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Fri Apr 6, 2012, 03:35 PM

Speculation: Trayvon and Zimmerman Confrontation...

I was reading this thread:Can we discuss the two minutes between George's 911 call and Trayvon's death

And ran across this post by KansDem The reason why I ask is, whenever I'm carrying objects to a destination, I find myself preoccupied with getting there with those objects intact. That's why I find it hard to believe that Martin attacked Zimmerman. What did he do? Put his Skittles and iced tea down on the ground so he had his hands free to pummel Zimmerman? If things were moving too fast, did he throw them down? Did Martin try to fight Zimmerman why holding onto his recently-purchased items?

What happened to his merchandise?]

I answered here.

Basically the above post got me to thinking. If the undertaker for Trayvon stated that he saw no signs of a struggle on Trayvon's hands or body. And in the video we can see that Zimmerman doesn't seem to have been dealt a hard blow to his body as he claimed to have stated. Or at least his father, his brother, his friend, and his neighbor attested too. Then I really started to think about those things that Trayvon had in his hand.

If I'm being followed and I even make a detour to avoid a guy who I think looks suspicious so I could get home. And then I see the freak in front of me like a horror movie. I would use whatever I got to ward the guy off. Additionally, Trayvon played football at one time. I would assume he's got a good throwing arm and decent aim. What if he threw his iced tea at Zimmerman and it was a direct hit. It's possible it could lead to a broken nose, but most definitely it would lead to a bloody nose. Then I pictured if you get hit in the face you might duck down a bit. What if Trayvon then threw his cellphone at Zimmerman's head. It would fit in line with Zimmerman's injuries.

But it would also suggest that Trayvon was acting in self defense and it would also support the claim he was crying and screaming for help if Zimmerman then pulled out his gun on Trayvon. The kid is sort of trapped. He could run back where he came but the guy came from that direction. Not to mention a gun would sort of freeze me, personally. I don't see myself thinking I could outrun a gun but I would scream for help and plead with the person in front of me not to kill me.

It's just the post above got me thinking---cause really what did happen to those things. It makes me wonder as the poster above where the hell were the items in relation to the crime scene. But I could see evidence like that to support Trayvon being totally contaminated or destroyed by these inept police officers.

More and more I'm figuring that Trayvon used what he used on hand as his defense weapon than actually take on Zimmerman, as Zimmerman claimed and we were focusing on. What if it went down this way?

What do you guys think?

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Reply Speculation: Trayvon and Zimmerman Confrontation... (Original post)
vaberella Apr 2012 OP
uponit7771 Apr 2012 #1
vaberella Apr 2012 #2
izquierdista Apr 2012 #3
vaberella Apr 2012 #4
RDANGELO Apr 2012 #5
vaberella Apr 2012 #8
slackmaster Apr 2012 #6
vaberella Apr 2012 #7
slackmaster Apr 2012 #9
vaberella Apr 2012 #10
Evasporque Apr 2012 #11
vaberella Apr 2012 #12
CAPHAVOC Apr 2012 #13
vaberella Apr 2012 #15
Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #14
vaberella Apr 2012 #16
Solomon Apr 2012 #17
Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #18
mistertrickster Apr 2012 #20
mistertrickster Apr 2012 #21
mistertrickster Apr 2012 #19
mistertrickster Apr 2012 #22

Response to vaberella (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 03:39 PM

1. VERY VERY Good question, since there's no indications that Martin was in a fight ...even unbrused

...hands I think he was shot in cold blood especially when the funeral director is saying there's no clear indication of exit wound.

ZMans an idiot, ...he's Percy from the Green Mile.

I wouldn't doubt this

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 03:44 PM

2. That's what I was thinking. The question was at the bottom but seemed most relevant.

I think we need to see more on this. Too bad there was a freeze on information. I think there is evidence to suggest the boy was shot in the back too. But I see this as a plausible scenario and it explains why the phone as abruptly cut off.

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Response to vaberella (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 03:50 PM

3. I think the kid ignored him.

 

I think he had his phone in one hand up to his head, and the other had the Skittles and the ice tea. I think he was preoccupied talking to his girlfriend and paid no attention to his attacker. I think Zimmerman took this as lack of respect and flew into a rage. Once he had an enraged thug after him, I think it was too late for Trayvon.

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Response to izquierdista (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 03:56 PM

4. Nah. That doesn't jive well, with the 911 call made by Trayvon.

Presumably, Trayvon called 911 after walking away from the guy. But even if he did. The girlfriend already stated that Trayvon saw the guy and thought he was weird. His girlfriend told him to run and he said he wouldn't run. This is corroborated by Zimmerman's own account of the kid looking at him and then running or walking away from him in another direction. Hence Zimmerman running. Then Zimmerman cuts him off on the way to his dad's girlfriend's house. That would freak me out as a person.

I saw this strange person in a car and I walk away fast to avoid him. Then I see the potentially same man in front of me suddenly. I would see him as a problem. Plus your statement doesn't really work with the 40 seconds of screaming for help before the gunshot. That is not a man being ignored.

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Response to vaberella (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 03:57 PM

5. It's going to be a very interesting trial.

Zimmerman came out with his story before he knew about any of the phone records. It's hard to imagine that it all came down the way he said it did in just a couple of minutes. I think it is possible that Martin threw the can of ice tea at Zimm and just ran.

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Response to RDANGELO (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:05 PM

8. Yup and I can see running while screaming.

Good point there. But that also puts the idea of him being shot in the back back as primary entry point which makes this man a 1st degree murderer.

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Response to vaberella (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:01 PM

6. I think that however interesting it is to speculate based on gossip and hearsay, we don't know...

 

...what information that might be admissible in court has been delivered to the state attorney.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:04 PM

7. Aside from the speculation on the confrontation.

Nothing I said was gossip or hearsay. And admittedly you are right. But I think most people will come up with a round of scenarios and thoughts on the events that have already taken place and the information that has been released.

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Response to vaberella (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:09 PM

9. In court, you telling us (the hypothetical jury) what the undertaker said would qualify as hearsay

 

The undertaker himself testifying under oath would be testimony. (Which would no doubt bring a challenge from the defense as to his qualifications to make such a determination.)

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:13 PM

10. Okay then. So the undertaker and my speculation. n/t

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Response to vaberella (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:20 PM

11. My partner said he would of thrown the ice tea first thing....

He grew up in inner St. Louis and said...when it came to street fighting....survival was real and anything was a weapon. I've seen that in my own neighborhood....kids pick up anything to use as a weapon...

I see Zimmerman approach the kid a few words are exchanged as he approaches and Zimmerman pulls his weapon and Trayvon surpises him and throws the tea at him and tries to run, Zimmerman ducks maybe falls and catches him buy reversing around the house where he stops Trayvon...Trayvon pleads with him and Zimmerman is in the death zone...walks slowly towards him and fires KNOWING HE CAN GET AWAY WITH IT.

Or he shot him in the back as he was running away screaming for help upon seeing the gun....


IT WILL ALL DEPEND ON WHERE THE ENTRY AND EXIT WOUNDS ARE....

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Response to Evasporque (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:26 PM

12. This sounds about right.

This is exactly what I was thinking. And I'm from Harlem...ditto on anything being used as a weapon and screaming for help is always paired with it. However, it just makes the story harder to take. Makes you wish one of the neighbors upon hearing the screaming stuck their head out and just said..."Hey!" really loud, and that might have been enough to deter Zimmerman's action and give the boy enough time to run home.

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Response to vaberella (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:09 PM

13. Where were they found?

 

If not at the scene what would that indicate?

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Response to CAPHAVOC (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 07:27 PM

15. It's not about the scene but where were they laying.

Most people are running on the idea that Trayvon phsyically attacked Zimmerman, with his own body. So where did Trayvon put his skittles, drink and cellphone beside him or behind him or did he throw them at Zimmerman? What if Trayvon attacked Zimmerman with what he had on hand, defending himself against Zimmerman. Zimmerman is acting as though Trayvon attacked him with intent. And most people are running on that.

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Response to vaberella (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:42 PM

14. I have a strong feeling that asshole shot the kid in the back

We'll see when the autopsy report comes out....

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 07:27 PM

16. Ditto. n/t

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 07:41 PM

17. I thought so too but the funeral director said he was

shot in the chest.

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Response to Solomon (Reply #17)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 08:37 PM

18. He also said he couldn't determine entry/exit wound

That's doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't shot in the back. Actually, exit wounds look a lot nastier than entry wounds.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:37 AM

20. Usually this is true . . .

 

but with a small caliber (like a .380) handgun at close range, the bullet might pass right through soft tissue and not look much different as an exit wound.

A specialist could tell though, and that's why they need to call one in.

On edit--also, if he were shot from the front but been in a kneeling or prone position, the forensic specialist could probably determine that as well . . . which would be bad for Zimmerman's story that he felt in mortal danger.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #14)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:42 AM

21. Is someone DOING an autopsy this time? nt

 

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Response to vaberella (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:30 AM

19. Key evidence we don't have is from the gun wound.

 

What was the entrance wound and the trajectory of the bullet?

If it is from the victim's back to front, you have an open and shut case of murder. The body needs to be exhumed so a proper forensic analysis can be done.

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Response to vaberella (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:25 PM

22. Here's a graphic interaction showing where Martin was shot.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/02/us/the-events-leading-to-the-shooting-of-trayvon-martin.html

No way does this square with Zimmerman's story that he was climbing back into his truck when Martin attacked him . . . unless the truck were parked on the sidewalk behind the apartment buildings.

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