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Tue Mar 27, 2012, 07:39 PM

When I Think Of Trayvon Martin's Last Moments... I Can't Help But Think Of This By Norman Rockwell

Southern Justice (Murder in Mississippi) by Norman Rockwell



More on Race by Rockwell...







Peace...


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Reply When I Think Of Trayvon Martin's Last Moments... I Can't Help But Think Of This By Norman Rockwell (Original post)
WillyT Mar 2012 OP
tinymontgomery Mar 2012 #1
WillyT Mar 2012 #2
freshwest Mar 2012 #9
FailureToCommunicate Mar 2012 #14
WillyT Mar 2012 #18
awoke_in_2003 Mar 2012 #31
freshwest Mar 2012 #33
hlthe2b Mar 2012 #3
dflprincess Mar 2012 #15
fascisthunter Mar 2012 #4
ceile Mar 2012 #5
WolverineDG Mar 2012 #42
one_voice Mar 2012 #6
Gidney N Cloyd Mar 2012 #7
Ron Obvious Mar 2012 #8
jwirr Mar 2012 #11
ieoeja Mar 2012 #30
jwirr Mar 2012 #48
yardwork Mar 2012 #10
burrowowl Mar 2012 #12
CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2012 #13
awoke_in_2003 Mar 2012 #32
MrScorpio Mar 2012 #16
Uncle Joe Mar 2012 #17
WillyT Mar 2012 #22
gateley Mar 2012 #19
WillyT Mar 2012 #21
gateley Mar 2012 #25
tabasco Mar 2012 #20
foo_bar Mar 2012 #23
WillyT Mar 2012 #24
gateley Mar 2012 #26
foo_bar Mar 2012 #28
gateley Mar 2012 #29
arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #27
PADemD Mar 2012 #34
JDPriestly Mar 2012 #35
marshall gaines Mar 2012 #36
riderinthestorm Mar 2012 #46
Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #37
BB_Troll Mar 2012 #38
tkmorris Mar 2012 #39
BB_Troll Mar 2012 #43
cyberswede Mar 2012 #41
BB_Troll Mar 2012 #44
noiretextatique Sep 2012 #51
Kingofalldems Mar 2012 #47
Skraxx Mar 2012 #40
Brigid Mar 2012 #45
marshall gaines Mar 2012 #49
Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #50

Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 08:15 PM

1. Thanks

never realized he did drawings like this. Most we see are of a peaceful home life etc.

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Response to tinymontgomery (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 08:22 PM

2. You Are Quite Welcome !!! - And I Didn't Know Either Until I Found That First One A Few Years Back..


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Response to WillyT (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:16 PM

9. I remember these days like they were yesterday. First was Medgar Evers, in June of 1963.

I asked my father, how could anyone shoot that man in his yard, in front of his family, and would they come for us, too?

Then the little girls who were in the church in Birmingham, where they should have been safe, killed by racist bombing, in September of that year.

Then President Kennedy was killed in November of that year.

We'd barely recovered from that, then came the murder of the young men in your first portrait there, in June of 1964.

Then the Vietnam War got bigger and we pretty much know how many years were involved in that.

Then the murder of Martin Luther King in April of 1968, and the murder of Robert Kennedy in June of 1968.

And the Vietnam War got bigger. It was horror after horror. And that was just with the big names.

The same groups that were opposing America moving forward, are still here and have not given up. They are funded very well and have pushed to destroy every progressive movement.

Memory is a political act. Forgetfulness is the handmaiden of tyranny. - James Carroll

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Response to freshwest (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:54 PM

14. Sadly, I remember those times as well...

Birmingham Sunday (by Richard Farina - as sung by his sister in law Joan Baez)

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Response to freshwest (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 10:21 PM

18. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!!




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Response to freshwest (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 12:02 PM

31. "The same groups that were opposing America moving forward...

are still here and have not given up"- no truer words have been spoken here.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 12:20 PM

33. BTW, one of the men murdered in Mississippi had protected Robert Reich as a child from bullies.

He hasn't talked about it much, but let it slip in a lecture a while back that I saw uploaded by someone on youtube.

Reich was young and targeted for being small and the older boy stood in the way and kept his tormentors away while he was in school and they became friends. His friend's passion for justice influenced Reich and when he was murdered, it set him on the road to never give into bullies.

This is why I don't go for lumping all Democrats in the same mold as the GOP, or calling my representatives people weak. I have known personally some who have gone through opposition from the forces of regression and intolerance, to the point of being terrorized, and it tries their soul. I tire of 'they're all crooks' meme by people who have not been through the fire.

Many have served for the common good in small ways, have had their own personal struggles that millions will never hear about and that drive them to be active. Each are individuals with their own story that we never hear.

We need to avoid disrespecting those who are putting themselves on the line for us. Reich said that he was no hero; that man was his hero and role model growing up. Just adding that, as these events made us stronger and to know our purposes.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 08:33 PM

3. I'd seen every one except the first one... I love the last one. Powerful

Rockwell gets demeaned by those who think he was just a commercial artist, but I think that is unfair. He was very effective in getting an important message across in his works.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:57 PM

15. A mosaic of the last one is at the United Nations

or it was when I took the tour in 1986. I keep telling a friend we should do that on one of our trips to NYC, she's only seen the outside of the building & I keep telling her she needs the tour just for the way you feel bombarded by high ideals. It's a great feeling.


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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 08:35 PM

4. his artwork inspired me to become an artist

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 08:39 PM

5. omg

I've only seen the little girl one....I'm speechless. That first painting...I know nothing about Rockwell. Was he a fighter for racial quality?
Thank you for posting this.

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Response to ceile (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 07:21 PM

42. yes

the little girl one was a cover for the Saturday Evening Post & shocked a lot of people, made them the civil rights fight in a different light.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 08:43 PM

6. K&R....

thanks for these.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 08:45 PM

7. I'm stunned. I thought I knew Rockwell now I'm wondering why I didn't.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:08 PM

8. These have completely altered my view of Norman Rockwell

I must say these have completely altered my view of Norman Rockwell. I think we generally assume him to be the artist of choice for white-bread America yearning for the 1950's. I'm very grateful to you for changing my mind.

"I own a rare picture of Normal Rockwell striking a small child" -- Steven Wright

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Response to Ron Obvious (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:19 PM

11. Born and raised way back then. To me Norman Rockwell has always been talking about the 99%.

The common man and woman. Life the way it really was back then. I have never seen the first one and would be interested in what it is depicting.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 11:01 AM

30. I believe that is the killing of 3 Civil Rights activists in Philadelphia, Mississippi.


The city is famous for two things:

1. A group of men murdered 3 Civil Rights activists then were acquitted by an all White jury even after bragging about committing the murders. They could not then be retried because that would violate the double jepoardy clause in the Constitution. This is why we now have Federal hate crimes enabling the Feds to go after those sheltered by local government.

2. Ronald Reagan announced his candidacy there in 1980. His speech, centered on State Rights (Powers), can only be interpreted as support for the above action since the city's only claim to fame was exercising their right to kill Civil Rights activists.


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Response to ieoeja (Reply #30)

Thu Mar 29, 2012, 10:00 AM

48. Thank you. Very touching picture.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:17 PM

10. I've been thinking about Bob Dylan's lyrics to Oxford Town

He went down to Oxford Town
Guns and clubs followed him down
All because his face was brown
Better get away from Oxford Town

...
Two men died ’neath the Mississippi moon
Somebody better investigate soon

Thank you for this thread.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:25 PM

12. Thanks for post!

I had forgotten some of these

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:29 PM

13. Thank you, my dear WillyT...

The first and the third pictures are new to me, and wow. He really got it.

I do not understand why we cannot live in accord with the Golden Rule...

It would be paradise.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 12:06 PM

32. "why we cannot live in accord with the Golden Rule"...

no money in it, Peggy. We have greedy little people running this country, keeping us all bickering amongst ourselves while they rob us blind. Race is one of the hot button issues they use to keep us stirred up. There is little hope for this species.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:59 PM

16. Rockwell has always been one my favorite artists.

These paintings are one reason why.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 10:21 PM

17. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, WillyT.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #17)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 10:54 PM

22. Anytime Uncle Joe, Anytime...






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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 10:25 PM

19. Here's the true story behind Murder in Mississippi:

On June 21, 1964, three young civil rights workers—a 21-year-old black Mississippian, James Chaney, and two white New Yorkers, Andrew Goodman, 20, and Michael Schwerner, 24—were murdered near Philadelphia, in Nashoba County, Mississippi. They had been working to register black voters in Mississippi during Freedom Summer and had gone to investigate the burning of a black church. They were arrested by the police on trumped-up charges, imprisoned for several hours, and then released after dark into the hands of the Ku Klux Klan, who beat and murdered them. It was later proven in court that a conspiracy existed between members of Neshoba County's law enforcement and the Ku Klux Klan to kill them. /snip

Read more: The Murders of James Chaney, Andrew Goodman & Michael Schwerner - Civil Rights Case — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmjustice4.html#ixzz1qNHJxN66

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Response to gateley (Reply #19)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 10:36 PM

21. Thank You For That !!!


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Response to WillyT (Reply #21)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 11:35 PM

25. Glad to do it -- I only know there IS a true story because I saw this pic on (where else?)

DU a year (years?) ago, and it was mentioned then. If I recall, the person who linked to the story had a better link than I found, but this still tells tragedy.

Hate makes my heart hurt.

I love that Rockwell has painted himself into Do Unto Others.

Beautiful work.



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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 10:29 PM

20. Thanks for posting. n/t

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 11:13 PM

23. I visited the Rockwell museum two days ago (stockbridge mass)

All of the originals in the OP were on display, with the exception of Murder which was on loan to an unnamed museum (and replaced with a comparatively dull architectural study of Stockbridge, which the artist allegedly spent 12 years on because it bored him to tears.) Fun fact: the model for the rabbi in "The Golden Rule" was Irish Catholic. Other random factoid: the artist stopped working for the Saturday Evening Post because he couldn't address meaningful social justice issues (beyond "The Four Freedoms", the role of ragdolls in patient-centered healthcare, and the dangers of runaway children in pre-Taser America), so the first two pics in the OP were commissioned by Look magazine IIRC.

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Response to foo_bar (Reply #23)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 11:21 PM

24. Great Info, Thanks !!!




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Response to foo_bar (Reply #23)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 11:37 PM

26. Murder was for Look, but never released. Isn't that Rockwell himself in the Do Unto Others, too? n

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Response to gateley (Reply #26)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:46 AM

28. is he the gaunt looking chap in the upper righthand corner?

His wife (at the time) appears in the painting, but I didn't realize he also makes a cameo appearance. In his dueling blacksmith painting (http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Blacksmith-s-Boy-Heel-and-Toe-Posters_i8348911_.htm) he uses one model as the basis of four different characters, and the (much younger) artist is represented by the awestruck boy on the left.

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Response to foo_bar (Reply #28)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:52 AM

29. That's what I thought, but when I went looking for proof I couldn't find it.

He did make a cameo in, I think, one of the Four Freedoms, but only part of his face.

That's interesting about his wife. I'm going to check out the dueling blacksmith now -- I've always loved Rockwell.




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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 11:49 PM

27. Powerful, beautiful and if only they could be

embossed into the hearts and minds of all. Thank you

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 01:18 PM

34. Prints are available at the Norman Rockwell Museum

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 01:30 PM

35. Wonderful pictures -- especially the last one. Thanks.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 01:37 PM

36. bitter fruit

 

Billie Holidays 'strange fruit' was a reaction to seeing hanging black men when she was in the south. Trayvon Martin is america's bitter fruit of today. sad indeed that this can still happen here.

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Response to marshall gaines (Reply #36)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:42 PM

46. +1 and welcome to DU! K & R!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 01:52 PM

37. kick

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 07:03 PM

38. Knowing that it happened is the first step

It's a tragedy, but I don't think Mr. Zimmerman is a Caucasian...

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Response to BB_Troll (Reply #38)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 07:06 PM

39. You put "Troll" in your name?

Kind of an odd choice.

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Response to tkmorris (Reply #39)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 07:24 PM

43. I enjoy a dry sense of humor.

Some would call it VERY dry.

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Response to BB_Troll (Reply #38)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 07:17 PM

41. Many Hispanic people identify as Caucasian.

I see demographics questions on forms all the time where a person can choose "hispanic" for ethnicity, and THEN the question on race comes up - whether one considers themselves caucasuan or black or mixed race, etc.

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Response to cyberswede (Reply #41)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 07:28 PM

44. Alright, assuming that is close to the truth...

I'm still not sure these fine pieces of art align with the situation in Florida. Seems to be a stretch.

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Response to BB_Troll (Reply #44)

Thu Sep 6, 2012, 10:30 PM

51. no, it is not a stretch at all

the people who killed civil rights workers saw them as less than human. zimmerman saw Trayvon Martin as less than human.
simple.

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Response to BB_Troll (Reply #38)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:49 PM

47. Well looky here

Looks like ol Zimmy had no injuries at all.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 07:07 PM

40. Art that overflows with power

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 07:36 PM

45. I've seen these before.

They were posted on DU some time back. Always worth seeing again -- they are simply stunning.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Mar 30, 2012, 08:39 PM

49. Chaney, Schwerner and Goodman

 

I'll never forget these three names. Their murder had a powerful effect on me. Martin just rekindled my sadness at the mean and vicious nature of American dog eat dog society. Still with us almost 50 years later.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Sep 6, 2012, 09:26 PM

50. I wish the mother & apple pie right-wing would memorize these beautiful moving paintings. +1. nt

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