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Sat Apr 19, 2014, 02:44 AM

Boxes in Eddie's Garage: a DU challenge

First one to find anyone anywhere at anytime disparraging Edward Snowden for having boxes in his garage wins.

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Reply Boxes in Eddie's Garage: a DU challenge (Original post)
arely staircase Apr 2014 OP
RobertEarl Apr 2014 #1
arely staircase Apr 2014 #2
tiny elvis Apr 2014 #3
arely staircase Apr 2014 #5
tiny elvis Apr 2014 #6
arely staircase Apr 2014 #8
tiny elvis Apr 2014 #10
arely staircase Apr 2014 #11
tiny elvis Apr 2014 #12
Marr Apr 2014 #31
arely staircase Apr 2014 #32
pscot Apr 2014 #43
arely staircase Apr 2014 #44
arely staircase Apr 2014 #4
treestar Apr 2014 #7
arely staircase Apr 2014 #9
Fumesucker Apr 2014 #13
arely staircase Apr 2014 #15
KittyWampus Apr 2014 #22
arely staircase Apr 2014 #45
muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #14
arely staircase Apr 2014 #16
muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #20
Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #24
Autumn Apr 2014 #46
Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #25
arely staircase Apr 2014 #26
uppityperson Apr 2014 #28
arely staircase Apr 2014 #30
uppityperson Apr 2014 #33
randome Apr 2014 #34
arely staircase Apr 2014 #36
uppityperson Apr 2014 #40
arely staircase Apr 2014 #35
uppityperson Apr 2014 #39
arely staircase Apr 2014 #41
muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #48
arely staircase Apr 2014 #50
muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #57
arely staircase Apr 2014 #58
uppityperson Apr 2014 #49
arely staircase Apr 2014 #51
warrprayer Apr 2014 #17
arely staircase Apr 2014 #18
warrprayer Apr 2014 #19
Marr Apr 2014 #37
arely staircase Apr 2014 #47
KittyWampus Apr 2014 #21
arely staircase Apr 2014 #27
Marr Apr 2014 #38
Aerows Apr 2014 #52
Autumn Apr 2014 #65
Aerows Apr 2014 #67
Autumn Apr 2014 #68
KittyWampus Apr 2014 #89
Marr Apr 2014 #90
Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #91
Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #23
randome Apr 2014 #29
arely staircase Apr 2014 #42
Fla_Democrat Apr 2014 #95
Aerows Apr 2014 #53
arely staircase Apr 2014 #54
Aerows Apr 2014 #55
arely staircase Apr 2014 #56
Aerows Apr 2014 #60
arely staircase Apr 2014 #63
MohRokTah Apr 2014 #59
arely staircase Apr 2014 #61
MohRokTah Apr 2014 #62
Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #64
arely staircase Apr 2014 #66
Zorra Apr 2014 #69
arely staircase Apr 2014 #71
Zorra Apr 2014 #75
arely staircase Apr 2014 #76
Zorra Apr 2014 #82
muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #83
arely staircase Apr 2014 #84
muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #92
Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #70
arely staircase Apr 2014 #72
Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #73
emulatorloo Apr 2014 #74
Adrahil Apr 2014 #80
emulatorloo Apr 2014 #77
arely staircase Apr 2014 #78
alcibiades_mystery Apr 2014 #79
Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #81
arely staircase Apr 2014 #85
arely staircase Apr 2014 #86
Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #87
arely staircase Apr 2014 #88
Major Nikon Apr 2014 #93
Major Nikon Apr 2014 #94
riderinthestorm Apr 2014 #96
riderinthestorm Apr 2014 #97
arely staircase Apr 2014 #98

Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:06 AM

1. My advice?

Trash this thread. Done!

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:07 AM

2. nope. not a winner. nt

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 04:06 AM

3. under cover of jus sayin

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022983957
hilarity ensued
one should not expect to live it down after throwing the kitchen sink
i want my prize in cash
try to weasel out and i will sue

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Response to tiny elvis (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 04:11 AM

5. nope. no cigar nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 04:12 AM

6. weasel nt

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Response to tiny elvis (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 04:13 AM

8. doesn't meet the disparagement test

Sorry

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 04:14 AM

10. yes it does nt

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Response to tiny elvis (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 04:20 AM

11. it is part of a linked to story that was simply a round up of

what little was known about the guy at the time. part of it was the Telegraph referencing a local tv station that had asked the neihhbors what they knew about him. And the answer was they (he and his gf) didn't fraternize with the neihhbors and he had moving boxes in his garage. In otherwords, his neig hbors didn't know him well. Not dispareaging, just part of "here is all we could find out about the guy everyone is talking about."

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 04:24 AM

12. under cover of jus sayin, as a weasel will do

i want my fuckin seegar

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:33 PM

31. Just so you know, the adult response would've been "you're right-- I apologize".

You asked for it, you go it. Your weaseling doesn't even qualify as weaseling-- you're just refusing to acknowledge what was put right in front of you in the space of two posts.

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Response to Marr (Reply #31)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:34 PM

32. no that would have been the completely innacurate response nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:59 PM

43. Weasel!

Your day job is probably writing the small print for prize contests.

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Response to pscot (Reply #43)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 02:05 PM

44. I specifically used the word disparaged because I assumed there was some genesis to the meme

and it was exactly like I suspected, some local reporter filling up air time because she had been assigned to interview the neighbors who didn't know shit about him other than he was standoffish and had boxes.

the way it is bandied about by Snowdenistas implies he was actually attacked (disparaged) by someone over the boxes. he wasn't until today, that we know of.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 04:12 AM

7. A straw man

Or, a straw box.

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Response to treestar (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 04:13 AM

9. yep nt

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 05:42 AM

13. Pole dancers

Just not in a garage

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:13 PM

15. well that was a letdown nt

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:45 PM

22. you made me lol! Again! You are pretty funny sometimes.

I buy you virtual adult beverage.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #22)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 02:06 PM

45. yeah, he actually is (sometimes) nt

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 06:10 AM

14. "It was odd, we thought it was really odd. Many times my husband and I commented..."

Neighbors say Snowden lived in the house for about 6 months. However, they noticed something a little odd when his garage door was open. There were boxes and more boxes that lined the edge of the garage leaving only just enough room to let the door down.

"It literally went from top to bottom all the way across. It was odd, we thought it was really odd. Many times my husband and I commented, 'Why do you think they haven't gotten rid of their boxes? You know most people they move in and they get rid of their boxes,'" said Tijing.

http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/former-neighbors-of-andrew-snowden-say-he-didnt-speak-to-anyone/20494246


And the reporters thought it was 'odd' enough to write that, and it made it into the AP story that was republished worldwide: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/hawaii-real-estate-agent-snowden-left-may-1

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #14)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:20 PM

16. again that isn't a disparagement

A local tv reporter was sent to go interview the neighbors and find out everything she could. And that appears to have not been much- they kept to themselves and had a garage full of moving boxes. This local TV report was used by the London Telegraph which was picked up by politico in their round up of what was known about him. All ths at a time when reporters are scrambling to find out all they can about the most talked about but unknown guy on the planet. It is a triviality but hardly a disparagement.

So, no.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:33 PM

20. It's calling it 'really odd', and apparently a regular topic of conversation for the couple

about how it's not what 'most people' would do. And multiple reporters passed it on, with a straight face (as opposed to taking to piss out of the neighbours and reporters who thought it worth saying or writing down, which was the general reaction when it was printed).

Yes, it's disparaging.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:51 PM

24. You are having an honest discussion with a person who has no intention of reciprocating.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:51 PM

25. you lost.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #25)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:25 PM

26. clearly not, in fact my point has been proven

It is just as I suspected. Some local TV reporter mentioned some boxes once upon a time and "and he has boxes in his garage" became the Snowdenista Remember the Alamo as someone actually ever gave a fuck about boxes in his garage.

My OP doesn't say find were someone "mentioned" boxes. It says "disparaged" Snowden over boxes. And it never happened regardless of how cute some people think they are saying it.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #26)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:30 PM

28. Snowden is awful because he has boxes in his garage.

There you go, here is the post.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #28)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:33 PM

30. ex post facto nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #30)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:35 PM

33. "First one to find anyone anywhere at anytime". You did not say "in the past" but "anytime".

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #33)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:37 PM

34. Shit! A loophole!

Arely, you could be in trouble here.

Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"

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Response to randome (Reply #34)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:42 PM

36. yep. we have winner

we can now mark today on the calendar as the first time it has been done.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #36)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:51 PM

40. Nope, first time it was "found" as it may have happened otherwise, just not found.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #33)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:41 PM

35. ok you win

you are officially the only person that anyone can find who has ever disparaged Snowden for boxes.

you are now the exception that makes the rule.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #35)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:51 PM

39. Not quite right. The first "found" as there may be others just not found yet.

Yes, call me uppity.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #39)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:53 PM

41. could be. but yes, first and only one we know of. nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #41)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 02:11 PM

48. Bollocks. If I point out your behaviour is 'odd'

it's disparaging. You know it is, but you won't admit it, because your integrity is 'odd'.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #48)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 02:24 PM

50. wrong

odd
adjective: odd; comparative adjective: odder; superlative adjective: oddest

different from what is usual or expected; strange.

The guys neighbor thought it strange/unusual/unexpected that he kept moving boxes piled up in the entrance to his garage.

I know you really want it to be so. But it isn't.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #50)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 02:53 PM

57. As I said, your integrity is odd

and every post you make in this thread makes it odder still.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #57)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 02:57 PM

58. ok you find my integrity unexpected.

so what?

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #41)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 02:21 PM

49. Your not knowing what I ate for lunch does not mean I did not eat lunch. Faulty logic.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #49)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 02:25 PM

51. I am not saying there isn't another

but it is looking pretty unlikely given how many people sooooo want it to be the case and would have found it by now.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:21 PM

17. ....






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Response to warrprayer (Reply #17)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:23 PM

18. non sequitor award goes to......warprayer nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:28 PM

19. thank you, thank you

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Response to warrprayer (Reply #17)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:44 PM

37. lol! No kidding.

This person doesn't even seem to realize that, by refusing to acknowledge something so blatant when laid right before them, they're only delegitimizing themselves. After proving yourself to be dishonest, few will take you seriously.

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Response to Marr (Reply #37)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 02:08 PM

47. sticks and stones nt

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:44 PM

21. The only people who ever mention the boxes or the stripper girl friend are his ass-kissers.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #21)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:27 PM

27. Oh I think some of his detractors have made some jokes about the gf

mainly because her posting all those pictures of herself was funny and stripper girlfriend is interesting in a shallow way. but the boxes thin is just fucking ridiculous.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #21)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:49 PM

38. Well, it's like your infamous map defense.

When someone makes such a flawed defense, it shows that their agenda overrides their sense of reason. It demonstrates that they're so anxious to defend a certain position that they aren't even evaluating the arguments they're throwing at it, and probably aren't worth listening to-- at least on that topic.

So people tend to remember it.

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Response to Marr (Reply #38)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 02:26 PM

52. Oh God

I will *never* forget your Middle Earth map post in that thread. It was hilarious, Marr.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023164458



Hell, that entire thread was comedy gold.



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Response to Aerows (Reply #52)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:05 PM

65. I wonder how many people have that thread bookmarked

It was a great one.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #65)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:07 PM

67. There were so many DUzy posts in that thread

it was impossible to keep up with them all

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Response to Aerows (Reply #67)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:12 PM

68. That is one of the main reasons I don't use ignore.

To have missed that would be a crime. One of the best threads ever.

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Response to Marr (Reply #38)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 12:35 AM

89. Listen, that post of mine also included the pilot's recording which debunked the bullshit.

So I posted a map by mistake. Big fucking deal.

It's pathetic you and your clique obsess over that map.

Here is another amusing map for you to obsess over:

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #89)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 12:42 AM

90. You didn't debunk anything.

And I can't believe you're actually still defending that nonsense.

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Response to Marr (Reply #90)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 12:50 AM

91. You're confused

The pilot was recorded saying he had to land because of fuel gauge issues.

The pilot was not ordered to land so that Austrian authorities could search the plane for Snowden. The whole brouhaha started because people thought Morales was forced to land over Austrian airspace because they thought he had Snowden on board.

It turns out air traffic control recorded the pilot saying they had to land because of fuel gauge issues.

The entire story was thoroughly debunked.

don't believe everything you read on the interwebz.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:50 PM

23. I think the ever vigilant NSA confiscated them...for our safety.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #23)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:30 PM

29. And rightfully so!

They were full of tiny pole-dancers!


"Hey! Touching's ten bucks extra! I want my manager!"

Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"

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Response to randome (Reply #29)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:56 PM

42. Elton John once sang

hold me closer tiny pole dancer.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #42)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 06:33 AM

95. I thought that was......

young Tony Danza...

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 02:35 PM

53. I still long

for a real picture of the Bolivian President's flight plan.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3166308

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Response to Aerows (Reply #53)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 02:37 PM

54. uh ok

whatever that means.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #54)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 02:44 PM

55. Oh, you know what I'm talking about

because you participated in that thread.

"I don't remember" suddenly is convenient for not just Reagan and Alberto "73 times I don't recall" Gonzales, but for those that are still attempting to foment hatred for the fact that it was learned that our government has overreached.

Government Overreach. Let's talk about that. Government Overreach is the issue.

Violation of the 4th Amendment. That is the issue. If you have a warrant that allows you to collect data on 12 million people, you don't have 12 million suspected criminals - you have 12 million people that you are trying to turn INTO criminals if they do something you don't like.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #55)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 02:48 PM

56. I guess it is some reference to the whole Bolivian Ambassador thing

but I have no idea what point you are trying to make. and what thread did I participate in?

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #56)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 02:59 PM

60. Of course you don't remember

or even vaguely recall the "Bolivian Ambassador thing".

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Response to Aerows (Reply #60)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:02 PM

63. you said I participated in what ever thread you are talking about

please post a link to it.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 02:59 PM

59. Who gives a shit if Eddie Galt had boxes in his garage?

I certainly don't.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #59)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:00 PM

61. nobody ever has

that is the point.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #61)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:00 PM

62. Ah, I get it. eom

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:04 PM

64. I bet that traitorous ass clown eats at the Olive Garden in Moscow.

 

I once heard he actually did steal candy from a baby.

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #64)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:06 PM

66. only if he is in moscow, idaho

the Russian Moscow has no OG

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:31 PM

69. I believe that the post below may be the source of the phrase

"and he had boxes in his garage!", as a phrase with which DUers who believe that NSA spying is detrimental to democracy often use as a cliche, to mock the various silly, ludicrous arguments used by supporters of the MIC, who were/are angry at Snowden for revealing that the corrupt NSA was/is conducting illegal blanket spying activities.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022983957

The phrase is a nuanced implication widely understood to have the meaning described above, and so, has become a cliche that represents the juvenile arguments of those whose unwavering loyalty to the status quo compels them to blindly defend the MIC from any and all criticism and attack. Their general MO is to lash out at anyone (particularly whistleblowers) who would question or expose the actions of our oligarchical rulers, and their hired official representatives.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #69)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:35 PM

71. we have covered this one upthread.

Snowden could torture kittens on RT. If someone pointed that out here the response from the Snowdenistas would be "and he has boxes in his garage.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #71)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:46 PM

75. Thank you for validating my point so perfectly! nt

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Response to Zorra (Reply #75)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:47 PM

76. likewise nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #71)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 06:32 PM

82. "neener neener" is not a point that can't be validated.

The personal attacks on Snowden are just y'alls strawmen.

Pointing out that a whistleblower who combats corruption should not be subjected by senseless ridicule from those who support corrupt practices does not make anyone a follower of the whistleblower.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #71)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 08:28 PM

83. But that does show that Politico did disparage him for the boxes

They counted towards "Wasn’t a friendly neighbor". I see I said at the time this showed Politico's "shitty journalistic standards".

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #83)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 08:42 PM

84. nobody disparaged him for the boxes

The politico story was a round up of what little was known about the guy. Among thos things was the neighbors that told the local tv station that he and his gf standoffish and had moving boxes stacked up in entrance to their garage. Why the emotional investment in defending the man against imaginary assaults on the order or lack thereof of his garage are astounding.

Leave Eddie's boxes alone!

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #84)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 05:46 AM

92. The strange thing is your emotional investment; you started a thread on this

and you've replied in it many, many times. The person in the thread who cares about this the most it you. You are denying the obvious - having boxes in the garage was listed in the paragraph 'unfriendly neighbor'.

Other people start threads about what the NSA does, or what Snowden says. You start threads about who said what about boxes in the garage. If only you would leave his boxes alone.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:33 PM

70. Does anyone get a prize for explaining exactly what harm Snowden has done?

Other than exposing what "everyone already knew"?

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #70)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:36 PM

72. other than giving classified information to China and making propaganda for Putin?

nothing I guess.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #72)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:39 PM

73. And, where is the harm? Bodies? Injuries?

And, you know he was "giving information to China"...how? Because the every trustworthy NSA says so?

He asked Putin a question, Putin answered.

How is that propaganda?

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #73)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:43 PM

74. Because Chinese reporters wrote about it in a Chinese newspaper.

Didn't hear the Putin radio show. Did Snowden ask a follow up question? Or did he just take Putin,s word for it.

Some folks at DU are fact based, other folks are more intrigued with sloganeering. Of course I am painting w a broad brush. But if that was a crime at DU, there would be no DU'ers.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #70)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 04:44 PM

80. Snowden also revealed...

... Perfectly legitimate foreign intelligence operations. Those caused very real harm to US relations. Many Snowden supporters just respond that we shouldn't do such spying, but that is naive in the extreme.

Also Snowden is perfectly content to offer himself up as a propaganda tool to Putin. If Snowden ever REALLY was a threat to Putin, he would come down with a nice little case of polonium poisoning.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:50 PM

77. Everybody who has a garage has boxes. Mr. Snowden was never disparaged here

for having moving boxes in his garage. It was and is a Strawman argument, which I see is still being trotted out today.

Thanks for the thread!

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #77)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:52 PM

78. you are welcome

I posted because just in the past day or two a long time DUr said he has been criticized for boxes in his garage, using that as an example of how over the top critics of Snowden are.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 04:02 PM

79. I can tell how embarrassed Snowden defenders are about his taped Putin propaganda question

By the volume of these Snowden Defense Committee posts that want to really talk about anything - please Dear Gawd, ANYTHING! - else

Whatever one might think of Snowden's other actions, it's near impossible to defend his decision to abet Putin through that hackneyed and ill-conceived propaganda stunt. That Putin is in the midst of annexing yet another portion of Ukraine and is engaged in vital dialogue with the US and NATO on that issue makes it particularly difficult to defend, and that's not even touching on the matter of Putin's ridiculous domestic record as a petty autocrat.

If Snowden was serious in his questioning of Putin, he appears for all the world to be an utter fool. If he was instead playing along with Putin's nonsense, then it's rather more despicable. Those are the only two readings, and the Snowden Defense Committee knows it, so we get these thousand and one "Oh yeah? Well what about X?" posts.

He's embarrassed his supporters rather badly with this one, as is clear enough.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 04:47 PM

81. I've been meaning to ask you about 'Lent'. You said you gave up posting on

DU for Lent, but then you kept posting occasionally anyway. How is it a sacrifice if you do it anyway? Is it dogmatically correct to 'cut back for Lent'? It thought it involved abstaining from the chosen activities or substances for the duration, not just a sort of harm reduction ritual.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #81)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 08:49 PM

86. better explanation than my first

One could give up chocolate cake on Thursdays if they wanted. It is up to you.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 11:46 PM

87. Well I know I linked the first article...

which focused on a local reporter who asked his neighbors questions about Snowden.

The neighbors simply said a few things including the fact he had boxes piled floor-to-ceiling in his garage for the entire six months he lived there. I really didn't think anything of it at the time and I certainly didn't disparage Snowden over having boxes in his garage. I've got boxes in my garage.

I guess I always assumed there were DUers that actually made fun of him for having boxes in his garage, but it looks like nobody on DU did.

So the whole notion that people here made fun of him for having boxes was invented out of thin air.


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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #87)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 11:52 PM

88. your post was best they could find

It is, as treestar said a "straw box"

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 06:06 AM

93. Looneytarian Eddie is a complete piece of shit for having boxes in his garage

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 08:34 AM

96. Since you're on the hunt, here's the thread that started the Girlfriend/Fiance

The character assassinations came fast and furious in the first few weeks of Snowden's revelations...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014700932

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #97)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 01:16 PM

98. no boxes. so, fail nt

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