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Mon Jun 9, 2014, 08:15 AM

The Value of Diversity

Diversity is something that has been valued by the Democratic Party and educated liberals for decades now. Democrats depend upon a diverse electorate to win office since the party's base is primarily women and people of color. In higher education and in business, it is widely understood that diversity is a benefit. People from a variety of backgrounds--whether race, gender, sexual orientation, class, region, or nationality--enhance intellectual exchange, promote greater creativity and increase business competitiveness.

But what does diversity mean? For much of the twentieth century, it meant allowing the presence of people of color and women as long as they did not act or speak in ways that diverged from the dominant culture. People thought black folk were okay (beginning in the 1960s) if they didn't seem "too black." Hispanic folk were okay if they left their "cultural baggage" and language at home. The image of the Melting Pot exemplifies this notion of America. Immigrants from around the world could melt into a single, homogenized Anglo-American culture. Henry Ford used to hold plays for his factory workers, where they would enter the stage dressed in immigrant garb, walk into the melting pot, only to emerge transformed into a "regular" American, indistinguishable from the dominant cultural idea of what it mean to look, dress, and speak American.


Historical image of the Melting Pot, with an Irish man resisting, not quite able to melt


Beginning in the 1960s and 70s, scholars critiqued the idea of a Melting Pot and suggested the idea of a mixed American salad, in which immigrant and ethnic groups would integrate into the broader culture but not shed their ethnic heritage. Rather, that heritage was seen as enriching the broader American culture. That meant America changed. Cultures, of course, always change; none are static. Recognizing the salad metaphor as a replacement for the Melting Pot did not alter the course of that change; it simply provided a more useful way of understanding it.

The salad metaphor is nothing new. Such understandings of diversity have prevailed in universities, non-profits, and even many businesses for decades. Our differing backgrounds allow us to contribute in differing ways. Many on DU, however, seem resistant to this notion. Some have a great deal of trouble recognizing that people who come from different ethnic backgrounds experience the world and politics in ways that differ from the majority demographic of this site, which does tend to be older and far whiter than American society at large. I don't think people here would object to someone based on skin color alone, but a number do seem to object to the views that come from living in that skin. Embracing diversity--which is at the very core of the Democratic Party and modern-day liberalism--requires understanding that other people's life experiences matter. Expecting that no one will discuss their experiences of racism, other than to blame Republicans, is to essentially say you don't want anyone to act "too black." If we value diversity, that means respecting diversity of opinion. It doesn't mean you need to agree, but to declare them trolls, as sowing division, or being worth less than the older white majority is to show hostility toward diversity.

The sowing division claim is particularly problematic. Duers disagree on any number of issues, from which candidate to support in an election, to gun policy, drug policy, foreign policy, and NSA surveillance. Will Rogers famous statement remains as true now as ever: "I'm not a member of any organized party. I'm a Democrat." Democrats disagree. It's what we do. That comes from critical thinking. So why are issues of race and gender unacceptably divisive when those others are not?

What the trope of "dividing people" along race and gender lines ignores is that those divisions already exist. American society is highly stratified, and the experience of what it means to be African American, Hispanic, or other ethnic identities varies greatly from what it means to be white. When people decry "division," what they are objecting to is being exposed to the view on the other side of the divide. They would prefer not to hear about those lives and those experiences. That is indeed unfortunate, and it is a position that is openly hostile to diversity. Diversity, you see, is not simply tolerating the presence of people with dark skin as long as they don't act "too ethnic"; it is understanding that their life experiences and voices matter. It means understanding that they will have concerns you never thought of, that may even make you uncomfortable, but in seeking to shut them down, you only shut yourself off from the modern world. America is not comprised entirely of people who think just like you, and to pretend that liberalism depends on upholding a white hegemonic view of politics that excludes anyone whose life experiences and perspectives differ from your own does yourself and this online community a great disservice.

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seabeyond Jun 2014 #36
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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 08:27 AM

1. This was a great post.

Very well written, thank you.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 10:37 AM

14. Thanks

and I hope all the drama hasn't gotten you down too much.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #14)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 10:47 AM

15. Of course not.

I take it in stride. I did get a bit upset by the pile on so i watched GOT and that made me feel better about my life. At least i'm not fighting White Walkers.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 05:52 AM

48. I just watched it

Next week is already the season finale.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #48)

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 05:59 AM

49. Every year when it ends it's like the world gets a little emptier .

And i read all of the books except the dunk and egg ones so i hate him ( the author) more and more everyday until the next season. He is writing slow on purpose to antagonize me i'm sure. Probably laughing it up at his movie theater and eating popcorn between sports games, Comic con type events and his stupid world of ice and fire stuff. Waiting for Winds of Winter.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 08:45 AM

2. +1000

Excellent post, BainsBane.

"Diversity, you see, is not simply tolerating the presence of people with dark skin as long as they don't act "too ethnic"; it is understanding that their life experiences and voices matter." Cannot be said often enough or loud enough.

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Response to brer cat (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 09:02 AM

3. That really is the key.

Thanks.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 09:11 AM

4. This is good. REAL good. K&R!

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:27 PM

31. Thanks, JaneyVee!

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 09:12 AM

5. Very good post.

Some of us were successful at blending in with the Anglo-American culture. Then one day we woke up and discovered two things:

1) When all the right-wing nuttery was on the rise, we realized that the people we thought we were supposed to imitate held values that we wanted no part of.

2) And that's the point when we realized how we were complicit in a process that kept us from reaching our full potential.

For my generation, it was a catch 22. Because assimilation was the easiest and quickest way to reach financial independence. But when the right-wing started to make race and culture an issue, it became a path that demanded far too many compromises on matters that should not make a difference in a diverse society.

This country is in a state of transition. If Liberals aren't going to lead the way into that brave new world, I fear we're going to end up with a society that relies on corruption and cronyism as people continue to protect their fiefdoms.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 09:40 AM

9. Yet after using etnicity as a wedge issue

they want to feign colorblindness. It's disingenuous. As you note, liberals must embrace diversity. If not, we really can't move forward.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 09:54 AM

10. There is so much to say about the obstacles we face.

I don't even know where to start. But, yes, if we're going to do it together, it begins with all Liberals embracing diversity, which means that we need to see the problem in a multi-cultural, multi-racial dimension. In other words, our perceptions and experiences as minorities, need to be a big part of that dialogue. That is going to be difficult because of the whack-a-mole reaction we get from people who don't understand the issue as well as we have lived it.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 09:18 AM

6. I agree wholeheartedly, but would like to add....


... that disagreeing with a minority, underrepresented, oppressed, or otherwise disenfranchised point of view does not make one a hater of that group.

But then again, sometimes it is.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 09:25 AM

8. I don't meant to suggest it does

I believe I specified otherwise. It does, however, help to listen rather than reflectively reject ideas one isn't comfortable with and accuse those who articulate them of being trolls or sowing division, as unfortunately does happen.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 11:56 AM

21. I have found that popping into various forums

and just reading thet threads and comments has helped me gain a better understanding of some of the problems and situations encountered that I would not have thought of or even dreamt of. It has helped educate my thinking and I hope made me a more aware person in my everyday life. As an old white guy, I have never been subjected to or experienced what a lot of my fellow DUer's have been exposed to. To say it is eye opening is an understatement. Good post

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 09:25 AM

7. Fabulous post

Honored to kick and rec!

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Response to theHandpuppet (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 10:02 AM

11. Thanks.

I appreciate it.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 10:04 AM

12. This is a great post BainsBane. The idea of sowing division has always hit me the wrong way because

it is saying that our connection to democratic party (or liberal or progressive) principles is so tenuous that what someone says on a website could make us vote for/support the opposition. Who really believes that?

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Response to seaglass (Reply #12)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 10:20 AM

13. Particularly since Democrats agree on virtually nothing

As every thread on DU demonstrates.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 12:52 PM

24. We all agree on one thing....

which is that we often disagree on many things.

Will Rogers was right.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 10:56 AM

16. So well written. Thank you, Baines. K&R

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 11:00 AM

17. Great post.

Thank you BainsBane.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 11:24 AM

18. Thank you for writing and posting this, BainsBane!

On a discussion board, we discuss.

Too often, that means jumping in to donate our valuable experience and perspectives and opinions without spending enough time reading, thinking about, and trying to understand those of others.

I can't express, often enough, or with sufficient emphasis, the gratitude I feel for learning what the world looks like from others' perspectives. My beliefs have evolved, based on what I've learned. My ideas about what is, and isn't, the kind of world I want to live in, have grown.

This kind of diversity-- the kind that embraces all of us: heritage, appearance, experience, culture, beliefs and understanding, expression-- matters enormously.

Which doesn't mean that SOME of you out here on DU are still WRONG about something!

(Not me, of course.)

appreciatively,
Bright

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 11:34 AM

19. There is nothing for me to add ...

Great piece. Thank you for putting your thoughts into words ... non-threatening words.

I especially liked that you take on the "That's divisive" trope, as I, personally, have been so accused. In a recent thread (that I started and was, ultimately, locked out of ... though I will admit the thread was born of frustration and probably imprudient) a poster, unwittingly (maybe) gave truth to your observation:

The sowing division claim is particularly problematic. Duers disagree on any number of issues, from which candidate to support in an election, to gun policy, drug policy, foreign policy, and NSA surveillance.


By stating:

Some never discusses the TPP, Wall Street corruption, the XL Pipeline, fracking and lots of other important issues. All they do is disparage those that dare try to hold the President accountable to Democratic principles.


As if I/we never comment on these topics (though, I/we do); but more to my, and your, point ... they wish to have "TPP, Wall Street corruption, the XL Pipeline, fracking and lots of other important issues", be the totality of "Democratic principles", but the gender/racial issues and concerns of women and PoC as, at most, of lesser concern ... despite women and PoC, being the most reliable of the Democratic cohort.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 11:53 AM

20. I get frustrated too

I think part of the problem is some have come to see any mention of racism/privilege as an attack against them personally. I think it helpful to reflect on the fact that diversity is a positive, that it contributes to society, even if it makes people uncomfortable. We can all benefit from understanding more about one another's lives, and that includes experiences that result from one's race, ethnicity, and gender, just as experiences as a school teacher, activist, or union laborer are important.

As for the other comment, why are some so concerned with controlling what other people post about? That I care about racism and violence against women doesn't take away his/her right to be concerned about TPP or fracking. I personally get turned off by threads that focus on individuals over issues--whether they be Obama, Snowden, Clinton or any other figure. I don't find them illuminating, and they often skirt the issues in favor of anointing heroes or foes. When I do wander in, I get accused of being a traitor to one side or another. It's hard to participate if you aren't immersed in the issue and the posters who align themselves on either side. I wish that weren't the case, but it has been my experience.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 12:34 PM

22. Just when I think it's inadvertent

and want to give people the benefit of the doubt, I see something that erases doubt.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #22)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 12:46 PM

23. Identify those that violate that benefit of the doubt and ...

keep it moving ... It's a learned survival technique.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #23)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 01:26 PM

27. Do you think that number is a few

or many? I wonder.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #27)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 01:36 PM

28. Thankfully, ...

a very few that I would consider to have violated the benefit of the doubt (I would say less than 20); but far, far too many that remain silent when they do.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 12:55 PM

25. Yup...and many of those same people, who are no doubt white males,

will plead for us to reach out to white republicans/libertarians in order to broaden the Democratic base.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #25)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 01:51 PM

29. omg...this just happened the other day

A poster claimed that by discussing misogyny and racism, we are "alienating" potential voters...I assume republicans. I told him I will not coddle misogynists and racists for votes...as if they will vote democratic anyway. What I don't understand about hand-wringing apologists is this: If I can see you, and others can see you, why can't you see yourself? Some people have some internal work to do...in order to see themselves. Perhaps then they can change.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #29)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:49 PM

33. Yup...those folks have no problem not discussing issues of misogyny and racism

because it doesn't directly impact them.

But if you're female and/or a minority, those are issues you cannot escape from.

To see people try to downplay those issues is disgusting.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #29)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 03:02 PM

34. I don't think they are talking about Republicans

I think the person was likely talking about people like themselves who don't want to think about the concerns or even existence of anyone but themselves and people just like them.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #34)

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 02:02 AM

43. well

Given the defensiveness, I have to agree.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 12:58 PM

26. Valuing diversity relates to: 'Civic' nationalism is about creating an inclusive society,

requiring only respect for a country's institutions and laws for belonging.

'Ethnic' nationalism, often expressed in racial, linguistic or religious terms, sees ancestry as the key social boundary defining the collective national 'us'. Whilst ethnic nationalism often employs a closed and antagonistic approach to minorities or immigrants, civic nationalism, in principle anyway, is more open to building bridges between different communities and opening up borders to immigrants.

Like the previous studies they found that people who exhibited more national pride had greater well-being. But Reeskens and Wright's findings also show that it was the civic nationalists who were on the whole happier, with even the proudest ethnic nationalists' well-being barely surpassing that of people with the lowest level of civic pride.

With extreme nationalist parties once again on the rise in Europe, studies like these are essential for getting to grips with complex political ideologies and for defining exactly what kind of nationalism is a desirable one. Wright believes that the findings give clues to what popular responses we might expect to trends such as millions of people crossing borders from poorer to wealthier countries looking for work or seeking refuge from war or political repression. 'It's unclear what the political implications of the happiness measure are - though unhappy citizens could demand many politically dangerous, xenophobic responses. Ethnic nationalists, proud or not, appear relatively less happy to begin with and more likely to lead the charge as their nation diversifies around them.'

http://cordis.europa.eu/fetch?CALLER=EN_NEWS&ACTION=D&SESSION=&RCN=34132

This article is about ethnic vs. civic nationalism in Europe but it applies to the US as well. I see tea party types here and the far-right in Europe as 'ethnic nationalists' who decry change "as their nation diversifies around them." Liberals, here and in Europe, are mostly civic nationalists who want to create an inclusive society and to build bridges between different communities.

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Response to pampango (Reply #26)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 07:02 PM

38. Europe and the US differ in key respects

particularly in terms of race since the issue here isn't one of nationalism but inclusion. It's not simply immigrants vs. native-born.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #38)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 08:37 PM

39. Much of Europe has as much immigration now as the US has and much of it is Asian,

African and Middle Eastern immigration so there is a racial/ethnic component to their immigration, too.

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Response to pampango (Reply #39)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 09:15 PM

40. I understand that

but they are able to portray racial others as entirely foreign. In the US, tribal peoples preceded Europeans and Africans were brought in chains, so the dynamic differs. There is a certain parallel with new immigrant groups, like Hispanics (not new, but targeted recently in historical terms). There isn't the same debate about nationalism in the US as in Europe. We are now in a period where Americans like to present we exist in a post-racial society, where race doesn't really matter. That is the newest means of denying racism and perpetuating inequality.

Essentially the fact that the US was a colony in which slavery predominated for centuries means the dynamic is fairly different.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #40)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 09:54 PM

41. I agree that minorities in Europe are largely recent immigrants so the politics of race and

inequality are different.

I think our far-right rivals the European version in its focus on nationalism and national sovereignty. Ours rails against the UN, the WTO, etc. The Europeans rail against the EU. They both treasure national sovereignty over multinational cooperation.

While the history of racism and inequality is certainly different in the US, the idea of a "civic" nationalism that reaches out to and incorporates minority groups is preferable to an "ethnic" nationalism which is based on white Protestants as the "real Americans" or "real" French or "real" Russians as determined by some ethnic or linguistic purity.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:04 PM

30. No rec. And here's why this post doesn't deserve any:

This:
When people decry "division," what they are objecting to is being exposed to the view on the other side of the divide. They would prefer not to hear about those lives and those experiences.


.....is a complete crock of bullshit. And yes, I hate to be harsh, but if anything, +90% of genuine liberal Democrats have actually been *more than* open to the lives and experiences to those different than themselves.....contrary to what you may wish to believe.

And yes, there is a REAL problem with unnecessary division in the Democratic Party, and people of all sorts have been pointing that out. And if you think there there aren't people out there who are deliberately exploiting already existing divisions, and seeking to not only create more, but also exasperating the former.....well, I'm sorry, but you are either hopelessly naive or lying to yourself. And furthermore:

Some have a great deal of trouble recognizing that people who come from different ethnic backgrounds experience the world and politics in ways that differ from the majority demographic of this site


That's not exactly true. And it's not hard to see.

I don't think people here would object to someone based on skin color alone, but a number do seem to object to the views that come from living in that skin


Here's the problem: whether you'll admit it or not, BB, this *automatically* assumes that PoC will take a certain specific view, just because. Well, I've got news for you: the world doesn't work like that. It never has.

If we value diversity, that means respecting diversity of opinion.


And what about those PoC who don't happen to toe your preconceived narrative? TBH, not every PoC is going to have the same general experience. There are even at least a few, at least younger folks, anyway, who have never experienced racism, believe it or not.

Whatever truth may have found its way into your post, has, unfortunately, been so badly clouded by B.S., naivete, etc., that it's practically worth almost nothing. Regardless whatever shortcomings may exist, DU has hardly ever been exclusive.....in fact, this is also true for Democrats and the (modern) Party in general. And if you can't accept that truth, well, perhaps you'd be better off at CounterPunch or FDL.....or, even better yet, Discussionist.



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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #30)

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 02:09 AM

44. tell that to trayvon martin

He is dead because a realitively young person profiled and killed him. Of course attitudes have and are changing...but does it matter, really?! When there are still too many Zimmermans in America.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #44)

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 02:22 AM

45. My apologies, but what does this have to do with Trayvon Martin, exactly?

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #30)

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:28 AM

53. What is the definition of unnecessary division?

Is the division between supporters of Greenwald and the Administration necessary or unnecessary, for example?

Do you think that DUers of different backgrounds will, on the whole, vote differently in the general election? Or on most ballot initiatives?

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #53)

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 10:09 AM

54. The definition is

issues and people they think don't matter. That unnecessary division argument is a way of saying you don't count; your concerns are unimportant and shall not be discussed. That the people and issues they oppose related to the lives of people of color and feminists shows that they seek to impose a narrow view of politics in which the majority of the population is excluded entirely from public discourse. Our lives do not matter. Period. That is not simply divisive, it seeks to subjugate the majority of the population by denying their very rights to speech and inclusion in discussions about the political party that depends on our votes. It is a particularly pernicious manifestation of entitlement because it enforces white male supremacy over public discourse and the body politic.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #54)

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 10:13 AM

55. That seems accurate - the phrase "unnecessary division" is kind of a red flag

Because DUers disagree on all sorts of issues. How do you decide whether a disagreement is "necessary" or not?

Bryant

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:45 PM

32. Just great! Kick and rec, and this should be on the Essays page.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #32)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 03:12 PM

35. Thanks, Squinch

That's very kind of you.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 03:38 PM

36. this is absolute backlash. with the net so many of our voices are making a difference. and with

the net, so many feeling intimidated, fear of loss are bonding.

good post baines.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #36)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 05:31 PM

37. It is a backlash

Polls now show that more whites feel they are subject to greater racism than people of color. I find that unfathomable.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #37)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 11:13 PM

42. you know. i read that somewhere. unfathomable. for sure. makes no sense to the thinking person. nt

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 02:37 AM

46. E Pluribus Unum

 

Any nation will fall apart unless assimilation happens

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Response to statementofgoods (Reply #46)

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 04:25 AM

47. Not assimilation

That terms assumes everyone must become like the dominant Anglo-American culture. Rather the goal is to understand the value of diversity.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #47)

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 12:59 PM

57. I don't think it's wrong to point out things in different cultures that are destructive

 

to the fabric of our country and society . Case in point some things that are accepted as a way of life in certain Muslim countries.
Treatment of women , arranged marriages by the parents etc.. If they want to move here then they need to change that way of thinking. Another thing that seems to be accepted in the younger black communities is the hip hop culture . That is also demeaning and destructive to women . When we are talking about cultures we also need to include not only people moving here from other nations but the cultures that are being played out here by young Black Americans growing up and being influenced by this fairly new phenomenon in their communities

http://articles.philly.com/2014-06-06/news/50362535_1_power-99-clear-channel-lyrics


Brittney O'Rourke, 26, vice president of artists and repertoire for Ethical Music Entertainment, says that back in 1993, Queen Latifah could have a hit with a track like "U.N.I.T.Y.," an encouraging, girl-power anthem. Today, she says, rap and hip-hop music undermines women



While I think your post is well thought out and you hit some really good points we should not accept diversity and cultures as always a good thing . Some are just bad and we need to say it.

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Response to statementofgoods (Reply #57)

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 02:24 PM

58. I submit the greatest problem our country faces

is ignorance and bigotry, that go hand in hand. They represent a cancer on the nation.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #58)

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 03:32 PM

59. Agree on both counts

 

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 08:04 AM

50. Excellent post. I don't think I've read anything from you yet that

isn't a home run.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #50)

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:23 AM

51. How nice of you to say

Thanks.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:25 AM

52. Well stated. n/t

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 10:15 AM

56. Diversity. Why I believe it's a very old wooden ship from the Civil War era.

/Ron Burgundy

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 05:04 PM

60. Excellent post

Love this last paragraph.

What the trope of "dividing people" along race and gender lines ignores is that those divisions already exist. American society is highly stratified, and the experience of what it means to be African American, Hispanic, or other ethnic identities varies greatly from what it means to be white. When people decry "division," what they are objecting to is being exposed to the view on the other side of the divide. They would prefer not to hear about those lives and those experiences. That is indeed unfortunate, and it is a position that is openly hostile to diversity. Diversity, you see, is not simply tolerating the presence of people with dark skin as long as they don't act "too ethnic"; it is understanding that their life experiences and voices matter. It means understanding that they will have concerns you never thought of, that may even make you uncomfortable, but in seeking to shut them down, you only shut yourself off from the modern world. America is not comprised entirely of people who think just like you, and to pretend that liberalism depends on upholding a white hegemonic view of politics that excludes anyone whose life experiences and perspectives differ from your own does yourself and this online community a great disservice.

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