WTF? Even Alex Jones is Ready for Warren™

[MannyGoldstein]

My head exploded when I saw this video yesterday: Alex Jones, long a rabid enemy of Senator Warren, is now praising her! She's a "genuine person", showing a clip of her appearance on the Daily Show. "She's been coming up with pretty good reforms".

HUH? ALEX JONES? WHA?

It might that Mr. Jones has been dabbling in hallucinogenics or has had a brain injury, but here's how I see it:

America's 99% know that we're getting horribly assaulted and abused by the Predator Class and their paid politicians. It's taken 30 years, but finally almost all of us agree on this.

The thing we don't agree with are the way forward.

Some, like Jones and his followers, have a notion that America was at its greatest when we all ran around with guns, paid no taxes, and had few laws, that we need to return to that state that never actually existed.

Liberals, on the other hand, believe that America was at its greatest when government was run on Liberal principles - we had fair laws that were fairly enforced, the Predator Class was kept in check and taxed fairly, and supporting (not devouring) the 99% was our government's focus. Unlike Jones' crew, we Liberals have actual facts and history to back us up.

Unlike most other Democrats, Elizabeth Warren is a Liberal with a message that appeals to all Americans who will listen a bit:

1. She admits that things are a disaster today.
2. She admits that both political parties have caused this disaster, that they are both in the pocket of the Predator Class. Without this admission, no political candidate has a shred of credibility today. None.
3. She calls things as they are. "'Chained CPI' is just a fancy way to say 'cut benefits for seniors, the permanently disabled, and orphans'." "If JPMorgan is so happy with their settlements that they are rewarding their CEO with a big raise, do you really think the federal bank regulators were tough enough?".
4. She focuses on, and fights for, the needs of everyday people, of the 99%, and doesn't give a shred of credence to the utter bullshit about Job Creators and trickle down. "Trickle down doesn't work. Never did". She's floated a $22 an hour minimum wage and wants to put bankers that break the law in jail. None of this "too big to prosecute" stuff for Warren.

And she does this all with a grace, a calm fury, and a poetry that only the most demented Predators cannot admire.

We've been fooled before by candidates who talk "Middle Class" then walk "Predator Class". But Warren seems to not be that: she's been saying the right thing rather than the expedient thing for decades, and has a deep track record of action.

Alex Jones finally shut the @#$% up, listened, got an inkling of what he was missing before, and possibly for the first time ever said nice things about a Liberal. That may change tomorrow, but it's still pretty amazing. The same is happening with my Republican friends: they're starting to listen to Warren, too. Not fully converted, but ready for a conversation. And if Liberals can just get a conversation started among the 99%, we'll win every single time, because the facts and evidence are entirely on our side.

I believe that Senator Warren has no equal in either political party in the ability to excite and attract voters across the spectrum. To the degree that we support her, we can win back our country.

[think]

1. American really needs more leaders like Elizabeth Warren

Let's hope more politicians follow her lead to speak the truth plainly and work to level the playing field.....

[JDPriestly]

2. I agree 100%. So do some of my friends.

I urge all DUers to read Elizabeth Warren't book, A Fighting Chance.

Her life story is moving. And it leaves no doubt about her genuine dedication to representing and fighting for the middle class.

We have bought 6 copies and are reading one, and handing out the rest. We have never done anything like that before.

We don't have much time and we need to organize a movement to draft Elizabeth Warren to run for president in 2016. Please do what you can to help. Start by reading the book.

Sorry if I sound bossy, but this is about saving our country and our democracy.

[Le Taz Hot]

9. I'm right in the middle of it.

I even played hooky from work yesterday because I couldn't stop reading. She's a "pull up my sleeves and get it done" kinda gal when she sees something that needs fixing. I can easily see that parlaying into a presidential bid.

[JDPriestly]

38. And she spares no egos, not even her own.

What a breath of fresh air.

[GoneFishin]

3. Actions are important, not team jersey colors. He's right in this instance. Good.

If he can get a few of his listeners to stop and pay attention, then good.

[Enrique]

4. i'm more interested what you say about Warren

than what Alex Jones says.

You are saying what you think, Jones is cultivating his career.

[MannyGoldstein]

6. Still an interesting move

A quick look at the Internets indicates that he made many of his minions extremely upset with that clip. If it's just because Jones sees the winds starting to shift, it's a pretty good indication that they are.

[Mnpaul]

42. Warren is planting ideas that resonate across the spectrum

Everyone is sick and tired of being screwed over by these aholes. Even Judge Napolitano and Stuart Varney hear things they like:

[ProSense]

19. Wait

"i'm more interested what you say about Warren than what Alex Jones says. You are saying what you think, Jones is cultivating his career."

...you don't think hyping Jones is a good move?

I mean, don't you see Jones pushing for Warren 2016? You don't think if she runs, he'll be right there promoting her candidacy?

Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones: Democratic Party now KKK, government ‘hands out spoils based on skin color’
http://thegrio.com/2014/03/03/tucker-carlson-alex-jones-democratic-party-now-kkk-government-hands-out-spoils-based-on-skin-color/

[JDPriestly]

39. The point is that Elizabeth Warren's tough, spare no egos approach to politics works with

people on the right, on the left and in the center.

If you read her book, you will understand that those who are asking her whether she is running for president are asking the wrong question.

Elizabeth Warren is, underneath it all, not motivated by winning in politics, by upstaging someone else or just running for office to prove something. She is interested in fighting for the middle class and for a fairer economy in which everyone gets a chance to live reasonably well and do what they can do well.

You just have to read her book.

Elizabeth Warren is a very positive, go-getter doer. If the Democratic Party urges her to run, she will run. If not she will do what she can to help the middle class in America wherever she is.

I want her to become president in 2016. She will return D.C. to the American people. She will put an end to the partisan politics. She will be good for America.

You just have to read her book.

If our nation is to have a healthy future, we need to elect Elizabeth Warren in 2016. She is not corrupt. But asking her whether she is running is a waste of time. That's not the way she thinks. But her appeal will be so strong and so universal that she can get elected no matter what. As I said, her message is compelling for both Democrats and Republicans. Republicans will like her command of facts and numbers (whether they understand her numbers or not) and her down-to-earth language and common sense. Democrats will love her heart which is really with the American people. I love the book, really love the book, carry it with me and talk about it with as many people I can -- just random people I meet on trains and in other places. No one has told me I am a nut or refused to talk to me -- so far. Truly, truly I think I have a bit of a woman to woman crush on Elizabeth Warren. She just has so much integrity. I'm sure that is where the cynics will try to push her. I don't think they will have any success with their push though. She is the real deal.

[quinnox]

5. Hell, Clive Bundy recently was overheard saying -

"Let me tell you something, pardner, she may be a woman, but Elizabeth Warren ain't half bad, she's got a good head on her shoulders."

Gasps of horror were then heard among his fellow rednecks/Klansmen.

[CANDO]

7. Yeah...oh boy...I have family who have Infowars bumper stickers.

And we don't agree on anything political or economically. I don't know if it is even possible to forge a partnership with these folks. They are by and large Teabaggers, and to see Alex Jones pay respect to Elizabeth Warren just blows me away and I don't see Teabaggers suddenly crossing over into something they've always described as marxist and socialist policies.

[MannyGoldstein]

34. Isn't this clip the craziest thing?

Those folks are known for crazy, but not this kind of crazy.

Totally blew my mind. Took me a day to even partially process it.

[Le Taz Hot]

8. I don't know from Alex Jones

but I've been saying this all along -- that Elizabeth Warren appeals to ALL the 99%, regardless of D, R, I, TP, etc. Goddess I hope she runs! If she runs, she wins and she wins big time. Her biggest enemy will not be the Republicans but the corpro-Dems. They're terrified of her and you know that because the Party Faithful on DU will give you 365,206 reasons why she can't POSSIBLY win the General so we must go with 1% Hillary. Bullshit!

[Dragonfli]

12. I believe you are right about the "corp-dems" here, their handlers stationed in the

banker funded offices of the Third Way propaganda tank came out against her strong via targeted op eds and articles a while ago and will only continue with the attack.

Naturally their useful idiot brigade here and elsewhere have their marching orders as outlined by such guiding rhetoric and have chosen the "inevitability of EW failure and HRC assured victory" meme and are running loudly with it. They see her as a danger and that tells me they know she has a good chance even against their well funded cast of corporate puppets.

[Mnpaul]

43. They are worried

They have little or no poo to fling at Warren. She knows her stuff and isn't afraid to share it or call them out on their factless claims.

[BrotherIvan]

46. What baffles me is the strongest/loudest Hillary supporters now

were the loudest & most hateful towards her in 2008. How is that possible?

[Dragonfli]

47. I haven't really seen that trend here, but if it exists

it is likely due to the fact that centrists have no actual principles, they just follow the money. They were against all the things Bush was doing that Obama is doing now - back when Bush was in office, but now have done a 180 because those that profit from those policies now prosper their candidates and organizations rather than the GOP's.

They just follow the money and want their slice of pie, if they had principles there would be no such easy 180s. Perhaps they feel Hillary will be the one to bring in the big banker, military, NSA, and corporate bucks the next go around and are simply trying to hitch their wagons early.

[BrotherIvan]

50. Yes, it is all about winning

I do not believe 95% of the sycophants are paid ops. But I do believe they like backing a "winner" no matter who it is (hence the Chris Christie coziness). They do not see politicians as civil servants whose job it is to make the government work for the people of this country. They see it as a kind of teen beat love affair. I don't think Hillary will invoke the kind of swooning and Beatles-style shrieking that Obama has.

[chrisa]

10. Ever since Rand Paul was revealed as a corporate kiss ass, the Libertarians have been lost puppies.

Some still cling to Ron Paul in a misguided hope that he can get more than .05% in an election, while others have simply given up, stepping back into their Cheeto-dusted dens laying in wait for the next John Galt to bring them to the promised land.

[bvar22]

11. Building Momentum?

I hope so.
I don't believe the Working Class could survive another 1% 3rd Way Centrist.



[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font][/center] [center] [/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]

[Dragonfli]

13. The working class is not surviving this one

[MannyGoldstein]

16. I'm with Ben and Franklin on this.

Ben: "We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."
Franklin: "The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself."

99% of Americans are on our side: if we unite, we win.

[ProSense]

14. Fuck Alex Jones. n/t

[MannyGoldstein]

26. My favorite video of all time

[ProSense]

28. Good for you. Let me ask:

Do think hyping Jones is a good move?

Do see Jones pushing for Warren 2016? Do you if she runs, he'll be right there promoting her candidacy?

Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones: Democratic Party now KKK, government ‘hands out spoils based on skin color’
http://thegrio.com/2014/03/03/tucker-carlson-alex-jones-democratic-party-now-kkk-government-hands-out-spoils-based-on-skin-color/

[MannyGoldstein]

30. I don't see it as hyping Jones.

I don't expect that DU readers will read this and think "Hey, Alex Jones is OK!".

[ProSense]

31. OK,

"I don't expect that DU readers will read this and think 'Hey, Alex Jones is OK!'. "

...now the other questions, based on the title of your OP: Do see Jones pushing for Warren 2016? Do you if she runs, he'll be right there promoting her candidacy?

I'm interested in what Warren has to say.

Elizabeth Warren: What happened to the middle class?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024911911

Why does what Alex Jones, a despicable fuck, has to say about her matter?

[MannyGoldstein]

32. I doubt that Jones will push for Warren

But if it were Warren vs. Romney (or similar)... who knows? The title was just my man-bites-dog amplification.

I think it merely demonstrates Warren's amazing ability to attract so much positive interest from across the spectrum of voters. And she's only been in office about a year!

[ProSense]

35. "But if it were Warren vs. Romney (or similar)... who knows?"

Really?

Again, this is simply hyping this lunatic for no apparent reason. I mean, he will not support a Democrat, even Warren, for President.

He is not having an epiphany. He's a lunatic whose mouth is moving.

[MannyGoldstein]

36. Noted.

We'll just have to disagree on this one.

[JDPriestly]

40. But again, PS, you are asking the wrong question.

The question is not whether Jones would support Warren for president. The question is whether Jones would support either Hillary or Warren for president?

He probably would not support either of them but he would show more respect for Warren than for Hillary. That is because Warren is very clearly not sold out to either the 1% or to the usual D.C. crowd that is proudly and vainly running our country into a ditch. Hillary is sold out to that obnoxious, arrogant, self-satisfied bunch of fools.

So the question is not whether Jones will support either Warren or Hillary but how he will respond when Warren is the Democratic candidate and at his first criticism of her, we Warren supporters remind the public of the video posted in the OP. That video is a trump card.

Read Warren's book before you diss her. She could care less what anyone says about her or to her. She is going to do her utmost to do what is right for the American people. That's the bottom line. There is nothing beyond that. I don't think the same can be said for Hillary.

In her book, Warren tells the truth about her experience with some of the Clinton and Obama favorites. Suffice it to say, she tells us about them in a voice and in language that is unmistakably honest. No reason to doubt the veracity in what she says. Warren's book is not an attack on Hillary. They are probably on good terms. But Warren tells the truth about some of the Clinton favorites. She allows those favorites and the words and actions those favorites have used and done to condemn those favorites themselves.

I'm sure you will love the book. At least so far, I have not found any anti-Hillary language. But she tells what happened when she was on the COP that was supposed to oversee the bail-out in 2008 and after. Her accounts are obviously accurate. They pretty much reveal the perverted loyalties of some of the Clinton and Obama friends. Warren takes no prisoners.

Warren is one tough chick as we used to say.

[MannyGoldstein]

41. That post is a thing of beauty.

Thank you.

[ProSense]

45. Actually, it's a confusing mess, basically using my comment as an excuse to ramble. n/t

[ProSense]

44. Please,

"The question is not whether Jones would support Warren for president. The question is whether Jones would support either Hillary or Warren for president?

He probably would not support either of them but he would show more respect for Warren than for Hillary. That is because Warren is very clearly not sold out to either the 1% or to the usual D.C. crowd that is proudly and vainly running our country into a ditch. Hillary is sold out to that obnoxious, arrogant, self-satisfied bunch of fools. "

...make up whatever hypothesis you want to justify why it's worth hyping this lunatic, but spare me the silliness.

"Read Warren's book before you diss her. She could care less what anyone says about her or to her. She is going to do her utmost to do what is right for the American people. That's the bottom line. There is nothing beyond that. I don't think the same can be said for Hillary."

Who are you responding to? I mean, it's fairly easy to spot the nonsense in these long rambling post? Where in my post did you see anything that caused you to say: "Read Warren's book before you diss her."

What is that entire statement in response to? Who said anything about Warren caring what "anyone says about her"?

"I'm sure you will love the book. At least so far, I have not found any anti-Hillary language. But she tells what happened when she was on the COP that was supposed to oversee the bail-out in 2008 and after. Her accounts are obviously accurate. They pretty much reveal the perverted loyalties of some of the Clinton and Obama friends. Warren takes no prisoners. "

Why are you responding to my comment with you theories about Hillary?

You're right about one thing: Alex Jones doesn't like Hillary.

[JDPriestly]

49. We were all talking about the fact that Jones said positive things about Elizabeth Warren.

You asked whether Jones would vote for Warren.

I answered that your question is not the right question. Whether or not Jones would vote for Elizabeth Warren is relevant only if Jones would vote for any other Democratic candidate. So far, the only likely Democratic candidates are Warren, Hillary and maybe Bernie Sanders. I seriously doubt that Jones will vote for any of them.

I may be wrong, but it seemed to me that your post in which you asked whether Jones would vote for Warren was a bit of a rhetorical or debating trick. You posed a straw question in order to elicit either the answer "I don't know" or "No." In my view it was your post that attempted to change the topic. Because you wanted to reduce the significance of the fact that Jones showed some appreciation for Warren and recognized her genuineness by shifting the focus to whether Jones would vote for Warren.

Rather than fall for you attempt to sidetrack the discussion into whether Jones would vote for Warren, I sidetracked it to whether Jones would vote for any Democrat.

Warning: One of Elizabeth Warren's advantages is that she is a master debater. She would see through the attempt to minimize the obvious fact that she more than any other potential 2016 candidate has cross-party appeal with the question as to whether she would get the specific vote of Jones. It is unlikely that Jones would vote for any Democrat, but if he would, he would vote for Warren long before he would vote for Hillary.
That goes for a lot of independents and Republicans.

Hillary has money. And Hillary has name recognition. Hillary's positives among Democrats are fairly high even very high. But Hillary's negatives among especially Republicans. Many of them would walk through a winter blizzard in Alaska or a hurricane the size of Katrina to vote against Hillary. Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! It may be unfair, but it is the fact.

Warren on the other hand will win many Republican and Independent hearts if given the chance to run.

My post was very much responding to the rhetorical trick in yours. Thank you very much for giving me a second chance to explain my views.

On edit. I hope you enjoy Warren's book as much as I am.

[Mr Dixon]

15. IMO

Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.

Frederick Douglass

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/f/frederickd134371.html#5FAfTxrEhUPJ4E2x.99

[BlindTiresias]

17. Elizabeth Warren

Has true bipartisan support among the non-elite and those who aren't doctrinaire party loyalists. One of my friends is a libertarian type and even he admits that Warren is the best game in town as far as politicians go. She simply has a level or earnestness and authenticity joined with benevolence that is almost entirely absent from the current political landscape and people seem to crave.

[Zorra]

18. Her anti-bankster agenda will attract any moderate conservative with half a brain. nt

[zeemike]

20. Jones is just playing his part as a shill

A shill is not one who advocates for a rigged game...he is one who make you think he is on your side so that you don't notice the game is rigged.

Just like they use Rand Paul the corporate left will tell us that Jones is for Warren and so you must be against her.

[nationalize the fed]

21. You might find this Esquire interview interesting

Alex Jones: Father Knows Best, Updated for the Apocalypse

The times have created this man, this nexus of patriotism and fear. Depending on who you talk to, he is a plague on or a tonic to our discourse, and we should all be horrified or grateful.

By John H. Richardson on August 20, 2013



...All of this drives the Left into a fury. Here are typical comments from a liberal Web site:

Mr. Jones should be strapped to the floor of a padded cell and pumped full of Thorazine.

I guarantee he doesn't believe his own spiel. He's a carny. What worries me is the number of rubes on the midway who buy what he sells.

Actually, I do think Jones is crazy. This has been going on for years before he got any kind of public attention.

It is all about website hits. Mr. Jones makes his money $.01 at a time.

...None of this is true. However extreme and paranoid and downright cartoonish his unending stream of alarm can be, Jones believes every word he says and can prove it with a personal stash of food big enough to last three years. And if they bothered to look without prejudice, these righteous leftists would see that Jones covers issues like the drug war, the growing security state, and Monsanto's genetic modification of food exactly the way they do, just as many of his themes were echoed by the Occupy movement.

Their personal attacks just evade the far more troubling question of why so many people on all sides of the political spectrum now believe such radical ideas — why the coal-mine canaries who scream about poison gas whenever hard times come have suddenly appeared everywhere, flocking left and right and straight into the halls of Congress. At a time when America seems to be minting a thousand new Alex Joneses every day, the bigger question is: What changed? Have these people gone crazy, or do they actually see something the rest of us don't? How do you make an Alex Jones?

Full 5 page interview
http://www.esquire.com/features/alex-jones-interview-0913

Here's the author- John H. Richardson on the Daily Show,
lest some call HIM a winger
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/mjzb4c/john-h--richardson

http://www.infowars.com/watch-alex-jones-show

[Enrique]

22. no way

"Jones believes every word he says"

that's a questionable claim for any performer, and at lot more questionable for Jones imho. Regardless of Richardson's appearance on the Daily Show, and whether he's a winger or not.

[hopemountain]

29. agree. he is carny.

and lots of people still go to the circus and love clowns.

he is also an opportunist.

his power is to sway those who let others tell them what to think. i venture to say, that is about 50% of our population. these are folks who do go no further than local evening news, tp and patriot web sites, and all night radio or all day talk shows on clear channel.

[woo me with science]

23. I was talking to someone about this the other day.

I agree with you.

I think Elizabeth's appeal could be broad enough to start dismantling this poisonous partisan game that the One Percent have been playing. Every single person I talk to is sick of the constant pretense, fed to each side, that the corruption exists just on one side of the aisle. I really think she could be the voice that shifts the country from the propaganda-fueled focus on the party horse race to a coming together as a nation to throw out the Wall Street thieves and return our representation to us.

The more I have thought about this, the more I agree with what you just expressed here.

Thanks, Manny.

[NorthCarolina]

24. It's simple. Elizabeth Warren is such an obvious choice for America that

even crazy people can see it.

[pffshht]

25. Maybe this means she's finally seen as a threat to the powers that be

Alex Jones is a calculating well-poisoner disguised as a rabble-rousing loudmouth.
He is useful, because he sandwiches the most serious nasty realities about this country in between slices of batshit, and shouts it all in the same tone, and in so doing discredits by association.

[silvershadow]

27. bump

[Douglas Carpenter]

33. Both Sen. Elizabeth Warren and Sen. Bernie Sanders have appeal that reaches way beyond the

ideological left or even the Democratic Party and liberals. Because they have a common sense message that causes even many people who might tend toward being very right-wing to stop and listen and agree that they are hearing a message that they completely support - a message that ordinary working people are being shafted by a system where both parties favor the rich, the powerful and the privileged. .

The "only centrist Democrats who don't believe in anything" can win crowd is completely out of touch with the American people and living in their own make believe land of unreality.

[quinnox]

37. Excellent post

[Bobbie Jo]

48. Nice

As if we don't already have enough CT crackpots swarming through here.

More "common ground?"