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We are living in an era when the very idea of public education is under attack, as are teachers' unions and the teaching profession. Let's be clear: these attacks and the power amassed behind them are unprecedented in American history. Sure, there have always been critics of public schools, of teachers, and of unions. But never before has there been a serious and sustained effort to defund public education, to turn public money over to unaccountable private hands, and to weaken and eliminate collective bargaining wherever it still exists. And this effort is not only well-coordinated but funded by billionaires who have grown wealthy in a free market and can't see any need for regulation or unions or public schools.
In the past, Democratic administrations and Democratic members of Congress could be counted on to support public education and to fight privatization. In the past, Democrats supported unions, which they saw as a dependable and significant part of their base.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/07/02
mia
(8,360 posts)This should be part of the Democratic Party Platform "Statement of Principles".
I wonder which party will support public education first.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)I admit that I haven't been following her record on education.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)...it'll die of loneliness.
More warmed-over corporate "reform" mush.
George II
(67,782 posts)mia
(8,360 posts)Thank for your reply. Here's an interesting website about the Democratic Party platforms.
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=78283
From 2008: We will promote innovation within our public schoolsbecause research shows that resources alone will not create the schools that we need to help our children succeed. We need to adapt curricula and the school calendar to the needs of the 21st Century; reform the schools of education that produce most of our teachers; promote public charter schools that are accountable; and streamline the certification process for those with valuable skills who want to shift careers and teach.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)The teachers will not have a friend. Nor will the public schools.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Only those from the far-left are public school supporters? Can't agree with that.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)That is what he supports. I am not the far left, by the standards of an uncorrupted political system. Centrism is not the same is the middle of political spectrum. It describes a right wing democrat. Generally a member of "The Third Way," "The New Democrats," or "The Hamilton Project." They support Charter Schools, Union Busting, Teach to Test, what is called "Free Trade" or eliminating all labor and environmental laws, that bother business, "Social Security" privatization, and bailing out Banks. They are bank rolled heavily by Wall Street and Tech Ceos.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)and their standards the Democratic standards...all others swept aside and called the "Professional left" or the far left...
Triangulation is used because it works.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)testing, more to the point the weight given to standardized testing fuels the fire of that failure of a policy.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)I think that is quite a stretch, myself
daleanime
(17,796 posts)TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)do the job more expensively!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Until a majority of the American people are against public education and public school teachers it is not a centrist position.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)The Centrist label was always meant to confuse moderates. It was meant to make Washington's corporatists sound more moderate than they really are.
kickysnana
(3,908 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)Oh I forget you are trying to eliminate them in favor annontments, so we have no choice but to elect a centrist.
Just asked you a question.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)should run for office?
daleanime
(17,796 posts)OP is upset that teachers are getting little to no support from the White House.
Your response (question LOL) is to wonder if Rmoney would be an improvement.
The idea of supporting and running a candidate who supports education as a means of improving the lives of americans is a apparently a nonstarter for you. WTF
There's a bogey man over there, don't think about improving any thing, just desperately cling to what little you have.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)n/t
LOL
daleanime
(17,796 posts)ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)I think Hitler would have been even worse than Romney too. Kinda low bar you got there.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)The bar wasn't set by me!!!!
That said, if we had a democratic controlled congress I think Obama could get a lot more done for public education, don't you?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)What in the world makes you think congress selected Duncan? The logic would be amusing if I didn't think you were being serious.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)And never says a word.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)These are his policies. Nothing would have been different.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Yes folks we now have a growing for profit education industry K-12 and they intend to protect the profit and grow the industry...the Politicians work for them not us.
Privatization has become like a cancer on our society and culture, and there is a cure but it requires surgery.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)the height the republicans are under.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)WTF?
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)"That was the choice we had!"
Right, so the fact that Romney would have been even worse excuses Obama for shitty policies??
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)have the right define themselves and push themselves right up next to it maintaining just enough distance to say the other guys would be worse.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)n/t
George II
(67,782 posts)"Under Obamas framework, teachers with weak ratings tied to student achievement could lose their jobs, while high ratings could mean bigger paychecks."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/rethinking-the-classroom-obamas-overhaul-of-public-education/2012/09/20/a5459346-e171-11e1-ae7f-d2a13e249eb2_story.html
haele
(12,647 posts)"Teachers with weak ratings tied to student achievement could lose their jobs, while high ratings could mean bigger paychecks"
That's a scam. In the business world, where "pay performance" is the mantra, there's never any money for bigger paychecks for the regular worker bees who do a good job except for the handful of star performers that are on track for management or are good PR for the company. Other than that, anyone who's not an administrator or a shareholder doesn't see any sort of revenue.
Teachers are being set up to be drones who, unlike workers in manufacturing and other services, are not in control of the quality of their output.
Good teachers will never be rewarded. Good teachers will be treated like fungible employees. Even the lucky few who get enough"district teacher of the year" awards are in danger of falling due to the nature of difference between one incoming class and another.
A reliable, good teacher can be statistically turned into a poor performer if in one year, there is one seriously disruptive student (or parent) that can't be shuffled off to another teacher, a sudden influx of students who are not ready for the grade level being taught, a poor learning program pushed by the school administration or school board, budget cuts increasing class sizes and creating deep cuts in resources available to the teacher just to teach, a bully administrator - the list goes on and on. I've seen examples of "teachers of the year" three or four years in a row turn into a "low performing teacher" getting a poor performance rating and the first "warning" (precursor to termination) if there is no improvement at the end of the next year's class.
I've heard of good teachers being set up to be fired as poor teachers because a parent with power didn't like the way their "precious angel" was treated when the teacher wouldn't give that angel's lazy privileged ass a high enough passing grade. Or if there was a personal conflict with an administrator.
Expecting a highly educated teacher who's usually in debt of $50K to $90K in student loans for that education to then wade through the muck that is modern "bottom line investment" education in the US while telling him or her that "you aren't professionals like your administrators, you're just service workers; most of you aren't really even good enough for more than median skilled labor wage" does not make for a highly motivated teacher over the long run.
It makes for discouraged workers who wonder after five or six years of trying to teach why the hell they spent all that time and money and effort to be valued, treated, and respected at the same level as sanitation workers or the clerical staff at the city administration building.
While the public sees "Poor teachers and burn-outs" are gotten rid of, they don't see what turned someone who was dedicated enough to go through at least 4 years of college and yearly continuing education to turn into that poor teacher or the burn-out.
Teachers aren't "service workers", no more than Firemen, Doctors, or FEMA workers are. They are skilled professionals doing a critical job. While there should be some performance standards to be maintained, predicating it on yearly "student acheivement metrics" is not the way to do that.
It's like grading a doctor on how many patients s/he has that are still under treatement (what, they didn't just magically get better by visiting the doctor?), or a fireman on how many structures couldn't be saved when s/he went out on the call over any given year.
Haele
George II
(67,782 posts)....not a poor rating over a period of time, like five years.
No teacher is going to lose his or her job or get downgraded simply because one year there is a disruptive student or an incoming class not ready for the grade level being taught. And if the latter is the case, I'm guessing that the teachers in the grade before the one in question weren't very good? If there's a situation where a class isn't ready to be promoted but is, their promotion is the fault of the teachers of the previous grade, not the one inheriting the class. And what do we do with the teachers with entire classes of students not prepared to move up to the next grade, but do anyway?
But, if a teacher has poor performing students for say a three or five year period, one really can't blame the students or the teachers of the previous grade. Then it would be time to look at that teacher's performance, not the students'.
haele
(12,647 posts)And how the people involved in the business of education view the importance of teachers in the process.
Every year, the teacher gets evaluated. Unless a teacher has tenure, which is getting rarer, the teacher can find himself or herself without a contract at the drop of the hat at the end of any one school year for pretty much any reason the administration can find cause for. Because of the outcry over teacher's unions "protecting that one bad teacher" - that one bad teacher in perhaps the twenty average or even good teachers who were being harassed into quitting and being fired on trumped up personal issues, unions have been neutered - heck, my father was a retired teacher, and he said that by 1992, the NEA and AFT were basically useless in doing anything more to protect teachers than not giving away too many concessions to administration and the local school boards every time a contract came up.
Over the past ten years, a growing number of teachers that have been entering the field have found they need to look for a new position or a new school to teach at within five to seven years. Somehow, just before they can get the protection of vesting or tenure.
The older teachers with tenure - the ones who might get the grace of a three to five year performance review, are finding that as schools are "consolidating", becoming charter schools, or closing, they're being pushed out for graduates or TFA teachers because their position just "disappeared".
The stress to be a teacher is enormous.
As for your point of "a three to five year period of failing students" - the reality poor performance of students can just as easily be linked to the local economics and population changes as it could be to teacher performance.
I'm assuming from your icon that you are in Canada, and perhaps you haven't seen the amount of school closings, students experiencing transfers between public schools to charter schools, then back to public schools that are happening in most lower income areas.
A huge chunk of the population of the US experienced a significant income drop suddenly five years ago. A large number of people lost their homes and jobs, and have had to move multiple times chasing work. There are still a lot of people have not recovered from this economic shock, and their children are still feeling the pinch. Small towns are still dying, and there are still clusters of depression in larger towns and cities.
There is often a resource war between students and school district resources that have very little to do with the teacher.
When a child is hungry, requiring medical or mental health, or school is the only "structure" in his or her life because s/he is left to his/her own devices for a significant period of time after it is over, that child isn't going to have the impedes to learn.
If a child was basically neglected for the first five or six years of his or her life, that child is going to have difficulty with school unless there is an intervention of some sort.
Children like this are usually identified as IEP within the first five years of school, and most school districts really don't want to work with students that have IEPs; shuffling them off to any number of cheap "trouble kid" warehouse programs - special education or schools that are basically a "time out" facility where the teachers are given only enough resources to be security guards, until they find the occasional program that might actually work for one specific student, or until the children drop out and off the radar. Guess where most of those under-funded schools are located?
We experienced this with my troubled stepdaughter after we got custody of at the age of 13. We dragged her kicking and screaming through regular school, special classes, gifted classes, two IEPs, Charter Schools (and that was a f'n waste of two years) until we finally got her to graduate with a diploma at the age of 20. We had to get a lawyer to get the school district to pay for the private school that had partnered with the district IEP programs for non-gangster kids with behavioral problems.
The problems she had were never her teachers - most of them liked her and she only had one teacher who was a burn-out and didn't try to help her as much as they were able. She was smart, but she had a focus and memory problem - lost books and forgot or never turned in homework even after she completed it. She just sort of got lost in the overcrowded classes, and since she had PTSD from the treatment her mom put her through, she would just give up after a few weeks once she started falling behind.
It was always at the administration side - "there wasn't enough resources", or "the vice principle mis-filed her records" or "she was so smart - she just had to try harder", or "well, we can see you're trying as hard as you can, but you need to pay for a tutor and a therapist, or pay more attention to her, or spend more time making sure she's doing her homework, or, or, or".
Here's the reality in most school districts that don't have a wealthy tax base to support it (like most big-city public schools). If an elementary school teacher begins any number of school years with 45 or 50 children in a classroom built for 30 children, and by the time the year is half over - by January - there are at least an additional 5 in number s/he has to try to teach with the resources s/he got in August/September, and at least half the class has been transferred to or from a different school or teacher with a different class syllabus. Those children have to be brought up to the level of the original class, and that will definitely have an affect on the class "performance" by the end of the year.
If the average teacher is supposed to be "Superman/woman" to the majority of his or her class just to be considered "good" by the school administration, then the average teacher will never be respected as a good teacher.
Oh, BTW - in the US, teachers or former teachers do not hold the majority of school administration positions. Those are held by people with "Management" degrees, who are far more interested in "resource management", and "budget" than they are in the actual service the school is supposed to provide. Educational "Quality" has a price tag to most school administration.
Interestingly enough, when a teacher does manage to make it into administration, the school tends to see a higher budget expenditures than those schools that come in "on budget", but they tend to have lower paid administrators, better class sizes, more happier, relaxed teachers, and shift their budget resources so that there is significantly more arts, after school and tutoring programs, and parental/family involvement programs than schools that are not run by teachers.
And they have better overall student outcomes, which means they magically have better "teacher performance".
But then, again, schools like this cost more. And usually don't last very long after the school board gets through with it, because the programs that work are "a waste of taxpayer money" because it takes time to collect student improvement metrics.
Which means School Administrators and other educational program "investor shareholders" aren't making as much money and the local business community can't garner as much financial "goodwill" by sponsoring the latest whiz-bang tech learning package that Gates Foundation, LearnZillion, or Leap-Frog is pushing to replace those expensive unionized teachers, field trips, and basic classroom infrastructure.
Teachers are not a valued commodity in the education business. But teachers will always get the blame when the business fails, because the policy makers and the budget weenies can never be at fault. What is the saying? A good mechanic never blames his or her tools?
Haele
theaocp
(4,236 posts)Thanks for taking the time to clearly spell out the issues we educators deal with all the time. It is noted and appreciated. Cheers.
wcast
(595 posts)Under PA's new teacher evaluation law, you don't even have to score failing to be considered failing as student test scores account for 1/2 of all teachers evaluations, including the students you don't even teach. There are 4 levels: distinguished, proficient, needs improvement, and failing. First two you are golden. Getting 1 needs improvement means you are still okay but if you get one more in a 10 year period, you are then considered failing. I teach special education students. 35% of my evaluation will come from my special education students tests and elective SLO scores with 15% come from building scores. It is easy for me to see how I could somehow earn two needs improvements in 10 years solely because of student test scores.
The problems in education have little to do with ineffective teachers or their pedagogy and a lot to do with their poverty level and how their families and peers view education. Any student who wants to come to any school and learn can do so. If there are whole classes that are not prepared for the next grade it is because of many factors, the very least of which is the classroom teacher. Even in the California Vergara lawsuit, the made up number of ineffective teachers was still only between one and two percent. A bigger problem is lack of funding or inability to hire certified teachers who want to teach in the poorest and roughest schools in our nation.
dsc
(52,155 posts)and Mr. Duncan recently had praise for a ruling which did, in fact, end tenure, then yes it will be a year to year thing.
George II
(67,782 posts)dsc
(52,155 posts)is offer states bribes to change their regulation of teachers. He also is quite capable of speaking out and in point of fact did, to support the defacto elimination of tenure.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)conservaphobe
(1,284 posts)President Obama himself.
progressoid
(49,978 posts)betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)Turn all public schools into charters, and replace them with Teach For America Temps. That isn't a friend.
conservaphobe
(1,284 posts)I just don't subscribe to them.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I am just beginning to rant.
His sec of ed treats public school teachers with scorn.
They never appear at public schools, only charter schools.
Obama is bringing Bush's reforms, which are Newt Gingrich's reforms....to fruition.
He is not giving an inch to career teachers. Not a damn inch.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)And when a democratic president does it we should be shocked.
But I guess we have been conditioned to it...and there is a lot of Koch money out there to be had.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)The propaganda is damned dishonest.
truth2power
(8,219 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)The goals are corporatization, privatization, and profit. Again. And at the expense of all of us.
It's way past time to reject the propaganda and the mindless wagon circling. Nothing gets fixed until we are clear about the real problem.
The real problem is corporate money corrupting the system, choosing our candidates, rigging elections and policy. The real problem is that corporate money deluging the system now has both parties working for corporate interests instead of the interests of the American people.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)an entire shit load.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)senseandsensibility
(17,000 posts)Oh, some may try. But they have no facts on their side. I am seeing what is happening to public education first hand. It breaks my heart.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)we are well past the stage where the administration's goals are in doubt.
There is the reality of this administration's corporate agenda, versus brazen, absurd, or propaganda-driven denial of that reality.
We need to reject the constant bids to argue about *whether* it is happening, and figure out what to do to stop it.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)n/t
ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)n/t
ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)vi5
(13,305 posts)jopacaco
(133 posts)I thought that things were bad during the Bush administration but Obama is far worse as far as education goes. Arne Duncan just plain hates public schools. Just wait until schools start getting results back from the developmentally inappropriate Smarter Balanced tests, we will hear how horrible we all are, overpaid and underworked. Now the NAEP test is going to be used to assess special education students. Something for which it is not designed. It just keeps getting worse.
I really would like to someday have a chance to vote for a real Democrat who cared about workers and students more than corporations.
wcast
(595 posts)For education alone I don't think it much would have mattered if Obama or Romney were elected. Race to the Top is even worse than NCLB. Duncan could just as easily been tapped by Romney or Bush as Obama. I wish I could say things will get better but I don't think they will. As a special education teacher I can't believe it is still thought we don't teach with rigor. While we have to take into account students' learning abilities, they are still assessed on the same tests here in PA and under the new PA evaluation system, 1/2 of my teaching evaluation is based on test scores, no matter what growth the students make or their ability level.
merrily
(45,251 posts)world wide wally
(21,740 posts)every way.
However, I have also been a public school teacher for 21 years and when it comes to Obama's education policies, he has had head as far up his ass as anyone else that's had his job for the past 40 years. (thinking back to Carter).
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)who can not be outsourced or downsized will have their wages and benefits under attack. Capitalism run amok.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Maybe his head is up his ass...but it is such an important issue...
Arnie Duncan/Obama? Close basketball buddies? Probably closet friend he has in Administration?
Is this why he remains loyal to him?
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)There is sooooo much $$$$ flowing in to the ( ha-ha-ha) "political process" from the school "reform" industry that all bets are off and traditional alliances are effectively kaput.
Some wing-nut governors and legislatures are sensibly and responsibly opting out of "reform" whereas establishment DEMs are signing-on to get in on the gravy train.
This being the case.... all bets are off, far as I'm concerned.
K and R for the header and bookmarking to read this later.