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Tue Mar 27, 2012, 08:35 PM

Witnesses contradict zimmerman's claims

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/crime/2012/03/19/bts-florida-martin-teen-shooting-witnesses.wkmg#/video/crime/2012/03/19/bts-florida-martin-teen-shooting-witnesses.wkmg

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Reply Witnesses contradict zimmerman's claims (Original post)
noiretextatique Mar 2012 OP
yourout Mar 2012 #1
safeinOhio Mar 2012 #2
jeff47 Mar 2012 #15
BanzaiBonnie Mar 2012 #23
DallasNE Mar 2012 #25
X_Digger Mar 2012 #27
jeff47 Mar 2012 #36
duhneece Mar 2012 #37
noiretextatique Mar 2012 #3
felix_numinous Mar 2012 #4
robinlynne Mar 2012 #19
noiretextatique Mar 2012 #31
robinlynne Mar 2012 #32
X_Digger Mar 2012 #33
noiretextatique Mar 2012 #34
noiretextatique Mar 2012 #5
sonias Mar 2012 #6
noiretextatique Mar 2012 #7
librechik Mar 2012 #8
EFerrari Mar 2012 #9
noiretextatique Mar 2012 #12
EFerrari Mar 2012 #16
noiretextatique Mar 2012 #17
Iliyah Mar 2012 #22
xtraxritical Mar 2012 #35
robinlynne Mar 2012 #20
LineReply .
Go Vols Mar 2012 #10
noiretextatique Mar 2012 #14
Oilwellian Mar 2012 #21
noiretextatique Mar 2012 #24
Iliyah Mar 2012 #26
noiretextatique Mar 2012 #30
K Gardner Apr 2012 #41
burrowowl Mar 2012 #11
Smilo Mar 2012 #13
Starry Messenger Mar 2012 #18
spanone Mar 2012 #28
CakeGrrl Mar 2012 #29
ladeeanne Mar 2012 #38
noiretextatique Apr 2012 #39
JI7 Apr 2012 #40

Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 08:40 PM

1. Huge KnR.......it was flat out murder.

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 08:44 PM

2. I couldn't figure out the motive to cover up.

Now we find Zimmerman's father is a retired judge. How he got off on other charges, his father is a judge. Why the prosecutor wouldn't charge, his father had been a judge.

Now it all makes sense.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 10:11 PM

15. His dad was a judge in VA and is now retired. He's not going to have much pull in FL. (nt)

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 11:23 PM

23. Randi Rhodes reported today that Zimmerman wrote on an application that

his father was a judge in Virginia.

Randi stated that as far as she understood that Zimmerman's dad was military. It waits to be seen how the facts actually roll out.

This is bad news for Zimmerman either way. If his father was a judge, then it begs the question, were strings pulled. If his dad was never a judge, that makes Zimmerman a ginormous liar. This will work against him either way.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 11:31 PM

25. Do You Have A Reliable Link

What I've read says he was a Judge in Orange County, FL. And is it possible that he was a Judge in both places.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #25)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 11:33 PM

27. There's also an Orange County, Va., but no link re retirement. n/t

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #25)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:54 AM

36. It's what was being reported a month ago

Now I find all sorts of unreliable links claiming he's a FL judge....one of the key elements demonstrating their unreliability is they fail to note he's retired.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 05:28 PM

37. My father worked for the sheriff's dept in Riverside CA

I lived in NM. When he visited, he met local law enforcement. He told me then, and time proved him right, that I would have additional 'protection'.

I believe Zimmerman's dad Does/Did have pull....they do tend to protect one another.

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 08:56 PM

3. it was clearly Trayvon who was crying out for help

and it is clear that zimmerman was on top of him. they body was face down on the grass.

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:01 PM

4. Why Zimmerman is not at least in police custody

is beyond me. I hear the Feds are getting involved--the LEAST they can do is arrest Zimmerman now. We all know if the roles were reversed and a black man had the gun how this would have gone down. This lawlessness has to end somewhere, and some time--please let this be the time!



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Response to felix_numinous (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 10:54 PM

19. The only guess I have is that she wants to make sure to get the evidence before the arrest?

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #19)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 11:51 PM

31. lead investigator wanted to arrest him that night

but apparently DA didn't think the manslaughter charge would stick...or something like that. a dead body is probable cause enough for me.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #31)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 11:58 PM

32. That story didn't make sense to me. On tv they hold you for 2 or 3 days in a case like this.

they don't decide on day one whether or not the charges will stick. That story stunk.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #32)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 11:59 PM

33. Well, that's on TV. n/t

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #32)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 12:00 AM

34. it makes no sense...except

zimmerman is the son of a judge, with three prior arrests that also went no where.

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:10 PM

5. i won't be surprised when these women receive death threats eom

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:20 PM

6. I hope that they stand by their statements

And have the courage of their convictions. I hope their friends and family will also stand by them and protect them. They're doing the right thing by speaking the truth to help Trayvon Martin's family get justice.

I hold out hope for their safe journey to testify in this trial. Bless them.

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Response to sonias (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:22 PM

7. they had the courage to step forward

i think they will stick it out. i pray for the safety, and appreciate what they are doing.

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:28 PM

8. dang, ask those ladies if they saw Zimmerman bleeding or hurt!

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:33 PM

9. Could someone please post a summary?

The video won't load for me.

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:53 PM

12. both witnesses say Martin was face down on the ground

Last edited Tue Mar 27, 2012, 11:49 PM - Edit history (1)

by the time they say what was happening, which contradicts the asshole's claims that Martin was on top of him. sorry...do not know how to embed video.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 10:20 PM

16. Thank you.

My connection gets too slow for video sometimes.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 10:24 PM

17. someone posted a faux news link

for a witness who claims Martin was on top. if that is true, how did Martin end up face down on the ground, per the other witness accounts?

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #17)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 11:21 PM

22. That means Trayvon

was shot point blank meaning blood would have spattered all over Zimmerman. Trayvon was found face down and his arms and hands were underneath him. Zimmerman had to come from underneath Trayvon. Where is the blood?

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #22)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 01:00 AM

35. Where is the autopsy report? Was he shot in the back or not? That's what I want to know.

 

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 10:55 PM

20. Thanks. my computer is too old to see the video.

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:34 PM

10. .


another vid with eyewitness account to part of fight less than 24 hours after shooting.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 10:10 PM

14. well, if fox is reporting it

i am automatically suspicious, however i don't think it means much. if Trayvon was kicking his racist ass...good for him. the coward deserved it.

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 11:21 PM

21. You are where the disconnect is

The fight was already over by the time Zimmerman and Trayvon wound up in this lady's back yard. According to Ms. Cutcher, after talking to other neighbors, she learned a fight did occur between Zimmerman and Trayvon, 4 houses down from her. She did not hear the fight. She heard what happened after a fight. When someone is crying for help, the fight is over. After the gunshot, the crying stopped. Just seconds after the gunshot, Ms. Cutcher saw Zimmerman straddling over Trayvon. If it was Trayvon on top of Zimmerman as he claims when he shot the gun, how on earth did he get out from under Trayvon within seconds?

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #21)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 11:23 PM

24. bingo!

how in the world did THAT happen? according to him, he's on the ground being pummeled, but the eyewitnesses saw him on top, with the kid face down on the ground.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #21)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 11:32 PM

26. It appears that

Trayvon was fighting for his life and lost, and since he can't speak, there needs to be a reconstruction expert to try and re-create what happened.

Zimmerman clearly had the intend to detain Trayvon. Trayvon felt threaten, who wouldn't, probably saw the gun and felt he needed to protect himself. He tried to get away but Zimmeran pursued him anyway and Trayvon would do what many people would do "Stand your Ground".

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #26)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 11:42 PM

30. right...it seems that law applies more to Trayvon than zimmerman

the busybody who initiated the conflict in the first place. people have the right to be left alone, regardless of someone's "suspicions" about their existence.

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #10)

Sun Apr 1, 2012, 06:03 PM

41. Wow. A Tennessean who watches Fox and defends Zimmerman.

Who'd have thunk it?

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:41 PM

11. K&R!!!!!

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 10:08 PM

13. I am watching this and crying...........

we need justice for Trayvon.

We need true justice for all those wrongly accused; sadly it won't bring Trayvon back, but hopefully his death will make a difference.

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 10:32 PM

18. k&r

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 11:38 PM

28. the lead detective never called back an eyewitness???? this stinks to high heaven

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 11:40 PM

29. The DOJ can't put these pieces together fast enough.

That murdering POS doesn't deserve another second of freedom.

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Response to noiretextatique (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 07:40 PM

38. Only Two People Know and One is Dead

I think it's very important to keep the 'vigilante mindset' of the general media and public down to a silent whisper. Noone knows what happed except Zimmerman and Trayvon and unfortunately Trayvon is dead. However, that does not automatically make Zipperman guilty of murder. Noone would want to be in his shoes right now. It's always entirely possible that he has some validity to his story...POSSIBLE. I thinks it's extremely important to keep this thought in mind, before making accusations, critical judgements and irrational conclusions like the media so often seem to do, before the story has been investigated thoroughly. Hopefully time and proper unbiased investigations will be able to shed some very important light into the truth of this whole sad story. Until then, everyone should try and show some empathy for BOTH Zimmerman and his family and Trayvon's family. We don't walk in their shoes, so lets try not to leave judgemental footprints

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Response to ladeeanne (Reply #38)

Sun Apr 1, 2012, 05:40 PM

39. zimmerman's story is bogus

anyone with even half a brain can see that. and, as we now know, the lead detective wanted to arrest zimmerman because he did not believe his story. i am most certainly convinced that zimmerman is both a liar and a murderer. he should be arrested, tried, and hopefully convicted of murder. that may or may not happen, but it should. witnesses contradict his story, and now voice experts have confirmed he was the one crying for help. the sooner this murdered is arrested, the better.

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Response to ladeeanne (Reply #38)

Sun Apr 1, 2012, 05:54 PM

40. the only ones making judgements irrational conclusions etc are those attacking Trayvon

even if Trayvon is dead we have a lot of evidence.

and Zimmerman has been proven to be a liar multiple times.

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