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Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts) Fri Mar 30, 2012, 03:02 PM Mar 2012

PHOTO: Oh, no. No, no, NO. President Santorum will have NONE of THIS.

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PHOTO: Oh, no. No, no, NO. President Santorum will have NONE of THIS. (Original Post) Amerigo Vespucci Mar 2012 OP

Oh no! Kids on puppets?!! lunatica Mar 2012 #1

Well, if you don't sin, Jesus died for nothing. Atman Mar 2012 #2

No, no, you see, ithinkmyliverhurts Mar 2012 #6

Or we sin apart. Lint Head Mar 2012 #3

BWAH! Gold Metal Flake Mar 2012 #4

that's the man-on-muppet sex he's always talking about IcyPeas Mar 2012 #5

lunatica

(53,410 posts)

1. Oh no! Kids on puppets?!!

Reply to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Fri Mar 30, 2012, 03:04 PM

Mar 2012

Where will the sex end?!

Atman

(31,464 posts)

2. Well, if you don't sin, Jesus died for nothing.

Reply to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Fri Mar 30, 2012, 03:13 PM

Mar 2012

Just sayin.'

ithinkmyliverhurts

(1,928 posts)

6. No, no, you see,

Reply to Atman (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 30, 2012, 06:43 PM

Mar 2012

because Adam sinned, he passed his guilt onto all of us, and because we aren't worthy enough to atone for that sin, Jesus must come and atone for us. We then have to give him honor so that's passed onto God. So we really have nothing to do with this. You can sin because that's all your equipped to do. You just have to believe in Jesus. How to believe? Well, you must have Grace to do this? Where does one get this Grace? Well, God gives it to you. It seems we're just middle-men in this ongoing divine transaction between God and himself.

So one need not sin; one has always already always been sinning.

***NB: the preceding soteriological narrative is found only in Saint Anselm, Luther, somewhat in Aquinas, and on steroids in Calvin.