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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnybody else tired of Obama complaints?
The Imperial President, the lazy President, the Lying President, the Muslim President, the anti-American President and on and on and on. If the President eats a hearty meal and uses a toothpick without permission from a Congress that hates him he will be censored or impeached. A Toothpick Committee will be established immediately. They will, of course, be given subpoena power.
I am trying real hard not to curse, but this shit is ridiculous. He brought home a soldier. Anybody happy? Fuck no! To make their point, other soldiers who served with him say he's a worthless deserter. He walked away. Why would any American soldier in his right mind walk away from his patrol in the middle of a war in Afghanistan? Why? Could he have had a nervous breakdown, like so many others who have returned? Everybody yelling about how they got him back would be singing a different song if it was their kid, or God forbid, one of them.
The Black President did not ask for permission to kill Bin Laden, now he didn't ask permission to bring home a p.o.w.. You want to know why he didn't ask for permission? There would have been a fucking stampede for the cameras to tell the whole fucking world so that it would fail! He's not the President of the United States! He's the President of Damned if I do and Damned if I don't!
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GeorgeGist
(25,311 posts)and became President.
War Horse
(931 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)the person that helped him is a Democrat. Excellent point although I see it went over the heads of some, too subtle I think.
And the one person that seriously pursued Bush's desertion lost his job. Nightly news hasn't been the same since. Well to tell the truth it wasn't the same even then, I think Cronkite would have skinned Jr. alive.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)These clowns sit twiddling their thumbs, no jobs bills, no unemployment bills, NOTHING. They wait until the President does ANYTHING, so they can complain, form committees, raise money for themselves. W did more damage than anyone even thought, apart from the wars. Once that dimwit was placed in the WH, the gop thought anyone of THEM should be President - even little Johnny McCain. President Obama has what is sadly lacking in the gop, INTELLIGENCE and CLASS. He is smarter than all of them put together.
pansypoo53219
(20,955 posts)throwing spit balls, pot shots, + grenades. all to make sure he is the LAST BLACK PRESIDENT! they must make him a FAILURE.
randys1
(16,286 posts)One of the top 5 best journalists of the 20th century, ruined by human feces like Karl Rove...
amazing
Cha
(296,868 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)on the battlefield. We already know that whistleblowing soldiers are despised by their former comrades in battle. They will attack Bergdhal now so that anything he says will be ignored or deplored. I know far a fact what some soldiers do in war and it ain't pretty and some even kill each other, cover it up, and move on. WAR IS HELL!!! I can't judge anyone for walking away, complaining about what fellow soldiers do or don't do. Keep out of unnecessary, evil war!!! Stop sending our children out there to suffer or be killed.
indosta
(1 post)We want to John MacEnroe president!!!
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)To limit to only singing the praises is as bad as those republic and whop look at Obama and only see the bad. I prefer the honesty of this group who see a whole person they respect enough to disagree with. There is not a person I have ever met that I agree with 100% and disagreeing on various minor points allows us to have an honest respectful relationship. The value of democrats is that, unlike republicans they can disagree and now walk in lock step and still be a group. Those in lock step are not marching over the cliff following their leaders blindly when they do not reflect what people really want.
Not criticizing someone when you think they are wrong is to accept them as a god, and there ain't no gods on earth. Let us be the people with logic and reason, open and honest.
madashelltoo
(1,694 posts)He can't do ANYTHING right. That's what's eating me. All of the young people who have been killed or their lives decimated for bullshit and it's crickets. If president Obama puts a stamp on an envelope . . . it's an impeachable offense.
I don't agree with him on everything either, but damn.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Prime example...
sheshe2
(83,655 posts)What is with people!
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)They still dont see themselves!
Vattel
(9,289 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)I think you might have to clarify that.
Pretty sure that's what you mean. 
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I can't stand the republicans whining about the things Obama does. They are always in the wrong or at least 99.5% of the time. They are corporate shills and backwards idiots whose only ideal is cash money. They are a national embarrassment and obstructing progress BUT I am also sick of people who say we can't criticize Obama policies we disagree with just because there are some jerks out there who are worse. This is an age old game to maintain the status quo and Obama has shown that he does it willingly even when the forces of conservatism don't have a say. NSA, FOIA and transparency, secret trade agreements, keeping Bush holdovers in the DEA and as DAs, supporting coups in Latin America, Asia and the Middle East, hiring lobbyists to every position, flip flopping on telecom immunity or myriad other corporate causes. I don't rail against him about irrelevant crap like republicans but I won't allow fellow democrats try to force me to get in line when it's been one betrayal after another all to please the same jerks we are complaining about. If someone tries to label me a libertarian because I don't support foreign wars, drug laws or mass surveillance then it just proves how weak some have become since adopting Bill Clinton's cozy up to corporations strategy. If people haven't noticed we lost our country a couple decades ago and have to deal with the corruption now...I suggest yes be mad at republicans but also accept they are almost beyond saving and try to get back to our left wing roots because being republican-lite or a hopeless moderate is why we are in this predicament to begin with. We didn't even have the courage to stand up to Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice over 911...I believe that's is when we pathetically lost our way.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)That is a fact...and it is played well, but the sad thing is that we lose every time.
And it seems like someone wants us to be what the GOP accuses us of being...Obama bots, that can never hear a bad word against him without going nuts on each other.
And the beginning of that OP set the rule....if you criticize Obama you are like the nutty people and the birth cirtificut...it is just another version of with us or against us refined by lumping.
How many times do we have to fall for that manipulation before we wise up to it?...and when will we stop doing it to ourselves?
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)We as Democrats need to realize when we are being manipulated. The ones that think we are being manipulated into criticizing Obama cannot see the Forrest through the trees. They cannot see the mountaintop because they are standing too close to it. Always stand up for principles like equality, diversity, freedom, human rights, liberty, compassion and peace.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)He is one of the most successful Democratic Presidents ever even with all the obstruction....AND you are calling those that stand up for him "manipulated"?
I think YOU are being manipulated by Libertarians....how do you like THOSE apples?
zeemike
(18,998 posts)"He is one of the most successful Republican Presidents ever even with all the obstruction....AND you are calling those that stand up for him "manipulated"?"
Would you call that statement someone who is manipulated by propaganda?
I would, because the facts remain he was not that great and no one is including Obama...and that over the top statement shows it.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)epic failure as an analogy!
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And a Conservative would tell you it was by majority vote under the rules of the electoral collage.
So it was a direct comparison...all I changed in that statement was the party.
I am quite sure you think that is the way to win, by defending it compleatly...but people see through that absolute loyality...and for good reason, and it diminishes the reputation of Democrats not enhances it...just as we see the GOP do the same thing with Bush.
Becoming like them will not win elections.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)do you KNOW how RARE that IS?
Apparently you do not!
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And they must be right because Bush served two terms and got every piece of legislation he wanted...which meant Democrats had to help him.
As opposed to now when Obama DID win by majority vote both times and had a mandate that he never used effectivly...and the Dems in congress let them get by with blocking everything.
And judging it on those results one would say that Bush was strong and Obama weak...but more broadly, that the Dems are weak and the GOP is strong...and that is not the position Dems want to be seen in if they are to win elections.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)sorry to burst your bubble!
Not once but TWICE!
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-03/final-tally-shows-obama-first-since-56-to-win-51-twice.html
Got it?
zeemike
(18,998 posts)I said that is what Conservatives will tell you.
My opinion is that the Bush election was stolen...both times...which would open me up to being a CTer then...because the official story is that he won both times.
But if it makes you feel better by all means chock it up as a bubble burst win.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)My winning bubbles are all intact....thanks for asking!
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Hes also better than Hannity and Rush and of course Jeb Bush. But I still can't wait to force the 80 year old Dianne Feinstein out of our party. She said yesterday she will vote against a similar bill in the Senate to the Houses bill to stop federal medical marijuana raids in states that legalized it. It's for the same reason she heavily defends NSA and supports NDAA. Her family is in the war/surveillance profiteering industry. They make too much money in it. We need less multi-millionaires who are tangled in these industry investments and hedge funds and more people who believe in people.
madashelltoo
(1,694 posts)However, it is an opinion. Mine. No, I don't agree with everything he says and does, but it is wearying to hear and see the level of disrespect President Obama has endured. I am not being manipulated by anyone.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)He certainly didn't create this corrupt system. I just am always hoping he does something about it and if he can't to vocally rally us to come to his side to help him He doesn't do that with the issues that disturb me the most. My take, and relax its just an opinion, is that he is afraid for whatever reason.
beerandjesus
(1,301 posts)
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Of course this is balanced out by the fact he a corporatist, TPP, NSA etc.
But you can't say he's done everything wrong.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Last edited Tue Jun 3, 2014, 07:38 PM - Edit history (1)
But the ones I care about most are seriously hurting. Getting out of Afghanistan is good but at this point it's such a huge failure even a republican president might draw dawn...we could never please the idiots in the house if representatives but they have turned into knuckle dragging cavemen erroneously quoting scripture to support any bat shit crazy injustice they can come up with.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)and UNPRECEDENTED whining from his own party and you have the most accomplished and under appreciated president since FDR
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I personally prefer Jimmy Carter and as years go by I do more and more. Never a bullet fired, lots of republican hate and obstruction too but not at the crazy caveman levels now and genuinely a good person that no sane person can contest. I personally like JFK the best but only post transformation which he was going through and stood up to the dark forces because of his transpersonal changes. RFK would've been our best. I believe presidents know better than to rock the boat now.
randys1
(16,286 posts)know he wasnt what we would call a liberal at all?
Not unlike Obama, Carter was mainstream and actually not the liberal I or probably you would have wanted.
Until a president puts top tax rates to 70%, initiates drastic protectionism creating manufacturing jobs here, and so on, we cant compare someone like Obama to not left enough as there is nothing more left ....
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)That was in regard to accomplishments. I honestly don't know the answer. I know Carter wasn't the ultra-left but we all have our pet issues. Mine is oppression. More than taxes although economic warfare is the purest form of oppression. I'm alarmed at the number of people in prison...mostly for drugs. I'm also alarmed at the police state build up and the perpetual war footing as well as the deception regarding the fake war on terror. And I'm a huge George Orwell and Franz Kafka fan so you know what that means...please stop recording everyone's conversations, texts and GPS coordinates and storing them. Trust me, when shit gets bad we will be the victims not republicans. Facebook announced that if you have their app on your phone and 90% of people under 40 do then they have had the mic on recording all "ambient" sounds near your phone within earshot to determine your musical tastes and personal habits. ie they are storing all conversations that are just near you or your friends phone. This is just too creepy for me and worse than Zuckerberg is the NSA using it for political leverage reasons or the DEA using it for routine criminal investigations. You can't even have a private sex life anymore.
treestar
(82,383 posts)to only finding fault and making it up where there is nothing there. Then when called out on that, play the victim, like we are saying nothing but praise. No, but we notice the people who CAN'T praise him on anything, ever.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)they criticize constantly....BUT "THEY" are the true Democrats...
randys1
(16,286 posts)A good friend of mine who post elsewhere remind people all the time that we knew who we were supporting and voting for, we know he was NOT a left wing liberal, that he was a moderate very much like others like Gore or whatever.
When Obama campaigned he said what he would do, he has done most of that, none of what he said was LEFT extreme, remember that even ACA is not left extreme.
A mainstream Democrat like Clinton or even Carter comes along but he is Black and all of a sudden he is suppose to become a radical (we wish of course) and fix 200 yrs of bullshit created by white people.
Now, I think OBama personally would like to be more left, but he cant, look at the trouble he gets when he wants to do basic stuff, hell his wife says nutrition is good and the entire rightwing attacks her...
I am sick of it and I bet he is too.
Look...I love commondreams.org and support a bit more of their views but I never comment. I only read. Why? Because we all agree and it's preaching to the choir. I assume it's a given we don't support republican policies here...Especially given how extreme they've gotten. They have gone over the edge. I comment here and challenge myself and others because the republicans extremism has successfully moved the center too far to the right and I find that personally unacceptable as do many others. We are simply trying to dissuade people from allowing this to further worsen. We all get mad when we see the results so it's time to not be so thin skinned and accept some lively discussion in my humble opinion. I've helped with countless democratic campaigns so I know I've earned my stripes and will get offended when someone questions my credentials.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)because they don't measure up to their fantasy land pie in the sky ideals that you CAN'T get done UNLESS we elect a Democratic House AND control the Senate.
Until we do that....they will never be satisfied. So what is their solution? Bash Democrats for not being Left enough suppress the vote even farther by constantly repeating the Republican meme that "both parties are the same"....but they have NO Candidates themselves!
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)That logic is so faulty I can't even begin to explain. Sounds like you won't be happy until tomorrow's democrat is like today's republican. We did have control of the house and senate, remember? Obama decided to play polite like you want but it didn't work. He needs to use the bully pulpit to rally his troops. I never said both parties are the same but I will say again it's centrists making the mistakes and diluting our message. And by the way we can accomplish a lot outside of the senate or house so please stop trying to discourage my people from fighting for real change at the grass roots level. Are you against that too? Perhaps you want us to just accept republican demands so we all get along. Believe me in districts that aren't gerrymandered beyond description we can elect non-corporate very liberal democrats too. I've seen it. Those in the club may not prefer it but we are by far the majority now but election shenanigans and diluted leadership that cozies up to the likes of BP, Comcast, Monsanto and AT&T have prevented it. And by the way, true leaders are never satisfied. The best artists or musicians are never satisfied, the truest of any discipline is never satisfied...they always want to improve and make things better. They know when you get to comfortable that's the danger. I'll support Elizabeth Warren...oh wait you gleefully remind me all the time she's not running. I don't have your answer at the executive level then...yet. But where I come from we actually do elect good progressives at the house and senate level and I hate to disappoint you but they are successfully opposing NSA and the encroaching surveillance state. They also are putting the drug war behind us and dont vote for wars. I'm happy with them and I will support them if they run for President. I wish Paul Wellstone wasn't killed or that Russ Feingold ran. I ignore naysayers who complain we need centrists. We need common sense reasonable people who haven't been co-opted. I recall in 2004 these same centrists saying we needed a war hero like Kerry and that a Black man couldn't get elected for another 20 years. Well Kerry lost (debatable) and Obama won easily in 2008 so try to think dynamically. Granted a ham sandwich could've won after 8 years of that lowlife Bush but I've seen enough elections and naysayers to know anything can happen. If not then you are implying everything is predecided and I can't see you admitting that. We are all on the same side I'm assuming so don't worry it will be other names people are debating later. Debating is healthy. It's what we are supposed to do. I would love to see a Udall, Warren, Merkely, Wyden, or Grayson run.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I supported the twice elected by majority vote Democratic President and still do....that's MY logic.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Nothing I say is fighting against Obama. Don't you recall that the mantra is that he doesn't simply run the government because of previously entrenched power structures and we all have to carry on the good fight ourselves? If mentioning Obama is this distracting I will encourage everyone to focus on policies and not personalities by name. I wish that those who are so enamored with our current state try to influence a few corrections. Maybe get rid of the lobbyists at FCC and finally get rid of Bush holdovers in other unnamed agencies.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)
Squinch
(50,918 posts)leaders do and either support them or not.
I love this president, but for example, I think his education policy is all kinds of idiotic.
Love this carbon emissions plan.
Hate that he didn't fight harder for single payer.
Bringing home a POW? Ending two wars?
The grace and intelligence he has shown in the situation you describe as him being "President of Damned if I do and Damned if I don't!"
I agree with you about those in the grip of Obama Derangement Syndrome, especially those who fall into the subset of Bigoted Obama Derangement Syndrome, but he told us, "Hold my feet to the fire." I respect him enough to take him at his word on that.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)
yellowcanine
(35,694 posts)Assholes like Lindsey Graham would not have kept their mouths shut.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Looked fine to me.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)I totally support human rights, but that never even occurred to me until you pointed it out.
Context is everything.
One might as well see bigotry when someone sings "don we now our gay apparel" in December, or become angry at Nabisco for calling some of their products "crackers".
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)The sock puppet articles in NYT said that is a disruptive tactic. Turn the discussion profane and make it about personal issues or anything else like senseless back and forth over form or other irrelevant things. Anyone who uses Jew as a verb here or even worse Queer because that is a slur used twice as a verb is either woefully ignorant or most definitely not a liberal. Me thinks thou dost protest too much. Colors shine through. Most people would've flagged that. You're lucky some people prefer sunshine disinfectant to censoring.
yellowcanine
(35,694 posts)This kind of objection simplifies the language to the point of banality as a result of lack of knowledge of the richness of the English language. Using a word in its correct context should not be disallowed just because people are not aware of the correct context. The word "queer" and its verb form "queered" had established meanings long before it was used as a derogatory term for sexual orientation. By your standards all kinds of legitimate words would no longer be allowed -
gay
faggot
cracker
coon (raccoon)
monkey
ape
gorilla
bitch (female dog)
You get the idea. Do you really want to go there?
TM99
(8,352 posts)but not so much that we abuse it.
Queer as a verb in this context means to spoil or ruin an agreement, deal, situation, etc. Perhaps it is more common in the UK with British English, however, it is not a homophobic slur used as it was in this sentence.
yellowcanine
(35,694 posts)quit using a word just because it has taken on a new meaning.
TM99
(8,352 posts)devoid of beautiful and unique words. It has been dumbed down so much over the last few decades not just for these kinds of reasons but many others. My parents were college English professors and my father was also a linguist.
Sure language evolves and cultural usage plays a part, and we do not need to loose the richness of it at the extreme.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)but rather a cultural attempt to do away with words that may offend others. We can be sensitive to bigotry and discrimination without reducing English to a high school text speak influenced level.
yellowcanine
(35,694 posts)More like elementary school text speak. The English language is a rich and beautiful language if we don't stifle its use with arbitrary rules based on cultural misunderstanding.
TM99
(8,352 posts)
yellowcanine
(35,694 posts)Why don't you make an argument to defend your take on this instead of throwing out slogans in the reply title?
Alternatively, please alert on my post and let the jury decide whether my use of "queered" is offensive. If they vote it down I will delete it.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)wish to remove it, then let it stand.
yellowcanine
(35,694 posts)"homophobic slur" then I should remove it. You can't just throw out charges like that and then say, "never mind, I am merely asking." Again, you are not willing to make a cogent argument as to why this was a "homophobic slur." "Language evolves" doesn't cut it.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)ethnic one.
kinda like this...
http://jezebel.com/oklahoma-republican-says-the-words-jew-me-down-on-the-477494313
If you don't agree with me, that's fine.
An FYI...I once posted a transphobic slur. I didn't think it was a slur, either. But instead of alerting on me, another DUer simply asked me to reconsider my usage and to think on using it again. It was worth listening to.
yellowcanine
(35,694 posts)Or use the term welsh rarebit or welsh rabbit meaning a dish made with a savory sauce of melted cheese and various other ingredients and served hot, after being poured over slices ..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_rarebit
There is a difference there even if you don't see it.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)As a positive descriptor, I see nothing wrong with Jewish apple cake.
Like I said, you don't have to edit. But I wonder why you are defending it so much.
yellowcanine
(35,694 posts)And now you are saying "never mind." As I said, not good enough. Sorry you can't see that but it is your problem, not mine. Defending myself against an accusation of using a "homophobic slur" is not the issue here. The issue is thinking that you can just fire off accusations like this in reply titles without even making an argument and then say "never mind" when someone objects.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)wish to edit it, then that is your choice.
I still think it is a homophobic slur. You may not agree. I make no representations as to your intent, either.
And I've made my argument. You do not agree. That is your right.
yellowcanine
(35,694 posts)You are right. I do not agree with your take. The way that is settled on DU is for someone to alert on the relevant post and let the jury decide.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)They are sent to distract. This one messed up but their ego made them double down. You couldn't pay me to believe they are actually a liberal or democrat. They only want us to support Obama as long as he supports wars or NSA or other republican pet issues Obama has gone along with.
yellowcanine
(35,694 posts)ruined it."??? Since some people have made "monkey" into a derogatory term for African Americans, we can never use it as a verb? Just want to see how far you are willing to take this reasoning.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)“I do, I do,” Trump said. “And I think that they did…a lot of monkey business. I’m telling you, in a month and a half from now, they will do a readjustment like has been happening for the last year and a half. They will do a readjustment and the number will be 8.2 or more.”
When pressed on whether he really thought President Barack Obama’s administration cooked the numbers, Trump doubled down.
“Everyone knows he didn’t want to lay off certain workers in certain categories, and that’s been well-documented and well-reported that he didn’t want to lay off certain workers in certain categories until after the election,” Trump said. “I mean, that’s monkeying with the numbers.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82132.html#ixzz33aiqoIHH
Of course, Trump was still smarting over being roasted at the SOTU, over his racist birther antics:
yellowcanine
(35,694 posts)And there is zero evidence that he was. Anyway, "monkeyed with the numbers" is a perfectly acceptable substitution for "cooked the books." The offensive thing Trump did was not that he used that particular language, it was that he accused the Obama administration of manipulating economic data for political purposes. You are really reaching here.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Still think he doesn't know what he's saying? Still think his birther crap wasn't deliberate dogwhistling????
yellowcanine
(35,694 posts)I was referring specifically to the use of "monkey" as a verb in response to your post about it. It does not follow that because Trump likely is a racist and sometimes uses racist language that he did in this instance. Try to keep up.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)You know what you were saying.
randys1
(16,286 posts)yellowcanine
(35,694 posts)wise and in this case in particular, in case you hadn't noticed. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Really. It is pathetic that I even have to explain it. I knew what I was saying - yes, using a word in perfectly appropriate context and that is all. Jesus H. Christ. If you thought otherwise that is YOUR problem, not mine.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Hardly a scathing criticism.
yellowcanine
(35,694 posts)Calling it “a great week for the Taliban,” South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham on Monday sharply criticized the Obama administration for its high-profile prisoner swap of “five high-ranking Taliban leaders” in exchange for American prisoner of war Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl.
“In effect, we released the ‘Taliban Dream Team,’” Graham wrote in a letter to the chairman and ranking member of the Senate Committee on Armed Services. “The United States is less safe because of these actions.”
In his letter, Graham, a Republican, called on the Armed Services Committee to convene “an immediate hearing” on the exchange.
“The five terrorists released were the hardest of the hard-core,” Graham said. “They held positions of great importance within the hard-core anti-American Taliban, including the Chief of Staff of the Taliban Army and the Taliban Deputy Minister of Intelligence. They have American blood on their hands and surely as night follows day they will return to the fight.”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/02/lindsey-graham-obama-released-the-taliban-dream-team/#ixzz33h2uxsbX
By the way, here is the whole quote you cited:
According to Graham, Obama is simply using a military tradition to justify his actions.
“To me, he’s just trying to justify his decision based on a time honored military tradition,” the South Carolinian said. “It just really doesn’t sit well with me.”
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/06/03/Graham-Obama-s-Bergdahl-Justification-to-Leave-No-Man-Behind-Hallow-Given-Lack-Of-Action-In-Benghazi
Puts it in a little different light from your cherry picked quote, doesn't it?
Still think Lindsey Graham does not deserved to be singled out for his criticism of Obama on this?
yellowcanine
(35,694 posts)Maybe you haven't noticed but most DUers do not look to that very right wing site for quotes.
Might want to check your shoes because you just stepped in a big old cow pie. Congratulations, or something.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)I'm curious.
Iggo
(47,535 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)Then he turned his back on his platform and his supporters and threw them under the bus. Repeatedly. It wasn't that he scaled them down, no; he abandoned them, and us, the American 99%. Repeatedly.
He squandered every opportunity, asset, and resource at his command. He put crooks and fools like Eric Holder and Timothy Geithner into powerful positions and let them go wild and free bailing out banks and banksters. For 5.5 years, if there was a choice, he took the easy way, not the right way. He worried far more about what Goldman Sachs would think, than what the foot soldiers who cast their money and votes at him thought.
This soldier is the first one he actually got right. I guess 5.5 years of practice are finally paying off. Or maybe he got a chance to rebel against the people who bought him, like Penny Pritzer, ensconced as Secretary of Commerce and making a complete fool of herself. God knows what criminality she's up to...no one has checked, yet.
...and then, there's the anti-concussion campaign. Of course, there is NO pro-concussion faction....
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)and I am going to presume that you were on this site 6 years ago and saw the posts and the comments.
If not, reply, and I will dig up a few hundred. So that we may be discussing the topic with common knowledge.
On edit:
Ah, I see you joined in 2011. So you would have missed all that historical record of the DU site from 2007 and up to 2011.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I don't recall then Candidate/Senator Obama posting anything to DU.
I did see, however, a lot of people projecting whatever progressive fantasy they held onto Candidate Obama's platform.
And when he, with an obstructionist Congress, didn't get to their particular issue, quickly enough, or didn't address the issue in they way they thought he should've, they (particularly the younger among us) abandoned the Democratic party, leading to 2010 and an even more obstructionist Congress.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)unless you were tombstoned and had to return under a different name.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)back in 2002 or 2003. The first time because I got tired of white people telling PoC what was and what wasn't racist and "legitimate" Discrimination. The was PPR'd in 2010, for taking an ill-advised stance on Zionism, as an expression of European white supremacy.
So yes ... I was here in 2007.
FSogol
(45,452 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)3 years later and still no proof of their crimes.
That looks like a betrayal to me.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)They were subpoenaed to appear in Chicago. The antiwar protesters told the FBI to fuck off and ignored the subpoenas twice. It took a year to get their property back(including the computer that contained fundraising lists for the antiwar committee). They even took children's drawings off the frig.
Cha
(296,868 posts)happy and proud he's the President. Thank you, Obama.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)but not all of us are. It's a struggle to pay bills for many, many of us, and it's really been no different in that regard with this administration than it was during the previous one.
840high
(17,196 posts)Cha
(296,868 posts)to help us out in so many ways.. on the front lines fighting those teabagger a$$holes who would take away Everything from the People and give it to the kochroaches.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)and minimum wage increases.
You should direct your anger where it belongs.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)But his foreign policy is continuing Bush's and republicans will fight for their pet issues like oil wars, NSA surveillance and NDAA. They will attack democrats and try to bully them into supporting these things even if Obama stops going along with them. They will even feign some support for the issues you mention just to get you to agree to the foreign policy part which at this point I assume Obama probably just feels powerless. We actually have people on this threading arguing in triplicate that queering is a verb and ok to use. They said faggot, coon and bitch are ok and used the argument that about a female dog. Someone needs to reign their asses in...I'm sorry but real discussion gets muddled and some people seems to do it on purpose...all personal and no arguments on policy.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)I can say that little has changed. I am applying for SNAP for my family soon, my wife lost her job and we cannot make ends meet and we are already trimmed down as much as we can be. We have a caseworker now just to handle the employee cases.
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)It could have been 1%er Nitwit Mittens...or some other Puke.
stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)joc46224
(62 posts)I'm tired of the constant complaining, one-upmanship, false scandals, finger pointing, etc. going on in Washington in general, not just against the President but against anything one side or the other does. Like all the latest crap that the Republican's are trying to throw against Hillary for example. I'm just tired of every single issue being seen through the lens of partisan politics and how can we spin this to make our side look good and the other side look bad? The politicians in Washington seemed to have completely lost touch with what goes on outside their bubble and everything is about their side "winning". Just govern, please!
I don't know, maybe it's always been this bad and I just haven't noticed because when I was younger I couldn't have cared less about politics. All I know is that I've got politics fatigue right now. All the posturing, faux outrage, bloviating....ugh.
Martin Eden
(12,847 posts)I clicked on this thread thinking the president was complaining about stuff. 
onecaliberal
(32,784 posts)I am so glad someone else said what I have been thinking for so long!!!
mstinamotorcity2
(1,451 posts)we all will complain. When he does something he tries to insure that most of the collective body is receiving. Everything we want must be legislated in. Seems as if we want it, we need to put a Congress in that can get it. And hold their feet to the fire.
hue
(4,949 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)But FUCK NO!
Lifelong Democrat here, and I'm tired of the wishy washy third way ...
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)
ailsagirl
(22,887 posts)I think the President has done a remarkable job, considering the odds he's been up against. I feel bad that he's had to deal with so much utter crap since he became President but what can you do? What can you expect from a bunch of ignorant ninnies??
samplegirl
(11,464 posts)Mitt, or Sarah & John! Yeah we all would of been farting through silk!
840high
(17,196 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)They were even worse when Clinton was president, accusing him of mass murder and going after Christmas card lists.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)For the most part, he simply chooses not to do those things.
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)thought he would. It's not only what he hasn't done, it's what he has done that so
many seem to be oblivious. I saw a list on Youtube of executive orders that is truly
scary in the sense of power grabbing. Then I think of the NDAA and the renewal of
the Patriot Act and I am truly frightened for our future. Time will tell.
Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)Then NO, I am NOT tired!
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)place....got tired of that bullshit!
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)Cha
(296,868 posts)gawd damn thing.. that's their fucking problem.
TheKentuckian
(25,020 posts)The "adult in the room" shit is a humbug.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Do you accept drone attacks on countries we are not at war with? I do not.
Do you accept mass surveillance? I do not.
doxydad
(1,363 posts)Voted for him twice, he's doing the best job possible since he has the obstructionists, racists and oligarchists coming at him at every angle. History wuill show him to be one of the BEST. God bless President Obama!
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)I'm tired of apologism for, entrenchment of, and extension of policies that all Democrats despised under Bush.
I am tired of mass surveillance, drone wars, drilling and fracking, indefinite detention, bogus wars on terror, "Kill Lists," corporate education policy, austerity, telecom immunity, letting criminal bankers walk free, wars on the poor and marijuana users and immigrants, prisons and schools for profit, crony appointments, assaults on journalism and whistleblowers, assaults on protesters, assaults on our Constitution.
Most of all, I am tired of having to fight them under a Democratic administration that promised change.
I am tired of a corrupt electoral system and government that feeds me corporate bullshit no matter which party I work to elect.
And I am tired of the incessant, insulting propaganda telling me that what I see with my own eyes isn't happening.
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Money still trumps peace.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)
Maven
(10,533 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts) 
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)“You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.”
― Abbie Hoffman
madashelltoo
(1,694 posts)
arthritisR_US
(7,283 posts)he gets up each morning breathing I expect will become another point of contention for them.
I am bloody amazed that he has been able to get anything accomplished given the whiney, infantile turds he's had to deal with since day one.
"Support the troops, leave no soldier behind" blah blah blah...we hear it all the time and when the President honours those words with deeds they crap all over him. They make me sick 
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Republicans complain about everything a Democratic President does in order to bring down favorability of the party they are in opposition to. Democrats complain about everything a Republican President does in order to bring down favorability of the party they are in opposition to.
Amazing revelation. While those two sentence don't hold true at every turn, they do hold true an overwhelming majority of the time.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)of these CONSTANT attacks REGARDLESS of what he does. I used to post much more here but my level of IRE increases to an unbearable height each and every day that I fear I could post something that might land me in real hot water!!
I've stopped trying to understand this insanity. I admit I don't agree with everything President Obama does, it would be more insane if ANYONE does, but the RIGHT WING NUTS & STUPID Repuke Pundits seem DELUSIONAL. I could go on and on with words to define what I think of this constant MANTRA of IDIOCY, but it's best I don't!
What I feel about America these days can't be put into words, other than "this is NOT the country I grew up in!" Since I feel my words could be tracked, I think it's better I say less than more!
How many ways can one define INSANITY?? And the people who actually think they are SANE walking, running and MARCHING around BLOWING CRAP up people's A--ES! I've always tried not to use the word HATE, but it's becoming harder and harder to hold myself in check. I have a sister who I love & actually get along with very well, but when she calls me from Texas where she lives it's getting very difficult for me to answer. We have to avoid politics while conversing, but the bile in my stomach has built to such a high level I fear I may "go off" on her!!
I have to confess that I've gotten out old bumper stickers with the intent of making several of my own by cutting letters from them, but then I risk getting pulled over and hauled off to jail! My imagination runs WILD! WAKE UP AMERICA, is simply much too lame. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. I no longer wish for something to change, I live in some sort of FEAR that more of these MORANS will get elected!
SO, SO SICK!!
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)making EVERY discussion a "FOR" or "AGAINST" Obama thing? That gets us nowhere...or is that possibly the goal...to get nowhere? Can't get beyond the finger pointing because that's better than the alternative which is actively discussing policy.
madashelltoo
(1,694 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)And they have a history of success using negative campaigns.
I blame Newt. You can trace ALL of this shit back to when he came out with his "word list" and got a bunch of assholes elected. Over time those assholes rose within the ranks to leadership positions.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4443.htm
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)phoenixpcrod
(9 posts)Could not agree more. I remember the previous administration that had the world believing the Americans were stupid. If we had a congress we would be in pretty damned good shape by now!
Rex
(65,616 posts)You can almost set your time by it.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)He is the President, dontchaknow
