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Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:34 PM

Hey "some" men of DU

if you feel the need to down play the Hobby Lobby decision
if you feel the need to think righteous anger is "hair on fire"
if you feel the need to diminish the righteous anger by pointing out condoms aren't covered by insurance
if you feel the need to point out that it's only 4 types of contraception that aren't covered (which in fact is an out and out lie)
if you feel the need to say that women can still pay extra for their contraception therefore no rights are infringed upon
if you feel the need to call women who are concerned and angry over the decision hysterical

Kindly go fuck yourself.

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Response to undeterred (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 01:44 PM

150. BOSTON BEAN! I LOVE YOU! HUGS!

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:39 PM

3. they're allowing our health car to be a wedge issue, which encourages RW voters to show up....

they are fucking the Dem party up worse then nyone, by standing on the sidelines.
Fucking idiots.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 03:22 PM

162. No what the five Justices did was to re-unite the base of voters who are

Left of the Republican party.

Pew Survey results Poll asking how an individual sees themselves)

Spring 2008:

I consider myself a Democratic Party loyalist -- 36% of the voters

I consider myself a Republican Party loyalist -- 22 to 24% of the voters

All the rest - 42 to 4o% of all voters.

Almost same identical stats were compiled by a Gallup poll last Autumn.

So if you unite that 36% of all voters to those in the majority (the 40 to 42% of all voters) assuming that the 40 to 42% is not all libertarians, then the Democratic party should have a shoe in. If people GOTV.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:41 PM

4. There are guys saying that?

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Response to boston bean (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:43 PM

6. What clueless pricks. They obviously can't see it's a slippery slope.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 01:03 AM

70. and a few suggesting topless protests are great, but boycotts bad.

they are complete assholes who re just here to mock women, and not afraid to show it anymore.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #70)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 05:14 AM

77. Agree! Just saw a few posts too. Total morons.

Discriminate against one sector of the populace and it's then permissible to discriminate against others.

I just directed my company never to buy anything from Hobby Lobby. Don't think it will help in the big picture, but it's damn satisfying.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #77)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:43 AM

86. They are Conservatives. Each and every one of them.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #86)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 05:36 PM

211. they are not fooling anyone, and have taken over the hosts' forum and dragged DU

into the fucking mud. Libertarians can post RW shit with impunity, and feminists get degraded here- by hosts. Because Skinner never thought they would game the system.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #211)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 11:30 AM

289. He could fix that, if he wanted to.

They really have gamed the system. It's a damn shame to see it like this. There are too many out and out conservatives controlling this site. It's a shame that Democrats don't have anywhere to go online where we are not gerrymandered. It's the same concept, really.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #289)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 11:37 AM

291. exactly- at this point, posters are emboldened to suggest Obama resign, and women show their tits?

And the stupid tits suggestion was from a host, who is openly hostile to women here. Not one host said a thing.
They should just resign instead of being part of the degradation here.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #291)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 02:29 PM

306. I have not seen any indication that

skinner even knows DU has a problem.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #306)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 02:56 PM

311. I hate to think he enjoys the extra clicks. But that "educate them" directive is bullshit.

I think he is hard pressed to admit the entire system is gamed by libertarians and childish trolls.
Great sites have actual moderation- but he has allowed the hosts to opt out of all responsibility. At some points Earl G was locking more threads. Juries seem to be doing their work for them these days.

Alerters- I am just discussing the discussion here. Not whining, but stating the god's honest truth.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #306)

Fri Jul 4, 2014, 07:35 AM

336. If he doesn't know it, he must have worked awfully hard to avoid knowing it.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #70)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 08:24 AM

103. Those moron topless posts have to be from women haters. nt

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #70)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 04:30 PM

166. WTF????

There were actually dicks that said that?

And they're not banned?

What? The? Fucking? FUCK?


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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #172)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 04:47 PM

174. what. the. FUCK????????????

Are there links to this shit? Like I need my head to explode...........

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #175)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 04:52 PM

176. I saw a topless post but assumed it was from a Woman so I jokingly said yeah...

but I now see the bullshit behind it, sorry

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Response to randys1 (Reply #176)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 05:38 PM

212. I was surprised you went long with it, because you are usually awesome..... But you know what-

you can sill edit that post. Because we're being trolled by women haters and we;d be grateful if dudes stopped laughing about life and death shit like our reproductive choice. I feel incredibly unwelcome here these days.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #212)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 05:41 PM

214. It was a total fluke on my part, i can try and find it, i thought it was a lib Woman

saying it...i will try and find it but it may be tough

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #175)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:37 PM

228. I guess it's all just a big joke to that one...

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #174)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 05:39 PM

213. Courtesy of the hosts, yeah- *some* of them make fun of feminists all the time.

Last edited Thu Jul 3, 2014, 05:37 PM - Edit history (1)

And most others look the other way.
So much for community anything these days. Juries are a safer bet.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #213)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 07:56 PM

240. I'm not sure about juries....

But I'm willing to see improvements, if there are any.

That would be nice, to see an increase in the number of people who reject misogynist behavior. It would mean "women's issues" are coming out of the hushed shadows.

The dirty, smelly, weak, stupid, girly, prudish, "no one would want to fuck you anyway", "doesn't affect me", "but what about my unlimited access to sex" shadows.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #213)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 05:32 PM

321. You mean in the host forum? Openly make fun of feminists?

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Response to Squinch (Reply #321)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 05:36 PM

322. I mean they come out in GD and post "show us your tits" and they call us a "group" in hosts that

can safely be ignored. and pretty much the others say nothing, leave the "tits" thread, ignore the bias.
I should edit to say "some" , the others only look the other way.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #322)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 05:41 PM

323. That's, actually, not surprising. It's beginning to feel like whack-a-mole here with the thinly

disguised conservatives stampeding through every thread. That some of them are hosts was inevitable.

I keep thinking DU can't get uglier with respect to it's tolerance for degrading statements about women and its welcoming of anti-feminist trolls. I keep being proven wrong. It's beginning to feel like a silly form of masochism to post here.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 07:02 AM

87. Ya, hence this response of mine that I thought might earn me my first hide in a while...

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #87)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 07:12 AM

91. oh, ffs. what a total asshole.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #87)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 08:27 AM

105. Good cartoon. I put that OP on Ignore.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #87)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 09:21 AM

112. thank you for taking one for the team, Steve. The anti feminist alerters are rough here.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 03:42 PM

163. Yeah. I pointed out one of them in a new thread and

My thread was locked because it was a "call-out". I was just trying to send lots of DUers over to hammer him.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 04:42 PM

171. Here's another dude telling us wimminfolk to simmer down and not get all outragey:

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #171)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 04:45 PM

173. Quoting Freddy.. "turned out to be media manipulation of the left wing." Just wow....

Blathering away like abortion clinic shootings never happen.....

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #171)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 05:02 PM

181. So sick of those folks. so sick

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:44 PM

7. Yikes!

I would like to think that at least the great majority of non-troll men here are wholly aghast at the truly obnoxious HL "ruling." I suspect most of us can't help but feel remorse that the tool-kit for a male wanting to limit the chance of pregnancy is so sparse. We should be able to agree that we are in this together, sister. That is certainly my position. This was an absolutely awful paternalistic SC call by a largely out-of-touch a-legalistic RC-dominated court.

But I suspect I am a bit of a naf on this.

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Response to The Roux Comes First (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:57 PM

17. I know I was horrified by this.

 

But I suspect I am a bit of a naf on this.


I don't think so, TBH. There definitely do seem to be a few who really don't get the slippery slope thing, though.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:45 PM

8. So let it be written, so let it be done

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:49 PM

9. Amen (from an agnostic)

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:52 PM

10. Very very very few men of DU feel that way.

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Response to HERVEPA (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:54 PM

11. Therefore the qualifier of 'some'.

There are enough of them to be very noticeable.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 07:12 AM

92. For clarification - why is some in quotations?

Generally when I see that I believe that it is included facetiously - the implication is that the opposite is meant. But that doesn't seem to be the case here.

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #92)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 07:13 AM

93. right.

I was meant to add emphasis.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #93)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 07:18 AM

95. Thank you for clarifying. nt

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Response to HERVEPA (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:54 PM

12. It's sad that any do. nt

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Response to HERVEPA (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:56 PM

14. I've seen a few his-terical posts from them

Not much though

Although even one can produce a lot of controversy and get said poster a lot of attention

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #14)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:40 PM

38. I prefer the term...

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Response to excringency (Reply #38)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 02:28 PM

152. Welcome to DU, excringency!

Glad you're here! Either way, the point is made. I think there are all kinds of directions we should try to follow, in fighting this. How 'bout let's go after that damn religious protection law that's being stretched all outta shape and is now playing center stage in the Unintended Consequences Theater. Let's go after the Hyde Amendment. Let's partner EVERY bill that involves ANY curtailment of contraceptive coverage - with a corresponding curtailment of Viagra coverage. Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander. This door swings both ways and we should absolutely help it do precisely that! We have to SHOW them how it hurts them, too, and how draconian approaches like this, which they assume only puts more controls on women, smacks them in the ass too.

Taste of their own medicine. See how they like it. Being nice and trying to reason with them sure doesn't work. Perhaps it's time to try a different approach.

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Response to HERVEPA (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:12 PM

22. Agreed. Almost all DU men know this situation is an equality issue for them as much as for women.

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Response to HERVEPA (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:41 PM

39. Good to know.

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Response to HERVEPA (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 4, 2014, 07:42 AM

337. But those that do are among the most vocal and there are more of them every day.

And as bettyellen has pointed out, they are a force within the hosting group. They are steering the direction of the site, whether most men agree with them or not.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:56 PM

15. *Raises voice in agreement*

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:57 PM

16. You ladies need to put all of this energy into baking us dudes a pie.

I kid... I kid...

I don't even like pie.

"Some" men of DU can truly go fuck themselves.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #16)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:33 PM

31. I WILL KICK PIE-JOKING ONEHANDLE ASS

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:04 PM

18. First let me make it clear that I am not one of those "some" men........

If I may, let me bring up something that "some" men may not have thought about.

It's as important to you as it is to her.

Now fellows go sit quietly somewhere and think about that.
If you don't see the logic in that you might ought to do what the lady suggested.
Likely all by your little self.

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Response to wandy (Reply #18)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:39 PM

37. You get a huge hug here and now.

wandy.

You got. You got it all!

"It's as important to you as it is to her."


Thank you. You got what so many did not!

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Response to wandy (Reply #18)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 08:50 AM

107. "It's as important to you as it is to her"

And even if it weren't, empathy should be one of our greatest strengths.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:11 PM

21. For me, the HL decision just keeps sinking deeper and deeper in. Stunning. And then to have to fight

...about it here with people ("some" men and at least one woman) who have no intention of changing their minds ...

Well, thank you for the sentiment, boston bean.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:15 PM

23. Someone had to say it!

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:16 PM

25. I agree. The decision is atrocious, and not too surprisingly it breaks on ideological lines.

Points up the importance of winning presidential elections. No difference my ass.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:17 PM

26. Thanks for the post. It's a timely reminder to men about "jokes."



A few minutes ago, a lawyer friend of mine retracted his "jokey" post about it on FB after I'd made the case that that snark is insidious, women are snark weary and not putting up with it anymore, and how men need to recognize that this decision is also a harbinger of the fascism they'll be living under, as well, if this wannabe theocratic oligarchy gets its way. It took another male friend posting, "Yeah, this is bullshit" for him to delete the post.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:17 PM

27. We all need to be pissed about the Hobby Lobby decision

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:20 PM

28. I think the women of DU are reacting very normally to the decision

The decision effectively disenfranchises women of valuable insurance coverage and of equal rights, and opens the Pandora's Box to many ways greedy RW corporations can evade pesky laws pertaining to sexism, racism, homophobia, etc.

Which "religions" are valid ? What's a sincerely held belief that's being burdened by the state ? Can privately held companies now legally pay women much less than men because of....Leviticus or some such nonsense ? Can PHC now refuse to hire PoC because of some nonsense in the Old Testament ?

Justice Ginsberg hit the nail on the freaking head. I'm with you, DU ladies.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:22 PM

29. Thank YOU!

And if there are any DU men who feel that way (and I know a lot of you do not, so we are not speaking to you - we know you support us and we very much appreciate you!) please do not condescend to us by making us feel like we are over re-acting to this decision because it it is something that affects our lives very much.

We are hurt and upset by this. Please try to understand. Thank You!

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:32 PM

30. THANK YOU

sick of idiots like that who JUST.DO.NOT.F***ING.GET.IT.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:33 PM

32. Its really too bad that a statement like that would be required on this site.

It is a god damn shame when you think we have been all over these grounds. People have already fought and died for rights such as choice, voting, and gay freedoms. FREEDOM. Only to find ourselves back at the starting point.

I can't say I am surprised though. We are up against some nasty and vindictive and soulless people. The reason I am not surprised is that in the last 8 years, for every gain made, some shitty vindictive payback from their side has happened. Remember that shit in California on the night this country elected its first Black President. And fox was getting off on blaming Black People for a Mormon sponsored initiative. Just as vindictive as you could possibly be. Now gay marriage is nearly the law of the land, and what happens? A vindictive attack on choice.

Now we have professional trolls on this board intellectualizing hate, and calling it discourse. Just remember fuckers, you may win your little victories, but you know and we know, you are going to lose the revolution.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:37 PM

34. Jury results:

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

I understand the sentiment, but go fuck yourself is a violation. Disruptive, hurtful, rude, OTT, and otherwise inappropriate. Please, we don't need this disruptive META in GD. Please hide.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Jul 1, 2014, 08:34 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Fuck that, alerter. This site has been subjected to so much misogynist bullshit since DU 3 started, much of it left to stand by juries, and lately it has increased noticeably. It is only right to let women fight back. Fair is fair.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Have absolutely no problem with this post.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It needed to be said, I am glad it hot said, and there is no way in hell I would vote to hide this. Here's to you boston bean :clapping:
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Methinks the alerter doth protest too much. Hey, alerter, are you one of those "some men"?
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Under most circumstances, I'd vote to hide. But this is a response to blatant sexism. Recommend that the poster herself edit last line.
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Response to Tanuki (Reply #34)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:52 PM

43. I especially love the first juror's

comment infused with righteous anger! It's been truly shocking to me, as a gal, the level of outright and blatant misogyny and sexism here the past few years and the numbers of men coming out openly against feminism, claiming that DV is as bad, if not worse, for men, that men have it worse because of false accusations, that all the privileges now go to women, etc., etc. Some openly call child support "male enslavement", claim women's very real fears of being raped or assaulted to be hysterical overreaction, etc., etc. I could go on and on. And all of that shit is allowed to stand by juries. They see nonexistent misandry EVERYWHERE, but, to them, there's no such thing as sexism and women have it made in the shade. They can say what they want about women and no one is allowed to challenge them and if they do then they must be a bitter feminazi. But let a poster here tell the truth about them and they're screaming misandry, misandry, alertalertalert. And I am fucking SICK TO DEATH of it. I've been on here for eleven years, and this place didn't used to be like this at all nor did it tolerate this bullshit.

And why is it that almost every single thread devoted to discussing some aspect of sexism is derailed by posters asking "what about this or that ism, that's just as important", such threads are almost NEVER allowed to fully and completely just discuss sexism. And anyone who complains about that is just a bitter, man-hating sexist who's out to get men. GAH.

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Response to liberalhistorian (Reply #43)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:09 PM

49. so with you, and the OP.

Right on, goddammit.

Great jury result, there too. Finally, more people are seeing through these dickbrains that pollute this site.

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #49)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:34 AM

82. Love your Cat Gif...

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Response to trumad (Reply #82)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 09:44 AM

120. lol!!! thanks!

He cracks me up all the time too

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Response to liberalhistorian (Reply #43)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 04:44 AM

74. +1000

I could not agree with this more.

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Response to liberalhistorian (Reply #43)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:38 AM

83. Thank you for stating this!

It's the righteous truth of the matter.

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Response to Tanuki (Reply #34)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:04 PM

46. Dear Juror #7 = I agree. Last line needs editing. Please delete the word :Kindly:

Thank you for your cooperation.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #46)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 12:57 AM

69. That's what I thought, too

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Response to Tanuki (Reply #34)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:15 PM

50. The DU Jury system is fucked.

Time to require that alerters and jurors be star members.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #50)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 05:03 PM

182. How about using rightwing court punishment on alerters

i.e.

you alert on someone and if your alerting is found to be whiney or right wingy, you get a strike

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Response to Tanuki (Reply #34)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 09:04 AM

109. LOL. Looks like this jury voted to nullify...

Women need to be able to fight back. She wasn't telling anyone specific to 'f' himself, after all. It was a general comment aimed at 'those men' who don't think the HL decision was a big deal.

It was a big deal though - another skirmish in the ultra-right's war against women.

The idea that women shouldn't be equal is pretty ingrained in our culture, though. My wife and I watched a documentary yesterday that was about some books that didn't make it into the Torah or Bible. Specifically, the documentary told the story of Lilith, who was made side by side with Adam, equal. When she refused to submit to Adam, Lilith was driven away with the threat that 100 of her children would by killed by God each day she continued to refuse to submit (I guess the Judeo-Christian God is a misogynist too). Then, God, regretting that he made Lilith equal to Adam decided to make woman submissive, and Eve was made out of Adam's rib.

So there it is; completely INGRAINED in our culture. Inequality is even in our creation myths.

This is why our government must KEEP US FREE FROM RELIGION.

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Response to Tanuki (Reply #34)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:18 AM

125. That's a very pleasant surprise eom

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:38 PM

35. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Tue Jul 1, 2014, 08:28 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Hey "some" men of DU
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025181214

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

I understand the sentiment, but go fuck yourself is a violation. Disruptive, hurtful, rude, OTT, and otherwise inappropriate. Please, we don't need this disruptive META in GD. Please hide.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Jul 1, 2014, 08:34 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Fuck that, alerter. This site has been subjected to so much misogynist bullshit since DU 3 started, much of it left to stand by juries, and lately it has increased noticeably. It is only right to let women fight back. Fair is fair.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Have absolutely no problem with this post.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It needed to be said, I am glad it hot said, and there is no way in hell I would vote to hide this. Here's to you boston bean :clapping:
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Methinks the alerter doth protest too much. Hey, alerter, are you one of those "some men"?
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Under most circumstances, I'd vote to hide. But this is a response to blatant sexism. Recommend that the poster herself edit last line.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

For transparency, I was juror #5.

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Response to William769 (Reply #35)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:47 PM

40. Bravo and Brava to the jury!



I have no clue what "some" here at DU do not understand about this decision and how it effects more than just women!

BeJeebus! This is embarrassing

thanks William.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #40)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:49 PM

41. It was the right thing to do.

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Response to William769 (Reply #35)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:53 PM

44. Thank you! I wish juror #1

would come forward so that we could all give him or her a box of virtual roses!

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Response to liberalhistorian (Reply #44)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 09:06 AM

110. That'd be me.

Checked in after dinner and immediately got called to jury for this thread. What a nice surprise to see the results were 0-7

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Response to redqueen (Reply #110)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 11:40 AM

141. Good job, RQ!

And keep it up, we need to really start fighting back.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #110)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 04:55 PM

178. i'm glad you were on that jury, rq

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Response to William769 (Reply #35)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:42 PM

57. LOl, William.. I was wondering if anybody might alert on this

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Response to William769 (Reply #35)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 05:21 PM

196. i'm glad you were on that jury, Bill!!

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:51 PM

42. Hey some alerter of this thread! Please re-read the OP!

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:05 PM

47. even thinking something is a crime

Why do people think things, anyway?

"The nonviolent resister not only refuses to shoot his opponent be he also refuses to hate him." p. 103

"Here, then, is the hard challenge and the sublime opportunity: to let the spirit of Christ work toward fashioning a truly great Christian nation." p. 210

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #47)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 12:30 AM

66. Are you confused that RW anti women bullshit should be welcome here?


thinking is a crime where? where did you get that ridiculous idea? Links?

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #66)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 02:36 PM

153. he's a perpetual victim

Of the thought police because "some" of his views are not appreciated. Most actually.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #47)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 07:34 AM

97. Again, you need to read these OP's before you comment on them. Read this one carefully.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #97)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:24 AM

127. if you feel the need to think I missed something

you could point it out.

Still looks to me like "if you say the wrong thing, or think the wrong thing, then fu$% off."

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #127)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:28 AM

129. And no one is surprised.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #129)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 11:00 AM

137. about what?

You said I misunderstood something, and yet cannot say what it is.

Or will not.

No one is surprised that little old me is one of the people who needs to go fuck himself.

Or no one is surprised that little old me cannot understand this OP which is all about love and compassion and understanding?

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #47)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 12:16 PM

294. wtf are you talking about?

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #47)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 02:54 PM

310. What are you talking out of?

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:19 PM

51. Great list - here's another "it's only a few closely held corporations" (so far). & "a very narrow

Last edited Wed Jul 2, 2014, 02:57 PM - Edit history (11)

decision" (somebody on the PBS Newshour)

Added On Edit:

- it was a very narrow decision because:

- it's just some pills and devices for a bunch of women

- it affects only women who are dating / married to a guy too cheap to pick up the tab for the contraceptives

- abstinence is always an option

- there are other jobs out there. Nobody is making you work for a closely held corporation owned by a religious fundamentalist (thx Cui Bono)

- You can always buy your own insurance -- chances are these kinds of companies pay so little that you'll probably qualify for a huge subsidy if you buy on the ACA exchanges, maybe even Medicaid if you live in a Medicaid expansion state (thx Cui Bono)

- the ruling still doesn't allow religious conscience exemptions for transfusions, vaccinations, and so on, only just for contraceptives

- it doesn't impose Sharia law (except on this one issue)

- it's not like they took away your guns or anything really major like that

- it's not like they've let the camel into the tent, it's just the camel's nose under the tent.
(The camel in the tent is the official establishment of Christian Sharia Law (Chriria). That will take many many years. In the meantime, lighten up! )

- the ruling is not taking away ALL the ACA benefits from women. Women still get SOME benefits under the ACA (so let's work on an attitude of gratitude. Turn that frown upside down)


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Response to progree (Reply #51)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:22 PM

52. Their "clarification" today made it broad enough to cover every Catholic owned business

in the country, including hospitals.

Catholic hospitals are a sick joke for women who can only expect full medical care above the waist and below the knees.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #52)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:44 PM

59. I'm hoping most Catholic owned businesses won't opt for that or even want to

I've seen surveys that American Catholics use contraception at about the same rates as Americans in general (a very high rate), despite official church doctrine, so hopefully American Catholic business owners will have the same attitudes ... but yes, I saw the "clarification" (below)


http://news.yahoo.com/justices-act-other-health-law-mandate-cases-133633160--politics.html

Tuesday's orders apply to companies owned by Catholics who oppose all contraception. Cases involving Colorado-based Hercules Industries Inc., Illinois-based Korte & Luitjohan Contractors Inc. and Indiana-based Grote Industries Inc. were awaiting action pending resolution of the Hobby Lobby case.


Thread dedicated to the "clarification" for anyone interested in more about it: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025178158

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Response to Warpy (Reply #52)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 12:00 AM

63. Here's 8 Minnesota companies - 5 of the 8 say they are Catholic

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Here's just two of the five Catholic ones for convenience of reference --

http://www.mprnews.org/story/2014/07/01/hobby-lobby-minnesota-plaintiffs?WT.mc_id=_WT_AUTOGEN_VALUE_

Eight Minnesota companies were among plaintiffs affected by Monday's Supreme Court ruling that some companies with religious objections can avoid the contraceptives requirement in President Barack Obama's health care overhaul. Here are the companies.

Plaintiffs: Feltl and Company, Inc., John C. Feltl and Mary Jo Feltl
Location: Minneapolis
Industry: Securities brokerage and investment banking
Excerpt from the complaint: The Feltls hold sincere religious beliefs based on the Roman Catholic Catechism which states "abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a 'criminal' practice" and which states "direct sterilization" and "contraception" are morally unacceptable.

Plaintiffs: American Mfg Company, Rev. Mr. (Deacon) Gregory E. Hall
Location: St. Joseph, Minn.
Industry: Mud pumps and parts
Excerpt from the complaint: Deacon Hall is a Roman Catholic Deacon of the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston assigned to Christ Redeemer Catholic Church where he conducts religious services and preaches...Deacon Hall is required as a Deacon to teach that contraception and abortion are sinful and morally unacceptable under Catholic religious law...Deacon Hall is also required to practice in his life, even in his business, what he preaches as a minister.


8 plaintiffs just in Minnesota. Minnesota has about 1/57 of the U.S.'s population. And I think we (Minnesotans) are less Catholic and less evangelical than the nation on average... So, nationwide, could be a lot of companies, especially considering the likelihood that only a small percentage that feel this way actually signed on as plaintiffs

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Response to progree (Reply #63)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 08:17 AM

102. and without crosses on thier logo how are we

 

Supposed to know. I think we need an executive order that says you must publically display your religious affiliation in order to opt out of the requirement.

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Response to progree (Reply #63)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:34 AM

131. Thanks for posting. I know people who are in a position to boycott some of these

specialized companies in MN. This is good to know.

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Response to progree (Reply #51)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 02:39 AM

72. I just had someone tell me that one can always get another job or pay for their own insurance.

Completely missing the point that it is discrimination against women and it's allowing individuals to force their religious beliefs on others.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:23 PM

53. And if you feel the need to say ...

this decision was bad; but President "Obama's compromise" was just as bad, while pointing out ... twice ... how this decision differed from the compromise, well ... BB told you what to do.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #53)

Fri Jul 4, 2014, 07:50 AM

338. That whole thread was just one big troll train wreck.

Thankfully he got smacked down pretty good, but he is someone who has been spreading that manure for a long time here.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #338)

Fri Jul 4, 2014, 07:55 AM

340. Yep ...

and he gets mad DU love.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:32 PM

54. It amazes me ...

How the pattern always plays out here on DU, a woman/PoC/GLBTQ member reacts to an outrageous act ... and the liberals on DU feel the need to tell us/them that we really shouldn't be upset because ... well ... because!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #54)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:53 PM

60. I imagine them reacting to the infamous Dred Scott opinion:

"It only narrowly applies to property law."

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Response to lovemydog (Reply #60)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 07:28 AM

96. LOL ...

Followed by a dissertation on how terrible a decision it was because it benefits the 1% and exacerbates the income equity problem ... the slave-plaintiffs, and Africans as a class, being denied basic personage rights, under the law ... well ... the 1%!

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Response to lovemydog (Reply #60)

Fri Jul 4, 2014, 07:52 AM

339. OR: You could go to Canada, so it's not that big a deal. OR: Its REAL danger is in the

slippery slope. Yeah, it means in the short run that an entire race of people will live in eternal slavery, but it is possible that someday it will lead to decisions that affect ME!!!!112@!!!

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Response to Squinch (Reply #339)

Tue Jul 8, 2014, 07:09 AM

361. LOL ...

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #54)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:55 PM

61. BECAUSE it's not about them

and therefore can't really be worth getting upset about.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #61)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 07:10 AM

89. Bingo ...

I can't decide whether this is about the privilege, or whether we are just experiencing a wave of narcissism, here at DU.

Well, here this might help:

http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/narcissistic.htm

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #89)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 12:14 PM

145. I took the test and scored a 6. eom.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #145)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:34 PM

351. I scored a 2. I am not sure that's very healthy.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #61)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 04:29 PM

165. In a nutshell...

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #54)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 01:05 AM

71. They know far more than we do.

We need to trust their instincts in these matters, that's what they want us to believe.

My opinion, they don't have a clue what they are talking about and probably never will. Sometimes it takes forever for dawn to break over Marblehead ( that's a metro Boston term) it fits here.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #71)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 08:55 AM

108. Aah Marblehead

One of my favorite places. My sister lived there for 20 years and is now back in Boston.

Sorry for the off-topic: Boston bean is 100% correct.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #54)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 02:40 AM

73. It's not the liberals saying that stuff.

I hope you meant to put that in quotations.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #73)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 07:18 AM

94. Each and every person that has written the above statements ...

has stated, on several occasions, that they are the really, real liberals, the defenders of liberal principles and the Democratic base ... and there are many here that break their necks to co-sign they're the really, real liberals, the defenders of liberal principles and the Democratic base.

So, No ... No quotation marks are necessary, here.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #94)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 09:25 AM

115. Yes, they are liberals and Dems. Among feminists elsewhere they are commonly referred to as

either brogressives or brocialists.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #94)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 02:42 PM

155. most of these people are socially conservative

But economic liberals, sort of. Thy are by no means socially liberal, no matter how loudly they proclaim to be.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #94)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 04:31 PM

167. Thank you for not falling for that.The disingenous "liberals can't be sexist/racist/homophobic" crap

has been THOROUGHLY disproven for about a hundred years. And even if it hadn't, two days on DU would certainly disprove it.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #167)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 08:06 PM

243. By definition sexist/racist/homophobic ARE NOT LIBERALS. How do they qualify for the label of

liberal if they dont believe the principles that are liberal? And plez dont try the "they call themselves liberal". A lot of people here call themselves liberals that arent.

Why is it so important to disparage liberals, especially in an election year?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #243)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 02:18 AM

269. Racism is a stew in which this entire country has been steeped.

You keep telling yourself that no white liberals are afflicted by it. The rest of us will continue to live in the real world.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #269)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 07:56 AM

279. So you think that only you "live in the real world"? A bit audacious dont you think?

The very definition of liberalism excludes racists.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #279)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 04:49 PM

319. Like I said, you just keep telling yourself that. Perhaps one day you'll convince yourself

The rest of us will CONTINUE to live in the real world where we know what you're saying is la la fantasy land foolishness that is not supported by any historical evidence. Even many abolitionists held racist tendencies.

It is apparent that you are invested in pretending that white liberals can't be racists but it's unfortunate for you that the rest of us know better.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #319)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 07:37 PM

327. BY DEFINITION, RACISTS ARE NOT LIBERAL. Being liberal means, by definition, you are not racist.

Once it's revealed a person is a racist, they lose their "liberal" badge.

You want so badly to paint liberals in a bad light. Why, would you do that on a liberal message board?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #327)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 10:41 PM

330. KEEP TELLING YOURSELF THAT. SHOUT it if you need to

IT DOES NOT CHANGE REALITY. No matter how desperately you obviously need it to.

Every black leader this country has known has said this same thing about white liberals. MLK, Malcolm you name it. Do you think I'd take your word over theirs, and particularly when I know the truth for myself?

You keep hollering, screaming if you need to do that white liberals cannot and have never been racist. As I've said a hundred times now - THE REST OF US KNOW BETTER.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #330)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 10:45 PM

331. "The Rest of Us Know Better". Really. You need to hate so badly you dont care who

you include. You dont know better. You would alienate those that would be your friends. How sad.

Liberals arent racists and those that disparage liberals must be conservatives. Now we all know that conservatives are most often racists.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #331)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 10:55 PM

332. You are so invested in your fantasy you are calling the truth "hate"

And it's funny and pathetic as hell as the same time.

Because you are invested in falsehoods and ignorant of history, you expect the rest of us to be too?? Not gonna happen. Sorry that the truth pains you so much. Actually, I'm not sorry one bit. You need to educate yourself and stop wasting time throwing on the Coat of Victimhood and pretending that acknowledging that white liberals -- like ALL people -- are as susceptible to racism as everyone else is such an agonizing, painful thing to acknowledge. You might think liberals are superhuman but no one else does.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #94)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 03:11 AM

270. Yeah, after posting I realized you are probably right.

There's a lot of people on here who I agree with on most policy that say some pretty sexist things. Then there are some who are championing women's rights but defend centrist policy, even right wing policy, and I mean a lot of it. So I think there's a lot of people on here who are very liberal on certain things but not on others. I find it weird myself.

It would be interesting to see a pie chart of it all, see how the percentages are for each area. But it would have to be based on the content of their posts and not how they self-identify.

Because there's a good amount of people on here who think they are liberals but defend policy and stances that are centrist at best. It's surprising really. And it's not just about bigotry/social issues that you mentioned, which I have seen too much of, it's also about a lot of government actions.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #94)

Fri Jul 4, 2014, 08:04 AM

341. And every single one of them seems to claim that they spend all their

free time as abortion clinic escorts. If you believe what you read on DU, it's all the most sexist and nasty guys escorting women at abortion clinics. I find myself doubting that claim often here.

If this thread weren't petering out, I would expect to get a response to this post from one of them that goes along the lines of, "Well I used to do that, but because you are so mean about it, I won't any more!"

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Response to Squinch (Reply #341)

Fri Jul 4, 2014, 08:30 AM

342. Yep ...

I would expect to get a response to this post from one of them that goes along the lines of, "Well I used to do that, but because you are so mean about it, I won't any more!"


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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #54)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 11:28 AM

138. It amazes me that you use this opportunity to trash liberals. "And the liberals on DU" Apparently

you are including all the liberals on DU. I dont understand this on a liberal message board. If you are not a liberal, what are you?

By the way the liberals on the SCOTUS stood up for women's rights while the Conservatives didnt.

There are a lot of conservative here that claim to be liberals. They are easy to recognize because they support the TPP, XL Pipeline, and fracking.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #138)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 12:05 PM

144. First, I am speaking of a particular sub-set of DU ...

that's what "Each and every person that has written the above statements ..." means. And that's what, "Hey, SOME men ..." means in the OP.

Secondly, what particularly is "liberal" about the statements that this thread has referred to?

By the way the liberals on the SCOTUS stood up for women's rights while the Conservatives didnt.


And the liberals on the SCOTUS haven't made any of the statements that this thread has highlighted; however, the Conservatives on the SCOTUS, and liberals on this site have ... so what are you saying?

There are a lot of conservative here that claim to be liberals. They are easy to recognize because they support the TPP, XL Pipeline, and fracking.


On this, we largely agree; but, I would extend the conservative identifier to include those that support the racial/gender status quo, and/or support the roll-back of a woman's right to control her own body, in general, and those that don't give a sh!t about/attempt to shut down discussions of racial/gender interests. That was largely the point of my post.

Finally, "Chuck a rock ... the dog that yelps, be the dog done got hit."

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #144)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 12:17 PM

146. " First, I am speaking of a particular sub-set of DU" No you werent. You were very clear.

Here are your words, "It amazes me ...How the pattern always plays out here on DU, a woman/PoC/GLBTQ member reacts to an outrageous act ... and the liberals on DU feel the need to tell us/them that we really shouldn't be upset..." That is addressed to "the liberals on DU". And if you are "chucking rocks" at liberals, I am yelping.

You also say, "... I would extend the conservative identifier to include those that support the racial/gender status quo, and/or support the roll-back of a woman's right to control her own body, in general, and those that don't give a sh!t about/attempt to shut down discussions of racial/gender interests. " and I would completely agree. Trying to paint me with that brush is very odd. Why would you do that? Dont we need to stick together on this issue?

On Edit: If you arent liberal, what are you?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #146)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 12:56 PM

148. B.S. ...

as you have pointed out by quoting my words ... I am/was ONLY talking about those "liberals on DU feel the need to tell us/them that we really shouldn't be upset...", when "a woman/PoC/GLBTQ member reacts to an outrageous act ..."

So tell me, Mr./Ms "not all men/liberals", how am talking about all liberals on this site?


You also say, "... I would extend the conservative identifier to include those that support the racial/gender status quo, and/or support the roll-back of a woman's right to control her own body, in general, and those that don't give a sh!t about/attempt to shut down discussions of racial/gender interests. " and I would completely agree. Trying to paint me with that brush is very odd. Why would you do that? Dont we need to stick together on this issue?


Damn ... why do some liberals (I said SOME {ETA: but in this case I am referring specifically to you}) liberals work so hard at placing themselves in a class to be offended?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #148)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 02:49 PM

156. because they are not liberals

Really. Any troll can come here and claim to be liberal, then spou every racist, sexist meme in the book...that means they are not liberals. Some seem vested in pretending real liberals are actually conservatives, but that makes no sense. So logic tells me that a person who claims to be a liberal has consistently liberal views, whereas a person who does not is not.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #156)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 03:11 PM

160. But as you have pointed out ...

there are some/many here that are liberal economically; but not socially. And there are some/many here that seem to claim the economic stuff, as the touchstone of liberal interests ... I disagree. I value social equality/equity over the economic stuff, every time.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #160)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 06:43 AM

275. again...they are not liberal

Just as economic conservatives are not liberal.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #148)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 08:02 PM

242. If you think I am offended you give yourself too much credit.

You tried to disparage liberals. Now you say you only meant "some liberals" and I still say BS. No liberals act as you accused. And if you are not a liberal what are you? I dont know, help me out.

"Chuck a rock ... the dog that yelps, be the dog done got hit." Again, if you are chucking rocks at liberals, they will yelp.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #242)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 08:34 PM

252. I rarely say this; but ...

STFU ...

Trying to paint ME with that brush is very odd. Why would you do that?


If you think I'm talking about you, when I have clearly described the subset of posters that I am talking about ... then, you are full of "working hard to be the victim" sh!t.

Wait ... let me ask ... You do understand the English language, right?

If English is your 4th language, I'll go line by line for you.

You tried to disparage liberals.


No ... I was disparaging those people that post on this site how liberal they are AND tell PoC and woman when, and how, they should reaction to an outrageous act.

Now you say you only meant "some liberals" and I still say BS.


No ... that is what I have been saying from the start; but maybe conditional/sentences with qualifiers confuse you.

No liberals act as you accused.


Yes, they do ... hence the OP. Or, at least they claim to be liberals AND other liberals break in to co-sign their liberalness.

And if you are not a liberal what are you?


Oh ... I am a Democrat that subscribes to liberal principles; and that does not include defending folks that say un-liberal stuff, despite them and others calling them liberals.

Again, if you are chucking rocks at liberals, they will yelp.


Again ... why do you insist on lumping yourself in with a/the subset of posters that call themselves (with other defending them as) liberals, while posting racist/sexist crap?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #252)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 08:45 PM

255. People that are bigots, sexists, misogynists are not liberal by definition.

If you wish to disparage bigots, sexists, and misogynists, go for it and I will support you. But there are far too many in DU that try to disparage liberals in general.

As far as telling me to Shut The Fuck Up, I've heard that before. I think it was Rahmbo Emanuel. He doesnt like liberals either.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #255)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 09:08 PM

260. And/But ...

If you wish to disparage bigots, sexists, and misogynists, go for it and I will support you. But there are far too many in DU that try to disparage liberals in general.


I'm not one of them.

As far as telling me to Shut The Fuck Up, I've heard that before. I think it was Rahmbo Emanuel. He doesnt like liberals either.


What does that have to do with anything ... other than, a low thinly veiled slap at the President Obama administration of about 5 or 6 years ago?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #260)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:09 PM

261. I apologize if I overreacted. I am sensitive about supposed "politically liberals" attacking

liberals. It happens way too much here. I see it as an attempt to drive a wedge between the liberals and whatever they call themselves (often called DLC, The Third Way, etc.)

I hope we can work together to see that progressive Democrats prevail in 2014 and 2016.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #261)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:20 PM

263. I am working to see Democrats ...

on every ballot ... I prefer progressives, that care about more than just combatting the 1%, and economic issues; but those that will, also, work to address the unacceptable racial/gender/GLBTQ status quo.

And then after the primaries, I will work to get ever Democrat on the ballot elected, whether DLC, 3rd-way, or however ones wishes to categorize them ... because the guy/gal with the "D" after is/will be far better than anyone with an "R" after their name.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #263)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 11:44 PM

265. I will work extra hard for progressives, but sorry, I have seen too many Blue Dogs stab

us in the back. I understand your reasoning for supporting them but I cant do it. I think we are where we are because the damn Blue Dogs support the Republicans every chance they get. Look who supported Bush?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #265)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 07:25 AM

278. In truth ...

it's not just the "Blue Dogs." Even the Bluest of Blue-dogs vote with the Democratic Caucus on 70+% of the votes. The seminal, distinctive vote that demonstrates(ed) support for Bush found was the Iraq War Resolution. It found only 156, voting "No" ... and that included some republicans.

I can understand holding one's nose and voting for a Blue dog; but I cannot see not voting for a Blue dog ... it's simply a matter of math and recognized self-interest (e.g., 70 > 1).

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #278)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 08:04 AM

280. I will agree with you on paper. But if a Democrat supported Dick Cheney's war crimes,

or is a known homophobe or racist, for example, I can not vote for them. If the system has gotten so bad that that's our only choice, then we need to do something drastic. Following the lesser of evils method has slowly ratcheted the lower classes to a point of almost total subjugation. Each time it's only a little worse than before until it's too late to fight back. We've been following this method for 30 years and it looks grim to me.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #280)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 09:47 AM

285. I agree ...

the "lesser of two evils" is frustrating; but what is more frustrating for me is the refusal to acknowledge that there are regions/districts where the "better candidate", cannot win/has not won ... it is there, and IMO, there alone, where the hated Blue-dogs have value.

But the call for "something drastic", is a lot like all of paul ryan's plans ... it relies on some magical event that is unlikely to occur. And relying on/planning based on that magical event is not living in reality.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #285)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 10:03 AM

287. The term "reality" gets bandied about. I see the current "reality" as not having

a path out of this mess. IMO we are getting farther behind every day. Granted we are gaining some much needed social changes, but if we continue on the path of losing our freedoms and liberties via the NSA/CIA and losing our economic liberties via Wall Street, we will get to a point were we can smoke marijuana in the soup lines. Following the status quo wont fix us. We will need something drastic and I am not speaking of violence.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #144)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 04:33 PM

168. "Chuck a rock ... the dog that yelps, be the dog done got hit."

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Response to Number23 (Reply #168)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:48 PM

231. For the life of me ...

I can't understand how/why someone would work so hard to put themselves in the/a class being criticized. I've always thought, "If the shoe don't fit, why try and force it on?"

But then again, maybe those whining "notallmen/liberal" see themselves in the criticism?

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Response to Number23 (Reply #168)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 07:56 PM

239. Yes I totally agree. If you are chucking rocks at liberals then liberals will yelp. But why

are you chucking rocks at liberals.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #239)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 08:08 PM

244. He's chucking rocks only at the people who behave a certain way.

I'm a liberal, and I know he wasn't referring to me - as I don't engage in the behavior he described.

Likewise, if you don't engage in that behavior, then he wasn't referring to you, either.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #247)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 08:33 PM

250. Seriously?

If you can see me reading threads on DU, then you'll see me in threads on those topics. If you think that only people who post prolifically in those threads qualify as liberal, then you're wrong.

I think you misunderstood 1strongblackman's post, and you're digging in your heels trying to remain insulted, for some reason.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #253)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 08:55 PM

257. I think we'll have to agree to disagree...

I honestly don't think he intended to disparage liberals.

And I'm glad the liberals on the court supported women's rights.

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Response to cyberswede (Reply #257)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 09:57 AM

286. I will admit that I may have overreacted. I have a large chip on my shoulder.

Thanks for the decent discussion. I will delete my above accusation.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #286)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 10:23 AM

288. No biggie...

I know some people do like to kick liberals around - blaming us for being too lefty, or radical, or whatever, and driving centrist voters away.

In reality, though my views are pretty far left (democratic socialist), once upon a time, they were considered typical Democratic views. *sigh*

Keep on keepin' on.

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Response to cyberswede (Reply #250)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 01:53 PM

301. Just like many meet complaints about ...

Rape or racism with: "Not all men rape" and "Not all white people are racist."

The problem is, while true, it distracts from the men that DO rape and the white people, including liberals, that DO do racist stuff.

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Response to cyberswede (Reply #244)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 01:43 PM

300. Thank you ...

Again, for the life of me, I can't understand how/why someone would work so hard to put themselves in the/a class being criticized. I've always thought, "If the shoe don't fit, why try and force it on?"

But then again, maybe those whining "notallmen/liberal" see themselves in the criticism?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #300)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:50 PM

356. Thank YOU!

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #138)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 11:40 PM

333. liberal is a label

The meaning of which is contested, no more so than here on DU. There are people who consider themselves true liberals who are openly hostile to women and people of color. They seem to think political purity is measured by how much one hates Democrats, all while naively buying into national mythology and showing no conception of the role of the state under capitalism. People have contorted the word so that anything they believe is liberal and what others do is RW or centrist. You are one who loves to hurl labels as insults without embarking on any analysis of what that means.

This all reminds me why I never used the term liberal to describe myself and prefer leftist. Classical Liberalism emerged as the political corollary to capitalism and still retains some of that meaning, which is why it is not associated with the left in much of the world.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #333)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 11:45 PM

334. My point is that those that are racist, homophobic, sexist, are not by definition liberal.

If people want to disparage the sexist, homophobic and racists among us, go for it. I will support you all the way. But some here see an opportunity to disparage the liberals. It's clearly disruptive.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #54)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 12:29 PM

296. And then we get bizarre posts and even OPs telling us that no one should judge anyone's beliefs!

In such controversial matters, no one is right and no one is wrong, because, golly, people just think differently and that's okay! ...

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #296)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 02:00 PM

302. I know, huh? ...

But when I saw that post, I thought that was more about a general world view, which we all have and will passionately defend.

Oh yeah ... that penguin GIF always makes me laugh. I find myself watching it wayyy longer than I should.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 12:05 AM

64. By golly I believe we have reached the "fuck ALL y'all" threshold!

I have seen less "nice" tolerance for the shit we've had to put up with since time began in the last couple of days than I ever have before. We might just be at the beginning of a movement.

BIG love to the men and women who take men and women seriously, and fuck ALL y'all who dare to dismiss and diminish us.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 05:01 AM

76. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Sometimes it MUST be said!

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 05:54 AM

79. Thank you.

For saying what needed to be said. I'm impressed you managed to put it "kindly". I don't trust myself to respond to some of the bullshit I've seen here this week.



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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:14 AM

80. Yep, fuck the mragynists.

It constantly amazes me that they are allowed to post here.

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #81)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 02:51 PM

309. well I already liked the post

this just makes it that much more awesome!

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 07:09 AM

88. IMHO, a judicious and effective use of the work "fuck"

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 07:11 AM

90. That's the only kind of fucking they deserve

Too bad we can't have a supreme court decision about that...

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 07:38 AM

98. I'm going to add one: If you think the damage from this ruling lies only in the "slippery slope,"

that the problem with this ruling is that it might eventually affect you badly, and that the part about the birth control is not that bad per se, kindly go fuck yourself.

And understand that, if you hold any of these beliefs or needs, even if you don't believe you are a sexist, you are a sexist.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 07:52 AM

99. Well said and I am greatly familiar with that attitude, often out of the same people, toward LGBT

issues. It is a conservative and often hyper religious lot that can not bear even the thought of women and LGBT people being equal.
And they should go fuck themselves. They should not even be on DU.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #99)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 09:31 AM

118. Yep, and race issues as well.

Which makes for quite a revealing convergence of opinions.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 07:56 AM

100. What a marvelous post! Might I also add, "Go fuck yourself and get pregnant." nt

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 07:59 AM

101. And these "some" men forget

 

that MANY women use birth control pills as therapy for some female problems that have NOTHING to do with preventing births. These rightwingnut fanatics who think contraception is a sin need to grow up and get a life and stop interfering in women's health issues.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 08:25 AM

104. This whole issue is the fault of conservative judges appointed by Republicans

and of course the conservative corporations who wish to punish their female employees (and female family members) by denying them important health benefits based on misguided philosophical ideas that are scientifically incorrect, mainly out of spite. Those folks need to go fuck themselves hard.

I share your rage.



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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 08:33 AM

106. Hey, any male out there who is OK with the HL decision:

When you get ordered to pay child support for a child you were not planning on...double that "Kindly go fuck yourself." Maybe you should have had that vasectomy that IS covered.

'Nuff said.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 09:40 AM

119. Right on BB! Could not be more obvious.

Different day, same old shit oozing from the same self absorbed shitheads.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 09:50 AM

122. Do you know the proper use of quotation marks?

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by using them in your sentence, you make it appears as if you are referring to all men.

But you "knew" that right? LOL

http://www.unnecessaryquotes.com/

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Response to Javaman (Reply #122)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 02:51 PM

157. Fresh "Fish"

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #157)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 02:55 PM

158. Exactly. Thank you for illustrating what is so horribly wrong and sexist about this OP. nt

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #158)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 03:11 PM

159. I just think that unnecessary quotes website is hysterically "funny".

I don't read any malicious "intent" into the use of quotation marks in the OP, however, I do think most "people" would agree it is a "misuse" of the "punctuation".

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #159)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 05:13 PM

187. FFS Warren.

I put it in quotations to emphasize that I did what people demanded that I do on this website. Let everyone know that it is only "some" men.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #187)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 05:26 PM

199. It doesn't need quotes, that's the point.

And you should look at that website, it's funny.

Plus, in case you didn't notice, I'm agreeing with your point in this thread. If you want to have an argument with me, you'd probably get more traction if you wait until I'm actually disagreeing with you.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #199)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 05:28 PM

202. I don't want to have an argument with you.

I want to set you straight. When someone demands I say something a certain way, I will use quotations to show I have used their verbiage.

If you don't like it, or it's not grammatically correct, I could care less.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #202)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 05:31 PM

205. It does not actually rise to the level of me not liking it.

I hope you get everything you wanted out of this "thread".

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #158)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 05:33 PM

207. "what is so horribly wrong and sexist about this OP."






Guess you won't be sending any alerts for a while





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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #207)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:56 PM

234. I did not alert on this thread, though I did think about doing so. "Thanks" for caring though. nt

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #234)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 08:29 PM

249. Sorry, I'm still laughing at your claim

that the OP is sexist. Too funny. Hope you can see why

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Response to cyberswede (Reply #246)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 08:46 PM

256. Improper use of punctuation can drastically alter meaning.

eg. adding a comma where it doesn't belong


or leaving commas out





same with periods



and it works with quotation marks, too, as has already been discussed up-thread.

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #256)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 09:01 PM

259. Well, you can't use bold or italics for emphasis thread titles...

I usually use asterisks when I want to highlight text in a thread title, but bb obviously chose another method.

If she had posted Hey men of DU, she would have been excoriated for not saying some men...when the context of the thread makes it clear she is only referring to the people who actually fit the criteria she is criticizing.

Your graphics are funny.

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #208)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:15 PM

262. "Unnecessary" quotation marks totally "change the meaning" of these "signs"

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Response to Javaman (Reply #122)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 05:42 PM

216. Those of us who have seen the outrageous

Threads from certain outrageous posters in the last couple of days, know exactly what and who Boston Bean meant. I've been lurking here a good while and I'm fairly familiar with the usual suspects, but you're new to me."LOL"

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Response to stage left (Reply #216)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 07:22 AM

277. Well allow me to introduce myself...

I'm Javaman, I've been here for 10 years.

and since I'm new to you, you seem easy to launch accusations.

huh, how about that.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:13 AM

123. and yet,

what have you done beyond posting on a discussion board?

Have you even emailed HL to tell them of your displeasure with their policy?

Yawn.................

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #123)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:38 AM

134. Heh.

Hobby Lobby cared enough about this issue to take it all the way to the US Supreme Court, but an email from BB will almost certainly get them to change their mind.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:14 AM

124. I'm a 59 year old man, and...

...I'm outraged by the decision.

PEACE!

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:21 AM

126. This is a discussion board, not an echo chamber or protected group.

 

That said, while the Hobby Lobby case probably doesn't augur the coming of the end times, it was a bad decision. That OP that said it was up to women to do something about it was pretty stupid and displayed a real lack of solidarity. An injury to one is an injury to all.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #126)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:34 AM

132. WTF? I think you are saying you agree. So why the cracks about echo chambers, protected groups

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Response to Squinch (Reply #132)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 11:59 AM

142. Good question. nt

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:27 AM

128. Absofuckinglutely!

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:31 AM

130. Well, since you're obviously not referring to me...

...I'll stand outside this Hobby Lobby and privately fume that nobody will join my protest.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #130)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:35 AM

133. What does that mean? Do you have something you want to say?

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 11:35 AM

140. How about we give them a hashtag that they can embrace:

Like, say, #NotAllSupremeCourts?