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Mon Apr 21, 2014, 07:50 PM

REAGAN: "No reason why on the street today, a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons."


http://www.salon.com/2013/01/23/7_uncovered_quotes_that_reveal_just_how_crazy_the_nras_become/

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Reply REAGAN: "No reason why on the street today, a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons." (Original post)
kpete Apr 2014 OP
villager Apr 2014 #1
Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #8
lunasun Apr 2014 #32
Kingofalldems Apr 2014 #2
etherealtruth Apr 2014 #3
Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #5
Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #4
etherealtruth Apr 2014 #6
Hoyt Apr 2014 #7
Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #11
cherokeeprogressive Apr 2014 #40
Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #41
enough Apr 2014 #9
Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #10
Hoyt Apr 2014 #13
Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #16
tblue37 Apr 2014 #29
Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #30
tblue37 Apr 2014 #33
Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #36
NewJeffCT Apr 2014 #19
herding cats Apr 2014 #12
NewJeffCT Apr 2014 #21
doc03 Apr 2014 #14
sweetapogee Apr 2014 #17
doc03 Apr 2014 #18
sweetapogee Apr 2014 #39
Sherman A1 Apr 2014 #20
doc03 Apr 2014 #22
Skittles Apr 2014 #23
doc03 Apr 2014 #24
Hoyt Apr 2014 #28
spanone Apr 2014 #15
Dirty Socialist Apr 2014 #25
RoccoR5955 Apr 2014 #26
ManiacJoe Apr 2014 #27
Duckhunter935 Apr 2014 #31
RoccoR5955 Apr 2014 #42
Duckhunter935 Apr 2014 #43
Demeter Apr 2014 #34
madville Apr 2014 #35
MisterP Apr 2014 #37
Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #38

Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 07:55 PM

1. Is it any surprise that the gun violence apologists are to the right of Reagan?

Not really.

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Response to villager (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 08:06 PM

8. You do know reagan was talking about the black panthers right?

How they shouldn't own weapons right? So they could be pushed around by law enforcement and be brutalized with impunity.

The quote is from may 1967 and was RACIST.

“There’s no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons,” said California Gov. Ronald Reagan in May 1967, after two dozen Black Panther Party members walked into the California Statehouse carrying rifles to protest a gun-control bill. Reagan said guns were “a ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will.”


"good will" when applied to the black community is this context is code for "subservient".

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 10:32 PM

32. +1

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 07:57 PM

2. Look out below.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 07:58 PM

3. I can't believe I am agreeing with something ronald Reagan said



What has the world come to?

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 07:59 PM

5. He was citing precedent from the Bush Junta yesterday...

It's some kind of three dimensional chess.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4845787

It's still awkward. Tomorrow watch out, we'll get a Nixon quote.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 07:59 PM

4. That was that when black panthers were carrying weapons...



The urge to disarm a peoples where the government has the monopoly on armed violence goes back to the middle ages.

Two things happen to you when you become a felon you lose the right to vote and the right to own a gun, both are disenfranchisement. That minorities and poor people are more likely to become felons is well known.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 08:03 PM

6. that is likely what it was

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 08:05 PM

7. Now it's time to apply toting restrictions to all including the most common toting group,

white wing bigots.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 08:14 PM

11. Arrest them, make them felons and take their guns.

It worked with the African American community.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 22, 2014, 08:11 AM

40. It did? When?

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #40)

Tue Apr 22, 2014, 10:37 AM

41. Study: Non-Voting Felons Increasing

On Election Day, nearly 1.4 million voting-age black men — more than one in eight — will be ineligible to cast ballots because of state laws that strip felons of the right to vote.

“Here we are, 50 years after the beginning of the civil rights movement, and we actually have an increasing number of African-Americans who are disenfranchised each year,” said Marc Mauer of The Sentencing Project, which analyzed 1996 Justice Department statistics along with Human Rights Watch.

Disenfranchised black males account for 35 percent of all Americans now barred from voting because of felony convictions. Two percent of all Americans, or 3.9 million, have lost the right to vote, compared with 13 percent of adult black men.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=121724

At least 1.4 million african american males cannot legally own a gun because they are convicted felons. Disenfranchisement isn't just about taking away your vote.

In Washington D.C., home to the nation’s first black president, 75 percent of young black men can expect to serve time in prisons.

In the city’s poorest neighborhoods and across the many highly segregated black urban ghettoes that persist across (not-so) “post-racial” America, similar incarceration rates and expectations prevail and time behind bars has become “normative” for young black males.

* In seven states black Americans make up 80 to 90 percent all drug prisoners. In more than fifteen states, blacks are sent to prison on drug convictions at rates from 20 to 57 times greater than those of white men.

* Three fourths of all Americans behind bars for drug crimes are black or Latino.

* On any given day, nearly a third (30 percent) of black males ages 20 to 29 is under some form of correctional supervision.

http://blackagendareport.com/content/%E2%80%9Cfelony-new-%E2%80%98n-word%E2%80%9D-michelle-alexander-mass-incarceration-%E2%80%9C-new-jim-crow%E2%80%9D-age-obama

I'm sure your aware convicted felons are forbidden from owning a firearm, for the rest of their lives.

Hoyt wants to take the guns away, there is already a process for that and it's under way against the african american community. I was suggesting he should extend that to the white firearms owners that he's against.

It was a bit of hyperbole to show the role of disenfranchisement.

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Response to enough (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 08:10 PM

10. Fear of a black gun owner.

How else could the Klan come lynch you in the middle of the night if you had the means to take a couple of them out in the process.

It's the same reason American Indians were disarmed etc.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 08:33 PM

13. Fear/hatred of minorities sells more gunz than any other reason. Without such bigotry,

we wouldn't be discussing this. Go to any gun store or show and look at the yahoos drooling over guns. Look at the vast majority of people who can't walk out the door without a gun strapped on.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 08:42 PM

16. Gun arrests might contradict your "personal observations"...nt

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 10:10 PM

29. But as we see so often (*cough*, Bundy incident), white RWers don't normally get

arrested at the same rate minorities do when behaving inappropriately with guns.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 10:19 PM

30. Open carry is legal in Nevada and not that unusual to see.

But I do understand your point regarding official bias.

Lets say we have a white person who works in a predominately african american neighborhood. He is likely to be granted a concealed weapons permit more so that someone who lives in the neighborhood.

The more a city has minority populations the more draconian it's gun laws. This is born out across America.

The more a city has poor peoples the more draconian it's gun laws.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #30)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 10:38 PM

33. But is it legal to intimidate federal officers as they attempt to

perform their official duties. Is it legl to actually *target* those officers? We have all seen the pic of the guy aiming his rifle at the feds. If he is not identified and arrested, then. . . . Well, I doubt a minority member would be so lucky.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #33)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 11:12 PM

36. Its possible some of them could be charged with "brandishing" or disorderly conduct.

I saw one picture of a guy lying prone on a bridge. I have no idea what was down range of his sights. If he was targeting federal officials Its likely he was breaking one law or another. Having weapons on your person however is not a crime in Nevada assuming your not a felon or otherwise prohibited person.

I don't think there is a legal standard for "intimidate federal officers" as thats subjective on the part of the officers.

Where I visit in Nevada the city is closely surrounded by BLM land. While it's not legal to discharge guns in the city except in designated areas it's perfectly legal to do so on BLM land. It's a weird mix of state and federal laws at play.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 09:05 PM

19. Of course

white people with guns are perfectly reasonable, black people with guns are scary.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 08:26 PM

12. Proper context about this quote is, as pointed out upthead, in refrence to scary armed black people.

"In 2004, President George W. Bush said, “I did think we ought to extend the assault weapons ban, and was told the fact that the bill was never going to move, because Republicans and Democrats were against the assault weapon ban, people of both parties. I believe law-abiding citizens ought to be able to own a gun. I believe in background checks at gun shows or anywhere to make sure that guns don’t get in the hands of people that shouldn’t have them.”

Ten years earlier, his father wrote a letter to the NRA just two weeks after the Oklahoma City bombing, resigning as a life member of the NRA. And while Ronald Reagan was the Governor of California, he stated his view on guns in May of 1967 when Black Panther Party members walked into the California Statehouse carrying rifles to protest a gun-control bill. “There’s no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.”

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/50559139/t/look-back-gun-control-history/#.U1W2K1cVA4c

Link added to really drive the point home.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 09:06 PM

21. great find

thanks for posting

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 08:36 PM

14. Was at the mall this Saturday and saw a man and

a women walking around holding hands and both were packing open carry Glocks. There were signs posted that no guns were permitted except for law enforcement a few weeks ago. I ask a mall employee and was told the mall changed their policy, anyone can carry now except mall employees. So now a person can walk in the mall carrying an AR 15 with a box full of 30 round magazines and nobody should be alarmed. There was the Easter Bunny and dozens of people with children for targets.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 08:48 PM

17. Do you know how many

of the boxes of bullets were shot in that mall?

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Response to sweetapogee (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 09:03 PM

18. If a couple nut jobs walked into the mall carrying a couple AR15s and a dozen

thirty round magazines nobody would even call the cops. They could just walk in unobstructed load up a shoot everyone. Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. The gun nuts pressured them to change their policy, what about normal sane people that would like to go shopping without a bunch of loons carrying guns around. The whole thing is not that they need guns it is just they think they need to make a statement about this president.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #18)

Tue Apr 22, 2014, 07:52 AM

39. well then

could you at least give a rough estimate of the number of bullets they fired in your mall?

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Response to doc03 (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 09:06 PM

20. Had I been at that mall

I would have simply left upon seeing what you described. I would have also let mall management that I was leaving and taking my business elsewhere or online and just why I was doing so. They certainly have a right to run their mall anyway they choose, I have a right to shop where I choose to do so.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 09:18 PM

22. I really don't have a problem if they permit CCW but I just don't see the need

to open carry. What the fuck is wrong with this country? Fifty years ago everyone would be turned off by that but since president Clinton was in office every time we get a Democratic president the right wingers think they have to carry guns everywhere. You know they don't think they really need a gun, they are just trying to get someone to say something so they have an excuse to spew their gun rights bullshit. I plan to complain to the mall manager about the policy next time I see him but I suppose the other side is a lot louder. I suppose since open carry is legal in Ohio they couldn't stop open carry unless they banned all guns.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #22)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 09:40 PM

23. gun humping cowards have won

THAT is what happened

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Response to Skittles (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 09:46 PM

24. If we get a Republican president again it will all blow

over, don't remember that stuff when W was pResident.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 10:01 PM

28. It might blow over, but the yahoos are still there waiting for the next time

They feel the need to "take their country back" or intimidate the 93% who would never carry a gun in public, much less openly.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 08:39 PM

15. if ronnie the politician had endured instead of ronnie the myth....

the right would ignore/hate him

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 09:51 PM

25. What Was He, A Fucking Commie?

They should have impeached him!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 09:53 PM

26. Screw Reagan! Even a stopped clock is right twice a day

Apparently he said this after he got shot. Too bad they missed!

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #26)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 10:01 PM

27. 1967, regarding the Black Panthers, while governor of CA.

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #26)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 10:29 PM

31. And you would be wrong nt

As much as I do not like him, I would also never hope for a Presidential assassination.

That is just sick

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #31)

Wed Apr 23, 2014, 08:18 AM

42. Reagan didn't kill your brother, did he?

Did Reagan kill your brother by calling AIDS a "gay cancer," thus preventing early research into a "cure?"
Well FYI, he did to my brother, who I lost early on in the pandemic.
I had every right to want to see that poor excuse for a human being dead!
His homophobic rhetoric killed a member of my immediate family.
So revenge is a dish, best served cold!

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #42)

Wed Apr 23, 2014, 08:35 AM

43. no

you might want to see a professional about your issues. Grudges like that you let fester are what is wrong with the world. Think Israel/Palistine you kill my family I will kill yours. Sorry for your pain but you need help my friend.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 10:47 PM

34. Ah, but where are the people of good will?

 

I've been looking most of my life, and can count them on the fingers of one hand...

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 10:54 PM

35. Gun Control started with racism

Most gun control laws started as a way to keep non-whites from owning or carrying guns.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Apr 22, 2014, 12:49 AM

37. they managed to make themselves forget he ran both coke and guns and backed Maoists

and the USSR
they also managed to make themselves forget they called Ike a Commie
they managed to make themselves forget that St. Heinlein never had a shell come his way

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Apr 22, 2014, 07:22 AM

38. And what did gun-controller Robert Sherrill say about

the Gun Control Act (1968)? Can anyone find that quote?

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