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Triana

(22,666 posts)
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 11:29 AM Apr 2014

Study: American public has ‘virtually no influence’ over politics in face of wealthy interest groups

It’s not just your imagination: The influence of money in politics has indeed drowned out the voices of American voters, a new analysis shows, with runaway corporate lobbying and a lack of campaign finance reform to blame for giving much more political weight to the wealthy.

Researchers at Princeton University and Northwestern University compared the public’s influence on 1,779 policy issues between 1981 and 2002, finding that more often than not, the interests of wealthy groups and individuals won out over the demands of the general public. For instance, when 80 percent of the public asked for a change of some sort, they got their way only about 43 percent of the time.

The study, its authors say, points to the overwhelming power of wealthy lobbying groups and individuals backing certain interests in American politics, and the marginalization of voters and public advocacy groups.

“I expected to find that ordinary Americans had a modest degree of influence over government policy and that mass-based interest groups would serve to promote those interests,” Martin Gilens, a political scientist at Princeton and a co-author of the study, wrote in an email to Al Jazeera.

“What we found instead was that ordinary Americans have virtually no influence over government policy and that mass-based interest groups as a whole do not reliably side with the wishes of the average citizen.”


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Study: American public has ‘virtually no influence’ over politics in face of wealthy interest groups (Original Post) Triana Apr 2014 OP
How does it make you feel America, to learn that your votes means next to nothing ladjf Apr 2014 #1
Damn it all to hell ...we're going to vote for Hillary! That'll teach em! L0oniX Apr 2014 #4
I'm going to vote for her if she is the Democratic candidate, but, ladjf Apr 2014 #6
Why on Earth would Hillary want to change anything? Maedhros Apr 2014 #22
I must have been too vague in my post. ladjf Apr 2014 #46
^^^this^^^ L0oniX Apr 2014 #67
That'll teach us! erronis Apr 2014 #63
Voting meant something in 2008,10,12 and it will mean something in 2014. kelliekat44 Apr 2014 #44
It matters where I live in a very blue district and affects the state and nation. n/t freshwest Apr 2014 #54
Unless we vote in overwhelming numbers WhiteTara Apr 2014 #2
Won't matter. Whoever we vote in will be either blackmailed or bought off. Katashi_itto Apr 2014 #9
Sounds like it's time WhiteTara Apr 2014 #10
Let's call that Plan B. merrily Apr 2014 #12
I was responding to the poster WhiteTara Apr 2014 #16
I thought you were despairing. merrily Apr 2014 #19
Well, I do feel a bit of dispair and articles like WhiteTara Apr 2014 #43
The point and it is a point that cannot be avoided to coddle folks is TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #55
Well, I am in the running for JP in our county WhiteTara Apr 2014 #73
Meh. Where you live is not a huge barrier to voting. merrily Apr 2014 #77
self loathers? nt WhiteTara Apr 2014 #79
Who knows? Neither of them is a rocket scientist, except merrily Apr 2014 #81
And consistently, too. merrily Apr 2014 #11
When your choices are Corp-Thing 1 vs. Corp-Thing 2, it dont matter what the numbers are. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #32
We did in 2008. The corporate rule marched on Doctor_J Apr 2014 #33
Winner of the "No shit Sherlock" medal ...awarded by Capt. Obvious. L0oniX Apr 2014 #3
You beat me to it! kath Apr 2014 #8
The corporate state is maturing. Next goal? Sport. Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #65
And the only people who can change the system... Ron Obvious Apr 2014 #5
And, they wonder why so many don't bother to vote. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #7
+1 LittleBlue Apr 2014 #13
Well, with Black Box Voting and other bullshit, the US doesn't have anything even close to free and kath Apr 2014 #49
This is, though simple and obvious, the most important issue in politics today BrotherIvan Apr 2014 #14
Here are a couple charts that illustrate this very vividly DanTex Apr 2014 #15
All three branches of the government. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #17
This is why we don't want Hillary Clinton. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #18
However Doctor_J Apr 2014 #34
You're saying that like it's up to us. Some of us feel that as long as we get rhett o rick Apr 2014 #35
You will be pilloried. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #36
Just as long as it aint Hillary'ed. Sorry, sorry, couldnt pass it up. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #39
... Enthusiast Apr 2014 #45
"we?" progressivebydesign Apr 2014 #70
We have a government that is by the rich, of the rich & for the rich MrScorpio Apr 2014 #20
Wake up, America. You no longer have anything to lose. 1000words Apr 2014 #21
The problem is organization.... dharmamarx Apr 2014 #23
I agree dreamnightwind Apr 2014 #59
They needed a study? WHEN CRABS ROAR Apr 2014 #24
and the right wing RandoLoodie Apr 2014 #25
I see only two viable solutions.... mike_c Apr 2014 #26
How about a new startup government moondust Apr 2014 #28
I'll drink to that. pangaia Apr 2014 #60
I see only one viable solution. The torches and pitchforks is romantic, so to speak, rhett o rick Apr 2014 #38
Neither will happen Prophet 451 Apr 2014 #75
We need to write to our Congressman to inform them, LOL Corruption Inc Apr 2014 #27
The public has to be educated or shouldn't vote. Shoulders of Giants Apr 2014 #29
It won't happen but dotymed Apr 2014 #30
The United States is a government of, bought by, and operated and for benefit of plutocrats indepat Apr 2014 #31
It's a rigged game.... davidn3600 Apr 2014 #37
It's the golden rule that has been in effect for millenia. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #40
Yup, just the way that lying goat-fucker, John Roberts, planned it. 11 Bravo Apr 2014 #41
K&R G_j Apr 2014 #42
There's more $$ than there are voters. Thus, the math is easy-peasy. WinkyDink Apr 2014 #47
k&r Duppers Apr 2014 #48
"Hope!" "Change!" "Win The Future!" blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #50
If you stay home on election day in the face of the money Historic NY Apr 2014 #51
There's a lot of truth to that... defacto7 Apr 2014 #57
Look at the recent "health care debate" where two-thirds of the public ... slipslidingaway Apr 2014 #52
Or immigration AngryAmish Apr 2014 #61
I don't know what to do, ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #53
A-duh. DeSwiss Apr 2014 #56
Well, duh. Blue_In_AK Apr 2014 #58
In other news.... AnneD Apr 2014 #62
Vitally important study. Octafish Apr 2014 #64
marking this for a later read. progressoid Apr 2014 #66
Well. Duh. People really do get what they pay for. raouldukelives Apr 2014 #68
This is why the administration is wisely trying to get them to like us, woo me with science Apr 2014 #69
change come thru social movements, not the ballot box. KG Apr 2014 #71
MSNBC citing the study as well: Triana Apr 2014 #72
... pffshht Apr 2014 #74
Then it's fascism Prophet 451 Apr 2014 #76
K&R n/t handmade34 Apr 2014 #78
Our vote is the only democracy America has left. People better vote like their life depends on it. Sunlei Apr 2014 #80

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
1. How does it make you feel America, to learn that your votes means next to nothing
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 11:32 AM
Apr 2014

when it comes to influencing public policy? nt

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
6. I'm going to vote for her if she is the Democratic candidate, but,
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 11:39 AM
Apr 2014

I'm afraid she is not going to be willing and able to do enough to turn this terrible situation around.
The job is going to take more than a competent President.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
46. I must have been too vague in my post.
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 06:57 PM
Apr 2014

I was thinking about the major changes that need to be made in the U.S. political system. It's currently a dangerous and unfair mess.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
44. Voting meant something in 2008,10,12 and it will mean something in 2014.
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 05:56 PM
Apr 2014

It all depends on who uses their vote and who is denied the right to vote.

WhiteTara

(29,692 posts)
16. I was responding to the poster
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 01:15 PM
Apr 2014

that says we have no chance no matter what. So, I was wondering if the poster thought it was time for plan b. I'm still working on the GOTV. We'll see which wins out in the end.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
19. I thought you were despairing.
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 01:22 PM
Apr 2014

I believe in GOTV in an almost religious article of faith way. Nonetheless, I think we need more than that. Not carbon monoxide, though!

WhiteTara

(29,692 posts)
43. Well, I do feel a bit of dispair and articles like
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 05:55 PM
Apr 2014

this are designed to make sure we feel so hopeless that we sit out the elections. Of course, the poster I was responding too can't vote as s/he lives in Japan. They have their own morass of desperation there too.

TheKentuckian

(25,018 posts)
55. The point and it is a point that cannot be avoided to coddle folks is
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 12:44 AM
Apr 2014

that voting is not nearly enough and sure as hell just voting for the letter D without making it mean something won't begin to cut it.

The cure for desperation is not delusion but to alleviate the source of the distress and the measuring stick can't be a brood of theocratic, racist, stupids but rather the beneficial resolution of our tribulations. "Better than the Republican" is a nothing, a cop out. Wouldn't one have to work like John Henry to not be?

WhiteTara

(29,692 posts)
73. Well, I am in the running for JP in our county
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 06:10 PM
Apr 2014

it's like a board of supervisors and we'll see what happens there.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
77. Meh. Where you live is not a huge barrier to voting.
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 05:59 AM
Apr 2014

I once met a woman in her 70s who became a naturalized citizen of the US, thanks to her employer's helping her out and, maybe also her daughter. The daughter had married an American serviceman very briefly and become a US as a result of the marriage. She still lives in the US and her own daughter was born here. The status of her daughter and granddaughter may have weighed in on someone's heart strings, but I don't think has anything to do with the older woman being legally entitled to citizenship. So, I think it was the employer.

Anyway, this older lived in the US all of maybe 3 years out of her entire life, years ago, while allegedly doing work here for her employer, which may, at that time, have been a US corporation. For all the rest of her life, she lived in the Middle East, mostly Lebanon. She never intended to remain in the US permanently--and her employer knew that. So, I don't know why she didn't get a work visa instead of citizenship.

Nonetheless, she has, for years, voted Republican in every election by absentee ballot. Her daughter is winger, too. Both have very harsh things to say about liberals, Israel and Jews, etc. (and the Gore Lieberman ticket, but they were Republican long before that).

I wanted to spit nails when she told me she always votes Republican by absentee ballot.



merrily

(45,251 posts)
81. Who knows? Neither of them is a rocket scientist, except
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 11:02 AM
Apr 2014

maybe when it comes to exploiting the system, then playing victim and never taking personal responsibility for a thing.

The granddaughter was a skinhead at one point. The mother was distraught.

The kid didn't lick it from the grass, though.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
32. When your choices are Corp-Thing 1 vs. Corp-Thing 2, it dont matter what the numbers are.
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 05:11 PM
Apr 2014

Just sayin.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
33. We did in 2008. The corporate rule marched on
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 05:11 PM
Apr 2014

Nice to be optimistic, but don't delude yourself.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
5. And the only people who can change the system...
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 11:37 AM
Apr 2014

Are those who are benefitting from it. There's the fundamental problem with politics today. It should be an issue that cuts across all demographics and political views and unite us all, but the 1% have bought off the media and that message isn't getting out.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
13. +1
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 01:07 PM
Apr 2014

I don't want to hear any crying if our turnout is low in the fall.

Millions believe that voting doesn't matter, and studies are beginning to back up what we already suspected.

kath

(10,565 posts)
49. Well, with Black Box Voting and other bullshit, the US doesn't have anything even close to free and
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 08:15 PM
Apr 2014

Fair elections. We have only the illusion of democracy.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
14. This is, though simple and obvious, the most important issue in politics today
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 01:11 PM
Apr 2014

It explains why a candidates promises are nothing like his actions while governing. It explains why even those we thought were one of "the good guys" chooses to look forward and take crimes off the table. Why there have been no criminal prosecutions on wall street and why oil companies that decimate the Gulf are not forced to pay for the cleanup and are given drilling permits shortly after. If we don't figure out a way to get a handle on this issue, then all the other things we need to get the country back on track will be impossible. All the other problems such as energy policy, education, taxation, you name it, all of them are just symptoms, but money in politics is a disease.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
34. However
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 05:16 PM
Apr 2014

On election day 2016, it will be her or Fat Bastard/JEB/Walker/Perry/... So there we'll be, voting for TPP and XL and charter schools.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
35. You're saying that like it's up to us. Some of us feel that as long as we get
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 05:23 PM
Apr 2014

to vote, we must be free. Plez dont shatter that illusion. If nothing else I am at least writing in Ralph Nader. Ooops I said the N word and the posse will be here soon.

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
20. We have a government that is by the rich, of the rich & for the rich
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 01:50 PM
Apr 2014

The hardest thing to do is to make it perish from the Earth, by replacing it with a Democracy.

dharmamarx

(58 posts)
23. The problem is organization....
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 02:11 PM
Apr 2014

The American working class is unfortunately organized through the Democratic Party. (This website itself reflects that problem.) We define our problems based on what the Democrats talk about, and we forget about issues they ignore. We hope that simply electing a new Democrat will fix those problems, and it never really does. We haven't recognized that this is not the 1950s-1970s, and that the Democratic Party no longer cares about the working class because the working class is no longer organized and threatening the establishment. The Soviet Union, whatever you think of it, was tremendously successful at shaming the Western capitalist countries into adopting New Deal-style welfare states. No USSR, no Socialist Party of America, no militant labor unions: No progressive politics. The solution isn't really that we need to vote for non-Democrats, but rather that we need to get organized independently of the Democrats, define our own agenda, and begin to take over the electoral system with candidates pledged to our agenda.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
59. I agree
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 05:03 AM
Apr 2014

If you are new here, welcome to DU.

I hadn't really considered the angle you brought up where the socialist threat helped win concessions in the U.S. from the wealthy. Makes sense.

Organization has always been a talent the right has over the left. They're better at linear thinking, top-down structures that successfully target narrow objectives and then they have the funding to build the infrastructure to deliver the desired change.

The left has always been more about herding cats from one interest group to another, trying to keep people focused on the issue at hand rather than splintering into a thousand loose affinity groups. And most of it is done by underpaid, overworked volunteers who have precious little spare time for activism, struggling just to keep their day jobs and make a living. Paid staff is either non-existent or just enough to coordinate events and fundraising efforts.

I had always hoped the internet would be the great equalizer, that the tech-savvy left would find ways to use it to coordinate actions and screen out corporate candidates who will only sell us out. So far I have seen sites like DU and Kos that are good for discussion and promotion of party ideology but not good at mobilizing action nor at promoting candidates that will serve the non-elites. In fact they may serve the opposite, they take a lot of time from members who read, comment and argue but don't organize for substantive change.

NGOs use the internet to good effect, using online petitions and action alerts, though for the most part they use the web for their own fundraising. Also most of them have too little funding to effectively mobilize against powerful monied interests, though what little good that does happens often happens from their efforts.

I think there is room for a new web site, or several, that work specifically to crowd-source actions and to promote (and fund) candidates who will support the issues of aggregated small donors in the same way our current reps support the issues of the large donors.

Obama in 2008 received roughly half of his campaign money from small donors, yet when he took office it was the large corporate donors and their interests who got their policies pushed by his administration. That's not particular to Obama, it's actually typical, a large corporate donor gets legislation while the small donors get attention in proportion to their individual donation rather than in proportion to the aggregate of the small donors who chipped in. Perhaps this could be improved on by using an aggregator that would manage the donations and use their influence en masse to leverage policy from our representatives in government.

I know there are many groups working along these lines, but I also know that we're losing this battle in a big way, so we need to keep re-inventing how small fish can pool their resources to get what they want from government.

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
24. They needed a study?
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 02:14 PM
Apr 2014

What we need is a strong progressive populist general strike, unfortunately we don't have the numbers or a platform, to make it work.

 

RandoLoodie

(133 posts)
25. and the right wing
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 02:19 PM
Apr 2014

has a populist movement bubbling among all the certified reactionary nut bars.

amazing.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
38. I see only one viable solution. The torches and pitchforks is romantic, so to speak,
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 05:31 PM
Apr 2014

but wont fix anything. In a violent revolution the people would need the help of thugs to win and then the thugs would take over.

But I go along with your other choice. Elite Theory says that you will always have rule by the elite. There is no way around it. So we just need an elite group to understand that it is in their best interest not to let the masses get to the violent revolution stage because the ruling elite will most likely be worse off after such.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
75. Neither will happen
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 04:20 AM
Apr 2014

The American public has been too placated by tv and religion and has been trained to direct their class resentment strictly downward. So that rules out pitchforks.
And FDR is ruled out by the simple fact that it takes big money, and teh corporate donors who have it, to get elected these days.

 

Corruption Inc

(1,568 posts)
27. We need to write to our Congressman to inform them, LOL
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 02:28 PM
Apr 2014

I'm sure they'll listen to the fact that they don't listen.

29. The public has to be educated or shouldn't vote.
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 02:29 PM
Apr 2014

If your vote can be influenced by a 30 second ad paid for by a front group for a billionaire, than don't vote. I live in Illinois and keep seeing ads against the progressive tax. I think I've seen dozens of ads against it. Some of them lie and say it will raise taxes on everyone making over $18,000 a year. I've looked into it and learned its BS. However, I know many people won't but still vote. It really bothers me that billionaires can make these ads to trick people into voting against their own interests. Ultimately, billionaires have one vote just like the rest of us. However, when they pull these tricks, their voting powered is significantly amplified. So therefore, I think anyone who can be influenced by a 30 second ad, or doesn't know the issues, probably shouldn't vote at all.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
30. It won't happen but
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 02:36 PM
Apr 2014

if only the MSM would report this everyday for at least a month........

Possibly MoveOn.org could buy advertising time during the "knuckle dragger" shows...

indepat

(20,899 posts)
31. The United States is a government of, bought by, and operated and for benefit of plutocrats
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 02:58 PM
Apr 2014

to the detriment of society: the proof is in their works.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
37. It's a rigged game....
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 05:27 PM
Apr 2014

Every election cycle we bet on a horse.

The rich simply bets on every horse in the race. So no matter what, they win.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
40. It's the golden rule that has been in effect for millenia.
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 05:35 PM
Apr 2014

He who has the most gold makes the rules.

11 Bravo

(23,925 posts)
41. Yup, just the way that lying goat-fucker, John Roberts, planned it.
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 05:36 PM
Apr 2014

He lied his ass off during the confirmation hearings, and now he's doing exactly what he was placed on the court to do.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
51. If you stay home on election day in the face of the money
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 11:10 PM
Apr 2014

Last edited Tue Apr 22, 2014, 11:50 PM - Edit history (1)

they throw, then your giving them a pass. If you come out in strength the bastards have to spend more. I'd rather make them broke then surrender.......!!!!!!

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
57. There's a lot of truth to that...
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 02:07 AM
Apr 2014

We'll never make them broke but if the message they are buying doesn't work because the public gets wise, then their money has no political value. I think the only hope we have is to make sure people are made well aware that their message is no less than laughable... and finally annoying.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
52. Look at the recent "health care debate" where two-thirds of the public ...
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 11:42 PM
Apr 2014

wanted a national HC system and DEMS blocked the debate.

They did not even try to advance the issue


"It’s not just your imagination: The influence of money in politics has indeed drowned out the voices of American voters, a new analysis shows, with runaway corporate lobbying and a lack of campaign finance reform to blame for giving much more political weight to the wealthy..."







 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
61. Or immigration
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 07:56 AM
Apr 2014

When Mark Zuckerberg and Carlos Slim want to expand immigration you know the people are gonna get hosed.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
56. A-duh.
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 01:38 AM
Apr 2014
- It's a flaw in the design which incorporates Capitalism into the mix with democratic principles and republican ideals. A situation ripe for conflict that turns one party against the other. The inclusion of Capitalism into this nation's design (or any nation's design for that matter) was like feeding this new babe of democracy the cancer-causing GMO corn that we eat today. It's gonna kill it's host sooner or later, it's just a matter of time.

Because it's in the nature of cancers (in this instance GREED) to always kill it's host......

K&R

In the Bill of Rights of the United States, there is an attempt to secure certain freedoms and protections by way of mere text on paper. Now while I understand the value of this document and the temporal brilliance of it in the context of the period of its creation, that does not excuse the fact that it is a product of social inefficiency and nothing more.

In other words, declarations of laws and rights are actually an acknowledgment of the failures of the social design. There is no such thing as 'rights' - as the reference can be altered at will. The fourth amendment is an attempt to protect against state power abuse, that is clear. But it avoids the real issue, and that is: Why would the state have an interest to search and seize to begin with? How do you remove the mechanisms that generate such behavior? We need to focus on the real cause.

We have to understand that government as we know it today, is not in place for the well being of the public, but rather for the perpetuation of their establishment and their power. Just like every other institution within a monetary system. Government is a monetary invention for the sake of economic and social control and its methods are based upon self-preservation, first and foremost. All a government can really do is to create laws to compensate for an inherent lack of integrity within the social order.

In society today the public is essentially kept distracted and uninformed. This is the way that governments maintain control. If you review history, power is maintained through ignorance.

~Peter Joseph

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
62. In other news....
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 08:45 AM
Apr 2014

water is wet....

I will add this. Even if you vote against these moneyed interests, it does no good if the politicians roll over on you. It has happened in the past, is currently happening and will happen in the future.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
64. Vitally important study.
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 09:20 AM
Apr 2014

Wish Corporate McPravda would spread the word, but they're part of the problem.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
68. Well. Duh. People really do get what they pay for.
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 10:55 AM
Apr 2014

The only influence we have is how supportive we wish to be of the corporations destroying our ecosystem and our democracy.
Every dollar invested in them is a call for more of the same and they use that money to drown out the people calling for progress, fighting for justice and working to GOTV for liberal candidates.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
69. This is why the administration is wisely trying to get them to like us,
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 11:12 AM
Apr 2014

by inviting their children to the White House and giving them all the policies they want.

We obviously can't FORCE them to do anything, so the next safest strategy is to be the cutest, most loyal pets we can possibly be.

KG

(28,751 posts)
71. change come thru social movements, not the ballot box.
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 11:30 AM
Apr 2014

elect all the democrats you want.

but until, as a party, they view working people as their constituents rather than wall st, nothing is gonna change..

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
76. Then it's fascism
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 04:24 AM
Apr 2014

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism as it is the union of state and corporate power" ~ Mussolini.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
80. Our vote is the only democracy America has left. People better vote like their life depends on it.
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 11:00 AM
Apr 2014

Because it does, even at the local level. 'for profit' republicans on your school boards & in your small local gov? You are doomed and a slave to their local, very expensive, over-regulation.

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