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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 06:33 AM Apr 2014

5 Explosive Revelations Leaked from Senate Report Exposing CIA Torture

http://www.alternet.org/world/5-explosive-revelations-leaked-senate-report-exposing-cia-torture



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1. Black site at Guantanamo. It is well known that the Guantanamo Bay detention center is where hundreds of prisoners have been held without charge. But what wasn’t officially confirmed until recently is that Guantanamo was also the site of a CIA black site—a detention center the CIA did not acknowledge where they tortured suspects. The CIA operated such sites in a number of countries, and the Senate investigation reportedly says a black site was operated at the Guantanamo detention center.

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2. CIA used British-controlled island. Leopold also revealed that the Senate report confirms long-standing claims of high-level British collusion with the CIA.

Journalists and human rights advocates have claimed that a United Kingdom-controlled island called Diego Garcia, located in the Indian Ocean, was used to secretly detain suspects. The Senate report says the CIA used the island with the “full cooperation” of Britain.

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3. CIA handed over prisoners who are now dead. Yet another explosive detail in Leopold’s report is that 10 terror suspects eventually handed off to foreign governments are unaccounted for. U.S. officials told Leopold they are presumed dead.

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4. CIA went beyond legal memo. In 2002, the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel drafted a report authorizing CIA torture, saying that the use of waterboarding, sleep deprivation and stress positions were perfectly legal. It was written by Deputy Assistant Attorney General John Yoo; Jay Bybee, then head of the office, signed off on it.
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5 Explosive Revelations Leaked from Senate Report Exposing CIA Torture (Original Post) xchrom Apr 2014 OP
Imagine The Worst And Then Add 100% cantbeserious Apr 2014 #1
not a word on the teevee questionseverything Apr 2014 #25
Shame on us democrank Apr 2014 #2
Or hasn't prosecuted the offenders on point Apr 2014 #15
that is what i can not get past questionseverything Apr 2014 #32
it would be political suicide arely staircase Apr 2014 #34
since current admin promoted comey, who was knee deep in all of it questionseverything Apr 2014 #35
because it would be political suicide. nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #36
it would of been suicide to not appoint a torturer to head the fbi? questionseverything Apr 2014 #37
prosecuting CIA interrogators (torturers) would be extremely unpopular. arely staircase Apr 2014 #38
Under law failure to prosecute is part of the war crime, and the pres is craven on point Apr 2014 #39
according to what statute or treaty? nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #40
from the link@ 25 questionseverything Apr 2014 #42
so none arely staircase Apr 2014 #43
if it was as clear cut as you think questionseverything Apr 2014 #44
you win the non sequitor award arely staircase Apr 2014 #45
is that you mr mitchell? questionseverything Apr 2014 #47
well you are all over the place arely staircase Apr 2014 #48
I suppose that's one, of many ways to rationalize it. LanternWaste Apr 2014 #49
someone specifically said that was the case arely staircase Apr 2014 #50
The average American don't have to take the blame mylye2222 Apr 2014 #53
k&r Soylent Brice Apr 2014 #3
It is telling that the Bush Administration would choose to engage in torture. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #4
"...the CIA held 26 people that did not meet the legal standard for detaining someone" FourScore Apr 2014 #5
Diego Garcia again?? elias49 Apr 2014 #6
I caught that too. n/t 2pooped2pop Apr 2014 #7
Never let those who were silent live this down. johnnyreb Apr 2014 #8
Justice Department? rickyhall Apr 2014 #9
War crimes! War crimes! War crimes! malaise Apr 2014 #10
5. CIA lied about number of prisoners. Octafish Apr 2014 #11
And still no prosecutions for the architects of these crimes. DirkGently Apr 2014 #12
does anyone know if specific army units mopinko Apr 2014 #13
Sad K&R. Too much to say. Overseas Apr 2014 #14
and bu$h & cheney are enjoying their pensions....fuck all spanone Apr 2014 #16
Raise your hand if you are surprised nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #17
the war criminals still walk freely in America.... mike_c Apr 2014 #18
indeed, and they enjoy secret service protection! grasswire Apr 2014 #19
Kick. GoneFishin Apr 2014 #20
No one will be held accountable FlyByNight Apr 2014 #21
K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #22
Horrific Report, glad to know people like Jason Leopold are digging deep.. 2banon Apr 2014 #23
they're not 'party centric' enough...or something like that. nt xchrom Apr 2014 #28
They cause cognitive dissonance: Maedhros Apr 2014 #51
Enemies will never surrender if they know they will be tortured. nilesobek Apr 2014 #24
since current admin will not prosecute questionseverything Apr 2014 #27
I'm just wondering if our leadership is in the torture game or not. nilesobek Apr 2014 #30
i do not know about NOW questionseverything Apr 2014 #31
It appears the answer is "yes." Maedhros Apr 2014 #52
Shut it down. Because, among many other reasons, it creates more harm than good. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #26
I recall BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #29
K & R'd & Bookmarked. snot Apr 2014 #33
Don't worry, justice will be done. JoeyT Apr 2014 #41
Cheney has ADMITTED publicly to his guilt regarding Water Boarding. Nothing has sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #46

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
25. not a word on the teevee
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 02:56 PM
Apr 2014
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=10582

As we noted on Friday, when we also published the report's disturbing conclusions [PDF], the 6,600-page study, based on first-hand CIA documentation, reveals massive illegalities and war crimes by everyone from CIA contractors to agents to higher level officials at that agency and others.

The report is said to detail wide-spread crimes that are not only in violation of U.S. law, but also international laws which our nation has an obligation to enforce, thanks to treaties we have long been a party to. And, if we don't enforce those laws and hold the criminals accountable for lawlessness such as torture, all the rest of the nations signed on to such treaties along with us, such as the UN Convention against Torture, have a legal obligation to do so.

The prohibition against torture under that treaty is absolute for all nations. "No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture," according to Article 2 of the treaty.

All of that comes on the heels of revelations that the CIA itself had used the computers of the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee in an attempt to sabotage the committee's report.

Yet, with a report that important and a story that big, not a single U.S. network "news" show on Sunday found the time to even mention the report. Not NBC's Meet the Press with David Gregory, not ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos, not CBS' Face the Nation with Bob Schieffer, not Fox "News" Sunday with Chris Wallace.

democrank

(11,085 posts)
2. Shame on us
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 06:51 AM
Apr 2014

and any country that colluded with us or looked the other way. Shame on each and every American who knew about this and either approved it outright or kept quiet about it.

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
32. that is what i can not get past
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 03:49 PM
Apr 2014

how can the current admin let this go unpunished?

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Among the graphic statements, which were later released under US freedom of information laws, is that of Kasim Mehaddi Hilas in which he says: “I saw ******* a kid, his age would be about 15 to 18 years. The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets. Then when I heard screaming I climbed the door because on top it wasn’t covered and I saw who was wearing the military uniform, putting his **** in the little kid’s ***…. and the female soldier was taking pictures.”

The translator was an American Egyptian who is now the subject of a civil court case in the US.

Three detainees, including the alleged victim, refer to the use of a phosphorescent tube in the sexual abuse and another to the use of wire, while the victim also refers to part of a policeman’s “stick” all of which were apparently photographed.

From the Taguba Report – originally published in 2004 – we know that a translator named Abu Hamid committed sodomy on prisoners under the supervision – and with the participation – of several soldiers. One of the prisoners sodomized may have been Hilas, who also reported sexual abuse with a “phosphoric light”. Hilas describes all of these events being photographed. Here is Hilas’ sworn affidavit, which was part of the Taguba Report.

Other prisoners, such as Mustafa Jassim Mustafa, also confirmed in sworn declarations rape with a “phosphoric light”.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
34. it would be political suicide
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 06:47 PM
Apr 2014

stopping the practice was probably all that was possible. also I could very well see congress passing a veto proof immunity bill for anyone the DOJ went after on it. the whole "he should have prosecuted Bush/Cheney/CIA whatever" meme makes for fun Obama bashing for but it ignores reality.

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
35. since current admin promoted comey, who was knee deep in all of it
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 06:58 PM
Apr 2014

it is pretty clear he never had any intention of prosecuting

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In short, the memo Comey that approved gave a thumbs-up on waterboarding, wall slams, and other forms of torture – all violations of domestic and international law.

Then, there's warrantless wiretapping. Many media reports describe that Comey's defiant stand at Ashcroft's bedside was in opposition to the warrantless wiretapping of Americans international communications. But we simply do not know exactly what Comey opposed, or why or what reforms he believed brought the secret program within the rule of law. We do, however, know that Comey was read into the program in January 2004.

While, to his credit, he immediately began raising concerns, the program was still in existence when the New York Times exposed it in December 2005. This was a year and a half after Comey's hospital showdown with Gonzales and Card. In fact, the warrantless wiretapping program was supported by a May 2004 legal opinion (pdf) produced by the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel and signed off by Comey, which replaced the 2001 legal opinion Comey had problems with.

This, of course, raises the question: just what illegal surveillance program did Comey oppose so much he would resign over it? Last weekend, the Washington Post provided a new theory: the Marina program, which collects internet metadata. Now, the Senate has an opportunity to end the theorizing and find out what exactly Comey objected to. It's a line of questioning that senators should focus doggedly on, in light of the recent revelations in the Post and the Guardian.

The final stain on Comey's record was his full-throated defense of the indefinite military detention of an American citizen arrested on American soil. In a June 2004 press conference, Comey told of Jose Padilla, an alleged al-Qaida member accused of plotting to detonate a dirty bomb as well as blow up apartment buildings in an American city. By working for al-Qaida, Padilla, Comey argued, could be deprived of a lawyer and indefinitely detained as an enemy combatant on a military brig off the South Carolina coast for the purpose of extracting intelligence out of him.

It turned out that Padilla was never charged with the list of crimes and criminal associations pinned on him by Comey that day. When Padilla was finally convicted – in a federal court – in August 2007, it wasn't for plotting dirty bomb attacks or blowing up apartment buildings. Rather, he was convicted of material support of terrorism overseas. During his indefinite military detention, Padilla was tortured.
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https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security-human-rights/lets-check-james-comeys-bush-years-record-he-becomes-fbi

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
37. it would of been suicide to not appoint a torturer to head the fbi?
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 07:13 PM
Apr 2014

is he running for a third term?

potus was elected to clean up this mess,he would not be "committing suicide"

he would be a hero

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
38. prosecuting CIA interrogators (torturers) would be extremely unpopular.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 07:16 PM
Apr 2014

and if there were a major terrorist attack during it. that would be the end of the Democratic Party for a generation.

on point

(2,506 posts)
39. Under law failure to prosecute is part of the war crime, and the pres is craven
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 09:10 PM
Apr 2014

That is a failure of leadership and fails the country and world. Failure to prosecute means it will happen again.

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
42. from the link@ 25
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 02:04 PM
Apr 2014

The report is said to detail wide-spread crimes that are not only in violation of U.S. law, but also international laws which our nation has an obligation to enforce, thanks to treaties we have long been a party to. And, if we don't enforce those laws and hold the criminals accountable for lawlessness such as torture, all the rest of the nations signed on to such treaties along with us, such as the UN Convention against Torture, have a legal obligation to do so.

The prohibition against torture under that treaty is absolute for all nations. "No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture," according to Article 2 of the treaty.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
43. so none
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 02:51 PM
Apr 2014

There is no law that says that not prosecuting war crimes is itself a war crime. It just isn't the case. Prosecutors decline to prosecute all kinds of things all the time for all kinds of reasons, some of them good some of them bad. But it is called prosecutorial discretion and it is a real thing, unlike your assertion that failure to prosecute war crimes makes one guilty of or complicit in a war crime.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
45. you win the non sequitor award
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 03:31 PM
Apr 2014

do tell. how does a lack of coverage of this story in any way shape or form evidence the existence of a law that says the failure to prosecute war crimes is a war crime? it doesn't nothing does because no such law exists.

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
47. is that you mr mitchell?
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 03:34 PM
Apr 2014

CIA torture architect breaks silence to defend 'enhanced interrogation'


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/18/cia-torture-architect-enhanced-interrogation
<snip>
• James Mitchell 'highly skeptical' of Senate report on CIA torture
• 'It was not illegal based on the law at the time'
• Mitchell said to have waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed
• Interview: 'I'm just a guy who got asked to do something for his country'


The psychologist regarded as the architect of the CIA's “enhanced interrogation” program has broken a seven-year silence to defend the use of torture techniques against al-Qaida terror suspects in the wake of the 9/11 attacks.

In an uncompromising and wide-ranging interview with the Guardian, his first public remarks since he was linked to the program in 2007, James Mitchell was dismissive of a Senate intelligence committee report on CIA torture in which he features, and which is currently at the heart of an intense row between legislators and the agency.

The committee’s report found that the interrogation techniques devised by Mitchell, a retired air force psychologist, were far more brutal than disclosed at the time, and did not yield useful intelligence. These included waterboarding, stress positions, sleep deprivation for days at a time, confinement in a box and being slammed into walls.

But Mitchell, who was reported to have personally waterboarded accused 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, remains unrepentant. “The people on the ground did the best they could with the way they understood the law at the time,” he said. “You can't ask someone to put their life on the line and think and make a decision without the benefit of hindsight and then eviscerate them in the press 10 years later.”

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
48. well you are all over the place
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 03:37 PM
Apr 2014

what next? posting baseball scores to prove it is a crime to not prosecute a crime? maybe videos of the Westminster dog show? maybe that would prove such laws exist outside your head.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
49. I suppose that's one, of many ways to rationalize it.
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 03:39 PM
Apr 2014

There is no law that says that not prosecuting war crimes is itself a war crime..."

I suppose that's one, of many ways to rationalize it.

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
53. The average American don't have to take the blame
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 04:52 PM
Apr 2014

for a whole war crimanal team being in power at the time those atrocities were perpetrated.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
4. It is telling that the Bush Administration would choose to engage in torture.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 07:33 AM
Apr 2014

After all the other questionable goings on, like a stolen election and illegal surveillance.

FourScore

(9,704 posts)
5. "...the CIA held 26 people that did not meet the legal standard for detaining someone"
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 07:44 AM
Apr 2014

In other words, they were children.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
6. Diego Garcia again??
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 07:49 AM
Apr 2014

How strange a coincidence....there's that island again that some thought might be the destination of the ill-fated flight 370.

mopinko

(70,000 posts)
13. does anyone know if specific army units
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 08:50 AM
Apr 2014

or any other identifying information is in that report?
i know they are redacting names, and all. but my nephew was a big hero in this "war" and i really fear what he may have done.
he is also up for a generals star. sigh.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
17. Raise your hand if you are surprised
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 09:28 AM
Apr 2014

And why we're so cynical at this pont.

Oh and none n senior leadership ever face a court. That is what oligarchies do.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
19. indeed, and they enjoy secret service protection!
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 12:38 PM
Apr 2014

Imagine that. The taxpayers are paying for protection for openly known war criminals.

FlyByNight

(1,756 posts)
21. No one will be held accountable
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 01:20 PM
Apr 2014

...at least not among the policy makers, anyway.

Yup, "they" hate us for our "values".

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
23. Horrific Report, glad to know people like Jason Leopold are digging deep..
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 02:10 PM
Apr 2014

Glad to know he's credited with this investigation too. I remember when he was thrown under the bus by a pack wolves on this board years ago.. just like people throw Taibbi, Greenwald, Scahill, Perry and a number of other journalists. There seemed to be some jealousy if memory serves.. it was quite astonishing to observe.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
51. They cause cognitive dissonance:
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 04:44 PM
Apr 2014

On the one hand, people hold a deeply-felt belief that Obama is a transformative, noble President.

On the other, people are confronted with the stark reality that he is providing political cover and legal protection for war criminals who authorized the rape of children (and is allowing the NSA to destroy our privacy, and is drastically expanding our military operations worldwide, and is hinting at social security cuts, and....)

Both things cannot be true, therefore the negative things MUST NOT BE TRUE.

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
24. Enemies will never surrender if they know they will be tortured.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 02:54 PM
Apr 2014

Nice going Bush. Now the enemy is even more fanatical than ever.

This is a huge weakness for the Republicans. They broke National and International Law. We Democrats should be able to exploit this to win the House and Senate...that is...if the Democratic leadership has clean hands in the torture game.

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
27. since current admin will not prosecute
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 03:00 PM
Apr 2014

it will not help the 99%

and it will happen again,if it is not going on now

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
30. I'm just wondering if our leadership is in the torture game or not.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 03:18 PM
Apr 2014

It could of been like a runaway train with this admin. What makes you think they likely are doing it now?

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
31. i do not know about NOW
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 03:45 PM
Apr 2014

but if it is never punished it will happen again

current admin by not prosecuting is actively obstructing justice

BlindTiresias

(1,563 posts)
29. I recall
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 03:12 PM
Apr 2014

People calling others "conspiracy theorists" for arguing that Diego Garcia was a CIA black site several years ago.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
41. Don't worry, justice will be done.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 10:37 PM
Apr 2014

If we ever find out who leaked that, the full fury of the Obama DOJ will rain down on them.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
46. Cheney has ADMITTED publicly to his guilt regarding Water Boarding. Nothing has
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 03:34 PM
Apr 2014

happened to him. Nothing WILL happen to any of them. Condi Rice is lecturing on Civil Rights these days, Yoo is a College Professor.

The Spanish Court prepared a case against six of these war criminals including I believe, Yoo and possibly Bybee. The US Govt according to the leaked Wilileaks cables, pressure that court to 'leave them alone'.

It's nice that every once in a while we get some more confirmation of the crimes, but it never leads anywhere.

I suspect that Condi Rice is being considered for the Republican Presidential ticket as VP candidate, and half the country will support her.

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