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Wed Jun 18, 2014, 05:31 PM

DU legal minds: Can the Rev. Terry Jones be charged with incitement?

Last Sunday, Army Delta Force operators captured one Ahmed Abu Khattala, who was wanted for his role in masterminding the Benghazi attack of 2012, and delivered him to interrogators.

Who extracted from him the revelation that he ran the attack as retaliation for an anti-Islam video.

The Rev. Terry Jones, operator of an extremist Christian church in Florida, was very heavily involved with pushing this video. What I would like to know: since the video was the catalyst for the attack, and Jones was involved with it, can he be charged with incitement, or another more serious offense?

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Reply DU legal minds: Can the Rev. Terry Jones be charged with incitement? (Original post)
jmowreader Jun 2014 OP
Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #1
hrmjustin Jun 2014 #2
CBGLuthier Jun 2014 #3
warrior1 Jun 2014 #4
A HERETIC I AM Jun 2014 #10
Lee-Lee Jun 2014 #11
Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #12
jmowreader Jun 2014 #13
quinnox Jun 2014 #5
onenote Jun 2014 #6
dilby Jun 2014 #7
Throd Jun 2014 #8
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #9
msanthrope Jun 2014 #14
tritsofme Jun 2014 #15

Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 05:32 PM

1. I'm not a lawyer but I can say pretty confidently that does not constitute legal incitement.

Nor should it.

Make better use of your time than trying to silence your enemies through dubious means.

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 05:33 PM

2. Not a lawyer but I would say likely not.

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 05:34 PM

3. Read the first amendment again and again until it sinks in.

As americans we have the right to say all kinds of ugly things about all kinds of things and that is the way I LIKE it.

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 05:40 PM

4. what about this

Isn't like yelling fire in a movie theater?

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Response to warrior1 (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 05:56 PM

10. Except that he yelled it here....

And people in a theater on the other side of the world attacked an embassy.


Not a lawyer either, but no, the nitwit didn't incite anyone. Some nutcases in another country freaked out.

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Response to warrior1 (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 06:01 PM

11. No

Yelling fire in a crowded theater is an act that is demonstrably only intended to cause panic and problems.

Opinions about a religion, or a video offensive to a religion, are not nearly the same thing.

And in fact if we start charging people because their speech made other people react violently in an irrational manner all we do is encourage more people to react that way to try and shut people up.

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Response to warrior1 (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 06:06 PM

12. Everything.

Terry Jones considers Islam to be a bad thing and he states his rationale. It doesn't matter if we find his statements to be false or offensive. Freedom of speech isn't designed to protect the popular. Desegregation was once very unpopular. Gay rights were once very unpopular. To silence the Other is to silence our own.

People claiming to be adherents of Islam don't get a free pass on acting violently; they are, at the end of the day, responsible for their own actions. They have every right to feel offended but that does not grant them license to bring machines guns and mortars to destroy human life.

Many people believe the Iraq war was justified because they believe terrorism is an existential threat. When anti-war protesters claim Bush's actions were tantamount to war crimes saying as much is not an excuse for those who support the war to claim that is an incitement to violence nor should it be used to legally indict those who made the offending remarks if there were a violent backlash.

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Response to warrior1 (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 06:11 PM

13. That's what I was thinking

The video was made with the intent purpose of pissing people off. In Brandenburg v. Ohio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio), the court held that government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless that speech is directed to inciting, and is likely to incite, imminent lawless action. Ergo, if the speech WAS directed to inciting imminent lawless action - such as worldwide riots - the government CAN punish it.

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 05:43 PM

5. I think people should be allowed to say hateful things, even about the Islam religion

 

But, if laws would be made against this kind of thing regarding the Islam religion, then I think it should also be applied to, and protect other religions such as Christianity...its only fair.

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 05:43 PM

6. No.

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 05:54 PM

7. Sure he can, after you send him to Iran or another country without a 1st Amendment.

Here in the United States not so much.

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 05:54 PM

8. I sure hope not.

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 05:56 PM

9. Nope

I love the First Amendment warts and all

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 07:05 PM

14. No. nt

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 07:11 PM

15. This compulsion as of late to ban and punish undesirable speech is just as scary on the left

as it is on the right.

There is no heckler's veto on speech in this country. Americans cannot be subjected to government enforced censorship to possibly prevent others from acting in an unreasonable and uncivilized manner.

Many could really use a seminar on the First Amendment.

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