The N.R.A. responds to latest Ft Hood Shooting....

[Garion_55]

'The N.R.A. would like to salute those brave souls who proudly gave their lives for freedom!'......Wayne LaPierre







but not by much im guessing.

[Bjorn Against]

1. If the military had been armed this never would have happened.

[Jgarrick]

3. Are you under the (false) impression that soldiers on a base are armed?

http://www.hood.army.mil/dhr/forms/fhform190-19.pdf

11. The Texas Concealed Handgun Law does not apply on Fort Hood. Concealed handguns are prohibited on Fort Hood.

All official firearms are unloaded and locked away in vaults.

[Hoyt]

4. When was last time you went on a military base. The entrances are swarming with armed guards,

and MPs patrol. The reason they don't allow soldiers to carry is they know how frigging unsafe gunz are, especially among those attracted to the dang things.

[DashOneBravo]

6. Last week

One level of security with the gate guards and then you are in a gun free zone.

And you are completely wrong about "The reason they don't allow soldiers to carry is they know how frigging unsafe gunz are".

[Hoyt]

10. So, why do you think it is? Just like the NRA doesn't allow gunz in their headquarters, or gun shows

don't allow loaded gunz. The yahoos attracted to them, aren't safe.

[wall_dish]

20. Never in the military or stationed on a base were you?

[blueridge3210]

27. Facts not required

Hoyt doesn't need facts; he has Truth on his side.

Well, truth, snarky one liners and a lot of pictures of large men wearing camo.

[DashOneBravo]

28. So

You're short on answers and rely on terms like "gunz and yahoos".

Just FYI I saw the post you made about that one gun guy's son.


You are not the asshole you present.

[Jazzgirl]

33. Who are you guys?

[frylock]

38. NRA damage control unit..

you see it every time something like this happens.

[DashOneBravo]

39. Wrong answer

I was here before this event.

[frylock]

45. i'm sure of that

[DashOneBravo]

48. Dates are important

Today is: 02Apr14

Member since: 14Oct13

[Hoyt]

65. LMAO.

[rppper]

55. This is what I was told by a range master....

During gun qualifications for watch standing....IE armed guards....as to why weapons are kept
a) unloaded during watch(unless there was a threat condition) and...
b) not allowed outside of watch standing

...they do not want you to accidentally discharge a weapon...and you will get sh@t on if it happens. You're accountable for every bullet...

...they do not want some seaman/airman/private, who's pissed off at his chief/sgt/divo, to have access to a weapon and kill said personnel with it...

It's common sense really....I'm not even mentioning the PTSD factor....the military is smart enough to realize it's better to not have everyone carrying on a base, but after this and the Norfolk shooting who knows...navy bases have gate guards and individual ship/sub armed topside watches to boot....

[sarisataka]

9. And the last time you were on a base? n/t

[Hoyt]

12. 2003 to be precise, Redstone Arsenal. Been in the Pentagon a few times too.

[sarisataka]

14. And during those visits

were there very many people armed?
Consider both of those are high security installations with much higher security than a typical base.

[Hoyt]

16. Fact is, they aren't gun free zones. But, I give it to brass for prohibiting gunz otherwise.

They know what would happen. They laugh at private citizens who have to put up with armed yahoos who think they live in a war zone.

[sarisataka]

19. They are not 100% gun free.

Yet weapon possession is controlled, though not for reasons you think. It is not necessary to be armed to perform most routine military duties yet a weapon must be under positive control at all times. To constantly be armed would inhibit day to day operations.

The reason weapons are secured is because these are assault weapons. The vast majority are fully automatic to some degree. Such weapons would be prime targets for organized crime, terrorists, radical militias and other bad elements. If everyone just walked around with them any yahoo- if I may use your term- could come in steal a bunch with any gun that was loaded. Could you imagine the carnage at the border if the self appointed patrols were equipped with machine-guns and M-4s?

[Hoyt]

22. It's not necessary to be armed to walk down the street either, but you guys do it anyway.

[DashOneBravo]

37. Redstone

Redstone has a sweet flat drop zone. Only one fence and cow pies there.

What did you do?

[Hoyt]

42. LMAO. You think you are the only one that knows anything about the military or gunz.

I bet I was field stripping a 1911 blindfolded before you were born. Difference is, I grew up to realize guns - and the yahoos that fancy them - are a detriment to our society.

[beevul]

49. You forgot to add underwater. N/T

[Hoyt]

51. That too, but I save that until I'm ready for their heads to explode.

Glad to know you remember. You still fondling your gunz?

[beevul]

52. I've touched a gun exactly 3 times in the last year.

You still making things up?

[Hoyt]

53. Nope. They have medications for that nowadays, covered by ACA too.

[Ghost in the Machine]

68. They have meds to stop you from making things up??

Glad to hear you are having some success! Stay well!

Ghost

[Hoyt]

41. Classified.

[DashOneBravo]

46. LOL

Good one.

That's what I tell everyone about the Black Angus in PR.

[rppper]

54. I had my picture taken there once...

I didn't use the services provided there mind you...happily maried at the time, but there were a fair share of chiefs that did!

[DashOneBravo]

72. Yep

That's a better story.

[rppper]

73. What happens in San Juan.....

....stays in San Juan, at least that what my chiefs used to say! Lol

[Jgarrick]

47. Cool story, bro.

[friendly_iconoclast]

60. Bullshit. You've admitted on DU to being an armed robber, you'd never get a clearance

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=45338

As a former robber, I locked the door to keep people out, especially police.

Your claim to have gotten into bases and the Pentagon for classified purposes is a steaming pantload
even by your own standards...

[Hoyt]

61. Ah, a stalker. Read the post in context. I was responding to ignorant gun toting fools

trying to find another justification for shooting people.

[clffrdjk]

62. So did you lie then now or both?

[Hoyt]

63. Telling the truth both times. Some folks are just too stupid or infatuated with their gunz

to recognize it.

[clffrdjk]

64. How is that possible? Or are you some super secret spy?

[Hoyt]

66. Classified.

[clffrdjk]

67. Bullshit.

[friendly_iconoclast]

69. Indeed. Either a Gecko45 (search the name) wannabe, or a modern-day:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_M%C3%BCnchhausen

[friendly_iconoclast]

70. Don't be mad, Hoyt. We all love what you do for gun control

Heck, I even liked the biopic Terry Gilliam made about you:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096764/

[Hoyt]

71. Better than standing next to george zimmerman as a brother-in-fancying-firearms.

[Jgarrick]

11. The main cantonment of Fort Hood had a total population of 53,416 as of the 2010 U.S. Census.

How many of them do you think walk around armed?

When was last time you went on a military base.

2 months ago. You?

[Hoyt]

15. Like I said, they limit gunz on bases, yet off base we are supposed to smile at yahoos

toting. The military has enough sense to ban weapons from most folks on base.

[Jgarrick]

18. You bet. I'm sure the last thing to go through the minds of the 4 people murdered was

"Gee, it's a good thing I don't have a gun."

[Skip Intro]

21. AMEN! n/t

[Hoyt]

24. I doubt that, but I'm sure it's your justification for strapping a gun or two on before

venturing out to Chuck E Cheese.

[wall_dish]

23. Your ignorance of military bases is astounding.

Stop, just stop before you make yourself look even more foolish.

[Hoyt]

25. Why do you think NRA prohibits gunz in its headquarters (except in executive range where they shoot

targets that resemble Trayvon Martin while sipping scotch and laughing at the yahoos who send in dues.

[wall_dish]

26. Who gives a fuck what the NRA does, this is about military bases,

and your lack of knowledge is showing immensly.

[Kingofalldems]

29. You mean they don't have guards?

[wall_dish]

30. Did I say that?

[Kingofalldems]

31. You called a poster ignorant for saying military bases have guards.

[wall_dish]

32. I did?

Point out where I said that poster is ignorant for saying military bases have guards.

Think maybe because it was because of this ignorant statement?

The reason they don't allow soldiers to carry is they know how frigging unsafe gunz are, especially among those attracted to the dang things.

[Kingofalldems]

35. Well again thatg is also correct in that soldiers turn in their weapons

when off duty or not in a field exercise. Even then they use blanks.

[wall_dish]

36. Ok, sure, whatever.

[B Calm]

56. welcome to DU wall dish. .

[Jeneral2885]

58. They carry guns

how many are chambered with bullet filled magazines?

[DashOneBravo]

5. They weren't

Another gun free zone.

[Dr. Strange]

7. Maybe.

I wonder if they'll change that.

[NuclearDem]

8. Only Security Forces, MPs, and security contractors carry firearms on bases.

And then it's usually just the gate guards and the on-duty police.

For reference, I'm an Air Force OEF vet.

[Bjorn Against]

13. Thank you for confirming that there are indeed guns on the base

As you say there are armed security officers, it is not a gun free zone as someone else in this thread suggested.

[Duckhunter935]

17. just like any other town or city

except the civilian and general military population is unarmed per law, unlike a normal city or town.

[Jazzgirl]

34. What you said Duck.

I lived on a military base forb9 years. The only carry I saw was MP's and sometimes CID.

[malaise]

2. But has Lady Blah Blah weighed in

Where are the ReTHUGs?

[PowerToThePeople]

50. There must not have been enough guns to stop the shooting.

[Jeneral2885]

57. The NRA

would probably ask for all troops to carry anti personnel mines, missiles and the like to mass kill anyone approaching them.

[davidpdx]

59. Hey LaPuke go stick your head in a toilet and flush it

Oh yeah.......