So, let's see now...

[WilliamPitt]

...we deposed Mossadeq in favor of the Shah and got the Iranian Revolution and the Ayatollah Khomeni...

...we sold missiles to the Ayatollah and got 241 dead Marines at the Beirut airport...

...we armed and trained the mujeheddin in Afghanistan and got the Taliban, al Qaeda and a crater in New York where two tall buildings used to be...

...we supported Saddam Hussein to the knife and got two wars (or one big, long war depending on your perspective), millions of casualties, a shattered military, a shattered economy and theater-wide depleted uranium poisoning out of it...

...and the Syrian opposition, for the most part, makes Osama bin Laden look like a Sunday School teacher from Nebraska by comparison...

Fuck it. What could possibly go wrong?

JUST BE SURE TO KEEP QUIET ABOUT OUR SECRET PLAN.

Obama ready to expand covert aid to Syrian opposition - report
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/28/uk-syria-crisis-covert-idUKBREA2R15I20140328

[KittyWampus]

1. "The program would try to stabilize Syria by helping local councils and police in areas"

"The program would try to stabilize Syria by helping local councils and police in areas not under Assad's control and seek to establish safe corridors for humanitarian aid, it said."

[bvar22]

29. Yep! Just like we helped "The Rebels" in Libya!

Libya used to have the highest standard of living in North Africa.
Now it is a shattered nation run by affiliates of Al Qaeda
who just voted to institute Sharia Law in Libya.


Sometimes (most of the time) there are NO Good Guys in these internal conflicts.

[Doctor_J]

31. oh, well in that case...

[pscot]

2. Well, if you're just determined to find fault

[totodeinhere]

186. Damn right I'm determined to find fault. Because there is plenty of fault to find. n/t

[840high]

3. kick

[GiveMeMorePIE]

4. It's a good way to get back at Putin.

I was pleased to see this headline today.

[WilliamPitt]

16. Really?

Aiding the mujeheddin in 1979 was a good way to stick it to Brezhnev...and didn't that pay some bully dividends.

[vlakitti]

28. YAY!!!

A total mindless crime. CIA inspired, too.

[lark]

40. Agree

I've been reading a number of articles stating that the opposition has turned overwhelmingly to Al Quaeda affiliates. Giving $ to the opposition groups could mean hepling our biggest enemies, we don't have the assets to know the difference and need to stay the hell out of the way.

[ozone_man]

156. It has been that way (regarding Al Queda) and will probably continue that way.

So if one supplies arms to terrorists, as is overwhelmingly the case, does that make the arms suppliers terrorists? I think so.

[Maedhros]

45. And I just saw on another thread that there aren't right wing view being expressed on DU.

Open support for arming and funding "freedom fighters" in Syria.

Is Ollie North posting on DU now?

[bobduca]

159. He just wants more pie

lets hope he gets his wish soon!

[seveneyes]

25. No good has ever come from the US helping Islamists take control or fight others

And nothing is to be gained from pushing Russia into doing something violent.

[sabrina 1]

30. I'm sure you were. You have made your position on politics pretty clear in just a short amount of

time. The Syrian people's opinion of course, doesn't matter I'm sure. That is as it should be, no? Who are THEY to want something we the big powerful super power, latest Empire do not want?

Enough of them haven't died alread as a result of Western support for Terrorists. Even the UK, not known for its distaste for Empire and/or Colonial invasions, decided that things had gone too far in their support of Terrorists in Syria.

But that's a good, right? We NEED enemies to continue the money flow to the all the RIGHT people.

Any benefits to the American people for our 'investment' of all those Tax Dollars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Ukraine, Somalia, etc etc?

People have been waking up lately and wondering where THEIR Piece of the Pie is?

We know who HAS benefited, don't we?

Love to have your views on why we are investing all these tax dollars EVERYWHERE but right here in this country.

'No money for school lunches'!! But always plenty to back coups and destabilizations wherever SOME people have 'interests'.

[Art_from_Ark]

206. [phone]

[Skittles]

144. I bet you thought Shock and Awe was just swell too

[L0oniX]

161. For old times sake...

[unblock]

5. maybe it's just me, but sunday school teacher from nebraska sounds very scary!

[In_The_Wind]

6. Kick

[n2doc]

7. Just another ineffectual junk-waving exercise

The only benefit will be to those who get paid to implement it.

[Capt. Obvious]

8. Citing historical precedent is expected of RW racists!

Last edited Fri Mar 28, 2014, 08:43 PM - Edit history (1)

Was I first to say this iteration?

[truebrit71]

17. Yes...we have a winner!!!

[sabrina 1]

32. Absolutely! I can't say if you were the first, but now that's out there, I'm sure you

won't be the last. They are running out of talking points, the old ones are a bit ragged at the edges.

[KoKo]

260. They know it's a lost cause...but the still have Cheney/Kissinger/NeoCon's Dreams of Glory...

I won't give up on them this soon...after all the "new heart" beats in the breast of the Zombie Warrior.

But...If I was Hopeful....I'd give them only a few more years. But, then..we thought they would be GONE over their Corruption years ago.

[zeemike]

34. That is because they look back.

And we must not do that ever...Every day is a new day and yesterday must be forgoten...if you are to move forward.
So we are told,

[one_voice]

44. hmmm....interesting..

sig line.

[Capt. Obvious]

81. Thanks. I think so too.

[ProSense]

9. "we armed and trained the mujeheddin in Afghanistan and got the Taliban"

Carter: Russian Invasion Of Crimea 'Inevitable'

NEW YORK (AP) — Former President Jimmy Carter says the Crimean annexation was "inevitable" because Russia considers the peninsula to be part of its country and so many Crimeans consider themselves Russian.

But he says Russian President Vladimir Putin shouldn't be permitted to go any further.

On the "Late Show with David Letterman" on Monday, Carter recounted when then-Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev invaded Afghanistan in 1979.

Carter recalled the U.S. ambassador declared an embargo and withdrew from the Olympics. Then, Carter said, "We began to arm the freedom fighters."

He says that was "successful at stopping them there."

Carter says he believes no matter how President Barack Obama or European nations tried to head off the takeover, Putin would have gone ahead with it, but he shouldn't be allowed to go further.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/carter-russia-invasion-of-crimea-inevitable

Though, I believe Osama bin Laden didn't come onto the scene until the mid 1980s.

[Scootaloo]

151. Carter is full of shit

He signed over the funds for Operation Cyclone to arm anti-government militias against the Tariki government months before that government asked the soviets to intervene.

Maybe had we not been arming Peshmerga guerillas to assail the government of Afghanistan, there would have been no need for Afghanistan to turn to the soviet union for aid in defeating those nutjobs.

[quinnox]

10. Kick, because we haven't seen enough incoherent rage and over the top

"the sky is falling!" lately, in reaction to a Pitt OP.

But somehow I'm guessing this will not reach those "heights".

[leftstreet]

26. I give it a 5.0

It just doesn't have the skill or technical proficiency to bring out the raging, sputtering hordes and deeply offended alert-iacs

[quinnox]

27. lol, agreed, it is definitely Mr. Pitt dialed down.

especially compared to recently.

[LittleBlue]

11. The Syrian opposition who behead people and eat their hearts?

Arming those guys is crazy. Massive blowback potential with this.

[warrior1]

12. are you going to blame President Obama for everything Will?

Really?

[WilliamPitt]

13. I stubbed my toe this morning.

I didn't blame the president.

Approving the sale of guns to outright fucking lunatics? Yeah, that might be on his doorstep.

[warrior1]

19. I've pretty sure that the President

is weighting all options and knows a hell of lot more than we do. I prefer what he's doing to what ever a fucking republican would come up with which is another bloody war.

[WilliamPitt]

22. I'm sure

plenty of people felt the same way about Eisenhower, Carter, Reagan and Bush. Wheeee!

[uppityperson]

84. Did you miss that 3/4 of those are "fucking republican"?

"I prefer what he's doing to what ever a fucking republican would come up with which is another bloody war."
plenty of people felt the same way about Eisenhower, Carter, Reagan and Bush.

Um, Will. 3 of your examples WERE fucking republicans.

[WilliamPitt]

96. Thanks for making my point.

[uppityperson]

116. Your point being? People prefer what fucking republicans do over what fucking republicans do?

[WilliamPitt]

120. I don't know what that means.

My point, based on this statement above:

"I've pretty sure that the President is weighting all options and knows a hell of lot more than we do."

...is that, for the most part, blind trust and thoughtless adherence to a president's decisions is a very Republican phenomenon.

As history has shown.

[uppityperson]

123. Ah, you replied to the first part of that post, and I thought you meant the second part. Thank you

for clarifying as that reply to the second half made no sense, rather "who's on first" thing.

"I prefer what he's doing to what ever a fucking republican would come up with which is another bloody war."
WP : plenty of people felt the same way about Eisenhower, Carter, Reagan and Bush.
UP : 3/4 of those are repubs
WP : "you made my point"
UP: huh?
WP : huh? clarification given.

Thank you for clarifying Will as that answer in reply to "I've pretty sure that the President is weighting all options and knows a hell of lot more than we do" makes sense and I agree with you that blind, thoughtless adherence to anyone is wrong.

[WilliamPitt]

124. Cheers.

[Jakes Progress]

152. You're being way too thoughtful for this exchange.

Think high school football - For us or agin us - nothing in between. Thought not necessary.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

251. Indeed now William ,you should know by now

that even if it is fuck this shit O'Clock for the time being ,time will tell isn't stuck in the slumps.
And there is such a thing ,long shot as it may be ,a thing called a historical breakthrough.

Maybe or maybe not ,as time will have it, we shall have to wait to see !

Can't advance the clock and you can't turn it back either, this you know, but time will tell,thats a bit of different angle in it. From down in slumps it may seem hopeless as it is, but there is as you know, the opposite approach, which means ,it ain't a done deal.And it ain't over until it's over.

[Douglas Carpenter]

36. our leaders are smarter than us. We should do what they say

[warrior1]

39. he smarter than I am for sure

Honestly I trust the man. So shoot me ok.

[Douglas Carpenter]

50. that is the foundation of democracy.. trusting our leaders and accepting that they know best

[Caretha]

180. I believe you

"he's smarter than you"

So is the cat in your sig line.

[tomp]

204. some of us are trying to prevent it from coming to that. nt

[Autumn]

256. Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision

he makes and should just support that, you know, and be faithful in what happens.

[lark]

43. Does the word Iraq come to mind?

Or were you just being sarcastic?

[sabrina 1]

194. I think he was being sarcastic!

[Jackpine Radical]

221. That was certainly my read.

Poe's Law strikes again!

[Union Scribe]

23. Uh..."Obama ready to expand covert aid to Syrian opposition"

Whom should one hold accountable if they don't agree with that decision, warrior1? Romney?

[Maedhros]

52. You are completely missing the point.

There is to be NO disagreeing with the President's decisions, nor any efforts to hold him accountable.

If we do, the Republicans win.

[City Lights]

122. Nailed it!

[Caretha]

182. If I memorize

that, and look like a Stepford wife while reciting that...what do I win?

[Nay]

237. A long dress and a free updo at the Stepford Beauty Salon. nt

[Mnpaul]

199. I'll pass on being unpatriotic and servile

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." Theodore Roosevelt

[cui bono]

238. I actually read exactly that on here this morning.

Almost the same words.

That if anyone hears any criticism of the president or Democrats that they would then go and vote for the Republican. So we shouldn't criticize Democrats.

[AuntPatsy]

14. It's a hard road, often times a lonely one when attempting to educate those who have entered a

One way street, happy to see others utilizing the two way route, much more informative."

[Scuba]

15. I'm just a simple old Vietnam vet, but ....

[MineralMan]

18. Frankly, I think we should stay out of Middle Eastern

national affairs altogether. We don't understand the region, so we tend to screw up badly every time we meddle there. And that's nothing new for me. I've felt that way for as long as I can remember.

As far as I'm concerned the only thing we should be doing with regard to the Middle East is to try to convince other nations not to supply arms or military aid to any country in that region. Of course, that would mean not doing that ourselves, which I also support.

We do not understand that area well enough to meddle in it.

That's my opinion. The opinions of others might differ from mine.

[sabrina 1]

38. Arms dealing is part of the profit making in all of our foreign policy. To end it, and I more than

agree, we would have to change our entire Foreign Policy, remove the power of the neo/con/libs, the MIC, Private Contractors, Think Tanks and everyone else who appears to be running things in this country.

All profit from wars should be illegal. IF the war is legitimate to protect this country, no American should NEED to profit from it, the profit would be successfully defending it.

Huge profits = plenty of wars, need for 'enemies' and definitely arms sales.

[MineralMan]

41. We don't disagree. One of my positions since the 1960s has

been that the United States should not supply arms or military aid to any other country. Period. I formed that opinion in the early to mid 1960s, based on a belief that we and other major nations were supplying the necessary materials for other nations to wage war, and that we should unilaterally stop doing that and apply pressure to all nations supplying arms to cease doing so.

Without arms supplied by the major industrial nations, warfare would change dramatically. We, and other major nations, have materially contributed to wars of all kinds, from civil wars within nations to wars between nations.

However, my position has never been one that was very likely to be taken up by the United States or any other major nation.

That's a pity. I have resigned myself to that, since I see no possibility that it can be attained.

We should be providing only humanitarian aid anywhere outside of our own country, and we should be generous with that aid. Beyond that, we should be hands off in disputes outside of the United States. If they must fight, they can do so with weapons they are capable of creating for themselves.

[Vattel]

184. Post of the year award!

[LuvNewcastle]

213. Excellent post, Mineral Man!

We have caused untold havoc all over the world just so our defense contractors can make money. It should have never begun, but we can always stop it, if our politicians could get off the gravy train and pass some good laws for a change. That won't happen until we take money out of politics, and that's not going to happen until we get an amendment passed. Let's get the process started. If we just get that one thing done, it will solve a lot of our problems.

[MineralMan]

215. Thanks. It's one of my beliefs that has never changed.

[Jackpine Radical]

222. I absolutely agree.

Both with your moral position and with your pessimism about seeing it attained.

[MineralMan]

223. Yup. It would be great, but won't happen.

So, we all have to keep on trying to make the best of things and to try to move things forward as best we can.

[Rex]

20. Do you have problems with the POTUS? It might be worse than you think.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024743178
Evidently some serious problems.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

49. You could be a homophone. Or an antonym. You're certainly an acronymist, as evidenced by "POTUS"

Or you could be a right wing racer...like Richard Petty.

[Rex]

53. Actually I suffer from acronymphobia.

There I said it or...put another way, IASOA-AWMB.

[eridani]

257. Or a Muslin. Or a Linenist. Or a Satinist n/t

[Puglover]

66. I am honestly embarrassed for the author

of that OP. Lord.

[Rex]

68. Yeah, I would edit that part if it was me.

But then again, if it was me that thread would have been hidden. I know I am not as equal as some of our DU all stars.

[cui bono]

197. Some people who write OPs have serious maturity issues and are quite simply sociopaths.

P.S. To any DU jury that gets empaneled for this OP, I am speaking in general terms. You never know around this place anymore.

[Autumn]

187. Some serious problems.

[jakeXT]

21. Congress secretly approved weapons before

Congress secretly approves U.S. weapons flow to 'moderate' Syrian rebels

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBREA0Q1S320140127?irpc=932

[PowerToThePeople]

24. Just give in and buy some MIC stocks William..

It's a sure bet and "The American Way."

[KoKo]

33. Those have 401-K's should have loaded up in 2009...The Hell with Principles....

Instead scared shitless holding cash seemed the better bet... And, the banks screwed the "savers" once again. No interest for YOU while we "build our balance sheet back up, and we have to pay those fines, ya' know."

[DanTex]

35. And if not, the anti-Obama crusaders would blame him for sitting by while genocide happened.

The important thing, which you've captured perfectly, is that foreign policy is really really simple, and best explained via silly internet memes. And also, Obama is bad bad bad.

Which makes this OP great, because there might be some people left at DU who think that the anti-Obama crowd is motivated by some sort of intelligent understanding of world events, rather than reflexive personal animosity and/or a desire to show off fluency with one-liners. But posts like this should take care of that delusion.

[Maedhros]

55. I am what you may incorrectly refer to as "the anti-Obama crowd"

because I can't abide by so many of his foreign policy decisions. To claim that we are motivated by "reflexive personal animosity" is inaccurate, and likely simply projection on your part of your own motivations for insulting us.

Welcome to the ignore list.

[DanTex]

58. Hey, if I see a glimpse of intelligent life in anti-Obamistan, I'll change my opinions.

I'm going by the evidence. You can't seriously think that this OP presents anything more than a 10-year-old's appreciations of the complexities of foreign policy.

[MADem]

193. +1 nt

[sabrina 1]

141. Same old tactic, pretend everything is about a PERSON. The American people have ZERO legitimate

concerns, it's all about one PERSON! Incredible, but if this is the Dem Party's understanding of the people who elected them, they too are so far out of touch with reality, and I hope this is not the case, that there is no hope at all for the people to get their attention for REAL ISSUES they are facing.

Sounds like a few people here actually are doing great and have no empathy at all for the working class and are PROJECTING WILDLY about the average person who, just fyi, could give a rat's ass about individual politicians as they wonder how to pay for food, the price going up steadily, for their families, or whether to buy shoes or medicine for their kids.

Lucky you is all I can say, and GOOD for you to be able to focus only an individual politician. I wish that for ALL Americans, but sadly we are not going to see it so long as our Elected Officials are working for Corporate America, Defense Contractors, Wall St, now 'investing' much needed tax dollars in yet another foreign country, betting on the results from which ONLY THEY will benefit.

You are very out of touch it seems with the reality that is America today. Focus on your favorite politician, but do not for a minute think that the average person even has the time to think about DC, politicians, their team/our team, they have a whole lot more on their minds, I can assure you.

[DanTex]

146. Yeah, because the struggling working class is oh so upset about Syrian rebels. Umm, what?!

Before I go on, let's take a second to appreciate just how truly idiotic this OP is. First of all, nothing has actually changed. The linked news article is talking about a potential proposal. And what does this awful proposal do?

The plan includes CIA training of about 600 Syrian opposition forces per month in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Qatar, foreign affairs columnist David Ignatius wrote on Thursday. That would double the forces currently being trained in the region.

Holy shit! Increasing from 300 to 600 the number of Syrian opposition forces trained per month. O. M. G. Yeah, that's worth getting upset about! Working class families, all across the country, be outraged!

On top of this, let's see what examples the OP uses to compare to this action. Are there any humanitarian interventions on the list? No. All the examples are cold war. No mention of Kosovo, where we intervened, or Rwanda, where we did nothing and sat by while half a million people were killed with machetes. So right there, any remote chance that this OP has the slightest trace of intellectual integrity is gone. I get that neither you nor the OP nor the rest of the anti-Obama movement could care less about genocide, and I don't blame you for your selfishness. But at least you all could try to appreciate that foreign policy is a complicated business, with difficult tradeoffs. But instead the OP opts for silly internet memes. Yeah, that's a great way to help working class Americans.

Speaking of the working class. There are a few things we might do. For example, we could enact a federal jobs program, to reduce unemployment and improve infrastructure. Obama proposed that, but was blocked by congress. Or, we could raise the minimum wage. Obama proposed that and was blocked by congress also. Funny, don't see the anti-Obama crusaders discussing any of that stuff. For some reason they prefer to take juvenile potshots at the president based on a complete non-story about what is going on in Syria. So you'll forgive me if I roll my eyes at the suggestion that all the Obama-bashing is really about helping the working class.

Yes, there are people obsessed with the person. But it's not the people who you say it is.

[cui bono]

198. Ah... yet another post proving how disingenuous your OP of feigned fair and balanced attitude was.

It takes courage to write OPs that state how you really feel and what you really stand for. Maybe next time you'll muster some up.

[DanTex]

200. Actually, that OP states exactly how I feel. The two sides of the "Obama war" are not the same.

You are again falling into the "views differ on shape of planet" fallacy, assuming that just because there are "two sides", they are somehow "balanced". Like I said in that OP, they are not. One side is off the deep end.

And this OP is a great example of that. How many of the people reccing do you think actually read the linked article to see what all the outrage is about? I don't even know if the OP even read it! Because all the outrage is about about a proposed slight increase in support to the Syrian opposition -- for example training 600 troops a month instead of 300 troops a month! 600 troops a month! The horror!

Next, I sincerely hope you don't think that genocide is a topic to be taken lightly, and that the idea humanitarian intervention to prevent genocide should be just dismissed with a silly internet meme. The OP, either out of ignorance or mendacity (probably both), chooses, of course, to compare this action in Syria to cold war misadventures, and ignores, say, Kosovo, or Rwanda, where the international community was widely criticized for failing to intervene. Or the mother of all humanitarian interventions, WW2.

No, let's not mention those. We don't want the lemmings to get confused by any kind of nuance or intellectual depth. Stick to the one-liners and the internet memes.

[cui bono]

236. Not at all. I don't think the "two sides" are balanced at all.

I took your OP and all your posts after the OP to show that you are not in the middle of the "two sides" that you speak of, but that you are on one of those sides. And now you start yet another post with "anti-Obama crusaders" which is way off the mark.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about which "side" is the one that is off the deep end. But if you think you don't look like you are on one of those sides, just know that it doesn't look like that to me. And no, I don't think you need to care what I think, just an observation since it seemed you wanted to be seen as someone who is not on either side.

[tomp]

205. yeah, foreign policy is really, really complicated.

how one earth can we mere mortals ever hope to form a reasonable opinion on such matters? as long as we vote D and don't criticize the D's everything will be fine.

your dismissal of the "anti-obama crowd" shows quite clearly that you are not the motivated by intelligent understanding of the world, as you appear more concerned with whether someone is "anti-obama" than whether or not they have valid point.

[DanTex]

208. Well, there are a few ways.

For example, you might read a lot about Syria, figure out what's actually going on, and draw appropriate historical context from previous humanitarian interventions, like say Kosovo, or Rwanda, where we didn't intervene and sat by while 500,000 people were murdered with machetes. And then you could come up with a nuanced and intelligent opinion as to whether increasing the number of troops that we train every month from 300 to 600 is a good idea.

Or, you could just go by the simple rule "Obama bad, I'm outraged!!!", and cap it off with a silly internet meme.

[tomp]

229. yes, i understand how it's done.

so when someone looks at all the available information (which, of course, is never equal to the president's sources) and comes up with an intelligent and nuanced understanding of the situation that happens to disagree with obama's...then what? your assumption seems to be that if someone disagrees with obama's plan or policy then they must, by definition, be part of the "anti-obama crowd." that's the dichotomy you seem to be presenting.

[DanTex]

232. Let me know when someone in the anti-Obama crowd here makes an intelligent and nuanced argument.

This OP certainly isn't it.

[tomp]

233. has anyone ever made an argument against obama that you consider intelligent?

if so, could you provide an example?

[ProSense]

37. Lawmakers bash Obama administration's 'delusional' Syria policy

Lawmakers bash Obama administration's 'delusional' Syria policy

By Patricia Zengerle

(Reuters) - U.S. lawmakers lashed out at the Obama administration's handling of Syria's civil war on Wednesday, demanding a stronger American response to the conflict and better communication from the White House about its plans.

Senator Robert Menendez, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, expressed deep frustration after Anne Patterson, the assistant secretary of state for Near Eastern affairs, declined to answer a question about strategy in a public setting.

<...>

Heated exchanges during questioning of Patterson and Tom Countryman, another assistant secretary of state, underscored the often deep divide between Congress - both Republicans and President Barack Obama's fellow Democrats - and the administration on foreign policy.

<...>

Members of the Foreign Relations panel in particular are frustrated by the administration's failure to do more in Syria, where 140,000 people have been killed, millions have become refugees and thousands of foreign militant fighters have been trained as rebels have fought to oust President Bashar al-Assad.

- more -

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/27/us-syria-usa-senate-idUSBREA2P2DE20140327

The President should resist doing anything foolish.

[steve2470]

42. agreed nt

[ProSense]

46. Doesn't appear likely

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024743736

[mrchips]

47. You'd Prefer Bush

If he cured cancer you'd scream about his failure to do anything about the common cold. You called a wounded vega "tool." You're hatred of the president is palpable.

[WilliamPitt]

51. "You called a wounded vega 'tool.'"

I get it. This is performance art. Nicely done.

[mrchips]

82. You called a wounded vet a tool.

He was acknowledged at the SOTU and you went ballistic!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

87. My sister had a Vega.

The thing that ran and ran and ran until she got in an accident with a Volkswagen beetle. the front tires fell off of her car and the beetle. that was the end of two pieces of shit on the road. It was her car while she was in college

[fascisthunter]

54. What's a "wounded vega"?

[Rex]

60. Took a nice gut punch.

[fascisthunter]

62. I Honestly Don't Know what that means

Are you saying I just took a gut punch?

[Rex]

65. No, that is vega on the left getting hit really hard.

Don't know the size of the wound, but it probably hurt.

[fascisthunter]

67. Oh Geez... gotcha

Wow... I'm getting old.

[Rex]

71. Nah, it is an obscure reference to a game made back in the late 80s.

Sad really that it popped into my head. Must be from all the days I spent as a kid dropping quarters into Street Fighter.

[Aerows]

86. Popped into my head, too

I was thinking, damn, Vega kicks ass, how could anyone be wounding him without at least a fair fight!

[Rex]

88. No shit! He swoops down on you from above!

Got two bad ass claw like thingys, like bad ass wolverine. He looks like he could be the prince of Persia yet wears a mask like Jason from Friday the 13th! Also, way badass pony tail. When Capcom vs. Marvel came out...I could not wait to play as Vega and I kicked ass!

[Aerows]

95. Vega was an absolute demon

if you used the right skills!

For those that care and don't have any idea what we are talking about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vega_(Street_Fighter)

And here is a pic of him in the SF movie:

[Rex]

97. Dam...to be in such shape. Hell, to be that good looking!

That is an awesome pic! I love the shadow play!

[Aerows]

102. He's all

"I'm wearing Mom jeans. Want to discuss how horrible they look on me?" (It was the early 90's so high-waisted pants were still all the rage).

[Rex]

105. Shit I didn't even notice...too busy looking at his chiseled body.

If he has an ounce of fat on em...it is well hidden away. Mom jeans! LOL! Now there is something I have not heard about in years and years!

[stg81]

76. seems like he would. it's almost getting pathological at this point.

[mrchips]

78. Wounded vet.

[Number23]

126. The OP and his squad knew exactly what you meant.

[Jakes Progress]

153. Yep. But that doesn't mean

that your squad knew what was going on.

[Number23]

154. Did you get a ten year old to type that for you? Sorry that was unkind. To ten year olds

Your post makes absolutely no sense. But you carry on.

[Jakes Progress]

245. Sorry I used language too difficult for you.

I aimed at 10 year old, but that was obviously too tricky for you. Find an adult to explain to to you.

[Number23]

246. LOL It took you SEVEN DAYS to come up with that tired foolishness??

You would have done better to have said nothing at all.

[Jakes Progress]

247. L all you want. Some of us have lives.

Some of us actually do things other than sit around and play activist on the internets.

Thank you for letting us know more about you. Now we can give your posts the attention they deserve.

[Number23]

248. I have no idea what you are whining and braying about and care even less

Check the thread tree. Apparently your "life" wasn't too full for you to initiate this incredibly moronic exchange.

Thank you for letting us know more about you. Now we can give your posts the attention they deserve.

What "we"? Is there a raccoon in your pocket? You know most people itching for a fight, as it is beyond obvious you are, at least have something intelligent to fight about. You've got absolutely nothing and instead of just walking away have apparently resorted to nonsensical insults in order to justify your unprovoked, misspelled and now ONE WEEK OLD rage. This entire exchange says a hell of alot more about you than it ever will about me.

[Jakes Progress]

249. You don't care so much you keep coming out to play, hoping to get away with more shit.

Don't feel bad. You just got caught posting thoughtless crap. Lots of those who don't know what is going on do it too. You have company.

You did let us in on your life. You let us know that you can't admit you can't follow your own postings, that you really don't have anything to say other than attack other DU'ers who do, and that you have way too much time on your hands.

How about doing a little volunteer time at a food bank? Meals on Wheels could use some help. I know a group that can put you in touch with your local volunteer coordinator to take people to their chemo sessions. It would make you feel so much better than just manning the internets barricade trying to maintain the status quo.

Sorry if I can't come play with you more often. But sometimes I actually do things during a week. So go ahead and post some crap snark - the best you can come up with - and I will get back to whatever inane whining you have when I can.

(Oh. Just some help. Before you start with the lame complaining about spelling and typing - check your own posts. That kind of childish pedantry is really bad form, but especially if you screw up that way in the very post where you call someone else to task for it. Makes you look really silly. But thanks for the giggle.)

[Number23]

252. You sound even more unglued than before

What ever your issues are, whatever the source of all of this pointless angst and MISSPELLED braying, I'll let you get back to it. All of the "giggles" in the world won't change the fact that you can't write or spell.

And there is nothing more hilarious than someone who INITIATES an exchange with insults whining about other people insulting others. As I've said, I have no idea what the hell all of this is about and what all of your impotent rage is for, but you carry on with your five paragraphs of absolutely nothing and tossing out comments about food banks as if you know shit about me or as if they have anything to do with this idiotic pointless exchange that again, YOU STARTED.

Sounds like you really need to claim the smiley as your avatar. This has been one of the most idiotic and purposeless exchanges I have ever seen here. And I'm sure in six days when the hamster is able to fire up your Internet connection again, you'll have even more bewilderingly pointless banalities to regale us all with.

[Jakes Progress]

261. You sound even more frustrated than before. Get a life.

Let's try this slowly. So you can follow. I'm sorry you don't have an adult to explain it to you. I guess it will have to be me. I know how it upsets you when someone with a real life doesn't reply to your every breath.

The relevant issues with this sub-thread concerns trolls who pop off short little spiffs that don't address an issue but merely attack a poster that they don't agree with. Not that they can explain themselves or offer any thoughtful discussion of the issue at hand. Instead they vomit up some short, mindless bit of smarm and think they are witty. Show me my misspellings and I will show your yours. Only a maroon screws up spelling in a post to complain about people who can't spell. Only a real maroon falls to shouting with childish all-caps.

I didn't initiate the insults. You insulted the OP. Can't you even remember what you wrote?

Sorry to use so many paragraphs, what with your hit and run posting habits. I tried to be short and hold it down for anyone with a short attention span, but our pique indicates it wasn't short enough.

I can see where you would like to post in all avatars, but I would rather use words. Do you always put this much time and butt-twitching into things you find idiotic and purposeless?

As I mentioned in a previous reply, you could be away from your self-appointed position as captain come-back. If I am out actually doing things to advance my views and can't get back to your spew fast enough to fulfill your desire, you could always start a feud with someone else. Buy you might fill that time by doing something real. I can see you don't get it, that you don't understand. See we do know shit about you. You give yourself away when you post without thinking and without trying to understand other points of view. So I'm sorry if my real life frustrates your virtual one. You will just have to live with it.

Meanwhile, pop off a reply. It helps bump the OP for more readership since no one is watching you flame out anymore in this silly subthread. And the OP is one more should read. So, thanks.

[Number23]

262. Derp! SEVEN dumb assed paragaraphs of DERP saying absolutely nothing

Gunning for a fight. Over ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and with no weapons in the arsenal. Jake brought a spork to a knife fight and didn't even have the sense to know when to fucking walk away. I'm sure there was all sorts of interesting stuff in that SEVEN paragraphs of DERP but I will never know because I have not and will not read any more of your blind rage which seems to be born of some truly desperate boredom. Get a job. Buy a puppy. Find something better to do with your time.

My condolences to that poor hamster. He works so hard only so that you can chase after people with this kind of moronic stupidity because you have nothing going on in your life and you need to vent to strangers on the Internet who couldn't care less. Poor guy.

[Jakes Progress]

266. Poor baby. But he did learn him a new toy word to play with.

First. Thank you for keeping the OP bumped. It deserves to be read as often as possible.

Glad to see you have admitted that you have nothing to say about your post, my post, or the OP - that your ability to feel or think is gone.

What else would explain such a pointless piece of stupid. Your inane hypocrisy is on full display like a baboon's ass in mating season. You spend all your emotional bucket dumping on me for replying to you as just as you reply to me. Pot. Meet kettle. Only my point is to continue to bump the OP. Yours is petty pique.

Yes. Yes. I know. You were hoping that you could be the big old winner and that I was gone for so long that maybe I had admitted your incoherent rage was too much for me. Sorry. I just have a life to live. I can't be there to give you the instant feedback that you seem to need to validate your empty life.

Me. I got a job. I got a cat. I got real work at the homeless center and the food bank. You might try actually going outside and trying to do something other than play keyboard solitaire in the self-appointed role of reactionary Democrat. If you actually met some of the people who have to live with the conservative shit you seem to love, you might change your tune, and you might actually give a damn about people rather than parties and corporations.

Yes. Wishful thinking on my part.

[Number23]

263. "The OP and his squad knew exactly what you meant."

Last edited Sun Apr 20, 2014, 12:29 AM - Edit history (1)

That was the 10 word post that sent you off on this ludicrous tangent of unending foolishness ending up with SEVEN paragraphs of derpalicous banality. I am DYING laughing.

"The OP and his squad knew exactly what you meant."

Those were the "terrible, awful, HORRIBLE" insults that have you still responding to them SEVEN DAYS LATER. I mean if something that benign has your panties so twisted and destroyed, I would hate to see how you respond when engaging in a political discussion about something important. But the good news about all of this is that hopefully it's probably used up so much of your brain "activity" you haven't had time for more important discussions.

"The OP and his squad knew exactly what you meant." How I was I not tombstoned for such a horrible insult and smear!!

I am laughing in your face. And I am so done here.

Edit April 20, 2014, FIFTEEN DAYS AFTER I TYPED THIS POST

I see this person has responded yet again. I'm sure it's another 5-7 paragraphs of absolutely nothing but ranting, frothing and sounding like a psychopath.

But I am beginning to understand why the word "squad" appears to have set him off. Being captain of the Will Pitt cheerleading squad probably doesn't pay much hence the reason he's using a hamster for his ISP.

Zis boom Bah!! Will Pitt is like, the greatest EVAH!

Mind your head, Will!

[Jakes Progress]

267. Can't let go can you?

I must have really caught you out. Sorry for the weeks of angst and inner turmoil my calling you out has caused.

Maybe next time you will think for a minute before you vomit out your first attempt at what you much think of as humor.

Poor baby.

[morningfog]

201. Hey sleeper, please discuss issues, not DUers.

[Bobbie Jo]

239. You first

2012 registrant.

[morningfog]

241. Another rude, no substance poster....

another one for the ignore bin!

[Bobbie Jo]

242. Yes

and you're always showing up with loads of civility and substance.

Got it. No doubt you have it figured out since you hopped aboard in 2012?

[dilby]

48. It's like everything else in Politics, follow the money.

Someone is going to make a lot of money in this deal and it's not going to be you or me. We will probably get some of the interest on the deal in about 10 years, that seems to be the return on investment whenever we deal with crazies.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

56. In Washington the debate is which religious leaders to support....

Which ignores the fact that not EVERYONE in the Middle East is religious.

[theboss]

57. Is everything okay at home, champ?

Want to talk some shit out?

[WilliamPitt]

74. Well, let's see...

A pharmaceutical company hooked my wife up with her needed meds. Still haven't heard from Anthem, going on a week and a half after last contact upon the promise of a Wednesday call.

My cat had a heart attack on Monday due to a spazzed-out thyroid, but I got him his medicine within hours, which means my fucking cat gets better health care than my wife.

My daughter popped a 103 fever on Tuesday, but we tamped that down and she's fine.

Someone managed to compromise my bank account on Wednesday, and looted me of exactly $25 by purchasing phone apps, which means it's kids...but I got that squared away.

It's raining.

We're having chicken tonight.

And the president I voted for three times (primary, general, general) appears poised to deliver weapons to some of the craziest motherfuckers ever to inhabit the skin of the Earth.

Standard week.

Thanks, but no, I don't need to talk any shit out.

May you live in interesting times.

[Caretha]

183. Perfect response n/t

[BrotherIvan]

218. Worth a rec.

[Warren Stupidity]

59. "it seems that this one blogger at Truth Out, a 'Will Piit'..."

"... is the primary reason why Democrats are going to be slaughtered into oblivion this fall. It is astonishing, but the numbers do not lie." - Nate Silver 538.org

I couldn't believe it, but I read this right here on DU.



- for the clueless.

[Rex]

64. Wrong, WRONG! You distort the truth I see through your agenda!

The actual quote was, "...some guy over at Truth Out, I believe named Pill Witt is going to destroy the fabric of American society. Also he wrote Green Eggs and Ham and taught Ted Cruz how to read. Putin calls him on the phone, a lot. Darth Vader has him on speed dial." - Nate Silver.

[DeadLetterOffice]

172. Rex, you and Warren owe me a new keyboard... n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

210. snot funny

[WilliamPitt]

72. I took the Lindburgh baby.

He's really old now.

But he's mine.

All mine.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

61. "The best-laid schemes o' mice an' men / Gang aft agley" Robert Burns

The best-laid schemes o' mice an' men
Gang aft agley,
An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,
For promis'd joy!

[MADem]

63. What's this "we" nonesense? You got a squirrel in your pocket?

You just can't stop, can you?

Is this another "audition" essay?

I don't think quality publications like all that "fuck" and "shit" stuff--you might want to try expressing yourself like you're not in the "extra help" classes at the high school. I thought you fancied yourself a writer/editor--surely you can do better.

You post a link to a story that uses terms like this:

...a plan being discussed ...

The Obama administration was debating....

... no announcement planned...

Washington was also considering....

The plan, which was still being formalized...

But you've already decided that it's a done deal, not to your liking even though the specifics haven't been agreed on, and "fuck this shit o'clock."

[mountain grammy]

91. Ditto.. sometimes I think you're in my head, MADem.

[sheshe2]

165. I think he believes in quantity not quality, MADem. nt

[MADem]

192. Could be! nt

[CBGLuthier]

69. I have this mental image of Archie Bunker singing God Bless America into Mike's face as he spews the

truth. No one really cares. America is a junior grade sports league with only two teams and they both really suck. But when our team is in we go fuck yeah and forget they suck too.

[DeSwiss]

70. Are you back again!?!?!

You and your TRUTH. Damn you William Pitt!!! Do you know how uncomfortable you're making some people!?!?!?!

- K&R


''…we are led by the least among us – the least intelligent, the least noble, the least visionary. We are led by the least among us and we do not fight back against the dehumanizing values that are handed down as control icons…'' ~Terence McKenna

[stg81]

73. always here to stir the pot against POTUS. You'll like Pres. Paul better I'm sure.

you have a real personal hatred for POTUS and it's quite ugly.

[WilliamPitt]

77. You got me.

Friend, I've been here since May of 2001. You came down with the last drop of rain.

The president I voted for three times (primary, general, general) is poised to sell weapons to the craziest people on Earth.

Wrong is wrong.

But seriously, tho, that whole "You just hate the president" line is really effective. Keep it up. The bumpy top part of the Lego attaches to the bottom of the Lego, just FYI. Have fun storming the castle.

[truebrit71]

109. "The bumpy top part of the Lego attaches to the bottom of the Lego, just FYI"...

[sheshe2]

167. You are right on one thing.

Wrong is wrong.

You called this President a POS. That was wrong!

I have seen a few, very few responses from you as you do not participate in the stink bombs you throw at DU.

Yet one response stands out for me. When you disagree with the response you tell them to go to bed, that they need rest. You should follow your own advice.

[WilliamPitt]

171. Soon enough.

It's been a long week.

Thanks for kicking my thread.

[sheshe2]

174. You are welcome.

I want people to see what is posted here.Cause it stinks!

And do not dare to give me a hug!!!! You don't like me nor do I like you. A hug from you is a way of belittling me. That is not welcome.

[Maedhros]

253. What, exactly, "stinks" about this OP?

Opposing arms sales to unstable militant factions is not uncommon among the Left.

[sheshe2]

255. Maybe you should read all the responses, mine included.

And that hug was sexist and down right creepy!

[Maedhros]

258. There was nothing that insulted the President, which is what you implied.[n/t]

[sheshe2]

259. In one of my responses

I asked him when he was going to apologize to DU for calling the President a POS!!!!! I also asked him when he was going to thank all the people that gave him great positive advice in his quest for coverage for his wife. I got crickets as I am sure those that tried to help him did.

It's more than this thread and you know that!

Guess you have no problem with his lack of anger management and calling the President a POS!

[Maedhros]

264. I'm more concerned about the U.S. selling weapons to radicals.

I don't agree with how he expressed his frustration at the President, but of all the things to be outraged about name-calling is pretty far down my list.

[stg81]

75. did you know POTUS also eats live puppies?

[stg81]

80. in what way are your temper tantrums here making a POSITIVE difference in achieving your goals?

because your angry slaps at POTUS seem like self-serving, indulgent temper tantrums to disrupt this forum, not constructive commentary for the betterment of the Democratic party and this country.

[Capt. Obvious]

83. What are your posts and threads doing?

[Rex]

89. Obviously making the world a safer place!

Obviously.

[stg81]

90. I want the OP to answer me, not just Hit and Run as per his usual.

[fascisthunter]

100. He Did, Feel Better?

[WilliamPitt]

114. Twice.

"Chump don't want the help, chump don't get the help." - Airplane

[Capt. Obvious]

93. You're replying to yourself now

[DisgustipatedinCA]

133. Why are you asking questions? Questions are what Republicans ask!!1

[stg81]

92. the OP doesn't answer questions to him in his own thread? why not?

[WilliamPitt]

99. You're right.

Advocating against dumping more guns into the hands of people who have taken our guns and killed our people with the guns we gave them for the last 60 years is a total waste of time.

You Fail.

[WilliamPitt]

107. At this point?

My goal is to point out that it's a bad idea to give guns to crazy people who hate us.

Explain to me why you have a problem with that.

[stg81]

132. How lucky we are to have the OP to tell us the difference between right and wrong

how else would we ever know what stupid idiots we are without Will telling us every single day?

[WilliamPitt]

139. You're welcome.

Now tell me how awesome my beard is.

DO IT.

[KansDem]

85. From "Bowling for Columbine"

[ucrdem]

94. You're missing the forest for the trees and that's a RW trick from way back.

Obvious too.

[fascisthunter]

103. Yes, Will Pitt is a Right Winger

You figured him all out, like wow maaaaan.

[WilliamPitt]

104. Well, thanks for explaining that.

[GeorgeGist]

98. It's been OVER 2 hours, time for a drink ...

BENGHAZI!!!

[JDPriestly]

101. When will we stop selling our American soldiers as mercenaries for Saudi Arabia?

If Saudi Arabia wants to fight for the rebels in Syria, let them send some of their princes into the battle. Why should we buy their oil with the lives of our Special Forces soldiers?

Somewhere another American mother will be mourning her young son if this goes through.

[LuvNewcastle]

216. Good question. I think the answer is "money trumps peace."

I have a very good friend who is an Iraq War vet. His eyes are open now, and it's happening to vets all over the country. Our troops are learning that all this time, they haven't been fighting for their country; they've been fighting for the 1%. And they're very angry.

[MisterP]

106. heck, the Republicans actually dumped Reagan

when his groupies ran cocaine to fund rounding up a whole village and killing those involved in land reform or primary schools or health clinics or literacy work as "Red collaborators," plus a few random ones to show the village they had to join the Contras

only the most barking Bircher types (Singlaub) kept defending that farrago: they're all over Yahoo now saying Moscow *still* controls all the media and schools and churches in the US...

[joshcryer]

108. The audition is going quite well.

Bravo!

[WilliamPitt]

113. I've seen that line a few times today.

Exactly what am I auditioning for?

In the words of Hannibal Lecter, thrall me with your acumen.

[joshcryer]

115. The Intercept?

A show on RT?

More funding for Truth Out?

Hey I hope it works out for you.

[WilliamPitt]

119. Heh.

No.

No.

We're a non-profit, so donations are always welcome.

So do I.

Next?

[joshcryer]

127. I think you are doing a fine job.

Election season is the best time for it, too.

[Mnpaul]

202. I don't think he is doing a fine job fundraising

You would think that would, at the bare minimum, include a link to said site.

Keep it up, I find your silly attacks amusing. Will's responses even more so.

[joshcryer]

207. Why need do that?

They've had quite literally 600+ post threads three days in a row. If it is kept up I fail to see a better strategy. The real question is how long the outrage is kept held up. Much less anonymous posters have done so for weeks on end. I doubt Will can do so for so long.

[Mnpaul]

209. Why need do that?

Maybe they are sick of all f*cking bullshit coming from a Democratic administration and all lame ass excuses coming from their apologists. I even see one OP telling us that used car salesmen aren't really that bad.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

134. The brain trust here did some cogitatin' and found that you're working for Greenwald

One dimwit posited this, and others chimed in with 'yes, yes that sounds just right'. So it's been proven that you're working for the Chinese and the Russians alongside fast Eddie Snowden and that embassy rapist. They want you gone something awful. So each day that you come back, I'm filled with a sense of sheden....schadenfre...fuck it, I'm happy that they're miserable about it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

162. Ok, this is interesting

There is a brain trust?

That said, little sensible woodchucks want all of us gone. Though it is kind of novel not to be their object of desire for a change.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

164. maybe I was being just a little facetious with 'brain trust'

But yes, someone did posit that Will is auditioning for Greenwald's new employer, and others immediately agreed. I don't think much of those who repeatedly attempt character assassination and think nothing of lying their faces off. I know Republicans who are better people.

[nadinbrzezinski]

166. Partisans are just ugly

Independent of party

[DeadLetterOffice]

173. Wait, I'm confused...

I thought Greenwald was a hero?
I simply cannot keep track anymore of which people I'm supposed to like and which ones I'm supposed to hate.

Although I think I've finally gotten it through my thick head that disagreeing with any of Obama's policy positions makes me a homophobic Paul Rand worshipper, and that defending any of Obama's policy positions makes me a cheerleader with pompoms.

[LuvNewcastle]

217. They're determined to turn this site into a place where all Democrats,

even the ones who act like Republicans, are revered, and not a discouraging word is to be said about Obama. That's not going to happen because at least half the people here would abandon the site, and Skinner definitely wouldn't want that. They don't like any criticism of Obama. Will's post is just an excuse for them to act like Grand Inquisitors around here. It's funny and disgusting at the same time, kind of like dingleberries.

[nadinbrzezinski]

224. I was thinking more of these

[Union Scribe]

240. .

[Blue_Tires]

110. There's nothing to keep secret now that Turkey's playbook for Syria

has been revealed to the world...

[BlackAndBeyond]

111. +1

[jeff47]

112. And they're going to do it in 24 business hours!!!! (nt)

[louslobbs]

117. Kick. n/t

Lou

[Skittles]

118. "Iraq led to Speaker Pelosi and President Obama"

that was actually posted on DU yesterday, I kid you not

[WilliamPitt]

121. My brain just died.

[grasswire]

129. Will, you are almost as fabled as Snowden.

Auditioning!

24/7!

Drinker!

Ego-driven!

Hater!

Are there boxes in your garage? Do your neighbors like you? If you go to China, will you prefer Russia?

Personal attacks, personal attacks. I sure don't see much aside from that, against you.

[WilliamPitt]

135. Old saying:

When they're shooting at you, it means you're doing something right.

[randome]

147. It could also mean you deserve whatever metaphorical shots come your way.

It seems like a smidgen of self-reflection might lean one that way.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]If you don't give yourself the same benefit of a doubt you'd give anyone else, you're cheating someone.[/center][/font][hr]

[WilliamPitt]

157. It could.

But it doesn't.

[nadinbrzezinski]

163. Hmmm. Maybe it is time to change my perspective

But you are developing a fan club too. Trust me, they are not cute and cuddly. Some can get down right fixated.

[City Lights]

128. Ugh, really?

Not that I doubt you. Sometimes I just can't wrap my head around what gets posted here. Unfuckingbelievable!

[Rex]

136. Really hard to have a discussion with people like that.

Their world is so simplistic, that even black and white are too controversial.

[snappyturtle]

125. Exactly. K&R nt

[JTFrog]

130. Jury results 3-3.

Close one.

I wonder if folks are starting to get tired of this shit the closer we get to midterms.

You have noticed the right wingers having a field day with your Obama bashing lately? At least you are getting attention.

[Hoyt]

131. +1

[WilliamPitt]

137. "You have noticed the right wingers having a field day with your Obama bashing lately?"

Just to be clear, and let me add enough volume to make sure they hear it in the cheap seats:

THE SHIT I GIVE ABOUT WHAT RIGHT-WING WEBSITES HAVE TO SAY IS SO SMALL, IT CANNOT BE PROVEN TO EXIST BY ANY MEANS KNOWN TO SCIENCE. THE SHIT I GIVE ABOUT WHAT RIGHT-WING WEBSITES HAVE TO SAY IS SO SMALL THAT IT EXISTS ONLY IN THEORY, LIKE A SUPERSTRING. THIS ---> . <--- IS THE SIZE OF SATURN x 10 COMPARED TO THE SHIT I GIVE ABOUT WHAT RIGHT-WING WEBSITES HAVE TO SAY.

My job - and yours, incidentally - is to hold elected officials accountable for their actions.

That's democracy. Deploy your coping mechanisms.

[Rex]

138. If you don't care, the GOP will win in 2014!

Read it right here on DU.

[JTFrog]

142. You obviously don't give two shits what folks have been saying here either.

And it's pretty rude to shout at people on a forum in all caps and bold. Not that anyone expects anything else from you anymore.

[Skittles]

143. it's called FRUSTRATION

when some people seem to care more about WHAT RIGHT WING ASSHOLES THINK than about WHAT DIRECTION AMERICA IS HEADING

[nadinbrzezinski]

160. + brazillion

The Pom Poms are really old

[Rex]

188. IKR!?

Like when did we start caring what RWing assholes think! Bad enough they infest this place. FUCK EM! They do everything in their power to destroy the planet.

[sheshe2]

169. Why the hell are you yelling at us!

Take some control of yourself, for gawd sake!

[WilliamPitt]

170. Ermahgerd, capiral letters!!!

Whatever are we to do?

[sheshe2]

175. Well that reply made a hell of a lot of sense.

Sounds like your last OP.

BTW, have you heard of common courtesy and some respect for others? You come here and throw your flash bombs, then leave to read the havoc you create. Bet you are getting a chuckle. Sounds like what Bush did with his flash and awe. Bet he, Cheney and Rummy were yucking it up too. Oh sure, I have read at DU your are some famous author on the war. Sadly, you have lost most of that...

"Ermahgerd, capiral letters!!!"

[WilliamPitt]

179. "Sounds like what Bush did with his flash and awe."

That sentence right there caused my brain to slither out of my ear, crawl into the bathtub, swallow 40 Ambiens, and read Sylvia Plath out loud in a monotone voice while weeping uncontrollably as it waited for the inevitable.

SHOCK and awe, genius. SHOCK and awe. If you're going to scold someone, summon the wherewithal to AT LEAST get the catch-phrases right.

Jesus. Even the shitty commentary around here used to be better than this.

[sheshe2]

185. So sorry your brain slithered out you ear.

My bad... Shock and Awe. Oops. And you are yelling again. At least I am able to stand up and say I made a mistake. Have you???? Have you apologized to DU for a rant calling the President of The United States a POS? Nope.

As for the rest I posted? Any comment on tossing bombs and running away. A lot of DU'ers gave you good advise and wished you and your wife well, have you thanked each and everyone yet!? They helped you find the meds your wife needed. Nope, from you it is an angry double down. Or we are at a triple down or trickle down at this point?

For you it seems to be a MeMe rant. It's all about you and to hell with the rest of us. That is indeed sad. Will it become your legacy?!

Oh wow...

"Even the shitty commentary around here used to be better than this."

Well yeah, that is correct. You called The President a Piece Of Shit! You own the shitty commentary on this board!

[JTFrog]

230. "Even the shitty commentary around here used to be better than this."

It's been pointed out that he's been lowering the bar, but he doesn't give two shits.

[Capt. Obvious]

158. At least it wasn't 0-6

You can still alert.

[quinnox]

177. That was a bogus alert. This thread should never have been alerted, and it shouldn't have been that

close. There is nothing wrong with this thread, not a thing.

[Catherina]

140. A NATO country (Turkey) just caught planning a false flag attack to go to war against Syria

I hate to do this to you Will but this is important.

A NATO member country (Turkey) was just caught planning a false flag war, by instigating a fake "Syrian" attack on technically Turkish soil which would give Turkey, then NATO a *legal* pretext to jump in the war against Syria. The Western press, which is owned by the same corporations that buy our government every election cycle, is minimizing this to "Turkey bans YouTube". There's a thread in LBN about this "Turkey blocks access to YouTube after leaked recordings of key security meeting"

Look at this deceitful, minimized reporting from CNN:

(CNN) -- The Turkish government banned YouTube on Thursday, less than a week after Ankara made a similar blackout of the social networking site Twitter, which is estimated to have more than 10 million Turkish users.

Neither website can be reached on Turkish Internet networks.

The crackdown comes just days before Turks are expected to go to the polls in nationwide municipal elections.

The Turkish government said its YouTube block came as a response to the leak of a conversation between top government officials purportedly discussing the possibility of going to war with neighboring Syria.

...

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/27/world/europe/turkey-youtube-blocked/

Reuters seems to be the only Western outlet out there with any decency.

"They even leaked a national security meeting," Erdogan said at a campaign rally. "This is villainous, this is dishonesty ... Who are you serving by doing audio surveillance of such an important meeting?"

...

"NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE"

Turkey threatened two weeks ago to retaliate for any attack on the tomb following clashes between militants of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), an al Qaeda breakaway group, and rival rebel groups in the area, east of Aleppo near the Turkish border.

"An operation against ISIL has international legitimacy. We will define it as al Qaeda. There are no issues on the al Qaeda framework. When it comes to the Suleyman Shah tomb, it's about the protection of national soil," a voice presented as that of foreign ministry undersecretary Feridun Sinirlioglu says.

When the discussion turns to the need to justify such an operation, the voice purportedly of Fidan says: "Now look, my commander, if there is to be justification, the justification is, I send four men to the other side. I get them to fire eight missiles into empty land. That's not a problem. Justification can be created."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/27/us-syria-crisis-turkey-idUSBREA2Q17420140327

A few more details. It's all over the net.

Hakan Fidan: “I’ll send 4 men from Syria, if that’s what it takes. I’ll make up a cause of war by ordering a missile attack on Turkey; we can also prepare an attack on Suleiman Shah Tomb if necessary.”

Feridun Sinirlioğlu: “Our national security has become a common, cheap domestic policy outfit.”

Yaşar Güler: “It’s a direct cause of war. I mean, what we’re going to do is a direct cause of war.”

...

Feridun Sinirlioğlu: But if we decide on an operation in there, it should create a shocking effect. I mean, if we are going to do so. I don’t know what we’re going to do, but regardless of what we decide, I don’t think it’d be appropriate to notify anyone beforehand.

...

Feridun Sinirlioğlu: That’s what I told back there. For one thing, the situation is different. An operation on ISIL has solid ground on international law. We’re going to portray this is Al-Qaeda, there’s no distress there if it’s a matter regarding Al-Qaeda. And if it comes to defending Suleiman Shah Tomb, that’s a matter of protecting our land.

Yaşar Güler: We don’t have any problems with that.

Hakan Fidan: Second after it happens, it’ll cause a great internal commotion (several bombing events is bound to happen within). The border is not under control…

Feridun Sinirlioğlu: I mean, yes, the bombings are of course going to happen. But I remember our talk from 3 years ago…

Yaşar Güler: Mr. Fidan should urgently receive back-up and we need to help him supply guns and ammo to rebels.

http://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/21ib4d/leaked_recording_of_turkish_officials_discussing/

The tomb of Suleyman Shah is sovereign territory of Turkey under a treaty signed with France in 1921 while Syria was still under colonial rule. Turkey maintains a force of two dozen special forces soldiers at the tomb to permanently guard it. ISIL and other rebels groups fighting Assad have clashed near the tomb.



...

Turkey has blocked access to YouTube in an attempt to stop the video from being disseminated. This block follows a week after the Turkish government blocked Twitter in a similar desperate bid to limit the reach of other damaging leaked recordings.

...

When asked about justification for an incursion into Syria, intelligence chief Hakan Fidan allegedly responded: "Justification can be created. The matter is to create the will."

...

http://www.businessinsider.com/erdogan-leak-about-syria-2014-3

[BelgianMadCow]

155. OP-worthy imho

I hadn't zoomed in on that fact, indeed the youtube block has been the angle.

[KoKo]

214. Recommend!Turkey Blocked You Tube Because of this/Effect on Turkish Elections

They didn't want their people to know they were starting a False Flag...

I read your post last night and saw late coverage on RT...

This is serious. I hope that the phone conversation has exposed the plot so that Turkey backs off from making the situation over there worse.

I wonder who is intercepting these phone messages. Someone who seems to be trying to stop the Neocons... Or perhaps some other motive.

Recommend & thanks for all the links, Catherina.

[kardonb]

145. see now

this post seems just an excuse for you ( illiterate ) to use foul language .

[Sheepshank]

148. I know you're itching to say *it*

go ahead....

[MannyGoldstein]

149. Ya gotta understand... Fox News is saying Obama's a wimp...

Can't let that happen.

[dreamnightwind]

150. K & R for the truth

So tired of all of the "go team" stuff around here, makes me sick. This OP is about what really matters.

We need to take a much closer look at the Saudis and their influence on U.S. policy, overt and covert. Doesn't seem to matter much, in this regard, which team occupies the White House. Obama has done well to keep us out of large-scale conflict (well after the Afghanistan surge anyway), but behind the scenes it appears to be "business as usual".

After Assad falls and the CIA-trained rebels reveal themselves to be terrorists and enemies of the U.S. (surprise, surprise), we'll have a great excuse to intervene more directly in Syria, just fighting terrorism and preserving world peace, of course. Seen this movie a few times before.

[ozone_man]

168. This war belongs to Obama

along with the 100,000 dead. We may not have boots on the ground, but we have given funding and consent to Saudia Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey to fund and provide weapons to the religious zealots that are causing this destruction.

Back in 2003, it was apparent that Syria would follow after Iraq, that was part of the PNAC plan. It was all laid out. Obama is following suit just as the neo-cons had planned. It took a while to get there, as there was Libya and Egypt along the way.

Syria is, as was Iraq, a secular country, and we seem dead set to make it another religious back water, where women have no rights, and education discouraged. How does Obama defend that? I'm pretty sure we will not hear that discussion, and probably not on NPR. Listening today on NPR about Syria was pretty awful, no balance what so ever.

[Benton D Struckcheon]

176. Context.

If I have to explain that, you won't get it anyway.
I wonder, sometimes. Often, actually.

[gulliver]

178. I'll file this with your Jason Leopold scoop.

And your political writing career.

115 unrecs on this OP so far. The barf thread is doing better.

[eShirl]

181. oh good

now I can set my watch

[ProSense]

189. Obama seeks to assure Saudis

Obama seeks to assure Saudis

By Lesley Clark

<...>

The administration has opposed sending the shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles, known as manpads, fearing such weapons could fall into the hands of extremists and be used against commercial airliners. A White House official told reporters aboard Air Force One that there’s been no change in the U.S. position.

“We have made clear that there are certain types of weapons, including manpads, that could pose a proliferation risk if introduced into Syria,” said Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes. “We continue to have those concerns.”

Rhodes said the U.S. has been “willing to look at ways of increasing the ability for the United States and other countries to provide support to the opposition,” but he said much of that involves better coordination of assistance.

“What you’d find is that we are in a better place today certainly than we were several months ago because we’ve improved our coordination with the Saudis and other countries,” he said of aid to the rebels.

- more -

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/03/28/222813/obama-seeks-to-assure-saudis.html

Obama says U.S. military strikes could not have stopped Syria misery
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024745512

[sabrina 1]

195. What opposition? Most of the 'opposition' in Syria are Saudi Backed terrorists.

Even the UK realized that finally.

What business is it of ours and where is all this money coming from? For Ukraine, for Syria, for Somalia, not to mention the bribes we pay to Dictators like Karamov in Uzbekistan and the vile homophobic government in Uganda, to name a few.

I thought we didn't even have enough money to provide school lunches for our own chidren.

And who will benefit from all these billions of tax dollars being 'invested' in all these places?

Who benefited from the billions invested in Iraq and Afghanistan? Certainly not the American people and definitely not the populations of any of these places.

Speaking of racism btw, there is nothing more racist than US/Western Foreign Policy. As has been pointed out continually throughout the past 15 years or so.

War is profitable though, for a small minority of war profiteers. Until the profit is removed from it, there will be no end to our 'interventions'.

Funny, I remember Obama during the first campaign responding to a question regarding whether or not the US should intervene in other countries to try to help. He responded that he was against interventions like that, we should not be the policemen of the world'.

Guess he changed his mind.

[ProSense]

203. Yeah, yeah.

All the foreign policy experts who have been wrong about every damn thing, hanging on conspiracy theories and speculation.

The piece states nothing has changed, but hey, who cares?

[sabrina 1]

226. The British Parliament hangs on CTs? Well, I suppose they did in the run up to the Iraq War but

they appear to have learned a little since then.

[flvegan]

190. You "fucking raging homophobe"

I read it on DU here tonight. If you have issue with anything in regards to Obama, that's what you are.

Thus spoke someone here. Or something.

[KauaiK]

191. Geez Will you forgot a few

Last edited Sat Mar 29, 2014, 01:12 PM - Edit history (1)

The US supported
- Batista in Cuba and got Castro
- Pinochet in Chile - actually CIA orchestrated the ouster and murder of Allende
- Marcos in the Philippines
- Saddam Hussein until we didn't. Look how well that worked out.
- The apartheid in South Africa
- Israel over the Palestinians
- The Saudi's even thought they bankrolled the crater in NY (can you say oil?)

I've lived every single one of these including those listed by Will.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I can't believe I originally forgot the overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy. WHY was the monarchy overthrown? Because the 3rd generation missionaries didn't want to pay the tariff on sugar and if Hawaii was a "territory" they would be exempt. Oh surprise - the overthrow is for robber barons,

[obxhead]

196. Meet the new boss.....

Only it's worse because this one is intelligent.

[Logical]

212. And knows better! n-t

[Progressive dog]

211. Radical Islamists are

not going to go away if we ignore them, either.
Just a little of the history of the Libyan revolution that seems to be ignored.

After a number of atrocities were committed by the government,[5][6] with the threat of further bloodshed,[7] a multinational coalition led by NATO forces intervened on 21 March 2011 with the aim to protect civilians against attacks by the government's forces.[8] At the same time, the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant against Gaddafi and his entourage on 27 June 2011.

You can find the whole article in wikipedia.
If you go back far enough, we set the example for the French. That gave them the reign of terror and Napoleon. There's probably a way to blame WW1 and WW2 on us, if we're creative enough.

[TheKentuckian]

219. I think creating more then training and arming them is even less effective in reducing potential for

harm than ignoring them.

Sometimes an ineffective nothing is the best you can do. We have contributed mightily to the problem and continue to do just that and the "have to do something" crowd has done no better than to dig a deeper hole and pull us all into it with the security state growth and staggering bills due.

I strongly support doing nothing until a better something comes along, the last 75 years of experiments have been more dangerous a cure than the disease, the efforts of the past decade plus have been dangerously insane.

So, yeah. If all you can DO is make matter worse then sit down somewhere and enjoy a steaming hot cup of shut the fuck up before you step on your own dick and invite a parade to do the same for the uptenth time.

At some point our elections just become threadbare excuses to do the same wrongheaded and dangerous shit because we can point to a fresh face and declare that "this time it will be different".

[Progressive dog]

220. Doing nothing does not work well in any arena, ever,

including foreign policy. Swearing about it won't change that fact.
I'm also really impressed with your defense of our democracy and elections.

[TheKentuckian]

235. Well? Probably not. Better than royally screwing the pooch? By leaps and bounds.

The wrong thing is actually seldom better than nothing. First do no harm.

[Progressive dog]

244. So how far would you carry this "do no harm"?

Just curious as to how you avoid this doing harm stuff.

[Nye Bevan]

225. ..... we helped defeat Hitler and Mussolini and got 60+ years of peace in Western Europe....

so it's not always bad.

[closeupready]

227. mememememememememe

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[Nye Bevan]

231. At first I read that as "meme meme meme meme"

but now I see what you meant.

[closeupready]

234. lol, I see that now -

I guess my point is, for every Sarah Palin they have, we have our own drama coaches.

[Bobbie Jo]

243. !

[seveneyes]

250. theytheytheNthtimeisacharm

Supporting the heart eating rebels is a veryveryvery bad choice. The disgust is understandable.

[Maedhros]

254. Wow. A lot of people on DU apparently love them some arm sales to rabid, unstable militants.

I'm legitimately surprised that even nominal Democrats would vehemently attack someone for criticizing the providence of weapons to foreign militants.

Way back in the mists of time, during a horrible epoch known as "The 80s", a popular President sold weapons to various "freedom fighting" factions in Central America. The Democrats of the time, also called "liberals" by some, actually hit the streets to march in opposition to the popular President's actions.

Apparently, what are now called "Democrats" appear to actually agree with the actions of that popular President in the 80's.

Strange days indeed.

[Jakes Progress]

265. That's true. But most of them don't know what the OP is about.

They just simple-mindedly dump on anything the OP says. Hey. It's easier than actually thinking about things.