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Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:01 AM

One reason racism is alive and well is that it's a political and corporate agenda to keep it so

I've been asking myself why is it that the murder of Trayvon Martin has become such a political issue? We've become so desensitized to our present extreme divide over all issues along partisan lines that it just seems like this issue being handled in the same way feels almost normal.

Here we are having discussions about racism and how it's still widespread and alive and thriving as if it's groups of ordinary people like the teabaggers are keeping it savagely alive and rampant. Is it possible that those groups of people aren't really all that powerful and that it's still with us because it's a political football and a corporate moneymaker? President Obama is just the catalyst that let the monster out of the closet where it should have stayed cowering in the darkest corner the way it was before he came along. I remember clearly after Palin was unleashed on us and she used racist dog whistle language the teabaggers came to life like a deadly plague because politicians like Dick Armey, with the backing of corporatists like the Koch brothers started organizing, busing in and fanning the flames of racist fear and hate that teabaggers have.

What I remember about Obama being elected is that he was actually elected by the great majority of people in this country. That means that one hell of a lot of white Americans cast the vote to make him our President, yet almost immediately the media, and especially FOX started giving credence to the teabaggers and driving that racist wedge into the American consciousness. Hell, Hannity and Beck actually personally lead the mobs at times, becoming the rallying point of insane marches and events. The teabaggers were led by the nose to do the political bidding of their new masters. They were happy to finally vent their rage.

I can't help asking myself why this criminal case is splitting down political lines. Why are the usual suspects, like Hannity and Limbaugh aligning themselves exactly like we knew they would. Surely the shocked reaction to the murder of any child crosses the political divide doesn't it? Yes, but not if it's a black child being murdered? My answer is yes, even then. The very same majority that elected President Obama will have the same shocked and disgusted reaction to this murder.

Part of the issue is the law that allows people like Zimmerman to get away with this crime. This law is a politically motivated law which is a darling of the NRA agenda. They want it, paid for it and will fight to keep it alive, and part of how the NRA fights to expand their sales is to buy politicians who make it law. This isn't racism. This is corporate standard operating procedure to further their power and their bottom line. They use their power over the media and the politicians they've bought and paid for to muddy the waters and make it look like the racism is coming from the population, when in reality it's something they've carefully cultivated for generations.

It's not realistic to believe that the same people who voted for the first Black President have suddenly awakened to what they did and are now against him because he's Black. That's nuts. And I think it's also completely false. I also think that if we pay close attention to the overall picture without getting bogged down in the details of this story we can see that this issue is being manipulated to keep us divided and fighting along racial lines. I believe George Zimmerman is racist, but his actions are those of a coward who is scared shitless of black people acting out because there's a law that protects him now. The story of our reaction should start with that and end with that as far as condemning it. And everyone, Republican or Democrat should be reacting in the same way. This is a crime.

The fact that the reactions have fallen along political lines give it all away in my opinion. It's just too obvious to ignore, because the facts are all right there, staring us in the face.

We either waste time fighting each other as they want us to, or we see the truth and fight the real enemy. I believe the majority of the people in this country are not racists. That they may have some racial stereotype ideas is plausible, but in general I believe most Americans, regardless of their misguided feelings about race aren't violent deranged racists who want to kill children or who want to defend that murder. And I think we need to stand up and say so in this latest tragic opportunity for a dialogue about race.



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Reply One reason racism is alive and well is that it's a political and corporate agenda to keep it so (Original post)
lunatica Mar 2012 OP
cali Mar 2012 #1
lunatica Mar 2012 #3
cali Mar 2012 #10
HiPointDem Mar 2012 #22
edgineered Mar 2012 #2
lunatica Mar 2012 #4
edgineered Mar 2012 #6
lunatica Mar 2012 #7
edgineered Mar 2012 #9
malaise Mar 2012 #5
Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #11
butterfly77 Mar 2012 #8
ananda Mar 2012 #12
lunatica Mar 2012 #13
YellowRubberDuckie Mar 2012 #14
lunatica Mar 2012 #17
applegrove Mar 2012 #15
lunatica Mar 2012 #16
applegrove Mar 2012 #19
alp227 Mar 2012 #20
applegrove Mar 2012 #21
lunatica Mar 2012 #23
socialist_n_TN Mar 2012 #18
lunatica Mar 2012 #24

Response to lunatica (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:10 AM

1. how is it a corporate money maker?

anyway your presumption about whites supporting Obama in 2008 is sadly wrong. Sure enough did for him to win the presidency but the strong majority of whites voted for McCain. Obama got only 43% of the white vote to McCain's 55%. In other words among white voters, McCain/Palin won in a landslide..

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Response to cali (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:55 AM

3. You really don't think guns and gunrunning are a corporate interest?

And a political interest to say, for example, the Bush family and the Carlyle Group? Jeb Bush signed the laws in question. If so, then our realities will never converge.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:32 AM

10. I don't think your op was well argued

and 20+ other states have similar laws. Sure corporate issues are involved, but I not as you lay it out in your op.

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Response to cali (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:31 AM

22. Obama got more of the white vote than Kerry or Gore did.

 

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1023/exit-poll-analysis-2008

"He also gained seven points among African American voters (95% vs. 88% for Kerry), and managed to slightly improve on Kerry's share of the white vote (43% vs. 41% for Kerry)."

http://jonathantilove.com/dems-white-vote/

"In the virtual tie of the 2000 election, Gore won 42 percent of the white vote and Bush, 53 percent."


So whites supported Obama more strongly than they have the last two Democratic candidates.

In 1996, Clinton got 48% of the white vote v. Bush's 44%. And that was a good year for the Democrats.

http://bdeco.tripod.com/presidentialregions/characteristics.html


On edit: I think the important split is not on racial issues (albeit those are given most coverage in the media), but by economic and "cultural" issues. I don't like the national review people, but I think they're right in saying that the Democrats have been losing the white working class.

and on second edit, I add this about cultural issues:

"In Ohio, according to exit polls conducted by the National Election Pool,Bush won 16 percent of the black vote, up from 9 percent in 2000....With those additional 110,000 black votes, Bositis said, the identity of the next president might still be in doubt.

Bush scored a similar gain with black voters in the battleground states of Florida, where the 13 percent contributed to his comfortable victory, and in Pennsylvania, where Democrats were able to absorb the 16 percent and still win.

The lessons for both parties are profound. For Republicans, it demonstrates that even a small success with black voters can pay huge dividends, and that their opening to the black community is through the church door and an appeal to a strong strain of conservative Christian values."

http://jonathantilove.com/bush-black-vote/

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Response to lunatica (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:39 AM

2. While in part it has political and corporate agendas,

the deciding factor enabling it comes from the weakness of each and every one of us. We each have our causes, somethings that tug more painfully on our heartstrings. I am extremely fortunate to have two friends nearby whose principles are consistent - friends who don't have all of the 'ism's (racism, etc) one minute, and hate with twice the venom the next. We are all weak, don't get me wrong, I said all.

Ask yourself, "Is it harder to be nice or is it harder to be mean?" Then ask some of your friends. Most - almost all - say mean. And it's a sure bet that you will end up listening to their stories about how mean they were. A dose of reality. Regardless of how you feel about it now, to hear it from others will give you something to think about.

If you dare to give it a try the political and corporate interests lose. And that's a start.

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Response to edgineered (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:58 AM

4. So you believe we all have violent racism in our hearts?

I don't. I believe we suffer from some extreme stereotyping, but that cuts across all differences. There's plenty of mistaken stereotyping of women and there's some pretty serious ageism, but I don't think they cross into the realm of violence. If they did there would only be Republicans in this country because the rest of us would be dead at their hands.

Do we have a problem with race in this country? Hell yes. But as long as the NRA dictates what we should believe and do we'll never overcome that problem.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:05 AM

6. That's one long jump you're making. I believe I have failed the test of

doing the right thing far too many times, right down to walking half a step faster toward the checkout counter.

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Response to edgineered (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:09 AM

7. I have no idea what you're talking about

How does walking 'too' fast to the checkout counter equate to raging racism?

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Response to lunatica (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:16 AM

9. To some the responsibility of becoming a better person rests on the shoulders of others.

Thus, this thread is an excellent example of why extremists are not reasonable beings.

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Response to lunatica (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:58 AM

5. And that is why the likes of Rmoney can say publicly that President Obama is destroying

the essence of America. Obama has shattered the caricature of the black man as defined by the establishment. When Gingrich can publicly state that black children have no role models, he implies that young black people are blind.

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Response to malaise (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:36 AM

11. +1

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Response to lunatica (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:15 AM

8. K&R..

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Response to lunatica (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:44 AM

12. Totally agree.

Keeping people divided works very much in the interests of those wealthy
people and corporations seeking to exploit cheap labor and make huge
profits at the expense of the 99ers.

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Response to lunatica (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 04:24 PM

13. kick

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Response to lunatica (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 04:51 PM

14. They're locking their gates...

...and praying we'll start killing each other in street to get rid of the peasants. But who will buy their products? They don't think that far ahead.

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Response to YellowRubberDuckie (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:05 PM

17. They have the burgeoning economies in China and India

Those markets make us look like minor players. China and India have more than a billion population each. We have a mere 350 million. We're small potatoes. Really small. In the corporate mentality, it'll take decades to go through all those billions of consumers. Who cares about us. We're really only a drop in the bucket.

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Response to lunatica (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 07:51 PM

15. Racism is one of the reasons why the GOP can get so many to vote against their own self interest.

They don't want a post-racial society. They don't want understanding among various groups. They want to keep racism as it is or make it worse. Just like they will never 'solve' the abortion issue. That is why they came out so angry for Obama mentioning race.... it might lead to an actual post racial society.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:00 PM

16. I agree. Racism is a political wedge issue which they want to exploit, not fix

It doesn't even matter whether they're personally racist. Politics makes many sell their souls.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:04 PM

19. Yup. Sold their souls in order to not pay much in taxes if they are rich: foment hatred, stifle any

discussion on race issues (actually try to shut it down), get poor whites to vote GOP.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:16 PM

20. Republicans appeal to the lowest evolved form of humans out there.

Otherwise, why else in 1980 would Reagan have traveled all the way to a rural Mississippi county where civil rights workers were murdered 16 years prior to deliver a campaign-launching speech specifically about states' rights? Why else this year would Gingrich call Pres. Obama the "food stamp president"? Oh, at least Santorum was more open about linking minorities and food stamps. Why else would there have been rumors during the 2000 GOP primary accusing John McCain of having a black...gasp BLACK!!...baby out of wedlock? Why else would The Fox Nation (the social network for the Fox News-watching intellectual neanderthals) run a front-page display labeling Obama's 50th birthday party a "hip-hop BBQ" along with photos of Obama and three black celebrities? Why else would the Drudge/Sludge Report run a front-page tabloid headline "Obama goes street" after he said "ass to kick" answering an interview question about the BP oil spill?

I recently read Thomas Byrne Edsall's newest book, The Age of Austerity. The book covers the rise in austerity in American politics including the tea party movement. Go to pages 44-46, where Edsall cited research conducted via the website YourMorals.org. Conservatives were very likely to agree with this statement: "If certain groups stayed in their place, we would have fewer problems." That goes in tune with the authoritarian conservative ideology. Edsall also cited research about social dominance theory in which conservatives were more likely to agree with statements "Some groups of people are more just more worthy than others", "It's OK if some groups have more of a chance in life than others", and "If certain groups of people stayed in their place, we would have fewer problems." (p. 60).

I know I should have made this an OP in itself, but this topic is just so compelling I have to add this much to my reply. To quote Michael Savage on the day of that school shooting near Cleveland (first posted to DU): "The entire history of the human race is that of pushing the other guy around to get the best out of him." That is very revealing of the right wing authoritarian mentality: it relies on the naturalistic fallacy. Conservatives have this aggressive, competitive worldview that encourages bullying and hatred because...hey, that's the way humans have been for millions of years, so be it! (Guess what? Humans have murdered and raped and robbed for millions of years too, so why not get rid of laws too?)

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Response to alp227 (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:30 PM

21. Thank you for so much information. You should make it an OP. Just copy it and paste it. I do that

all the time when I've come up with a new take on an thread.

And people didn't have property laws back then. The rich had to have their own standing armies to protect their property and riches (land). They didn't have a prisoner industrial complex like the USA has now.

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Response to alp227 (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 29, 2012, 06:56 AM

23. I agree with applegrove. Start a new OP thread

Thank you for adding this incredibly well researched argument to the dialogue. It's important to dig for the truth because otherwise they have us by the puppet strings. I'm really grateful you added this to my OP.

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Response to lunatica (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:28 PM

18. There are enough guns in the world to arm 1 in 12 people...........

Capitalist thought process on this stat? How can we sell guns to the other 11.

And of course it's in their interests to stir the sludge of racism in this country. That's ALWAYS been one of the MAIN ways they divide the working class. That and religion.

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Response to socialist_n_TN (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 29, 2012, 07:05 AM

24. And to add to your post, religion is front and center in the big war going on now

All the way from the terrorists attacking us to us going to war with them. Christians and Muslim fundamentalists squaring off against each other has been the driving force of this Century's American wars. And it seems the GOP Presidential campaigns this year have been basically about religion. It's been a rush to the bottom for sure.

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