfectly fine. But they need to learn about our feelings, given all the strife and misery here caused by racism. A word to the wise...
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Younger minds haven't been poisoned with so much partisan bs.
This "racist" sliming has gone way way way too far. I for one will never forgive or forget being slimed as a racist for opposing Obama's health insurance ripoff -even though he himself opposed it when he was campaigning...er...lying to get into office. It's time for me to move on to more sophisticated debate forums, it's just not worth it anymore at some places- there's so much division and hate. Screw it.
If a repub had been caught behind the NSA revelations there would have been outrage throughout this board, and damn rightfully so. I wouldn't be surprised of some see claiming racism absolves their regret over having accepted this kind of thing.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)You've only been here for 4 months.
Right?
Sid
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)...a bunch of anonymous posters on a message board (most likely white posters) don't think it's racist, that means its not racist.
Brilliant logic.
reorg
(3,317 posts)maybe those who don't can understand?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)reorg
(3,317 posts)It's an arrogant little rant. Do I REALLY believe these guys would have pictured Bush with a baseball cap and a "black" (and rather mainstream, nowadays) phrase? Yes, I REALLY believe they would. And although I don't know them personally, I'm positive that I know them much better than Mr. Aegis does.
This is what Wikipedia says, in a surprisingly well-written article on the subject:
This first paragraph is obviously not applicable, neither prejudice nor discrimination towards biological difference are even remotely hinted at in the lightshow display.
This wider definition by "some" is perhaps what you are basing your perceptions on. But the display does not imply that Obama uses hip-hop phrases (however mainstreamed these days). The display also doesn't imply Obama wears baseball caps backwards (like deejays or Holden in "Catcher in the Rye" . It doesn't imply any stereotypical behavior at all. It only implies that sneaky NSA agents are snooping in da house, from the one the projection is pointing at, whose boss happens to be a relatively cool guy, and we still don't like it one bit.
As regards the references to chicken and so forth - it took me a very long time of reading American literature and watching TV series to even learn that they are somehow perceived as denigrating or pejorative, kind of like Germans are stereotypically portrayed as beer drinking boors who are always drunk. Well, feel free to imagine me sitting in front of my screen in lederhosen, and, actually, I have two pounds of sauerkraut in my fridge right now, it's true!
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)C'mon. You know that's not going to happen. You'll just change names again, like you did when you were:
court jester
Gravel Democrat
green for victory (though, to be fair, you got banned with that one)
solarhydrocan
If you've taken the trouble to register at DU 5 times, you're not going to "move on to more sophisticated debate forums"
To the jurors, I'll take the hide, if you think this is bullshit. But I assure you it isn't, the poster has been cut and pasting their own posts from their previous accounts with every new name.
Sid
cali
(114,904 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)Anyone who thinks the Germans haven't bought into the stereotypes of black Americans is being deliberately ignorant.
As well - wouldn't an "Urkel" have fit better? Oh wait - Alex Jones wouldn't approve of that. Carry on!
snooper2
(30,151 posts)no biggie LOL
spanone
(135,816 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)especially if you are explaining it to Black folks that are calling it racist.
spanone
(135,816 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Har Har Har....so funny.....
freshwest
(53,661 posts)reorg
(3,317 posts)(UNO City), and previously at the US Embassy in Berlin (commissioned by Kim Dotcom):
Behind the Aegis
(53,944 posts)What?! No traditional Black History menu items of watermelon and fried chicken! Dat'd be d'bomb!
I would ask if I need , but clearly I do as some don't see that shit as racist twaddle! Ooo...Obama is black, hip-hop artists are black, therefore, it is OK! If you can't see the racism in that "art," ask yourself, if it was Bush, do you HONESTLY think they would have portrayed him with a backwards ball cap (despite pictures of him wearing caps that way) and "black slang"? Just because the same racial stereotypes aren't the same worldwide doesn't mean they aren't magically inoffensive!
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)You basically just stated that a form of music is related to a single race.
As of June 2014, he is the second best selling male artist of the Nielsen Soundscan era, the sixth best overall selling artist in the United States, and the best-selling hip-hop artist having sold 45,160,000 albums and 31 million digital singles
He also wears his baseball cap backwards.
But hey, if it sounds like 'black slang', as you mentioned, it must only be music black people use and any use by others (as in the case of the op) is just racism.
Will be glad when we become an actual color blind society.
Behind the Aegis
(53,944 posts)I would say that is laughable, but I have seen other posts by you. So, still 'laughable' just not "ha ha" funny, more "bless your heart" funny. If you truly understood what I wrote, then you would realize it was the "artist" that sees "hip-hop" as "black" music. Did you even bother to ask yourself the question I posed, especially given your Eminem example?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Someone, I don't know, like Eminem recognizes that, but for his being white and coopting Black stereotypes, he wouldn't have a "rap" career. (See: White America http://www.trshady.com/eminem-songs/11-white-america)
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And makes the anti-NSA protesters look like such backwards goobers, one has to wonder if the NSA themselves did it.
Behind the Aegis
(53,944 posts)Talk about smacking down your own movement.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Sun Jul 20, 2014, 05:26 PM - Edit history (1)
Behind the Aegis
(53,944 posts)...because they believe the end justify the means. I usually see this with conservative or right-leaning people, except when it comes to Jews. The movement is trying to use racism to further their cause, and it obviously works for some.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)and don't let those defending their "really clever, but completely tone deaf" idea dissuade you.