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Fri Apr 6, 2012, 03:55 PM

Santorum's little girl has been taken to the hospital.

Story here http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/06/11056965-santorums-ailing-daughter-taken-to-hospital

THat poor little girl. This sounds serious.

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Reply Santorum's little girl has been taken to the hospital. (Original post)
CTyankee Apr 2012 OP
RandySF Apr 2012 #1
uponit7771 Apr 2012 #2
ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2012 #3
RegieRocker Apr 2012 #4
ProdigalJunkMail Apr 2012 #8
Lionessa Apr 2012 #21
LiberalFighter Apr 2012 #39
roguevalley Apr 2012 #66
calimary Apr 2012 #76
roguevalley Apr 2012 #77
Lionessa Apr 2012 #25
LiberalFighter Apr 2012 #42
Lionessa Apr 2012 #43
atreides1 Apr 2012 #6
wandy Apr 2012 #30
Ecumenist Apr 2012 #13
Generic Other Apr 2012 #24
Ecumenist Apr 2012 #26
noiretextatique Apr 2012 #33
Ecumenist Apr 2012 #35
noiretextatique Apr 2012 #41
Arugula Latte Apr 2012 #40
Ecumenist Apr 2012 #46
lpbk2713 Apr 2012 #48
Ecumenist Apr 2012 #59
roguevalley Apr 2012 #69
Lionessa Apr 2012 #44
Ecumenist Apr 2012 #45
Lionessa Apr 2012 #49
Ecumenist Apr 2012 #52
Lionessa Apr 2012 #53
Ecumenist Apr 2012 #55
Lionessa Apr 2012 #60
Ecumenist Apr 2012 #61
Lionessa Apr 2012 #64
roguevalley Apr 2012 #70
roguevalley Apr 2012 #68
Generic Other Apr 2012 #73
Ecumenist Apr 2012 #75
roguevalley Apr 2012 #67
lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #5
nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #7
gateley Apr 2012 #20
bigtree Apr 2012 #9
sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #10
undeterred Apr 2012 #11
kmla Apr 2012 #18
sufrommich Apr 2012 #54
Ecumenist Apr 2012 #62
sakabatou Apr 2012 #12
jwirr Apr 2012 #14
CTyankee Apr 2012 #19
Arkansas Granny Apr 2012 #15
Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #16
WI_DEM Apr 2012 #17
gateley Apr 2012 #22
aint_no_life_nowhere Apr 2012 #23
MinneapolisMatt Apr 2012 #27
handmade34 Apr 2012 #28
CTyankee Apr 2012 #31
KitSileya Apr 2012 #32
RainDog Apr 2012 #29
cali Apr 2012 #34
CTyankee Apr 2012 #36
cali Apr 2012 #38
CTyankee Apr 2012 #57
Ms. Toad Apr 2012 #56
handmade34 Apr 2012 #37
demtenjeep Apr 2012 #71
Bluerthanblue Apr 2012 #47
LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #50
cr8tvlde Apr 2012 #51
steve2470 Apr 2012 #58
Chorophyll Apr 2012 #63
nolabear Apr 2012 #65
TeamsterDem Apr 2012 #72
ColesCountyDem Apr 2012 #74

Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 03:57 PM

1. I'm so sorry to hear this.

I hope she gets well.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 03:57 PM

2. I pray for her speedy recovery

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Response to ChairmanAgnostic (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:00 PM

4. Do you have proof of that?

 

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Response to RegieRocker (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:03 PM

8. it doesn't matter

some people cannot wait to piss on any expression of faith...it is like siren-song to them; they cannot resist it.

sP

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Response to RegieRocker (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:31 PM

21. Here you go.

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12082681/ns/health-heart_health/t/power-prayer-flunks-unusual-test/

I can't believe the above post was hidden, but here's an article of proof, of a truly scientific study of the power of prayer, or lack thereof.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #21)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:04 PM

39. I agree that the post should not had been hidden.

They don't work. There is no factual support. If they did a simple prayer by those close to the individual should be more than enough.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #39)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:06 AM

66. it is typical in a way that a comment about religion should co-opt a thread about a little

girl at death's door. Sad. I hope she recovers and if not, then I hope for peace for the ones who love her.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #66)

Sun Apr 8, 2012, 06:38 PM

76. Poor little thing. I hope she pulls through. She's got a tough life ahead, though.

I too hope for peace for the ones who love her. Nicely said, roguevalley.

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Response to calimary (Reply #76)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 02:11 AM

77. thanks. Its hard to overlook her dad but the little girl is beautiful and ailing. Nothing is worse.

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Response to RegieRocker (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:37 PM

25. Here Harvard says it may actual hurt one's chances.

 

http://web.med.harvard.edu/sites/RELEASES/html/3_31STEP.html


".....Some patients were told they may or may not receive intercessory prayer: complications occurred in 52 percent of those who received prayer (Group 1) versus 51 percent of those who did not receive prayer (Group 2). Complications occurred in 59 percent of patients who were told they would receive prayer (Group 3) versus 52 percent, who also received prayer, but were uncertain of receiving it (Group 1). Major complications and thirty-day mortality were similar across the three groups......"

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #25)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:09 PM

42. If they wanted to have a truly proper scientific study...

they would compare the results of those needing surgery and receiving it and those relying solely on prayer.


But if they were using the study they conducted shouldn't it require patients have the same surgeon. Ability of a surgeon could be enough to be the difference.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #42)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:12 PM

43. Unless each group had a specified surgeon and there was no overlap,

 

I think probably that would not be an underlying issue. But who knows. It is also darn close to a reasonable margin of error being only 7% higher in those that knew they were being prayed over, so I'm more likely to remember it as being nearly a draw, but that even shows that it doesn't help which is all that the poster requested proof of.

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Response to ChairmanAgnostic (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:00 PM

6. Maybe not

But then again, maybe they do.

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:02 PM

30. Prayers work, if you believe in them. If you do not belive....

me for example, you do something else.
Each to their own.
My hopes for the child. All I can give.

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Response to ChairmanAgnostic (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:08 PM

13. I won't even argue with you about whether they work or not BUT one things for sure,

there's nothing to lose by sending good thoughts and prayers.

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Response to Ecumenist (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:35 PM

24. And actually, even placebos work

that's scientific fact. So I am not willing to dismiss the potential power of prayer.

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Response to Generic Other (Reply #24)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:40 PM

26. Generic, I KNOW it works, I shouldn't be here typing this...was diagnosed with

stage 4 cancer and INTERNAL GANGRENE last year. I KNOW IT WORKS!

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Response to Ecumenist (Reply #26)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:24 PM

33. glad you are here

cancer survivor myself...almost 5 years now. i have the utmost respect for people who battle that beast. mine was stage 2 breast cancer, and treatment was minimal. but my little sister died from inflammatory breast cancer in 2006...18 months before i was diagnosed. she was so incredibly brave and fought it to the end. kudos to you, my friend.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #33)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:35 PM

35. Thank you Noir and I'm tickled that you won your battle. I'm sorry to learn that you dear sister

passed over from IBC, now that's a beast and a half. I'n not out of the woods completely but as I tell people, I can see the meadow. I know prayer works and I will never believe anything other than that. If prayer brought me through, ( as we all know, medicine can only do so much), I KNOW prayer can work wonders. Thanks again, Noitextatique!

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Response to Ecumenist (Reply #35)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:07 PM

41. praying for you, sis

i know it works too...saved my sanity, if not my life. you are on my list

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Response to Ecumenist (Reply #26)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:06 PM

40. I'm glad you survived!

However, lots and lots of people with stage 4 cancer pray and have people praying for them, and they don't live. So it doesn't work for them.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #40)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:40 PM

46. Can't explain everything. I know my own experience and the DISMAY of my doctors

I had stage 4 cancer AND gangrene INTERNALLY. So, don't know what to tell you. Perhaps, (God forbid that you EVER have to go through anything like I have had, I would wish it only on the most vile and murderous evil in the history of Humanity), then you'd understand. I know that there are people who had cancer that was nowhere near as serious as mine was and they're gone and I'm still here.

EVERY ONE OF THE DOCTORS on my team said that's the only thing that explains it. That I shouldn't be here and it appears at this point, that my cancer has just "stopped" hasn't grown at all since a scan that was done right after i got out og hospital...LAST FEBRUARY!

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Response to Ecumenist (Reply #46)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:45 PM

48. I'm not going to attempt to explain your recovery one way or the other, Ecumenist.




I'm just glad that you did indeed bounce back.

I always read your posts whenever I see them. I consider you a valuable contributor to DU.





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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #48)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 07:40 PM

59. Thanks Lpbk2713! I just like to talk to people and I don't understand why I'm still here vs

others who had less disease that I had. It hasn't been easy but I know that even according to my doctors, there no medical reason for me to be here in the condition that I am and the only thing that can explain it is for whatever reason. Prayer was the thing that got me over the hump. It's not something I would wish on my worst enemy. Well, maybe my worst enemy thanks again

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #40)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:10 AM

69. This is what I believe as based on a life with a personal near death experience.

we come here with our time laid out. We live our life, learn and then the time comes and we go. some can hang on and change their time. They have things to do and they survive. It could also be that they were supposed to survive whatever because that is part of the learning on their card. You don't die without agreement. Even prayers can't change that. But they can comfort your path ahead. I don't believe prayers sincerely offered are ever wrong. Belief be damned, for me. The universe is so vast and amazing that anything is possible. I will offer prayers to all on this list that have suffered. A meditation on love for you is never wrong.

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Response to Ecumenist (Reply #26)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:15 PM

44. Prayer cured you? No medical assistance at all? WOW!

 

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #44)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:33 PM

45. That's not what I said, Lionessa. I said that medicine can only do so much...EVEN

MY DOCTORS and I had a load of them told my husband that they DID NOT EXPECT ME TO LEAVE HOSPITAL!! At most, I was only supposed to survive to LAST MARCH!! Don't care what you say. I KNOW prayer helped me. My doctors are still shaking their heads.

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Response to Ecumenist (Reply #45)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:47 PM

49. So were you just more worthy than the sister

 

mentioned in the above post to which you responded your sympathy for that poster's loss?

Just curious how you rationalize it helped you and perhaps her, but not her sister? Did more people pray for you, were you more deserving, did God love you better for saving your life or her better because he brought her to heaven.

Please explain, I don't understand the ego behind thinking prayer helped you but didn't help someone else.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #49)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:55 PM

52. Don't where you're going with your "line" of thought. Never said I was more deserving...Get help

NEVER IMPLIED ANY SUPERIORITY. Just expressing my sadness. I'm still fighting this disease, good grief..WHAT THE FUCK DOES EGO HAVE TO DO WITH IT? Did you even read what I was speaking to NOIRTEXATIQUE about.....Wow, You're way out of line..!!!

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Response to Ecumenist (Reply #52)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:56 PM

53. Just trying to understand the rationale behind your being helped and others' not.

 

I'm sorry the concept makes you defensive and uncomfortable. Rational thought often feels that way, though.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #53)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 07:03 PM

55. You know what Lionessa, I NEVER IMPLIED or said anything about being helped vs others

Hopefully, YOU will never have to fight this beast. It's not fun or theoretical. It's not a matter of ego. DO YOU REALLY THINK I WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS? REALLY??!! I was pointing out something to SOMEONE OTHER THAN YOU who understands and NEVER, ONCE SAID ANYTHING THAT WOULD CAUSE ANYONE TO THINK SOMEHOW I WAS BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE.

I get pissed when I'm accused of something I haven't done and it's especially uncomfortable when it's coming from someone I neither know nor was addressing. Believe and think what you want to. I can only speak for myself.

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Response to Ecumenist (Reply #55)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 09:24 PM

60. You may not say it but it appears to be true according to your claim of prayer help

 

while clearly being aware that others didn't respond to prayer help.

Again, terribly sorry being asked analytically critical questions about your belief in prayer and it's supposed help. It helped you, you claim, why didn't it help others'? Why didn't help Santorum's daughter from being cursed with this disease in the first place, I have no doubt they prayed for a healthy child.

So I continue to ask, why does prayer supposedly help you, but not others? Why some but not others? You claim to believe, so please explain this confusing issue? Instead you continue to simply scream about being asked to think and reply. Go figure, and then we wonder why so many atheists feel intellectually superior to believers.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #60)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 10:22 PM

61. You know what Lionessa, I have no problems with Athiests that I have met but there seems to be a

sort of atheist here that seem to delight in being disgustingly obtuse. WHY WOULD YOU ASK ME WHAT I BELIEVE IS GOD's CHOICE? If you don't believe, knock yourself out but I have no obligation to prove anything to you. I know what I've gone through and experienced. Asking me why Isabella Santorum is ill has got to be the most assinine thing I have ever been asked. Why the fuck is what my experience , WHICH HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU, supposed to be able to give me information about a child I DON'T know and have no contact with in any way.

You know, SOME of the Atheists here on DU whine about being hated and I just wonder if some of the disdain has to do with the way you attack people who aren't saying anything to you. The atheists I have met DO NOT GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to be offensive and disrespectful of others objective and subjective experiences. I honestly DON'T care what you think. I know what I feel and believe and you might find yourself in my shoes someday and find that you will have to rethink your position. What's the saying? There's no atheists in a foxhole.

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Response to Ecumenist (Reply #61)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:00 PM

64. A simple question is now an attack? Still no answer.

 

Just more anger and hatred from you. Interesting, and I'm the atheist, go figure.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #60)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:15 AM

70. because some don't make it and some do. That is why. Perhaps it was because in their

life they were supposed to live and learn something about survival, life and death and other concepts and others weren't. Sometimes its that simple.

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Response to Ecumenist (Reply #26)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:07 AM

68. for me, prayers are a meditation on a person that they have health, etc. I feel the energy of

love that I send into the universe matters and helps. Good for you, Ecumenist. I cannot imagine your pain but you have my prayers. I personally know they work. To each his own. When we pass on we will all know the truth.

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Response to Ecumenist (Reply #26)

Sun Apr 8, 2012, 03:51 PM

73. The mind is a higher power

It is the power of suggestion that works in prayer, magic, hypnosis and psychology. I don't know why anyone would deny it.

Glad to hear it worked for you.

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Response to Generic Other (Reply #73)

Sun Apr 8, 2012, 06:29 PM

75. Thank you and Happy Easter, Passover, Sunday and first day of the week!

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Response to Ecumenist (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:06 AM

67. +a million.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:00 PM

5. I hope she's okay.

Get well soon.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:02 PM

7. Hope she gets better

Education momemt, this is what the kid has.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0002626/

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:31 PM

20. Thanks!! nt

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:04 PM

9. best thoughts

for her full and speedy recovery.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:04 PM

10. Trisomy 18 usually is fatal. 90% of children with this genetic disorder

die before or during birth. Bella Santorum has beaten the odds so far. If she survives to be a teenager, it will be a miracle.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:07 PM

11. Life is fatal.

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Response to undeterred (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:28 PM

18. Wow.

I'm overwhelmed by your empathy...

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Response to undeterred (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 07:00 PM

54. It's a little different when it's fatal to a child as opposed to

an aged adult who's lived a full life though, isn't it? Most humans who are capable of empathy understand that.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #54)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 10:24 PM

62. Amen Sufronmich....I hope and pray she's able to defy the medical prognosis

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:08 PM

12. Sending vibes.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:08 PM

14. This explains why he is taking a break from the campaign and at the same time it will give him

a way out. I respect his dedication to that little girl. Hopefully she will make it through this newest crisis.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:28 PM

19. if he had any decency, he would drop out but...

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:15 PM

15. I hope things turn out well for her.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:16 PM

16. Best wishes for the Santorum family N/T

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:17 PM

17. Hoping she will be ok.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:32 PM

22. The poor little thing. Sending love her way. nt

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:33 PM

23. Best wishes for recovery - and I'm glad to see so much humanity here

We're not barbarians here unlike other other unnamed political websites where the children of political figures are attacked whether they are sick or not.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:46 PM

27. Poor thing.

Best wishes.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:50 PM

28. (((sending thoughts)))

no parents should ever have to see their children suffer I hope she is not in pain!

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #28)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:12 PM

31. I was hoping the same thing...

It is beyond sad to think of a little child suffering...

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #28)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:19 PM

32. Those are my thoughts too.

This must be an agonizing time for her and her family, and I hope she will be well again soon, and if that is not possible, that she suffer as little as possible.

Regardless of how much we want everyone to have the same access to health care as the Santorums and their ilk, I cannot be anything but happy that she will be given all possible care. Every child deserves that, no matter their circumstances.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:56 PM

29. best wishes to this family dealing with the stress of a long-term condition

these situations can be really difficult. He's fortunate that he's able to have a private nurse and hospital equipment in their home, but, as we see, even that is not always enough.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:29 PM

34. Of course I wish Bella well but

I can't help but think of all the families who don't have the resources that the Santorums have and that Santorum himself could care less about those families with ill children and lack of resources.

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Response to cali (Reply #34)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:53 PM

36. I like to think that sometimes this kind of experience can change people.

That maybe his stone heart will be moved and he will become a more caring person for those in need of health care, and less caring for people who just want to make money.

But my political motives are irrelevant. There is a sick child here. That right now is all that really matters or should matter.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #36)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:01 PM

38. wait a minute. that there is a sick child here does NOT mean other sick children don't matter at

this moment in time. I can't believe you meant that. And it is not about politics. It's about human suffering. As I said, I wish Bella well, but she is not the only child suffering. I'm glad she has such excellent care. I only wish so many other children who need such care had it.

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Response to cali (Reply #38)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 07:31 PM

57. Oh, I agree with you. It should be there for ALL children. I would hope his heart would open to that

but it seems to me that is just now comes down to caring for Bella. I care for her. I really do. It doesn't mean I don't care for any other child with her condition...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #36)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 07:07 PM

56. He's been there twice,

and his views have not changed.

He lost a son to a bladder condition, and Bella was born (and has been living all her life) with a condition which is nearly always fatal. I do bereavement photography as a volunteer, and we are routinely called in advance to be present for the birth of children with this condition because (if born alive) they are not generally expected to live more than a few hours.

After living with both monumental challenge to the health of his children - with Bella for more than three years, he still seems not to understand that he is one of the lucky ones who has access to both interventional and palliative care.

I would have hoped it would change him politically - but I think that is (at this point) a vain hope.

I do hope for whatever is gentlest for his little Bella.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:55 PM

37. please forget politics for a moment!!!

I wish only the best for this little girl!!

we are a much better society when we can transend some things for a time... this picture is so precious

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #37)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 03:18 AM

71. what a sweet picture

This little girl has had such a hard life in her 3 short years. I pray she doesn't suffer.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:42 PM

47. so sad, wishing her

comfort and healing.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:47 PM

50. Best wishes to her

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:54 PM

51. That photo takes my heart away...and makes Santorum more human

as his love shines out ... even though I abhor his politics.

This is only an opinion, but running for president in an off year with a minority (referring to percentages of voters) political viewpoint, puts immense pressure on the family, his wife, his other children and the little girl, as well. Why? But then I thought, perhaps he needs the campaign money which can, I think, legally pay his home expenses? Maybe it positions him better for a local political job that can pay what it must cost for his family?

Still, very sad and wish them the best.

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Fri Apr 6, 2012, 07:32 PM

58. I hope she gets better soon ! nt

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Fri Apr 6, 2012, 10:26 PM

63. Very sad. I hope she recovers.

And I think her dad should stay home and hang out with her. Sincerely.

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Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:12 PM

65. Poor Little One. Best wishes for her recovery.

Some things transcend.

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Sat Apr 7, 2012, 03:34 AM

72. I pray that she gets well. nt

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Sun Apr 8, 2012, 03:56 PM

74. Poor lamb.

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