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Fri Apr 6, 2012, 03:36 PM

Is it fair to say Zimmerman has MORE hard evidence against him than OJ Simpson did?

Last edited Sat Apr 7, 2012, 07:53 AM - Edit history (1)

If so or it's even close I can see why people, including myself, are up in arms at the very fact that ZMan hasn't been formerly arrested yet.

It's a daily slap in the face


I pray he gets a fair trial and there's some progress is taking down the barriers to changing one of the last bastions of government sanctioned racism in America.

Your take?


Regards

P.S. If you take out the evidence tainted by the racist bastard Furhman (a faux news character) who on the stand had to be caught lying about his ambitions to LITERALLY burn black people alive (yes, he said this) then OJ had NO hard evidence against him even the glove. Furhman fucked that case to hell and back and was the ONLY person formally prosecuted who was involved in that trial

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Reply Is it fair to say Zimmerman has MORE hard evidence against him than OJ Simpson did? (Original post)
uponit7771 Apr 2012 OP
Syrinx Apr 2012 #1
uponit7771 Apr 2012 #2
marybourg Apr 2012 #5
Booster Apr 2012 #6
Recovered Repug Apr 2012 #25
obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #30
vaberella Apr 2012 #3
uponit7771 Apr 2012 #4
pokerfan Apr 2012 #23
cr8tvlde Apr 2012 #11
Liquorice Apr 2012 #24
vaberella Apr 2012 #35
Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #28
obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #31
wandy Apr 2012 #7
Solomon Apr 2012 #8
Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #29
obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #32
Solomon Apr 2012 #33
quinnox Apr 2012 #9
Kaleva Apr 2012 #14
quinnox Apr 2012 #15
Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2012 #22
Kaleva Apr 2012 #10
Solomon Apr 2012 #12
Kalidurga Apr 2012 #13
Kaleva Apr 2012 #17
Kalidurga Apr 2012 #19
Kaleva Apr 2012 #20
uponit7771 Apr 2012 #27
Solomon Apr 2012 #34
cr8tvlde Apr 2012 #16
cali Apr 2012 #18
uponit7771 Apr 2012 #26
JI7 Apr 2012 #21

Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 03:43 PM

1. Simpson had a literal trail of blood leading to him

 

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Response to Syrinx (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 03:47 PM

2. ZMan admitted to shooting a kid who was doing nothing to him too....OJ never admitted anything

Also, there's on a "trail" if you follow the racist ass'd lead investigator Mark Furhman who wanted to Burn Blacks Alive (his words paraphrased) and lied about it on the stand and was the only one sentenced during the whole trial for contempt of court

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Response to Syrinx (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 03:51 PM

5. And didn't have a state-granted

presumption of having killed in self defense which by the same law, attached to him as soon as the act was done, not at trial as most presumptions do.

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Response to Syrinx (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:05 PM

6. How you lose a case like this is beyond me.

4. Blood evidence: (1) killer dropped blood near shoe prints at Bundy, (2) blood dropped at Bundy was of same type as Simpson's (about 0.5% of population would match), (3) Simpson had fresh cuts on left hand on day after murder, (4) blood found in Bronco, (5) blood found in foyer and master bedroom of Simpson home, (5) blood found on Simpson's driveway, (6) blood on socks in OJ's home matched Nicole's.

5. Glove evidence: (1) left glove found at Bundy and right glove found at Simpson residence are Aris Light gloves, size XL, (2) Nicole Brown bought pair of Aris Light XL gloves in 1990 at Bloomingdale's, (3) Simpson wore Aris Light gloves from 1990 to June, 1994.

6. Shoe evidence: (1) shoe prints found at Bundy were from a size 12 Bruno Magli shoe, (2) bloody shoe impression on Bronco carpet is consistent with a Magli shoe, (3) Simpson wore a size 12 shoe.

If I remember correctly the blood on the shoe impression in the Bronco was Nicole's blood. The prosecutors didn't make a big deal of this but, to me, it was a huge deal.

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Response to Booster (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 03:49 AM

25. If the glove don't fit, you must acquit.

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Response to Booster (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 08:16 AM

30. The jury lost the case

And, Darden allowing that stupid glove "fitting" just made it worse.

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 03:48 PM

3. I thought OJ was too stupid to do those murders in all honesty.

I never knew why people thought he could or had the ability to do it. Man is a buffoon. There was way too much displayed in those killings. I do agree with you and his publicists haven't helped the situation either. The problem is that this persecutor is taking their sweet time about this and that is irritating me. I realize they want to do things right. But I have this feeling in the back of my head that Zimmerman will get off because of so much destroyed evidence by the police officers.

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Response to vaberella (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 03:48 PM

4. That's my thinking, they've screwN up enough to the point the guy can't be prosecuted

...with good consious

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 02:13 AM

23. The girlfriend was finally interviewed this week

Of course, last week, Zimmerman's daddy had this to say:

"I don't believe that happened. I don't believe she was on the phone with him, and I find it very strange with the publicity involved... that all of a sudden, after three weeks, someone would remember that they were on the phone."

When she learned about Trayvon she was so distraught she had to be hospitalized. And WTF's this coming forward now bullshit? She's been trying to tell her story since the start. The cops simply weren't interested. Now the defense will probably try to claim that no one can remember the details of a conversation that long ago. Darn it. If she had only come forward sooner.

Of course she remembers it. It's probably seared into her mind.

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Response to vaberella (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:36 PM

11. I watched the entire saga

living in metro California at the time, was not working and was riveted to the TV like many. I was convinced that he was definitely involved, or came upon it, but that he did not tell all he knew and was covering for somebody else. But that he pulled the entire caper off, still have my doubts.

Zimmerman pulled the trigger that resulted in death...admittedly...confessed, with audio and video evidence. But with the SYG laws, the prosecutors have to determine they have likely cause to prove a negative feeling even to arrest him ... that he DID NOT FEEL threatened when he said he DID FEEL threatened. This may be harder to prove than racism. They don't have to prove "whodunit", as in the Simpson case. Yet I don't believe anyone of any race remotely thinks this same situation would have gone down ... from shooting to coverup ... were Mr. Martin a white person.

All of his many interactions with the Sanford Police Department, whether arrests or constantly calling with "suspicious" paranoia numerous times, frankly, make the case that HE DID feel threatened. My guess he may be mentally unstable or retarded and they all know it and just take him home. That would make more sense...given past and current accounts of his behavior. As with many of the SYG trigger-happy folk, he spent his life feeling threatened.

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Response to vaberella (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 02:39 AM

24. OJ is clearly a psychopath and had the ability to do the crimes. He

isn't too bright, and by the crime scene with his blood there, the bloody glove in his yard, the cuts on his hands, the shoe prints, etc., it was obvious he did it. At least it was very obvious to me. What he had, however, was a lot of money and power to hire a dream team that cast doubt on every little aspect of the investigation. But when I look at the evidence and not the theatrics of his lawyers, there is no doubt in my mind that he's guilty.

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Response to Liquorice (Reply #24)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:33 PM

35. The problem for me is that was once his home and he does have access to it.

Especially when he went to see his kids. He was all over the house cause well...it was his house at one point in time. And sorry to say... I don't think his money was enough. There was enough outcry to suggest something else.

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Response to vaberella (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 07:59 AM

28. He was. That's why he left so much evidence behind. nt

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Response to vaberella (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 08:18 AM

31. The crime scene showed a buffoon did it

A better criminal wouldn't have left so much evidence around the crime scene, his personal vehicle, his home, etc.

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:35 PM

7. I don't think that 'evidence' has anything to do with it....

In the very best light OJ Simpson was a lovers quarrel gone bad. A circus with a low speed chase and a police investigation that wouldn't have made it to prime time TV.
What we are seeing with this shooting is something vastly different.
It's almost as if it was contrived for a movie plot. The only problem being that those who wrote the plot didn't come up with a winning story on the first try. As such the plot is continually rewritten until they can sell their 'product'.
Please don't misunderstand me. This is tragic. To have you're life taken away at, what, 17; tragic.
Still what do two lives matter to those wishing to expand their power, or cover their butts.
Is their a deeper plot here?
OK I'll go along with things like Colorado's Make My Day laws.
If something comes creping down the hallway in MY house in the middle of the night what ever happens to it is it's problem. I won't even worry about replacing wall board that got in the line of fire.
But these 'Stand You're Ground' laws. That is in my opinion out of bounds.
Common sense should tell you that it is flight (seek safe harbor) before fight (pull the trigger).
Is the whole point of this to bring us back to the 1850? Draw partner!
Is it an attempt to stir up racial tension?
Keep in mind that some in power can only remain so if they keep everyone else divided and willing to do harm to each other.
It's clear that we will never know the whole story. The evidence is gone and what their was has been altered (video enhancement; my butt) or spun untill the truth can never be told.
I think we should wonder at the motive.
Trials happen in a court of law. NOT Fox or MSNBC.
What are we really looking at here?


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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:07 PM

8. I told my wife when the matter first became public

that if ever there was a case of "mountains of evidence", this was it. Why aren't they calling it?

I watched the entire trial of OJ. Every evening I sat in amazement watching the news and talk shows mislead the public about it. The jury had to scrint their eyes looking thru microscopes for the so-called "mountains of evidence."

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Response to Solomon (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 08:08 AM

29. Evidence of what? That's part of the problem. OJ's trial had mountain of evidence of murder

(maybe 2nd degree). His blood was at the scene, on back fence. He left a glove behind. The other glove was found on his property behind the caretacker's separate little house, where the caretaker had heard someone running and fall against the house. No alibi (OJ was nowhere around while limo driver waited out front for a long time with no one answering OJ's phone while he repeatedly tried to call). Fresh cut on OJ's hand at hotel he went to on his trip that same night. The extra travel pack that OJ got rid of and never produced despite a subpoena. A passerby hearing what sounded like an Af. American male during the killing (yes, sometimes you can tell an Af. American voice, but "racist" claims were made for that evidence to be disregarded by the jury). The pattern of OJ stalking and threatening his ex and his extreme jealousy. The fact that whoever killed her knew she had implants, because they were cut out during or after the murder.

OJ's fleeing after indictment, to avoid arrest, was important because legally, it has the presumption that one is fleeing because he's guilty.

Imprint at the murder scene of shoes that could be determined to be very expensive brand of the kind that OJ had. And OJ's very large shoe size, at well. He no longer had those shoes, but a receipt was produced proving he'd bought shoes that kind and size. Very few people in the country had bought those expensive shoes, so it could be traced.

That's just some of the evidence.

There is no reasonable doubt that OJ is guilty.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #29)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 08:19 AM

32. +1

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #29)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:36 AM

33. Totally ignoring all the planted evidence. the difference

between my opinion and yours: I actually watched the trial; you listened to "news" reports.

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:12 PM

9. I recently looked at the OJ case again, and he might not have done it

 

For a long time, I was in the camp that it was obvious he did it, but if you look at the evidence, there is some legit suspicion some of it was planted or altered. I think OJ was the person who was ultimately responsible, in that he probably paid someone else to actually commit the crime, but had full knowledge of the planned crime, while he may even have accompanied them to the scene.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:44 PM

14. Interesting possible movie plot line

OJ hires someone else to do the murders but plants evidence that makes it appear he did it. Evidence that he knows can be challenged in court. The hired man does the crime and disappears because OJ kills him and dumps the body. The police find the planted evidence, think they got their man and arrest OJ. At the trial, the planted evidence is successfully challenged in court and the defense brings up other evidence that someone else did the crime thus creating reasonable doubt for the jury and OJ is found Not Guilty.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:45 PM

15. yes, it is convoluted for sure

 

but there maybe a possibility that it happened in a fashion close to that.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:47 AM

22. I think OJ was an overwhelming circumstantial case.

Even with the messups on Fuhrman, there was still enough evidence to convict beyond a reasonable doubt.

Oh and remember the 1992 riots over the Rodney King police beating verdict?

There was a little boy who lived in East L.A. where the Koreans and Japanese ran the convenience stores. Those were the only businesses. He is one-quarter japanese and three-quarters Hispanic.

He went off on his tricycle to play, he was seven years old. When he came back to his neighborhood, it was on fire.

Turns out that he is my daughter's oldest friend. The woman I thought was his mother was his aunt. His parents were killed in the L.A. Riots. The kids are 26 now. He graduated from the Ringling School of Art in Sarasota.

he is a brilliant artist now. You never know how a national story will touch you. He did not tell my daughter this until they were in high school about 2002.

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:30 PM

10. What hard evidence shows that Zimmerman isn't covered by the "Stand your ground" law?

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:40 PM

12. You can't be serious!?

Surely you forgot your sarcasm thingy.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:42 PM

13. are you serious?

Lets start with the relationship between Trayvon's home and Zimmerman's home. There was no reason for Zimmerman to be all the way over on the other side of the gated community. If he had been minding his own business it is unlikely that he would have even seen him. Then you can take the lack of a bloody shirt as evidence he was on top of Trayvon when he shot him, not underhim like he claims. Then there is Zimmerman's demeanor not even an hour after the shooting he acts as if he hadn't a care in the world, not like a man that had been in fear for his life. Then there is the admission and the 911 tape where the operator tells him to not follow Trayvon. He does so anyway. Then there was the bus that was called of and no against medical adisory that Zimmerman's skull should be looked at for trauma. How much more evidence do you need that something is wonky in Sanford?

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:01 PM

17. Other evidence

Several witnesses said there were two men struggling on the ground with one man on top of the other. Two witnesses said the man wearing red was on the bottom. Zimmerman was wearing red. One of the police officers on the scene said Zimmeran's back was wet (it had been raining) and there was grass on the back of his head.

Zimmerman was under no obligation to flee and neither was Trayvon. Zimmerman had the right, under the "Stand your ground" law to meet force with force; including using deadly force. So too could have Trayvon. But Trayvon is dead and can't give his side of the story.

Protected by Florida's "Stand your ground" law, the police can't arrest Zimmerman unless they can show this isn't a case of self defense. On a side note, in Florida, Zimmerman can still legally carry a concealed weapon until such time he is arrested and charged with committing a felony.

Edit: The current law in Florida sucks. It's almost medieval.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #17)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 09:10 PM

19. There is zero evidence for Zimmerman.

All we have is his statements and the police statements. Both have been proven to be less than reliable.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #19)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 09:27 PM

20. Well, we don't actually have Zimmerman's statements

Other then thru 2nd hand sources (family, friends, lawyer)

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #19)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 07:54 AM

27. ZMans police statements are evidence that his lawyers are NOT arguing

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:42 AM

34. Jesus h christ. what is wrong wirh people. the kid

was fucking shot in the chest and everbody knows who did it. That's not "hard" evidence to you!!? There's a tape of the murderer chasing the kid, a tape of the 911 call where the kid is screaming for his life before being shot.

This Shit is surreal. Apparently you don't know what the word evidence means.

Zimmerman defenders. Disgusting.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:57 PM

16. Good Question ... Tough to prove negative feelings at one past point in time

as SYG is pretty much based on feelings ... that someone "felt threatened at the time", just happened to have a gun on his person, which resolved his feelings of being threatened. Prove he didn't, even though they have an ear witness of Martin ostensible with an iced tea in one hand and a cell phone in the other, talking and expressing fear of being stalked to his girlfriend and "the phone goes dead". Difference ... the 9mm.

What's Zimmerman going to say, that he didn't feel threatened but just pulled the trigger for the heck of it? He told them he did, they believed him, case closed and everyone but Martin went their way.

Yet, even at the outset after this went national, both legislative authors of the SYG bill said the bill did not apply to this situation. They didn't want to be involved or responsible.

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:02 PM

18. no. there was more evidence against OJ. Not that Zimmerman shouldn't be arrested.

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Response to cali (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 07:50 AM

26. Nope, if you follow the law and take out the racist Furhman evidence that was thrown

...out because Furhman wanted to burn black people alive and it came out during the trial there was NO evidence against OJ

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 09:49 PM

21. how about CAsey Anthony and Scott Peterson ?

the difference in all of these cases is the Race of the Victim.

what if it was a 140 pound female and everything else was the same ?

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