The bashing of some DUers who have opinions that dont suits mainstream DU global thought must STOP!

[mylye2222]

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5216147

In this thread, a member just asked about a poster whe didn't have seen on boards for a while. It resulted with nice coment, thanks, but also with a wage of hurtfull one. Please folks, we are not at the kindergarden or something. Why this bashing at the topic's member who had been asked for? Just because some disagree with her means they have to trash her? Or maybe because some of the member doesn't share the majority of DUers opinions, maybe......

Please, stay civilized, and keep your snearky remarks for, as example, RWingers....That will be WAY MORE useful.

[LittleBlue]

1. That person antagonizes other DUers constantly

What do you expect?

[BainsBane]

12. How? By posting information you don't like?

I don't recall seeing her make personal attacks, though I acknowlede that I don't read her often.

[LittleBlue]

22. Ask the hundreds of people who have put her on ignore lists

She's on mine because of her volume-posting style. Seeing 30 copy-pasted link dump threads a week of was enough for me.

[BainsBane]

33. So you don't like what she posts

Touch luck. Weren't you among those championing freedom of speech for bigoted words? But somehow a political perspective in support of the Democratic Party is outside the bounds and less worthy than expressing contempt for a majority of the human race?

[LittleBlue]

37. I do

Obviously I had to know what she posted as a reason for putting her on an ignore list. Duh

[BainsBane]

45. That doesn't respond to my point

Looks to me like you misread it.

[hrmjustin]

40. She didn't have hundreds of people ignoring her.

[Puzzledtraveller]

43. Mine too.

[Aerows]

140. To quote another DUer

Word salad with blue link dressing.

[Capt. Obvious]

142. Pfft

Good description.

[Aerows]

146. The truth is the truth

if your cards aren't good, you still have to play it as it lays.

[Bobbie Jo]

184. Oh that's rich.

To quote another DUer, apparently some folks don't read their own material.

[Renew Deal]

194. She also seems to get the most Valentine hearts

And tons of recs.

Since this is all a popularity contest.

[JI7]

31. she doesn't, even when they attack her personally

but that seems to make them even more angry .

[Mojorabbit]

114. That is not true. A simple search will validate that. nt

[mylye2222]

36. I never saw either,

unlike some of the other thread's people who seems to have their favorite targets for bullying.....

[hfojvt]

93. oh she could be pretty snarky

but that's not all that unusual.

For example http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024400678

"This makes no sense"

"Do you even know what you're talking about? Of course not, you called Krugman a liar, and now you're misrepresenting his position."

"The reason you keep making these contradictory claims, confusing yourself, is that the point is nonsensical spin."


But I wouldn't want somebody to compile a list of my own snark and insults either, and she is not the worst offender. Clearly, I did not mind jousting with her too much.

[mylye2222]

96. So.." This makes no sense" is an INSULT now?

Or is it because you was just upset someone disagreed with your position?

[hfojvt]

104. it's one thing for somebody to disagree

it is another thing for them to constantly come back with "nonsense".

Like Snoopy said, you cannot argue with somebody who keeps saying "eau contraire"

You don't think the other two quotes are insulting?

Also, I didn't say I was upset, but simply noted that as an example of somebody being insulting in an argument.

[n2doc]

17. +2 n/t

[HERVEPA]

60. Exactly

[Mojorabbit]

103. Yep. nt

[pnwmom]

136. I've never seen that poster personally attack another DUer.

All the attacks come from others.

[Aerows]

138. Allow me to politely state

that you haven't been looking, then.

[Aerows]

137. + 1 the ignore list exists for a reason n/t

[bobduca]

197. Ignorance of the official spin

is bliss

[hrmjustin]

2. Just so people know my deleted thread was not about her but another poster.

I deleted it after the op asked me why put it there.

[DURHAM D]

18. and clearly the OP didn't/couldn't track

on the issue

[hrmjustin]

122. Huh?

[hrmjustin]

125. Oh you mean are the ppred posters friends angry.

Yes and it got ugly.

[SwampG8r]

172. and again thanks for doing it

it had already outgrown deleting it anyways but you did a good thing there
I came here to respond on this op since its about mine
I had to go to work right after our exchange so I missed a lot of what grew from it
I don't understand how my op turned into such a crime scene but it did
I came here to respond to this op rather than kick up my own by replying there and after replying here I am going to see if a host can just shoot my op in the head
prosense did reply in it that she was still here

[riqster]

181. She's still here? Good!

[BainsBane]

3. I alerted on one of those comments

But it turned out I wasn't the first alerter. I don't read prosense much, but there is no call for those sort of insults. Rather than calling her a shill, they should counter her arguments, if they can.

[tridim]

10. They are bitter because they can't counter her arguments.

She posts facts with citations, therefore she is a nightmare for the DU'ers who built Strawman Obama.

It's not difficult to understand.

[Bobbie Jo]

90. This, exactly.

Been watching the smack downs for years.

[Andy823]

121. +1,000,000

Yep, it's the easiest way out for those who can't respond to her facts.

[zeemike]

95. Now that is funny...and not my experience with her at all.

I have had extended threads with her and it followed the same pattern...she cut and pasted what I said and put it in a excerpt then made a one line reply to the effect I was an Obama hater of something like that and then blue links.
And after a while I learned that it was no use to even respond to her...you got the same thing every time.

But hey, if that is what floats your boat I say fine...let her get to a quarter million post for all I care...I just don't have to take them seriously.

[tridim]

98. Facts, are facts. Always. Good luck. nt

[zeemike]

101. Well what I said was a fact...

I don't keep files on people so I won't give you a link to them.

[Doctor_J]

160. Or are weary because she posts the same 30 links every time, mostly to her own posts

she hasn't had a fresh thought in years.

[FSogol]

4. The person they were discussing wasn't ProSense, it was a banned troll. n/t

[FreakinDJ]

5. So much for the Democrat's Big Tent

Good Bye Feminist, LGBT community, People of Color, New Immigrants ...

[BainsBane]

7. Now I'm confused

I thought this thread was about the comments about prosense.

[mylye2222]

13. It's still don't worry,

Some are just trying to plant a diversion...

[FreakinDJ]

14. It was - but we all need to be less insulting

And more resulting

Offer any opinion other then The DU Click and your immediately accused of being a Tea-Farty spy

Really some folks sense of self importance / impotance is a little out wack

[BainsBane]

15. Fair point.

[mylye2222]

20. Good point.

Idd ad to your previous point: ProSence, like a bunch of other people here, do express they are politically close and loyal to a certaint Former Mass. Sen who is now serving as SoS. The the fashion on the DUclick is to bash him at almost every occasion. Some members do not play this game, and therefore, thay are trashed... Plus the big point you already did: pointing facts. That's not FASHION AND DU MAINSTREAM enough too...

[FreakinDJ]

32. Me and Prosense go both ways

(Get your mind out of the gutter)

Some time we agree, some times we don't. But I never did classify Prosense as anything othe then a Democrat

It would do us all well to try and see things from other people's perspective once and a while

[FSogol]

24. Her link goes to people discussing Q's banning. n/t

[HERVEPA]

61. Well, that makes Nosense.

[WillyT]

6. Yep... The Food Fights Take Up All The Oxygen...

& Rec !!!

[WillowTree]

8. Good luck with that.

[mylye2222]

9. ProSence is a constant and good poster since maybe a decade now.

And unlike someone inplied above, she never harmed others. Some people on the tread I pointed shoud better look into thks to e mirror before attacking others, especially this way. Thanks to you for having alerted. I did to on one comment. The jury voted to leave it. 6-O.

[zipplewrath]

44. She's a shill

I wish there were a better word for a professional poster, but in the end that's what she is. The result of that is that there is a dishonesty to her posting. She posts purely to influence, by any means, instead of being there for the engagement. The engagement is a side effect of her intentions. It has all the honesty of a commercial advertisement.

And even within that, one could effectively make the same point about Grayson (who probably is actually paying someone to post for him). The fundamental difference of course between the two is that Grayson is fairly open about what he is doing.

Finally, Prosense kicks her own posts for exposure and links to her own writings repeatedly, to ensure maximum exposure, as oppose to promoting engagement.

But Skinner says shills are okay around her so that's the law of the land and so it's either ignore, engage, or laugh.

[blm]

49. She's not - you just CLAIM she is. So...why are you trying to smear her?

Some of us know Pro personally and know she is not what YOU claim.

So, are YOU being paid to constantly accuse her of being a shill?

[mylye2222]

73. Bravo blm. Et je commence à en avoir plus qu'assez de ces attaques perfides et presque

quotidiennes contre certain membres de DU! Eh oui, tout cela parce qu'il ne rentrent pas dans le moule de pensée majoritaire de la communauté en ligne! Non seulement c'est stupide et d'un niveau ne dépassant pas l'école maternelle, mais en plus cela va a l'encontre des idées progressives que vous prétendez défendre. De plus j'ajouterai une bonne fois pour toutes que tout ceux qui ont des opinions politiques ou philosophiques différentes des vôtres ne sont pas forcément Républicaines!

Enfin, a l'intention des personnes obsédées par mes fautes de frappe et d'anglais......NE VOUS INQUIETEZ PAS MES ERREURS GRAMMATICALES NE VONT PAS FAIRE LA TERRE S ARRETER DE TOURNER!!!! Simplement, cela démontre vraiment l'étendue réelle de votre prétendue " ouverture d'esprit"

Lamentable, et triste.

[bravenak]

106. Strangely enough, i only got to french 2 but i totally understood this and agree.

Going back to study my french.

[zipplewrath]

76. If I am, I'm over paid

I don't post nearly enough, nor well enough, to be paid.

[blm]

80. And the point being..........

?

[zipplewrath]

83. I'm not a shill

You did ask right?

[blm]

145. and neither is..........

ProSense. Despite the fevered imaginings of some on this board.

[mylye2222]

149. K&R.

They live in a parallek world XD!

[zipplewrath]

164. You can read my other post

This isn't all that important to me, but I did my research some 5 years ago or so. My definition may be vastly more expansive than yours.

[emulatorloo]

152. The Kochs and Crossroads have money to burn.

Might be worth looking into.

[JustAnotherGen]

82. I'm sorry

She's not - I've engaged with her on a non political discourse level. She's a sweetheart.

[zipplewrath]

88. Never said she wasn't

Find the biggest jerk you know, there's probably someone who loves 'em and finds 'em sweet. I'm always struck by people at work who have the general reputation as a major PIA, and then you meet them at the local watering hole and everyone love's em.

And I'm probably guilty of an overly expansive definition of the term and you're probably indulging in a narrow definition.

[Cha]

117. Oh Boo Hoo.. another whiny post about ProSense's ability to get facts on DU.. she

kicks her own threads wah wah wah"

[zipplewrath]

166. Yeah that's it

It has nothing to do with someone who is old enough to rmember that she is violating virtually every rule if acceptable rhetoric that was ever established on USENET.

[pnwmom]

139. Calling someone names and saying that person is dishonest

when they're not even around to defend themselves is a nasty thing to do.

[JaneyVee]

156. Now that you've been debunked...

Maybe you should delete your bs post.

[karynnj]

165. I met Prosense a few times and she is absolutely not a professional poster

I guess you could say your comment is a left handed compliment because no one would say that of someone who posted poorly written or illogical posts. She can't help being extremely intelligent!

The Grayson posts are annoying, but he has the right to have his aides post them. They usually ask for money and are likely a copy of the letters he sends out to his email or snail mail list. I have never seen him respond to comments on them.

As to linking to your own post - if you already wrote something, complete with back up, you would like reuse it in a related thread, that seems an efficient way to do so. Would you be happier if she just cut and pasted the relevant information -- ignoring any conversation the earlier post resulted in?

[zipplewrath]

167. And her tendency

And her tendency to kick her own posts?

Really, one must understand that she violates alot of rules of previous rules of USENET and various bulletin boards to understand where her reputation derives.

[karynnj]

169. Rules of Usenet??? I haven't thought of those days for years!

I have seen many kick there own thread -- not with a simple "kick", but with complaining that no one is addressing an important issue or simply adding new information in response to your earlier post -- even though the current DU lets you just add it to the OP.

I know it was a CONVENTION - I would not call it a "rule" - and it has never been a DU rule.

It makes sense if you post a well researched post and it immediately sinks to kick it at a reasonable time the next day. The worst that happens is that you have an additional thread to skip if you are not interested.

[Capt. Obvious]

178. 20 minutes is about the average wait time

for her kicks.

I'd at least wait for it to hit the second page.

[karynnj]

185. As I have never computed the average wait time and don't think it worth the effort,

I can't dispute your (almost certainly) made up estimate. I really do not think it a major problem - after all if you had already looked at the thread and found it boring, why would you click on it again rather than the many alternative threads?

I think part of the problem is that in DU2, GDP acted as a place, not just for the primaries, the election, or the President, but as a general forum used for a self selected part of DU users. Where I would guess that Obama was the most popular politician on GDP, on GD, the most popular person would have been Kuchinich, Nader, Grayson etc. Politics2014 is not the real equivalent as it really IS more about the upcoming elections (including 2016.).

In DU2, many of us seeing the different population of posters on both forums, intentionally used GDP for any post we wanted to make, I know I did and once tested posting the same thing on both about a SFRC hearing. Neither post was extremely active - not surprisingly as it was not political, but on GDP, there was a discussion of the article, on GD there were simply a few knee jerk attacks before it sunk. I think DU3, intentionally wanted to combine the 2 groups of posters. I don't know if that is the cause, but it does seem that many people who preferred GDP have left, leaving a more to the left board.

[Capt. Obvious]

187. Yes, I did not calculate an average of that time - I observed it.

I remember her kicking one of her threads and I noticed that it had only been drifting for 20 minutes based on the time stamps that accompanied the OP and her, "kick" reply. Pretty simple actually.

Why did I click on the thread again? I never clicked on it the first time but once I saw a reply I was hoping it was someone tearing into her.

What a disappointment that was.

[KittyWampus]

189. Why don't you visit THIS thread and scold the OP'er for kicking his own thread?

Of course we all know why.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5217727

[zipplewrath]

202. Seems a bit of self promotion

It makes sense if you post a well researched post and it immediately sinks to kick it at a reasonable time the next day.

Does seem to be a bit of self promotion. Sort of a "look at me, look at me" attitude.

[KittyWampus]

190. I can think of three much more highly prolific DU'ers who kick their own threads one way or other>

Yet I am absolutely certain you wouldn't have a bad word to say about them.

It's about tolerance and being able to coexist with those who have a slightly differing view.

[zipplewrath]

203. You'd be wrong

I generally find this self kicking stuff to be a bit of narcissism.

[Cha]

170. Thank you for that, karynnj.. it will mean absolutely nothing to those who are stuck in

a corner whining about PS, though. "links, kicks own thread, paid shill " they can't debate her so they whine.. sound familiar?

[snooper2]

201. no, she isn't a far left socialist and that pisses some off here

It's like they think Maduro is going to come save them LOL

[Skittles]

16. maybe the job got to be too hard for her

you mean, like that?

[Marrah_G]

27. I <3 Skittles :)

[blm]

50. You read her wrong, Skit.

Last edited Wed Jul 9, 2014, 06:30 PM - Edit history (1)

It's accuracy that drives her, not a paycheck as some here prefer to claim.

And, I love u 2, Skittles. ; )

[Skittles]

123. sorry

I am suspicious of ANYONE who supports a politician 110%

[blm]

147. She really is motivated by an accuracy-fetish and bothers to do the research

If anything, our party needs MORE like her, and I wish she WAS doing it professionally.

[NuclearDem]

206. I WILL KICK SHILL ACCUSING SKITTLES ASS

[Skittles]

220. or, maybe she got a better job offer

[NuclearDem]

221. Oh now you're just doing it on purpose!

[Skittles]

223. I do hope she is alright, and just taking a break

yes indeed

[AverageJoe90]

19. I'll have to agree with you on this.

It has also happened the other way around, however: that is, the bashing of more mainstream DUers who don't share the opinions of the fringes(including crossing the line straight into trolling). I should know, btw, since, in my experience, I've had this directed towards me more times than I care to count. And honestly, stuff like that really does make the DU experience suck sometimes.

Please, stay civilized, and keep your snearky remarks for, as example, RWingers....That will be WAY MORE useful.

Yes. Yes. This. This times a fucking million,

[JI7]

21. i agree, but i think she just laughs at them and their obsession

how they think it's some huge evil conspiracy that there is someone who comes to an internet forum for democrats and posts pro democratic things.

[Trajan]

34. Pro Obama things, you mean ...

Pro-Obama and Pro-Democratic Party policy positions are not necessarily the same thing ...

I am very Pro Democrat ... I am not Pro-Centrist kinda almost Democrat ...

I have a right to disagree with Pro-Sense ...

[Doctor_J]

92. This is part of the problem

the president is at odds with a majority of Dems wrt corporate health care, corporate schools, TPP, fracking, unions, teachers, domestic spying, and a few other things. Yet people like ProSense and the rest of the BOG conflate anti-right-wing policies with anti-Obama.

[Andy823]

131. Well

Everyone has a right to disagree, but there are those here who do nothing but post "negative" things about the president, and the party in general. Those that fit in that group seem to have their own agenda. If they can't find anything good to post about the president or the party and all they do is bash, bash, bash, maybe they are on the wrong board. This is DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND after all.

[CBGLuthier]

23. Just a souped-up good old-fashioned High School clique.

DU makes me long for the genuine savagery of High School life.

[mylye2222]

25. Exactly. That's why I call it " schoolyard bullying"

[Beaverhausen]

26. yeah, that thread made me sick

This place is NOTHING like it used to be. I used to come here for a refuge from asshole rightwingers. Now there are just a bunch of assholes here, too.

[AverageJoe90]

28. Including many of our resident radfems, I might add. And a certain few others. nt

[bhikkhu]

35. I think we all owe a debt to radical feminism

looking at the advances toward equality over the last few decades, up to and including the recent LGBT breakthroughs. It all started somewhere, and lots of people have put their efforts into keeping the ball rolling.

[AverageJoe90]

39. I think I can see what you're saying.

And, to be totally truthful with you, I don't honestly have a problem with all radical feminists, on the whole. My main beef has only been with those on the Internet who do engage in attacks on people they disagree with, including outright trolling(unfortunately, a certain few on here have been more than guilty of that), and some of the truly wacky individuals out there who make more mainstream feminists look really bad.

Perhaps, however, I now realize it might be a wise idea to find a way to publicly(and not just privately) distinguish those radicals who are good, and those who may not be so much, so some folks may not become confused and get the wrong ideas(truly, I wish I'd realized this earlier!). Any ideas?

[mylye2222]

42. Just look how among those rads is more inclined to

post personal attacks against people they dont share the wiews, and expose them. The High School mood must stop, for everyone's welfare on DU.

[HangOnKids]

47. Thore rads is more inclined?

What?

[R B Garr]

79. Speaking of outright trolling....this thread isn't about feminists,

"radical," "mainstream" or otherwise........

It's about bashing the topic member. So why bring your hangups about feminists into it. Any ideas?

[XemaSab]

110. He's on vacation

n/t

[bettyellen]

111. TBH, I haven't seen that many people derail and pretend to be an ally and take every opportunity to

trash other feminists on one thread while saying they never, TBH- never ever see that exact same thing happening here on another thread five minutes ago, TBH.

TBH, I hope he has a mirror packed for his vacation.

[betsuni]

171. If I see "radfem" one more time...

I will not be responsible for my actions, to be honest. Somebody make it stop ... make it stop .... *rocks back and forth whimpering*
Fringe-far-left-radfems wielding passive-aggressive emoticons will chase me to hell and back in my dreams tonight...

[cyberswede]

64. good grief

Do you really want to stoke a gender-related fire in a thread that specifically criticizes bashing of other DUers?

Oh wait...I bet you're not doing in on purpose.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

113. He actually just pulled his 5th hide just above.

Repeated his 'radfem' accusation, and got himself hidden, and transparency is now open. If I'd noticed that first, I wouldn't have bothered to respond to one of his comments myself.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

112. I have yet to see any 'radfems' on here.

Some feminists, but no radical ones.

[Skittles]

128. guys like that find ALL women threatening

hence, any gal who dares to speak out is a "radfem"

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

134. I

suspect as much as well, but since he picked up his 5th hide just a few hours ago, I guess we won't see any response for a while.

I do think a couple of the feminist posters use more belligerent rhetoric at times than I think is useful, but given the constant provocation and lack of success at hiding some truly insulting posts towards them and women in general, I can understand why they might.

[Skittles]

196. "feminist posters"?

I would hope we are ALL feminists on a progressive board

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

207. I wouldn't hold your breath.

in hoping that. And I know you know the evidence suggests there a lot of folks on this site who are either dismissive of or outright hostile towards female equality.

[redqueen]

214. I'm a radical feminist.

The term describes a feminist whose goals are the end of the gender hierarchy and an end to the common socialization of sexist and misogynist views. These ideas are deeply woven into tradition and society and only by talking about them can we ever hope to raise awareness so that the destructive patterns can be stopped.

Radical, as in - the root.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

215. Well, I guess I was interpreting

'radical' in more the lay usage as it's slung around politically.

In that sense, I wouldn't consider what I've seen you post as radical. Just common sensical.

[redqueen]

216. Yes I thought that might be the case. The new way to say 'feminazi'...

is what it seems like.

I thought I'd take the opportunity to counter the propaganda, as it were.

I'm a proud RadFem and IMO the world would be a lot better off if we had millions more.

[Marrah_G]

29. And I think there are many who don't like the poster who kept quiet.

It's a message board, opinions may vary.

[leftstreet]

30. Thanks for you of policing snearky comments here n/t

[Quantess]

38. I think you meant smarky snears. n/t

[blm]

54. Give it a rest - - she lives in France and English is a second language.

Nice for you to show respect for those of other countries submitting their observations.

[leftstreet]

55. Uh-huh. At least they know to say 'DUers' there in France

Good to know they stay current with the abbreviations and acronyms

[blm]

58. She does - she has been friends with DUers here for a number of years.

That has been clarified in a number of posts here since she began posting. It is why she is even posting here.

Good to know you judge people while showing no tolerance for the facts. If she rewrote her post in perfect French would make a difference to you?

[leftstreet]

59. Mes plus sinceres excuses manquer n/t

[mylye2222]

63. Thanks again for your support blm

Yes, next OP i will begin could be all in French.....Or even in German or Russian why not? I still have some remains of my learning of those two languages....

[blm]

86. Shhhh....don't let them know......

they convinced themselves you are an idiot.

; )

[elehhhhna]

141. Scoldy Cliquerton? is that you?

[blm]

148. yep....

.

[elehhhhna]

161. lol

[Cali_Democrat]

41. Funny thing

The folks saying ghoulish things are pretty much the same folks who always set off my rightwing/libertarian troll detector.

Fuck 'em.

[mylye2222]

48. Yes because, we doesn't agree with the way some member are treated here because they are not

mainstream, therefore we are AUTOMATICELLY given RW labels.....

Yes, because trashing other members is a SOOOO PROGRESSIVE behaviour....

[freshwest]

66. Yup on the 'rightwing/libertarian troll detector.'

[geek tragedy]

157. I know that one of them in that thread

is a hardcore Paulbot who's just clever enough to avoid getting dkf'd.

[Cal Carpenter]

46. I'm sure starting more threads about whatever it is will help it STOP!!1!

[Rex]

51. It happens a lot more then you would think.

Prosense was a very polarizing personality, so it does not surprise me. IOW, some people hated her, some loved her. As you can see in that thread.

[JI7]

68. prosense is still around

just not posting as much right now .

[ChisolmTrailDem]

52. Check out the bashing I'm getting ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5217823

[mylye2222]

57. Ohh, the basher member to you is VERY FAMILIAR

to me and my posting history!

She will never miss any occasion to go after the members pointing truthfull but yet uncovenients facts...especially some showing hard core Clinton supporters in....not their best image.....As long as we disagree with this member, we are all Reps!

[neffernin]

108. I've felt the fury of the extremists before

and have kind of stopped posting as a result.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

109. Yea, it's like a dark and dingy back alley full of thugs around here lately. nt

[BobbyBoring]

144. WTG CTD!

You're batting a 1,000 today!

[ChisolmTrailDem]

153. I heard they were criticizing someone's English whose native languange is French...

[boston bean]

53. I really think that providing another thread where people

can continue to trash talk an active DU member, really defeats the purpose of your OP.

I'm not alerting, I don't really care. Just wanted to point this out.

Trash talking banned trolls is one thing, posting supportive threads that inevitably turn out to be trash talk threads about active DU members is uncool, imho.

[Cryptoad]

65. Carefull ,,,,

you will be on the Papa Paul ignore list! LOL!

[randys1]

56. This thread reminds me of what Will Rogers said

"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat."

[Bluenorthwest]

62. This OP and the one it links to are outside the SOP of General Discussion, they are Meta posts

which whine about DU. I am so sick of people doing this. It makes DU SUCK.

[mylye2222]

67. I disagree: what you calls " whining" is only pointing at disturbing, but real facts,

in a hope to improve the community and restore a way more civilized era I saw while browsing old DU versions.

[leftstreet]

69. Ce n'est pas permis dans GD

GD means 'General Discussion' in case you're not familiar with it

[Bluenorthwest]

74. my post did not use the term 'GD'.

But thanks for playing Let's Make a Meta.

[leftstreet]

75. ??

I wasn't poking fun at your post

I agree with you completely

The OP claims English as a second language and I was helping him/her understand that meta crap is (supposedly) not allowed in GD

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

118. Where does it go?

I thought 'general discussion' was basically for anything that didn't fit neatly in some other group/forum?

[leftstreet]

126. Maybe Ask The Admins ?

I could be wrong, but...there's not supposed to be whining about DU in GD. All whining once belonged in meta. (It was a thing of beauty by the way.) But when meta was axed I don't remember hearing all whining should be now be directed to GD

[Bluenorthwest]

71. You see yourself as being above the rules, which are for the little people, not for you.

I think this gossip, yours and that in the thread to which you link makes DU suck, which is why such gossip is forbidden by the SOP.

[HangOnKids]

91. It is a laugh

follow the posts

[bobduca]

199. aka whining about du

[SidDithers]

154. Yeah, I alerted...

but it was called a "frivolous alert" by more than one member of Das Komitee.

And I'm sure I wasn't the only one to alert.

GD Hosting is a complete and utter disaster.

Sid

[SwampG8r]

174. on my thread?

after seeing what it became I wish they had locked it and I self deleted it and alerted on it myself to get it locked
whatever happened to just being nice? I was just being nice. I noticed she had not posted for several days and I actually hoped to offer support if needed and see if anyone knew where she had gone to. when you see someone everytime you walk down the street you notice when they aren't there and she wasn't there.
very sad

[SidDithers]

175. No, on this thread...nt

Sid

[the_sly_pig]

72. I get it... but

why would you care what anonymous political posters think? I've been flamed by the self righteous and it ain't no thang. You put these same people in a room face to face and we'd see who the real hero's are.

We're not on this site because we all agree.

Don't worry so much.

[randome]

78. At its best, DU is a community.

Infighting in the community is worth pointing out.

Some of the gleeful insults hurled at someone's back show a lack of class, to say the least.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]

[99Forever]

77. I put that one on ignore so long ago I don't remember when.

Perhaps the most obnoxious, self-promoting, self-righteous, know-it-all I have ever encountered on the internet.

[mylye2222]

84. Don't mes YOUR false perception on her with what she is REALLY trying ro do,

witch is just INFORM US and teach us with FACTS and GOOD READS!!!!

[99Forever]

97. Could you try that again in English?

[Marrah_G]

100. You do realize that not everyone has to have the same opinion as you do, right?

You seem pretty angry that not everyone thinks so highly of her as you do.

[mylye2222]

102. Oh, I do realize,

but can't you see that this was no reason to go ofter her like some people did earlier?

[Marrah_G]

107. I think you have to understand that some of these people have been around a long time

and they have different experiences with him/her then you do. The poster has not always been sweetness and light. Also the poster comes across ( or at least used to) as if they worked for Obama and posted endless links to the white house website and her own posts, again filled with links to the white house site. I find the difference between those who like the poster and those who don't correlates pretty closely with those who are critical of the administration and those who are never critical of the administration. I don't know if she is a paid poster or not. To me it doesn't make a difference. Those who want to read her stuff can and those who don't...can ignore them.

I've had the poster on ignore for years. Mostly I forget they exist....until a post like this comes up. I ignored the thread you are complaining about. I ended up posting in this one because of how personally you are taking this. So you like her, so others don't. It's a message board. People have different views and different experiences.

[frylock]

94. i put that poster(s) on ignore after the incessant Ron Paul posts in 2012

[Marrah_G]

99. I did the same

I enjoyed DU a lot more after that.

[Oilwellian]

129. I did as well...one of two I have on ignore

Although I do find it amusing when I sometimes create an OP and the first response I see is comment number seven.

[MissDeeds]

177. +10000 n/t

[LondonReign2]

209. But you have to admire

the George Bush level of never, ever, under any circumstances, admitting she might be even the teensiest bit wrong about anything ever.

[99Forever]

224. No I don't.

Nor did I admire that in Chimpy McFlightsuit.

[wyldwolf]

81. IMO, the jury system has made DU a cesspool of ..

... of incivility. For a while I wasn't paying attention - I'd do the jury service but generally ignore the results email. When I started looking I was amazed at what people are getting away with saying to others now. Slams that that used to get deleted or even someone suspended or banned are just 'left alone.'

... But whatever.

[BillZBubb]

150. Can't agree

I remember before juries, like before the 2008 primaries, there were plenty of things said about other posters as bad, if not worse than now. It was the wild west.

Back then, if your post was reported the decision and repercussions were pretty arbitrary and you never got feedback on why. I had that happen to me, I was essentially banned from posting, not because I was attacking any other poster but because I made a statement that denounced an Israeli military operation. So, I like the jury system.

[mylye2222]

105. Exactly. La Pensée Unique.

One single correct ideology. The dissenters have to bow at it, or leave.....

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

124. That's quite a strong statement about how much DU is changing

from someone whose account is 2 days old. Did your last account get banned for not 'swallowing' 'the koRreKt idEologIkal thought forms'?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

133. My comment was in reply to the poster above you,

who made the comment about the site swirling down the drain. After signing up 2 days ago and making 18 whole posts on the site since then.

[G_j]

132. what?

with 19 posts, you know this?

[Doctor_J]

87. You should probably use your ignore list

and let the monkeys fling poo at each other. I don't think that part of DU will change until after the 2016 nominees have been chosen

[malaise]

115. +1,000 n/t

[izzybeans]

116. She doesn't post in Twitter speak so it confuses people

They erupt with O'Reillyesque rage for being asked to read more than 170 characters at a time.

#ifonlyshepostedhashtagsinstead

[PasadenaTrudy]

143. 140 characters...n/t

[Capt. Obvious]

120. The teeth gnashing over people not liking her

Last edited Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:26 PM - Edit history (1)

is fucking laughable.

Let her lie in the bed she made.

[neverforget]

158. that and she's been gone 6 days. the horror!

Who cares? People go on vacation, take a break from DU, etc. The obsession over 1 poster is absurd. She'll be back prolifically posting like usual soon I'm sure.

[elleng]

130. Yes. Thanks.

[Aerows]

135. If you are trying to stir up sentiment

for a person that just about half of DU has on ignore, it probably isn't going to work.

[KittyWampus]

191. Half of DU? Or just mainly the members of your chosen clique. I am pretty sure it isn't half of DU.

But I could see if ones clique had someone on ignore it would seem like a larger percentage of DU's membership.

It's a matter of tolerance, IMO.

Some DU'ers are really intolerant and the absurd thing is they spend an inordinate amount of time calling others "authoritarian".

[bobduca]

200. What's important is that everyone line up

and be categorized.

[LondonReign2]

208. the absurd thing is they spend an inordinate amount of time calling others "authoritarian".

As opposed to PaulBots, eh?

[KG]

151. I lulzed

[Hippo_Tron]

155. What's mainstream DU global thought?

[Squinch]

225. Mylye's opinion.

[emsimon33]

159. I agree! If you disagree, then either don't respond or be civil in your response and DO NOT

get into an endless loop of back-and-forths that go nowhere. You are not going to change someone else's mind if their belief is strongly held. And avoid the gender discussions at all costs. Just walk away and move on to a post where your input will be valued.

[bigwillq]

162. Oh, is the DU fighting each other again!?!?!11`1

[Aerows]

163. She isn't banned or PPRed

Not sure what this thread is about. She's free to post here, and people are free to ignore her posts.

[A HERETIC I AM]

168. It just gets my schlepples all a flipgant when a relative newbie scolds the community.

It makes me all kerphluffle. Particularly when the scolding is so grammatically correct, with proper syntax and all!

I need a peanut butter and marshmallow sandwich now.

[JustAnotherGen]

180. mylye joins us from France

How many Americans could post as well as the OP does at a French Based/Founded online community? Or any non English based community?

Probably very few. Just thought I would clue you in that this is not a native English speaker/writer but we have the jewel in our hands of insight into foreign affairs from an average every day citizen in another country.

I'll take the grammar and syntax for the insight and life experience.

[Capt. Obvious]

182. From a small village in France

[JustAnotherGen]

186. I don't get it?

Is that Jane Curtin?

[Capt. Obvious]

188. I know I'm old

but they made a movie based on this in the 90's

[HangOnKids]

205. There was insight into foreign affairs?

Shit I must have missed that.

[JustAnotherGen]

210. I guess I'm not like you

I appreciate mylye's insight on issues that he/she has shared with us since joining. You must not have seen their posts?


These two posts are why my husband will never have an account here.

He reads a great deal.

But in spite of the fact that he has mastery of 3 languages other than English and his native language - he's still weakest at WRITING English.

And I bet mylye probably has MORE than just English and French . . . they aren't backwards in Europe like we Americans are. They understand the world is bigger than just them. I've had some great experiences is France but I don't have that typical American arrogance so they treat me well. Yes - you can say I welcome this poster. They are a breath of fresh air!

[mylye2222]

211. Thanks a lot for being supportive!

And yes, you are right. I can speak and read, although I can barely write, German. And I can speak a little, and read also, Russian. I learned German for four years while in High school, and one year of Russian, through a year as an adult foreign languages' student.

[JustAnotherGen]

212. Your welcome -

I'm not surprised.

My 20 year old Niece in Italy speaks Italian, English, Portuguese and French.

Mastered them all. And now at university she's learning Chinese.

She's prepared for how the world will be in 40 years. We just don't have that focus on languages in the US. And across the political spectrum from time to time you see 'sneering' at those who at least try.

It's different in France - I'm a polyglot but can only have two languages at a time. When I was relearning French and dropping Spanish - the people in the South were so lovely and appreciative that at least I TRIED. And very patient - especially in Nice!

[mylye2222]

213. Yes, I remember all the ugly RW critics

back in 2004 about Kerry speaking French, and even about his wife being a nuturlizied American citizen. Despicable. Some hard core critics even did the same with Romney ( although I do not like him of course, those critics about anyone speaking other than English is nasty,)

[HangOnKids]

217. I Have A Star And Can Search

So yes, I have seen his/her posts. Anything else?

[JustAnotherGen]

218. Nope just

Hugs and sunshine!

[Chan790]

193. Comme c'est vrai!

J'ai le Fluff et Jif ici.

Il obtient mes yarbles quand newbs me faire la leçon sur le décorum trop.

[SwampG8r]

173. that op in the link was mine

I self deleted it to discourage any more replies
I wish I had not posted it
I alerted on it to the admins to get it locked and if there is a penalty I will take it
if any host of GD is reading this please lock it
I plead guilty to whatever you need me to confess to to have it locked
I am ashamed of a lot of us tonight
when an expression of concern for a fellow human being is treated in that way
much less a Du member

jesus I don't have the words

[AngryOldDem]

176. It's the Internetz.

Where civility and polite discussion aren't required, nor expected, but DU **has** changed on both counts.

As I said, it's the 'Netz.

[Squinch]

179. Way to keep the thread, which you objected to, alive!

[genwah]

183. Forget it. This place is a bucket of crabs.

[SomethingFishy]

222. Splitters!

[genwah]

226. Yep. People with, perhaps, one common goal, that follow each other around from

discussion to discussion, following real and imagined slights. So many threads here are hijacked by arguments from I don't know how long ago. There was some squabble over a boob picture, or something that made it impossible to talk about Hillary in 2016. Which brings me to my personal pet peeve, who the FUCK CARES about 2016? Hillary could be hit by a bus TOMORROW, kids!

We still have today. Hobby Lobby protests, (Hey knit a uterus for Hobby Lobby!) and we wtill have November 2014. Remember?

[KittyWampus]

192. Prosense has more support on DU than some would have us believe. Not everyone agrees

with her point of view, but many DU'ers RESPECT her and are willing to TOLERATE her.

I don't always agree with her point of view but appreciate her efforts.

What i just realized is that a "shout-out" thread I started for her a while back was LOCKED by a GD Host. Even though many other shout-out theads occur on DU on a semi-regular basis. Very interesting.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023191825

[mylye2222]

195. you are right

The way that supporting threads towards her had become just shown how a MINORITY CLIQUE can hurt a whole community with their badhing and juvénile little games. Glad you are back Prosense.

[TBF]

198. She's ok -

I'll admit I made fun of the blue links at first but I had a good conversation with her regarding single payer. I talked about Medicare for all and she said she thought it would be easier to go in the direction of Tricare (the healthcare for those in the military) which made a lot of sense. Obviously no way for any of us to know if she's a paid poster or just a committed dem, but she definitely is a wealth of information.

[redqueen]

219. Interesting indeed. nt

[Hekate]

228. Good grief -- your shout-out got locked? WTF is going on here? for the record...

... I myself read only a fraction of what she posts, but imo she performs a most valuable service to DU and I always give a KnR.

[redstatebluegirl]

204. It feels more like a small town High School to me..

[Beacool]

227. Well, that went well.

Good try, though.