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Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:09 PM

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Reply Let this sink in for a minute... (Original post)
MrScorpio Apr 2012 OP
tk2kewl Apr 2012 #1
Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #47
JNelson6563 Apr 2012 #2
Ken Burch Apr 2012 #3
Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #80
bananas Apr 2012 #4
nxylas Apr 2012 #5
Initech Apr 2012 #6
rustydog Apr 2012 #7
BadGimp Apr 2012 #8
greytdemocrat Apr 2012 #9
donheld Apr 2012 #10
freshwest Apr 2012 #19
Canuckistanian Apr 2012 #11
cbrer Apr 2012 #12
tomp Apr 2012 #13
WillyT Apr 2012 #14
think Apr 2012 #15
baldguy Apr 2012 #16
think Apr 2012 #17
baldguy Apr 2012 #21
think Apr 2012 #22
derby378 Apr 2012 #24
baldguy Apr 2012 #28
Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #29
friendly_iconoclast Apr 2012 #50
baldguy Apr 2012 #52
friendly_iconoclast Apr 2012 #54
baldguy Apr 2012 #57
friendly_iconoclast Apr 2012 #67
baldguy Apr 2012 #68
friendly_iconoclast Apr 2012 #83
derby378 Apr 2012 #55
baldguy Apr 2012 #56
derby378 Apr 2012 #58
baldguy Apr 2012 #59
derby378 Apr 2012 #60
baldguy Apr 2012 #61
derby378 Apr 2012 #62
baldguy Apr 2012 #64
derby378 Apr 2012 #66
baldguy Apr 2012 #69
derby378 Apr 2012 #71
baldguy Apr 2012 #72
derby378 Apr 2012 #73
baldguy Apr 2012 #76
derby378 Apr 2012 #77
baldguy Apr 2012 #78
derby378 Apr 2012 #79
baldguy Apr 2012 #81
friendly_iconoclast Apr 2012 #84
baldguy Apr 2012 #85
derby378 Apr 2012 #87
Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #53
Paladin Apr 2012 #74
derby378 Apr 2012 #75
baldguy Apr 2012 #82
derby378 Apr 2012 #86
Paladin Apr 2012 #88
Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #46
Dead_Parrot Apr 2012 #18
Jamaal510 Apr 2012 #20
Rex Apr 2012 #23
TomClash Apr 2012 #25
MrScorpio Apr 2012 #26
lunatica Apr 2012 #27
Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #30
tk2kewl Apr 2012 #31
Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #32
tk2kewl Apr 2012 #33
Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #34
tk2kewl Apr 2012 #35
Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #36
tk2kewl Apr 2012 #37
Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #38
tk2kewl Apr 2012 #39
Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #40
tk2kewl Apr 2012 #42
tk2kewl Apr 2012 #43
Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #45
MicaelS Apr 2012 #48
friendly_iconoclast Apr 2012 #49
Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #51
Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #41
coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #44
unkachuck Apr 2012 #63
Zax2me Apr 2012 #65
WhoIsNumberNone Apr 2012 #70

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:13 PM

1. "...and now my soldiers can search any colon any time."

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Response to tk2kewl (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 12:41 PM

47. It's a new educational policy

"No colon left behind"

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:14 PM

2. OMG.

Last edited Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:18 PM - Edit history (1)

WTF?

This is so wrong on so many levels.

Julie

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:34 PM

3. Hail The Emperor,Augustus Bloombergus!

n/t.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 09:34 PM

80. LOL! Very clever. nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:19 PM

5. Spike Lee has said for a long time that the NYPD behaves like an occupying army

Though subsequent events have perhaps rendered his choice of the word "occupying" ironic.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 08:35 PM

6. Holy crap - he really said that???

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Response to Initech (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 09:15 PM

7. Yes he did, a little while back

I can't recall the context, but the answer gives one pause.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 10:37 PM

8. Now that you mention it MrScorpio I remember that quote

But in a slightly different context it freaks me out...

Thank you for making me think again.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 10:43 PM

9. That's really kinda evil. nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:36 AM

10. Why do we have to pay for his "own" army?

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Response to donheld (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:20 PM

19. There's no draft to take flesh and blood in payment to the overlords, so we have to give them $$$.

Because the war mentality must be maintained, to keep them feeling safe and the masses off balance. Anything else would be sissy. It's worked like a charm for millenia.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:39 AM

11. And this is a response to what threat, exactly?

Is Michael Bloomberg afraid for his life or something from benign and ridiculously compliant OWS protestors?

Seriously?

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Response to Canuckistanian (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 04:44 AM

12. It's not a response

 

It's a plan for the future. When the house of cards that is the American economy collapses, those in control want to remain in control. And have citizens pick up the bill.

It's for our own good...

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 09:45 AM

13. 7th largest? really?

in any case, imho, when push comes to shove, nypd will lose the war.

generalissimo bloomberg. nice ring to it.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:20 AM

14. Yep... K & R !!!




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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:23 AM

15. New York needs to hear this and get rid of this fucking tyrant. /nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:30 AM

16. Was it any better or worse with Giuliani? Or Dinkins? Or Koch? Or Beame?

And will it be any different with Bloomberg's successor?

Whining that America's largest city reasonably has America's largest police force is just that - whining.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:39 AM

17. Once upon a time there was a HUGE difference

between an army and a police force.

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Response to think (Reply #17)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:50 PM

21. Of course there is.

But too many trolls pretending to be Democrats use shit like this - tone-deaf quotes from Bloomberg taken out of context - to forward the fascist RW pro-gun agenda of the NRA.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #21)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:29 PM

22. I don't see any posts about gun control. I see a post about a mayor bragging

about a police force that is so huge it would be the 7th largest army in the world. It's not so much about Bloomberg but rather his "army". The NYPD enforces the law with it's own form of tyranny.

Just one huge example:

Stop-and-Frisk Campaign: About the Issue

The NYPD’s stop-and-frisk practices raise serious concerns over racial profiling, illegal stops and privacy rights. The Department’s own reports on its stop-and-frisk activity confirm what many people in communities of color across the city have long known: The police are stopping hundreds of thousands of law abiding New Yorkers every year, and the vast majority are black and Latino....

~snip~

In 2002, 97,296 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
80,176 were totally innocent (82 percent).

~snip~

In 2011, 685,724 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
605,328 were totally innocent (88 percent).
350,743 were black (53 percent).
223,740 were Latino (34 percent).
61,805 were white (9 percent).
341,581 were aged 14-24 (51 percent).

~snip~

Full post:
http://www.nyclu.org/issues/racial-justice/stop-and-frisk-practices


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Response to baldguy (Reply #21)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:37 PM

24. You just can't STAND that we're winning, can you?

Just because you like to call names doesn't mean that we aren't correct on this issue. I wouldn't have even brought it up if it wasn't for your happy ass.

I am pro-union, pro-woman, pro-science, pro-free speech, pro-gun. I am a Democrat. Maintain.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #24)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 05:35 PM

28. The "we" you're rooting for - and claim to be part of - isn't the Democratic Party.

It never has been.

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Every time a union gets busted - The NRA wins (along with the gun manufacturers they represent).

Every time abortion is outlawed, and every time gender discrimination is legalized - The NRA wins.

Every time gay rights are outlawed - The NRA wins.

Every time funding for science education is cut or eliminated - The NRA wins.

Every time teaching Biblical creationism is made mandatory at the expense of evolutionary science - The NRA wins.

Every time free speech is curtailed - The NRA wins.

Every time hate speech is promoted & the truth is suppressed - The NRA wins.

Every time Fox News goes on the air - The NRA wins.

When the Citizens' United decision was announced - The NRA won.

When Bush was appointed as President - The NRA won.

When Trayvon Martin was gunned down in cold blood and when his murderer George Zimmerman walked free - The NRA won.

Every time a Republican candidate wins, and every time a Democratic candidate loses - The NRA wins.

And every time the NRA wins THE GOP WINS.

The NRA stands against everything you claim to support - except for guns.

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People who reduce everything to a single issue - and consistently support the GOP on that issue over the Democratic Party - are Republicans, no matter what other issues they claim to support.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #28)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 08:00 PM

29. +1 Isn't it amazing the BS people will buy into?

Makes one wonder how many have actually lived in NYC. I lived there through Koch, Dinkins and some Giuliani, went back last year for a while. Loved the city and the city seems to love Bloomberg, at least in Manhattan, and they get to choose. Looks like he is suffering in the polls right now because folk in the outer boroughs think he concentrates too much on Manhattan.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #28)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 01:45 PM

50. Your revisionism regarding this "rational progressive" would be amusing if it wasn't so blatant:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117225999#post11

I'll take rational progressives & Democrats who support reasonable gun control measures - even if they happen to be rich - because they're rational progressives & Democrats! Look at the top of the page, bucko, and discover the board you're posting on.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=26018

14. Like 'reasonable' terror suspect lists? The ones *you* were against before you were for them?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3031131#3032492

baldguy Sun Jan-30-05 09:31 PM

25. People are harassed, investigated & arrested for their political beliefs.

Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 09:34 PM by baldguy
Held anonymously without charge, trial, or communication with the outside world.

The President's press secretary says that people should watch what they say, or else - and the press is too afraid to say anything.

People are prevented from traveling freely because they are on a gov't list....



http://www.democraticunderground.com/117225999#post14


And what has "his" army been doing? Why, investigating people for their political beliefs!- a practice you used to decry...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002461812

NYPD Infiltrated and Spied on Liberal Groups

Last edited Fri Mar 23, 2012, 04:18 PM USA/ET

The AP (via CBS) notes that undercover cops went to liberal political groups' meetings, building intel files on activists and protesters.

The newswire says that interviews and docs collected during the investigation "show how police have used counterterrorism tactics to monitor even lawful activities."

The AP points out that the NYPD used these same tactics in 2004, when the department monitored church, environmental, and anti-war groups in the U.S., claiming these policies were necessary to prep for the GOP convention...

But these methods continued far after the convention took place: in 2008, the NYPD's super-secret intel department sent an undercover officer to attend the People's Summit in New Orleans. The project report gathered information on two U.S. activists, journalist Jordan Flaherty and labor organizer Marisa Franco, the AP notes....

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/03/nypd_spied_on_l.php

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57403085/docs-show-nypd-infiltrated-liberal-groups/?tag=contentMain;contentBody




http://www.democraticunderground.com/101480663

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101481530

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #50)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 07:25 PM

52. Hypocrisy: Claiming to be a Democrat

While supporting the radical RW fascist agenda to the NRA.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #52)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 12:18 PM

54. Hypocrisy *and* revisionism: Claiming a supporter of the Iraq war is a progressive

Let's remind those who forgot (or choose to elide) Mayor Bloomberg's take on the Iraq War:

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4015422

Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-09-08 05:48 PM
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Bloomberg on the Iraq war: some disturbing hints

Buried in a June 23 New York Times piece on Mike Bloomberg receiving a charity award was some interesting reporting on where the mayor stands on the war. Nothing like a nice ground zero photo shoot with Pickles to highlight the patriotic bona fides.

A Mayor Often Ill at Ease, and Usually Muted on Iraq
By Jim Dwyer
June 23, 2007

…In May 2004, a year after the invasion, Mr. Bloomberg served as host to Laura Bush, who had come to New York in an effort to rally support for the war effort. Mrs. Bush visited a memorial for Sept. 11th victims. Standing next to Mrs. Bush, with the Statue of Liberty in the background, Mr. Bloomberg, right, suggested that New Yorkers could find justification for the war at the World Trade Center site, even though no Iraqi is known to have had a hand in the Sept. 11 attacks.

"Don’t forget that the war started not very many blocks from here," he said that day in 2004.


- snip-

… In his speech, Mr. Bloomberg remarked on the sacrifice of soldiers and what he implied was the ingratitude of people opposed to the war.

"We shouldn’t forget that we have young men and women overseas fighting and dying, sadly, so that we can protest," he said. "I sometimes think young protesters don’t realize that their right to protest is not something that they would have elsewhere, and it’s a right that has to be fought for continuously."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/23/nyregion/23about.html?_r=3&oref=regi&ocid=81&incamp=ts:chall_article_trial&headline=A+Mayor+Often+Ill+at+Ease,+and+Usually+Muted+on+Iraq&oref=slogin




Remember these? You should, you wrote 'em:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=987297

baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Jan-05-04 07:36 PM
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Are we safer now that Saddam is in custody?

There are people who acknowledge that Bush lied to America about the Iraq war: lied about Saddam's WMDs, lied about the threat posed by Iraq, lied about the connection to Al Qiada, and lied about the costs involved – both monetarily and in human lives. Yet they still support the war. They say "The overthrow and capture of Saddam Hussein has made America safer and made the world safer. Isn't it better that this homicidal maniac is no longer in power? Isn't it a great step forward in the war on terrorism? Hasn’t Bush made us safer?"

Saddam is now in custody, yes. But, the world is not a safer place. The primary threat from Al Qiada is still there - Bush has done almost nothing to stem the tide of anti-American hatred surging through the Muslim world. Unbelievably, he has even added to it. After the attacks of Sept 11, America had the entire world behind us, willing to support us in nearly anything we did to destroy the Evil Doers that murdered 3000 people. Bush has totally squandered that outpouring of compassion and support. With his arrogance he has alienated our historic allies to the point where they look upon the warnings generated by our intelligence services as a way for the Bush administration to score political points domestically. And they'd be right. For the Bushies there's no distinction between policy and propaganda. The vast array of non-partisan gov't apparatus that has been carefully built up over the last fifty years, which was meant to provide professional, objective analysis on any number of various domestic and foreign areas of expertise. - has been co-opted to solely to support the narrow domestic agenda of the NeoCoservitive-Industrial Complex. And to hell with literally everything else.

Saddam is no longer a threat, yes. But, he wasn't a threat before the invasion. Saddam can no longer hatch plots with Osama. But, he wasn't doing that before the invasion, either. He can no longer indiscriminately murder his people. But, when he was doing that Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr were supporting him; they looked the other way and gave him more arms and money. Also, there have been more Iraqi civilians killed in the last several months since the invasion than in the prior twelve years since the first Gulf war. Iraqi civilians have more to fear from Bush Jr than they did from Saddam.

Bush has been distracted from his primary purpose as Commander-In-Chief - that is to protect American citizens from harm. His main objective as Commander-In-Chief should be to fight the very real terrorist threat which America and the civilized world must face together. But the NeoConservitive-Industrial Complex has other ideas. They've been planning the Iraq War for the last ten years with PNAC. The drums for war were beaten by the Right-Wing media. The fires of hatred for the Arab world were fanned by the "Christian" conservatives. War-profiteering corporations needed a pliable gov’t to involve with their ghoulish trade. The manufacturing of a war fell right in with their needs. And Bush is beholden to all of these groups for his current position....



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4517936

baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-30-05 08:36 PM
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My response to a freepin' LTTE in my local paper.

....My response:

In regards to James F. Cornwell's letter of Aug 30: If Mr Bush wished to protect the America, he would have only attacked those who posed a threat – al Qaeda and their sponsors in Saudi Arabia. He would have enlisted the aid of our best allies - such as France and Germany who have long endured the threat of fundamentalist terrorism. The fact is Mr Bush and his cronies planned on attacking Iraq from the start of his administration, and only needed a reason palatable to ill-informed
Americans and ill-informed media to do so. The attacks of Sept 11 gave him that reason, and Bush has referenced them at every occasion to justify his invasion & continual occupation of Iraq. Even through Saddam Hussein had absolutely nothing nothing nothing to do with Sept 11.

Mr Bush is due for criticism because he has simply failed as a President. His actions threaten the security of the United States. He has ignored the advice of, and demoted, fired or dismissed employees of the federal government and military who, with their vast experience and expertise, had warned him repeatedly of the folly of unnecessarily occupying an Islamic country like Iraq. He coddles our enemies and their supporters. He has alienated the very allies we need to fight the fundamentalist terrorists. And in doing so he has had people investigated, arrested & detained without trial or charge - merely for their political views. Smells like fascism to me.

One can wonder why, if he believes in his Glorious Leader's cause, Mr Cornwell isn't in Iraq serving in uniform instead of ensconced in the relative safety of "liberal" New York University? Or if he and the supporters of the war are willing pay the cost of it themselves (now about $30,000 each)? Or if he believes, as some in the right-wing punditry have stated, that his hosts in New York City behaved as cowards on Sept 11 while they were being attacked - and while Mr Bush failed in his duty to protect them - simply because that city is deemed to be too "liberal"?

The simple, moral and honorable solution to Mr Bush's Iraq Quagmire is to withdraw. We should pay reparations to the Iraqi people for committing the crime of invading their country. (This would be much less costly than occupying the country.) Allow them to employ themselves to rebuild their country - without lining the pockets the Republican middlemen in Halliburton and Bechtel.

As Clarence Page reminded us - a critic of the President once said "Victory means having an exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." If this was true when Gov Bush said it about Pres Clinton's policy in a low-level conflict like Bosnia, it is even more applicable about Pres Bush in a full-blown war like Iraq.


But now, Mayor 0.1% is now a great progressive leader. The term "Molotov-Von Ribbentrop pact" springs to mind...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #54)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 09:30 PM

57. I've never claimed to be a defender of Bloomberg on every policy he supports. He's not a Democrat.

All I care about is that on the one issue of gun control he's correct - and is supported by a consistent majority of New Yorkers, and a consistent majority of Democrats, and logic, morality & the truth.

The fact that rabid RW NRA supporters like you just can't stand that is just icing on the cake.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #57)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 03:07 PM

67. *Ahem*..."I can't speak for GSC, but I'm certainly voting Obama in November."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117222584#post60

friendly_iconoclast
60. I can't speak for GSC, but I'm certainly voting Obama in November.

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Thing is, the President has been more pro-gun in action (as opposed to rhetoric) than Mittens.
So a single-issue pro-gun voter would have to 'go Obama'!


I await your retraction...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #67)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 06:55 PM

68. Romney courts gun-rights group in presidential bid

http://news.yahoo.com/romney-courts-gun-rights-group-presidential-bid-190551661.html

If you support the NRA & guns rights, Romney is your man. When was the last time your NRA endorsed a Democratic Presidential candidate?

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Response to baldguy (Reply #68)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 11:44 PM

83. "My" NRA? Is your search function somehow broken? You seem to have missed this post of mine:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117224594

friendly_iconoclast Sun Mar 25, 2012, 06:10 PM

Question for DUers: Do you hate the NRA so much you'll ally with Michael Bloomberg?

Note: This is a repost from GD, where it was locked. Unsurprisingly there were a few replies in the affirmative

I'll state right off the bat that I'm not thrilled with the NRA personally, because I'm about 90% sure that despite their proclaimed non-
partisan stance, they are in fact a right-wing political movement with a big gun club, like I stated here:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/117222584

"Why I'm not going to rejoin the NRA just yet."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117222584#post50

"No point in donating money to people that piss on the President, while accepting Mitt's AWB."...


Protip: Attempting to rewrite history won't work against those who know how to search...


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Response to baldguy (Reply #28)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 07:39 PM

55. Denial isn't a river in Egypt

And I don't know why you're bringing up the Ehnahrrrreeyyyyyy, since I'm a Democrat and all that.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #55)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 09:24 PM

56. The "we" you're rooting for is the NRA

and the GOP.

Or are your reading comprehension skills that inadequate?

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Response to baldguy (Reply #56)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 09:34 PM

58. I'll be the judge of who I mean by "we," thankyewvarramuch

This is Democratic Underground, not NRA Underground. When the Constitution is upheld, we fucking win.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #58)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 09:40 PM

59. Those who lie down with dogs wake up with fleas.

You're infested.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #59)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 09:44 PM

60. I could just eat you up with a spoon

Have a great night.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #60)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 09:48 PM

61. It's taken you 4 days to reply to my post, and all you've got is lame one-liners.

Nothing of substance to refute what I've posted above.

Of course there's no way to refute it, because all of it is true.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #61)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 09:53 PM

62. There's nothing TO refute in the first place

It all exists only in your world. That's why I haven't felt the need to exert myself.

If you want to chip away at the Bill of Rights, I can't stop you. I'm here to help Democrats get elected, and Democrats only get elected when they honor the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, which we all know the GOP damn sure won't do.

What are your intentions? To get Democrats elected? To preserve American ideals? Those are mine.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #62)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 10:06 PM

64. As long as you support the NRA and it's goals you undermine the Democratic Party.

The two are entirely incomparable - because the NRA is entirely a fascist RW organization that is allied totally with the GOP.

The NRA, the GOP and other RW organizations DO NOT SUPPORT ELECTING DEMOCRATS.

The NRA, the GOP and other RW organizations DO NOT SUPPORT THE BILL OF RIGHTS.

The NRA, the GOP and other RW organizations DO NOT SUPPORT AMERICAN IDEALS.

--

Those are the facts. You can either deal with them, or hide your head in the sand.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #64)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 09:31 AM

66. Why do you keep mentioning the Ehhhnnnahhrrrrayyyyeeeee?

You act as though I were a member of the Ehhhnnnahhrrrrayyyyeeeee or something. Wassamatta with you?

These are the facts, and they are undisputed. Democrats support the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The Second Amendment is part of the Bill of Rights. Therefore, I, as a Democrat, support the Second Amendment. You can kick dirt on home plate and scream about the Ehhhnnnahhrrrrayyyyeeeee all you want, but I formulated my ideas about gun rights without any help from them, thank you very much.

Now go hide your own head in the sand while I keep on - uh, winning?

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Response to derby378 (Reply #66)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 07:08 PM

69. The NRA are you peeps.

"You just can't STAND that we're winning, can you?"

I think this needs to be posted again, since you don't seem to have seen it - or understood it - before:

The "we" you're rooting for - and claim to be part of - isn't the Democratic Party.

It never has been.

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Every time a union gets busted - The NRA wins (along with the gun manufacturers they represent).

Every time abortion is outlawed, and every time gender discrimination is legalized - The NRA wins.

Every time gay rights are outlawed - The NRA wins.

Every time funding for science education is cut or eliminated - The NRA wins.

Every time teaching Biblical creationism is made mandatory at the expense of evolutionary science - The NRA wins.

Every time free speech is curtailed - The NRA wins.

Every time hate speech is promoted & the truth is suppressed - The NRA wins.

Every time Fox News goes on the air - The NRA wins.

When the Citizens' United decision was announced - The NRA won.

When Bush was appointed as President - The NRA won.

When Trayvon Martin was gunned down in cold blood and when his murderer George Zimmerman walked free - The NRA won.

Every time a Republican candidate wins, and every time a Democratic candidate loses - The NRA wins.

And every time the NRA wins THE GOP WINS.

The NRA stands against everything you claim to support - except for guns.

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People who reduce everything to a single issue - and consistently support the GOP on that issue over the Democratic Party - are Republicans, no matter what other issues they claim to support.


If you were honest about you support for guns, you'd be a Romney supporter.
If you were honest about your support for Obama, you'd totally oppose the NRA and all of it's policies.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #69)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 08:26 PM

71. I get it now, believe me...

I am one with the NRA simply because YOU SAY SO. Wow. How could this have eluded me for soooooo long? Especially with you calling me a Republican and all that. And your little quote about Romney shows you how little you know about Romney's actual feelings on gun legislation.

Uh - winning, anyone? Rhymes with "winning."

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Response to derby378 (Reply #71)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 08:40 PM

72. You're the one that claimed "we're winning". I only exposed just who your "we" is.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #72)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 08:40 PM

73. When? (n/t)

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Response to derby378 (Reply #73)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 08:55 PM

76. Being deliberately obtuse doesn't help your cause

And only makes you look more like a conservative Republican.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #76)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 09:03 PM

77. Talk about being obtuse...

You're the one who claims the Ehhhhnnnaahhhhhrrrrrayyyyyyeeeee are my "peeps" without any evidence to back it up.

You're the one who claims I sound like a conservative Republican despite all of my activism to the contrary.

You're the one who wants me to be a conservative Republican so fucking bad you can almost taste it.

Democratic Underground is my peeps. Who the hell are yours?

Here, I'm even going to help you out. Here's an article all about yours truly from 2009:

http://www.dmagazine.com/Home/2009/07/01/A_Liberal_Democrat_Who_Loves_Guns.aspx

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Response to derby378 (Reply #77)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 09:23 PM

78. The GOP, the NRA & their sugar daddies at ALEC are all joined at the hip.

They're fighting your pro-gun battles for you, and their goal is to destroy the Democratic Party.

You can ignore it all you want, pretend it's the opposite, tell lies to yourself, but you can't change the truth.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #78)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 09:30 PM

79. There you go again...

Avoiding the truth at all costs, just so you can prove a point to your little friends at VPC or Brady or whatever.

"Oh, look! Here's ALEC! Let's see you worm out of this one, you fucker!"

Honestly, it's suppertime. Enjoy your evening - I'm chowing down.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #79)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 09:37 PM

81. You can ignore it all you want, pretend it's the opposite, tell lies to yourself

BUT YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE TRUTH!

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Response to baldguy (Reply #81)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 11:54 PM

84. You're right, you can't change the truth: Bloomberg is a crypto-fascist, not a rational progressive.

All your shouting and handwaving aside, there's one turd you can't polish:

Michael Bloomberg is simply a more refined version of Frank Rizzo- Boss Hague writ large. Were it not for his anti-NRA stance, he would be righteously excoriated here. Instead, he gets a free ride from our version of the Clivenden Set.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #84)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 06:37 AM

85. Bloomberg doesn't pretend to be a Democrat.

Unlike the NRA-loving gunners here, who give money & support to the actual fascists there and in the GOP, and ALEC and vote for candidates they endorse, and campaign for & work to defeat Democrats.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #81)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:32 AM

87. And what "truth" is this that you speak of?

All I'm getting from you is opinions and hot air.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #24)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 07:47 PM

53. derby378, thank you for speaking out

from one "I am pro-union, pro-woman, pro-science, pro-free speech, pro-gun. I am a Democrat." woman to another

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Response to derby378 (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 08:44 PM

74. Consider The Company You Have To Keep To Be A Gun Militant "Winner" (n/t)

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Response to Paladin (Reply #74)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 08:48 PM

75. You and I are stuck with each other, whether we like it or not

The most sensible thing to do is make the most of this unlikely arrangement.

I've been a Republican once, and I ain't going back.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #82)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:16 AM

86. Living in your own little fantasy world again, I see...

You only want me to be one so you can properly hate me. Why do you feel the need to have a scapegoat?

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Response to derby378 (Reply #75)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 09:53 AM

88. Within 24 Hours Of Gabby Gifford's Shooting......

...a DU Gun Enthusiast took it upon himself to criticize her legislative record as not being pro-gun enough. I am not remotely "stuck with" someone like that. And that's the sort of company you're keeping.....

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Response to baldguy (Reply #16)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 12:40 PM

46. Seems like every conspiracy theorist is coming out to play

Unbelievable, and I'll bet none of them live in NYC and doubt any have even visited. The city is ten times safer than it was under Koch or Dinkins and obviously 3,000 times safer than it was under Giuliani.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:48 AM

18. Well, he evidently can't fucking count. nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:25 PM

20. Tell me again--how did Bloomberg get elected as NYC mayor?

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:30 PM

23. Okay, not a police state or a plutocracy

so...what does that leave us?

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 02:52 PM

25. What nonsense

Even Bolivia has a larger "army." The NYPD would be something like 60th - it only has about 36,000 people.

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Response to TomClash (Reply #25)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 02:59 PM

26. Even if Bloomberg doesn't...

HE thinks he does.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 03:09 PM

27. Referring to the police as an army does give one pause

But after seeing Rachel Maddow and Richard Engel's documentary Day of Destruction, Decade of War there is no doubt we have a police state now. Not in the near future or far future. Now. And after seeing the violence on the members of Occupy, I don't know who needs any more proof.

Is it all that far fetched to believe that all the police need is an order from their superiors to shoot demonstrators and it'll be done?

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 08:04 PM

30. How about a little context and less propaganda?

The quote is from a speech he gave last November at MIT, in reference to a possiblr run for the White House and how being mayor of NYC qualifies him.
http://www.politicker.com/2011/11/30/mayor-bloomberg-i-have-my-own-army-11-30-11/

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #30)

Mon Apr 9, 2012, 09:37 AM

31. doesn't really matter. the NYPD is not HIS and it is not an ARMY

nt

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Response to tk2kewl (Reply #31)

Mon Apr 9, 2012, 11:11 AM

32. I see, the context doesn't matter, just the flame.

Thought we were above that.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #32)

Mon Apr 9, 2012, 01:14 PM

33. When it comes to using the possessive pronoun "my" to describe his relationship to the police...

in particular and referring to them as an army, as well, I do not think that it was in the context of discussing his fitness as a presidential candidate in any way mitigates his statements. He clearly sees himself as a 1%er with massive power that he thinks he owns, rather than a elected servant of the people of the City of New York.

Since you seem to be concerned about the context of his statements why not let us know how the context effects their meaning.

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Response to tk2kewl (Reply #33)

Mon Apr 9, 2012, 01:27 PM

34. You can parse it any way you like

My wife, my country, my baseball team. Guess what, they are all mine, but I don't own any of them. Discuss the issues and quit slamming the guy for everything that you disagree with. I have issues with Bloomberg, just as I have issues with Obama, but overall, I like them both, even if they are 1%ers. Obama is a good man and a good president. Bloomberg is captain of a huge ship and has done a much better job than any other recent NYC mayor IMO.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #34)

Mon Apr 9, 2012, 01:55 PM

35. > 600,000 warrantless searches per year == not just semantics

imo

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Response to tk2kewl (Reply #35)

Mon Apr 9, 2012, 02:46 PM

36. Enlighten me please

What kind of searches, how were they warrantless? Cite please.

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Response to tk2kewl (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 9, 2012, 03:15 PM

38. Not a good policy IMO

You say Bloomberg initiated that? I couldn't find any reference to him in the link. I'm not surprised it happens anywhere in the US, which is still a deeply racist society. It sure as hell happens in LA.
I have many friends who live in NYC, all Dems of various ethnicities and none have been frisked to my knowledge. Most do live in Manhattan, which does appear to be getting more attention from Bloomberg than the outer boroughs, which seems to be the source of most complaints.
I lived in Alphabet City during the Koch years. Shootings and stabbings daily, junkies and dealers everywhere and nary a cop in sight. Until Feb. 1984 when Koch introduced Operation Pressure Point and we reclaimed our neighborhood. Never heard a gunshot during the next 5 years I lived there. It's even better today, and I think partly thanks to Bloomberg.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #38)

Mon Apr 9, 2012, 04:06 PM

39. no doubt things are dramatically different since the 80s

especially lower east side and hells kitchen. much of the improvement has been due to policing, but i am certainly not in favor of excessive policing. i am not if favor of "stop and frisk" or of "random" bag searches on the subway. I have never been subjected to "stop and frisk" but that is probably because these days i spend my time in NYC as a LI commuter rather than a resident (used to live in hells kitchen and various parts of queens). i have been stopped to have my bag searched when entering the subway and in each of the 3 instances i told the cop "no thanks" and walked to the next nearest subway entrance.

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Response to tk2kewl (Reply #39)

Mon Apr 9, 2012, 06:57 PM

40. How does it make you feel

getting on the subway knowing there are random bag checks? Hardly the shit you have to go through at JFK or any other airport. Unfortunately, NYC has been targeted several times by Al Qaeda Inc.. Makes a lot of sense and a small price to pay. Let's not be naive. Also, this was not a street frisk you refer to and you chose to go elsewhere. I wouldn't be crucifying the mayor for trying to keep his city safe. Would you prefer an armed populace in the city? Because that is what the wingnuts are advocating.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #40)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 11:58 AM

43. the random searches are bs

just as i can say no to a search and decide to get on the subway a block away so could anyone with evil intentions. the searches do nothing to make new york safer from terrorists.

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Response to tk2kewl (Reply #43)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 12:33 PM

45. So what do you suggest? Mandatory searches?

How could you possibly know if they make NYC safer or not. Maybe you're right, maybe not. Apparently 10% turn something up. I think they only search bags, backpacks etc., not body searches, unless the bag turns something up.
Seems to me, the NYPD has kept the city safe for the last decade. So something is working. You say you commute in from LI, do you find a lot of folk in the city complaining?
From what I hear, more people complained about the ground zero mosque and cultural center and Bloomberg's support of it, which I endorse 100%.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #30)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 01:11 PM

48. Bloomberg is just another arrogant businessman

Who is "running against Washington", which seems to be something that is a consistent RW meme. But that isn't surprising considering that he was a Democrat before seeking elective office, then he switched to Republican to get elected, but then he became an Independent. And then changed the laws so he could get re-elected. Bloomberg has proven that like Vladimir Putin, he will change his spots, and the laws as needed, to keep getting elected.

You see, according to Mayor Bloomberg, he and his mayoral colleagues are focused on results. It’s the rest of the politicians who are screwing things up.

“At the state or federal level, that’s where the real problems are. You see it particularly in American government at the moment where they are just unable to do anything, and yet, the mayors of this country still have to deal with the real world,” said Mayor Bloomberg.

Mayor Bloomberg closed by expressing the desire for someone with real, executive experience to arrive on the scene and change things in Washington.

“Unfortunately, people at the federal level or the state level typically spend their whole lives in politics, and they’ve never been an executive and it shows,” Mayor Bloomberg said.


He and the rest of his mayor friends have all the answers, and everyone else is just a dumbass who should STFU, and let THEM run things. That is arrogance beyond belief, and you wonder why people outside NYC don't like the place or Bloomberg?

And wasn't Bush II lauded because he had "real, executive experience"?

Seems like that cover of the The New Yorker from March 29, 1976 View of the World from 9th Avenue still rings really true today.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #48)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 01:15 PM

49. But he's against guns in the hands of the rabble, and makes the trains run safely (and on time).

So he gets lauded as a 'progressive' by some here...

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #48)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 02:15 PM

51. I guess you don't understand NYC politics

Which is not that surprising, coming from such an urban liberal mecca as Ft. Worth.
Why don't you tell us about the lauding of Bush II, as you call him. He was known as Dubya by most around here and I don't recall anyone lauding him, especially for his "executive experience". Maybe you think your current Governor has better "executive experience", LOL. He switched parties too. Many politicians have switched parties, some good, some bad. Many Republican mayors have been better than Democrat mayors, especially in NYC and LA. Businessmen often make good mayors, like Bloomberg and Dick Riordan. Professional politicians and lawyers don't usually do so well on the city level.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 08:03 AM

41. Combining this as advised by the Group Host --- thanks for the lock Krispos.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 12:01 PM

44. AKA Putting the fascism on full-blown display with no attempt to disguise it - n/t

 

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 09:56 PM

63. the police....

 

....aren't 'us' anymore....they are mercenaries working for the tyrants on wall-street....

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 10:08 PM

65. What nerve.

 

The pic puts it all in context.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 07:11 PM

70. And I'll bet they're better equipped than at least one of the top 6

Guaranteed the NYPD could take defeat many of the armies in the bottom 50%

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