Watch the tape! Where are the injuries? Where is the injury on the back on the head? Where is

[Justice wanted]

the sign of brusing on the Face? Where was blood on the shirt that a nose bleed would gush?

[got root]

1. hold your horses... the cops cleaned him up good, on the way to the station

[ProgressiveProfessor]

2. Or perhaps EMS did...their report which has always been important, now becomes crucial

[got root]

3. get over it, your BS 'case' is hopeless

[ProgressiveProfessor]

5. Do you know how to read content?

- Zimmerman is claiming injury at the scene.
- Police report says there were some and they were treated at the scene by EMS
- Later police video shows no apparent injury.

The bubbas who could definitively state the nature of the injury are the EMS team who are reported to have treated him. When we did not have the police video, the nature and state of his injuries were unknown. Now that we do, the EMS report seals it...and his account is indefensible.

[HooptieWagon]

9. No. theyre not gonna clean him up until photos of the wounds are taken

And his clothes taken in evidence. There are no wounds. And his clothes are sqeaky clean. Keep spin

ning, though, you are amusing.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

13. So you prefer to make things up in the absence of real data

Until the video we had little that was concrete in the public domain. Lots of conjecture and contradictions. Police were covering for him, but the lead investigator wanted him arrested that night. There were many others.

Critical points included Zimmerman's injuries, but information on them is not being released. The right kind could give credence to a claim of self defense. We finally get some empirical evidence in the form of that video 5-6 hours ago. Self defense seems a real stretch now, and the EMS report would seal it.

Waiting for real data, given the bullshit that was flying is not spinning...its being rational. I have also been skeptical from the get go about the self defense claim and been wondering why he has not been arrested for manslaughter. Now that the video is public and the State Attorney has had it for weeks, why is there no arrest?

[got root]

17. but you prefer to continue to cast doubt on all the evidence that has come out to date

no matter what.

it is not our jobs, or the M$M to conduct this BS investigation online.

thats the point 'professor'.

get it?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

19. My point is that there was practically no evidence, just conjecture

Take for example, Zimmerman's injuries. It is a key to any kind of self defense claim. Until tonight, what legitimate data was out there that said how injured Zimmerman was or was not?
- Police report cited injuries and that EMS worked on Zimmerman but had no significant detail
- Zimmerman did not go to the hospital
- His lawyer (IIRC) said he sought medical treatment the next day

Tonight we have clear video show no significant injuries and the cops not wearing gloves.

When there is so much bullshit flying around, being a skeptic about everything seems the more rational approach.

[got root]

12. do YOU?

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there has been NO proper investigation, and that you are trying to happily try the 'case' on a blog is pretty lame, but at least you aren't part of the rabid RW wackos in positions of authority be they the media or 'justice' system in Sandford, which is gross.

but don't let me stop you from keeping the same company.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

23. Actually you are one of several making unsupported claims

While I have always thought he should have been arrested, when the claims got so high and contradictory, it was a time for skepticism. Critical thinking is important, you should try it some time.

The State Attorney has been sitting on key data from the start and many were making shit up to fill the void. For example until tonight, what legitimate data was out there that said how injured Zimmerman was or was not?
- Police report cited injuries and that EMS worked on Zimmerman but had no significant detail
- Zimmerman did not go to the hospital
- His lawyer (IIRC) said he sought medical treatment the next day

Today we have clear video show no significant injuries and the cops not wearing gloves.

Facts vs fantasy...it matters

[riverwalker]

4. EMT's don't "clean up blood"

they are too busy. They treat critical injuries and leave the rest to other staff. They are for emergencies, and first responders to life and death situations, not a mobile spa service. Get real.

[TorchTheWitch]

10. They do if they need to stop the blood

or get the blood out of the way to assess the injury. In particular with a bloody nose it needs to be cleaned up to clear the airway and try to deminish the chance of choking on blood since breathing freely is considered important and choking on blood is considered detrimental to freely breathing. Kind of reasonable really.

[got root]

15. lol

yeah, and make sure not to leave a spot, especially on his clothes.

FAIL

[opiate69]

20. This from my sister - an EMS for 20+ years

" I would clean up enough to assess. But a broken nose is not something we can fix. As long as his airway is not compromised, I'd put an ice pack on it and call it good. However, depending on how long the "video" was taken after the injury, if his nose really was broken he would have bruising on his face, mostly around the area of his eyes."

[ProgressiveProfessor]

14. Depends on the circumstances

They will do what they need to assess the situation. Martin had already been pronounced dead, so I would expect them to take the time to assess Zimmerman and give that assessment to the police. What they said has always been critical to getting to the truth and the State Attorney has been sitting on the EMS report.

The video released today gives us empirical evidence for the first time (vice conjecture) as to Zimmerman's injuries if any. Any self defense argument seems just about destroyed at this point.

[got root]

16. there was plenty of evidence before this to cast plenty of doubt on his story

maybe you are just now realizing it, but you may be a little slow on the uptake, or not following it as closely as other.

could be.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

18. Not really...so little hard data had been released

Most of the media and DU was running on conjecture and assumption. Until tonight, what legitimate data was out there that said how injured Zimmerman was or was not?
- Police report cited injuries and that EMS worked on Zimmerman but had no significant detail
- Zimmerman did not go to the hospital
- His lawyer (IIRC) said he sought medical treatment the next day

Today we have clear video show no significant injuries and the cops not wearing gloves.

Like many I could not fathom why he had not been arrested that night...or for that matter why he is still free tonight.

[HooptieWagon]

7. Youre running oit of straws to grasp.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

21. You are running out of facts to ignore

Until tonight, what legitimate data was out there that said how injured Zimmerman was or was not?
- Police report cited injuries and that EMS worked on Zimmerman but had no significant detail
- Zimmerman did not go to the hospital
- His lawyer (IIRC) said he sought medical treatment the next day

Today we have clear video show no significant injuries and the cops not wearing gloves.

The EMS report would clearly define the level of treatment done (if any) and the scope of the injuries (if any). Without the video released today it would have been the primary evidence of any injuries. With the video, it could well be the last nail in any claim of self defense.

Seeking facts is not spinning, unless you are in the conjecture business

[Cali_Democrat]

8. Zimmerman is going down

U mad?

Ya, u mad.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

22. And it will be a good thing

[spanone]

6. where's that 'fat white hispanic' sad faced victim we've been seeing in the media?

who's this pretty buff looking guy with the shaved head.....?

[uponit7771]

11. They can clean up the blood but a broken nose would cause some nice swelling and there's no scars

...on the back of his head