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G_j

(40,366 posts)
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:18 AM Apr 2014

Will Phony Populists Hijack the Fight Against Inequality?

http://www.thenation.com/article/179142/will-phony-populists-hijack-fight-against-inequality

These days everyone wants to ‘create opportunity,’ but few want a class war.

Zoë Carpenter April 2, 2014 | This article appeared in the April 21, 2014 edition of The Nation.

In late January, President Obama met some two dozen CEOs at the White House to discuss the plight of the long-term unemployed. Frustrated by the refusal of congressional Republicans to extend unemployment insurance benefits, Obama persuaded several hundred companies to sign a “best practices” hiring pledge promising not to discriminate against those who have been unable to find work for a lengthy period of time.

Among the executives present was Don Thompson, who made nearly $14 million in 2012 as the CEO of the McDonald’s Corporation, and whose restaurant workers are paid so little that they must rely on $1.2 billion in public assistance each year. Also present was Boeing CEO Jim McNerney, who earned $23.3 million in 2013 while threatening to move his company to a right-to-work state if the machinists’ union did not accept a contract that froze pensions and limited future raises. Walmart, which last year chose to buy back $7.6 billion of its own stock when it could have raised employee pay by more than $5 an hour instead, signed the agreement, as did JPMorgan Chase and Bank of America, whose fraudulent mortgage practices helped tank the economy and destroy decades of middle-class wealth. “I was really grateful to all of them for stepping up in this way,” Obama said.

The confab neatly illustrated the Democratic Party’s current predicament. As public disgust with rising inequality and a protracted jobs crisis compels a populist approach to governing and campaigning, the party remains inextricably tied to some of the elites responsible for the underlying problems. Publicly, the party seems united—but who is truly dedicated to reversing the country’s alarming descent into oligarchy, and who is just using the issue of the day to burnish their credentials or troll for votes?

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At first blush, it might seem difficult to discern pretenders from true populists. Almost everyone who identifies as even an inch left of center acknowledges the need to address income inequality. The centrist Democratic think tank Third Way is a notable exception: it issued a lonely warning in a December Wall Street Journal op-ed that economic populism is “a dead end for Democrats.”

But look everywhere else:
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octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
1. I believe I learned in a political science class many . many
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:27 AM
Apr 2014

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years ago that the number one reason democracies fail is income inequality .It would behoove them to take this seriously or it will destabilize the whole country.. The corporate elites distrust the masses and are derisive of the democratic system of government. Democracy interferes with their bottom line. All those pesky laws, regulations and taxes they have to put up with.

G_j

(40,366 posts)
4. certainly they bet on people fighting each other
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 02:22 PM
Apr 2014

for the crumbs that fall off the table.
Inequality is destabilizing the world.
First off, the present model is simply unsustainable.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
5. If The Third Way is against it: It's a winner
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 03:26 PM
Apr 2014

Another adage if I may: It's the phony baloney populists that bleat about a worry of a class war. We have to saturate the discourse and fight this element from within before we can slay republican dragons.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
7. I'm sure it will be tried. Also remember that populism is NOT just a left .......
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 08:35 PM
Apr 2014

political philosophy. Fascism us a form of populism.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
8. Would it be more accurate to say that Populism has the potential to foment fascism, but not
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 08:45 PM
Apr 2014

necessarily one and the same or the product of the other? I'm thinking that we had populists uprisings in this country in the past, but it didn't lead to fascism.

Perhaps though, these "uprisings" didn't have enough "critical mass" to illustrate your point, and also, I tend to forget they were successfully crushed by the State.

Capitalists have proven to be a very formidable opponent to equality.

I'm not suggesting there's nothing to be done about it.. just thinking out loud..

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
10. Well considering that populism is basically an "us against them" argument......
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 10:26 PM
Apr 2014

fascism is definitely a form of populism. Mussolini and Hitler didn't rise to power solely on the dollars of Italian and German industrialists. They were backed and continually supported by a large segment of the people too, particularly the petit bourgeoisie and the lumpen proletariat.

It's not that populism automatically leads to fascism, it's just that fascism IS one possible outcome of a populist uprising. Ukraine is probably a more immediate example. Although in Ukraine the populism was fomented BY the fascists, the popular support was still there, especially since the fascists were the only ones prepared to take the leading role. There was also an element of the home-grown oligarchs, especially in the west, supporting and financing the fascists which gave them the resources TO take a leading role in a popular uprising.

That's why when I advocate for populism, I'm always very careful to name it LEFT populism. And as a Bolshevik-Leninist, I'm a firm believer in a vanguard group taking a leadership role. During times of rising populist sentiment, whoever is prepared to lead will generally get a hearing from the people. I'd rather it be the left leading a populist upsurge rather than the right.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
11. I understand..
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 01:10 AM
Apr 2014

Yes, the question is how populism is being defined (big P or little p) and then how that manifests into governance.

If we're in agreement in the use of the term populism as to mean: a believer in the rights, wisdom, or virtues of the common people (websters second definition, first definition is in reference to a political party) that can manifest for good or for evil.

It isn't necessarily analogous to fascism. And I tend to think that fascism can manifest in a variety of governance or socio-economic and political structures.

Although I understand there must always be "leaders", I tend to be somewhat cautious with regard to relinquishing power over to a vanguard group, which is often self anointed and sometimes headed by an autocratic megalomaniac. 'Leader of the ignorant masses' and all that, leading to the ultimate self destruction.

I don't identify as an anarchist (actually identify as a Socialist Libertarian), but certain political situations I've been involved in have brought out a rebellious anarchistic tendency, which generally lies in dormant, deep within my bones.. when I'm around a maoist autocrat for certain.. LOL!


Edit to add, that my experience with a self described maoist, was autocratic to the extreme which is actually fascist.





socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
12. Yeah, that Maoist/Stalinist mindset is what differentiates.........
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 09:06 AM
Apr 2014

Trotskyist conception of the vanguard from those attitudes. The Trotskyist idea is that a vanguard is NOT a dictatorial bureaucracy that demands obedience to the "Fearless Leader". A Trot vanguard is there to use history and Marxist analysis to show a correct path through the minefields of pre-revolutionary and revolutionary situations. These paths are arrived at by free discussion by the groups themselves and then the majority endorsed ideas are presented to the masses as a way out or, more properly, a way through the difficulties ahead. The masses either take the advice (strongly voiced advice to be sure) or they don't. Whether the advice is good or bad is left up to circumstances to show.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
13. Pretty much sums it up, I think.
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 03:23 PM
Apr 2014

of course a much deeper analysis for a different thread.

This thread prompted me to do a quick bit of research on Trotsky to gain a little more understanding of the incredible demonization of Trotsky and followers, (of whom I've not known much about) by folks I tend to perjoratively refer to as stasis'.. [Not naming names, suffice to say they're a community of very long time activists residing in certain boroughs in the NYC area]

By the way, have you read Bill Mandel?

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
14. I'm not familar with Mandel, but he looks like an interesting person.....
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 10:31 PM
Apr 2014

from that description.

The demonization of Trotskyists was actually accomplished from BOTH sides of the political spectrum. The fascists and the RWers hated him because he was a Marxist and one of the main leaders of the Bolshevik revolution in 1917. And on the left he was actually hated even MORE than the RWers did because he stood up to Stalin. Not necessarily stood up to him effectively , but when Stalin was consolidating his power, he didn't brook ANY opposition that wasn't demonized and eventually killed. As Trotsky was.

He's actually probably much more influential now than at any point in his life except for the few years immediately during and after the October revolution, say 1917 through 1924. Most groups on the far left worldwide are probably Trotskyist. Even the Stalinist groups don't claim to be Stalinists anymore.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
15. More about Mandel...
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 11:08 PM
Apr 2014

By the time I got to know him, Bill Mandel had severely criticized Stalin, which I think might have been somewhat painful to do, because of his political identification as a Communist. (I'm speculating)

I wasn't an avid reader of his books, or listener of his program, so I'm not sure about his position on Trotsky. I didn't get to know him while he was on air, I met after he was thrown off the air by hijackers of Pacifica (Democratic party functionaries).

The most memorable event was the speech he gave to the HUAC committee in San Francisco 1960. That was awesome, I can listen to that over and over again.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
9. Writers at the Nation know the answer too well: of course they will.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 09:12 PM
Apr 2014

What the Nation should do is come out full throated and shout it from the roof tops, but they rarely ever seem to quite go there. I don't know whether or not Katrina vanden Heuvel is still with the Nation, but she leaves me pulling my hair out whenever I see her trotted out in the media as the spokesperson for the "Left".

I'm not questioning her "leftist" credentials, just that she makes such a poor spokesperson to speak to our issues, because she is either unwilling or unable to articulate directly & succinctly the point of view of the left regarding geo-political or socio-economic issues of concern.

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