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Wed Jun 4, 2014, 07:32 PM

On March 15, 1973 I was on the flight line at Clark Air Base in the Republic of the Philippines.

I well remember our POW's returning from Hanoi, their faces both drawn and jubilant. John McCain was there that day. I wonder why he doesn't remember.


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Reply On March 15, 1973 I was on the flight line at Clark Air Base in the Republic of the Philippines. (Original post)
Scuba Jun 4 OP
randys1 Jun 4 #1
Scuba Jun 4 #2
randys1 Jun 4 #4
truebluegreen Jun 4 #6
NewJeffCT Jun 4 #12
monmouth3 Jun 4 #3
niyad Jun 4 #13
HubertHeaver Jun 4 #5
DinahMoeHum Jun 4 #8
NuclearDem Jun 5 #17
Skittles Jun 4 #7
valerief Jun 4 #9
Fred Sanders Jun 4 #10
randys1 Jun 5 #18
Fred Sanders Jun 5 #19
randys1 Jun 5 #21
bullwinkle428 Jun 4 #11
nadinbrzezinski Jun 4 #14
onenote Jun 4 #15
Scuba Jun 5 #16
IronLionZion Jun 5 #20

Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 07:34 PM

1. McCain is a spoiled rotten brat, and I have a question for you all...

Do you believe the story that he turned down being released unless all the others could be released as well, McCain?

Do you buy that?

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Response to randys1 (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 07:37 PM

2. I've not idea if that's true, or if McCain accepted special favors as some have claimed. Fact is...

... I'll forgive John McCain for anything he did to help himself while he was a POW, but I'll never forgive him for what he's done as a US Senator.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 07:42 PM

4. Same here, would be nice to tell the truth about it but what he is doing now and his career

has been a shame.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 07:50 PM

6. +100

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Response to Scuba (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:28 PM

12. It's been 40 years now

It might not even be clear in his mind anymore.

I think he was a decent senator (for a Republican) prior to his loss to Bush in 2000. However, since then, he's been erratic and waffling between being a sane conservative and a crazy right winger.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 07:38 PM

3. I don't buy it at all but then again I've had two husbands...n/t

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Response to monmouth3 (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:45 PM

13. and I would guess you have not treated them as badly as grumpy treated wife #1--or said on a live

mic what he said to cindy a few years ago.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 07:42 PM

5. Yeah, I do. The military in general is a highly propagandized group.

First in, first out is well beaten into those that will be at risk...i.e. pilots.

McCain was a lot younger in 1973 and, I would hope, a lot more idealistic. Obviously, whatever idealism he had then is long gone.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 09:00 PM

8. Yes, I do, however, refusal of early release was a STANDING ORDER. . .

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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 5, 2014, 07:35 AM

17. As much as I respect Admiral Stockdale and his conduct as a POW

(A lot of which has since become textbook POW training), I'm glad the military no longer makes the "no early release" order.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 08:00 PM

7. John McCain is a republican whore

he lost his credibility long ago

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:05 PM

9. Will McCain or his wife/daughter be murdered if he doesn't make these 'unacceptable'

comments? Because I can't see any other reason for them. McCain continually breaks the envelope on Appalling.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:08 PM

10. The only thing this bitter old man remembers is losing to the black man in the WH, still there.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 5, 2014, 08:51 AM

18. He is furious that "that one" beat him, that he lost to a Black Man who didnt serve in the military

and the word is mccain is a demanding, spoiled diva...

most of them are actually, I remember Barney Frank and someone walking into his office, he was very arrogant and demeaning to the interviewer at first...

our system is completely broken, i trust maybe 3 people, Bernie sanders who isnt effective legislatively, liz warren of course and grayson

there are a few more but always forget the names

AT THE END OF THE DAY, I cant judge someone who went thru what he went thru, I can judge his actions since and most of them have been pitiful...john mccain is a typical american politician, not very bright and not at all suited for the job

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Response to randys1 (Reply #18)

Thu Jun 5, 2014, 10:34 AM

19. The lust for power is being juiced by unlimited money, all of it is causing massive corruption of

America's democracy, it is crumbling under the weight of selfishness. There is nothing more important than taking money out of politics, the money that pours into the coffers of the media which is now equally lustful for the cash, damn the facts.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #19)

Thu Jun 5, 2014, 01:57 PM

21. And 2nd most important is TARIFFS...stop making Walmart owners

rich by importing junk

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:11 PM

11. K&R. I recall watching the footage as well, as an 8-year-old kid!

Not terribly politically aware at the time, but was still wise enough to realize how that war had torn the country apart, and this was a genuine step toward healing those wounds.

Shame on this SOB for his staggering hypocrisy.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 11:03 PM

14. Captain John McCain (iirc he got his obligatory increase in rank)

Is not the same man as Senator John McCain. The latter has been trying hard to defeat his demons and win that long lost war for a few decades now. The rejection of the voters in 2000 and later 2008 affected him deeply as well. It is...almost as he deserved the Presidency and was taken away from him. Deserved, but taken away first by a silver spoon who used dirty tricks and went AWOL the second was too young to serve, and yes, is a dem, and wants to end McCain's latest proxy war. There might be some racism as well.

Also there are many rumors, never confirmed, from the men who were in confinement with him. Those must be painful to no end in private moments, so he does the same to a young man forty years later. A victim if you will...of his war to win that fight he lost 40 years ago.

It is complicated, but it is a fascinating psychological exercise. McCain is almost a fictional character in some ways. But this is also part of the sickness that has infected American politics.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 11:23 PM

15. as others have stated, the two situations are apples and oranges

And for the record, I think the President did the right thing to negotiate Bergdahl's release and have no problem with the terms of the exchange as described. We get our people back. Period. And the risk posed to our rapidly declining force by these five guys (three of whom were captured within the first few weeks of the Afghan war in 2001 and one wasn't captured until after he had abandoned the Taliban and become a drug lord in Pakistan, apparently).

But there is a distinct difference between return of prisoners as part of a negotiated cease fire in which the parties all agree to a cessation of hostilities.

The simple fact is that the statement that we don't negotiate with terrorists is rhetoric not reality, as is, sadly, the statement that we never leave anyone behind (or at least that is the view of a number of Vietnam vets I know who continue to believe the country did far too little for far too long to recover MIAs left behind). The reality of war and diplomacy and all the things in between is messy. The problem here is that the repubs are pretending its not for purely partisan reasons.


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Response to onenote (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 5, 2014, 05:46 AM

16. You might want to read "Kiss the Boys Goodbye: How the United States Betrayed its Own POWs in VN".

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jun 5, 2014, 10:39 AM

20. "I got mine, F everyone else"

It's unconscionable for anyone to claim a US soldier doesn't "deserve" to come home from enemy captivity for any reason ever. No one gets left behind, no exceptions. If he did something wrong, then bring him home and try him in military court.

Some people support the troops by screwing them every chance they get. F people like this. For the same reason they vote against veterans benefits.

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